Are men or women worse when it comes to giving advice and/or criticizing the other gender out of ignorance when it comes to dating?

[Anonymous]

Both genders are guilty of this. However we are (supposed) to get better at judging and/or giving advice as we get older and more experienced.

But I’ve had grown ass woman say some ridiculous things to me in the past. I feel like many of them take a common mental shortcut falsely believing that dating is same more men as it is for themselves (when all else equal). It’s not. Not at all. Not even close.

That’s not say I don’t know women have to deal with some common pitfalls. Many men will lie to women and tell want them just what they want to hear to get their foot in the door. They figure that once a woman catches feelings for them they will get a “pass” on their bs. Sadly this sometimes works if the guy is good at it. But not always. Also it never works out in the long run for guys. Plus it makes women more bitter and resentful to men in general after the process.

But anyway I feel most women who criticize men don’t put the mental effort into understanding the challenges most men face in the early steps of dating.

Most don’t understand how we are expected to take risks and stick our necks out. How we get shit tested. How we usually have to plan dates and usually spend money. How the odds are usually stacked against us. How we are supposed to keep calm and brush off (sometimes nasty) rejection and just move on quickly forgetting about it. How women falsely assume that men run into just as many opportunities as they do. Etc.

Women judge more out ignorance

Men judge more out ignorance

[zeitgeist057]

My impression, to make broad generalizations, is that women are bad at giving advice because they try to tell men what they want, but if they are actually given what they say they want, they are not happy. Some of the best advice I've heard is to not pay attention to what women say they want, but to pay attention to what they respond to, which are two different things.

My impression of men on the other hand, is that there is a lot of sort of whiny "advice" to women out there to lower their standards, "be realistic", &c. Which to me comes off as a bunch of desperate, unsuccessful, guys trying to place the blame for their failures on women, rather than owning their own life and figuring out what they need to change about themselves.

[Kaamraj]

Men and women are not the same and dating is not the same for them either. Women have it exponentially easier in dating as they have abundance mindset. Therefore, they do not need to understand and empathize with men. So why would you take advice generally from someone who doesn't have the same burden of performance as you, nor faces the same challenges as yourself.

[ManOnFire]

Interesting question. Honestly not sure who is worse, but what I will say is this: when you're a guy asking a woman for dating advice, or at least putting yourself out there as in need of help, you put yourself in a position of weakness which makes women feel empowered and like they are in a place of authority to try to teach you something.

What comes with this is women treating you as if you're utterly clueless and inexperienced and need all the help you can get, so they will try to overwhelm and fill your head with all kinds of things that they individually would want in a man/want a man to do. They will also use your need for advice as an opportunity to try to tell you how you're messing up with just about everything you do or is the reason why women are not liking you. They are not actually trying to help or even empathize with your need for help, they are just using it as a sounding board for all their own ideas to be heard, and using you as a target for their need for cruelty towards men.

[kylee2437]

What is up with people on this app constantly comparing genders?

[Asker]

GAG was actually built for that. Doesn’t mean that the stereotyped are always accurate or fair. I’ve been falsely stereotyped before. It’s frustrating. But I get how women get negative impressions with dealing with other guys.

[kylee2437]

No gag wasn’t built for that because logically that doesn’t make sense

[Asker]

It does make sense. Because it will always be impossible to fully understand what life is like for the opposite gender. We can only improve our understanding.

[_SillyShoes_]

I don't think we can ever fully appreciate or understand the other person's perspective until we're them - and that's never going to happen.

But we can, at least, try to be better and do better. For this reason COMMUNICATION is key. And the issue with humanity is - a lot of people feel way too vulnerable while sharing and therefore would rather just 'forget about it' and blame the other side instead of actually communicating and trying to figure it out together.

But I do agree - we both judge each other very unfairly and very fast - instead of holding back and trusting for a change.

[Nawlins34]

Well said!

[Asker]

@_sillyshoes_ good feedback. But I am going to make a generalization (because I know not all women are like this but too many are)

As men we continually run into women can’t say what they really want. Maybe that’s a problem because that wish they have is self destructive and they know it. Either they are unaware (and can’t control) who the subconscious “Id” wants but they might consciously try to convince themselves otherwise.

Also to a more limited extent guys can be like this. But we have less power to be reckless in relationships. Main reason is again dating really is tougher for men in the early stages when all else equal. I don’t say that to be a whiner but men almost universally agree on that and some women will admit it as well.

[Anonymous]

In my limited experience women tend to give the worst advice. There is tons of material out there for guys to understand women, some of it is garbage, some of it is exploitive, but a lot of it’s fairly useful. Men and women both crest it. One of my favorite YouTuber’s is Courtney Ryan who helps guys in the dating market. I don’t see anywhere near the same quality level for women to understand men and most of the time, even on here the advice from women to women is more often than not, absolutely terrible.

[Asker]

The thing is most women really do not have to have to understand men unless they try to “date up”. But if they try to date their equivalent they generally have a huge advantage over men and often don’t realize it (nor care to realize it)

[Anonymous]

Men are worse when it comes to giving out dating advice.

you always hear “dont take advice from women about women.” I dont understand how that makes sense unless the woman is crazy. Men also say “sleep/date around with a lot of women to get higher value, women love that.” Yet when you ask women about this, many will say high bodycounts are also a turnoff for them on men.

redpill and PUA is what has started this shit. That women are fishes and you ask the fisherman about how to catch them. Terrible comparison.

[Anonymous]

I'd would say it's a matter of the type of person, not gender.

Yes I think women complain more. But I think many women today think they can get away with it because hey, they're a woman and he's still going to put up with it to f*** her. But it's mentality like that that's why she generally can't find a quality man. Good women keep it classy. She may be mad, she may be hurt, but she doesn't let it outwardly dim her luster. Classy women rise above this.

Guys conversely know no woman good or bad wants to hear him whine about his problems. Yes dating is hard, but she wants to know if there's a future between you and her you're not going to whine about everything under the sun. Even GOOD women want to know you're going to be able to handle her crazy moments (because even good women have them from time to time).

[nastyb]

just take a look around at this website. its filled with bitter angry men criticizing women non stop. i think men is the worse gender. its men who start wars. its men who commit vast majority of crimes. its men who abandon their kids for single moms to raise. its men who run corruption in government leadership. Take a look at GAG, its also men talking shit about women non stop.

I'm just waiting for all the mysognists to comment on this post to lie that no men hate on women on here

[Asker]

Okay a few bullet points here:

- Yes their a lot of bitter angry men on GAG and yes I can see how you could label me that. However do you see men doing this in person, on social media and in public all the time to extent women especially feminists do? Are we marching in parades all the time and having men’s rights rallies to extent feminist do?

No. We don’t do anything of that. We are told “tough luck” and suck it up. We get labeled and stereotyped just like you labeled above for sins of other men above.

Do you think this is no impact? Just because we aren’t showing it publicly (because we are not allowed to) don’t think it harmless. You see lots of men complaining on here because of the anonymity. But don’t think it’s just a isolated group of “incels” who think this way so you can conveniently dismiss it. It’s a lot more men than you think. Especially in modern society.

[Annie_LevelUP_ADC]

I can't say. I saw a girl here ask how to avoid men because they are all selfish. Then a guy posting why men should care about women issues. It's all such a headache, how blinded people are by their hatred for the other gender. I hope it's even and that it's the minority.

[Lokiion]

Stupid question gender doesn’t matter when it comes to advice it’s knowledge and experience if it comes to dating however don’t ask a women ask a man if you really need advice for that (obviously there is certain things you should ask a man instead of a women or vice-versa)

[inhua]

men's advice (for the most part with the exception of simps and pickup artists) is very direct and on point depending on how politically incorrect the advice is

women's advice is what sounds great paper but doesn't work on practice

[Randomnamek]

I believe more men understand what women want then women understanding what men want on a theoretical, classroom based setting.

Outside the class, women know exactly what men want and a lot of them are able to control the man with one simple thing, _ _ _

[Randomnamek]

Here's the other thing.. men try to logically exain why women shouldn't be doing this, and should be doing that, but their opinion is based on what women as a whole should do which doesn't consider the individual women acting on what she believes is in her best interest. That single woman and every other woman consider their self interestest above the interests of all women, rightfully so. *Note -This assumes the guys opinions are correct

[Asker]

It all comes down to power. A woman will always have an advantage over a her male equivalent when it comes to romance. She doesn’t care to understand because she’s get away with not needing to.

[kakaling]

It's the expectations that is the fault of all problems.

Your expectations of a parent.

Your expectations of a boss.

Your expectations of an elder siblings.

Your expectations of a partner.

Your expectations of a friend.

Etc... etc...

[Nikki1989]

Men will always say women because men can't handle the truth. Whatever doesn't fit in with their way of thinking they instantly reject and that is one reason why some men will always struggle with dating.

[smashleyy]

when it comes to dating women are worse

[Asker]

thanks for acknowledging that.

[smashleyy]

Want to clarify my response was specifically for the question. Not the pity party for men in the description.

[Asker]

There are a lot of “pity party” questions and takes on GAG. This wasn’t meant to be one. But it’s from my observations and experiences. I thanked you for acknowledging this but didn’t ask for more feedback or info.

[Subflics]

Men usually judge for a better reason in my experience. Women have impulsive thoughts IN MY EXPERIENCE

[MountAverage]

I don't see how gender plays a significant role in that.

[Imsmurter1]

I think both are so bad it's not even helpful to compare. Like just avoid both.

[Kingofkings1992]

Giving advice? Men. Criticizing? Women of course.

[msc545]

Women are rally bad about this