2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Women's primary fertility window is 18 to 28. Pregnancies after 35 are considered geriatric pregnancies (that is the medical term for them, because the likelihood of complications increases significantly, especially if it is the first pregnancy).
Not only is this nothing new, it's been the way of the world since the beginning of human existence. It used to be that women were taught these facts by their mothers and grandmothers as critical information. And women who were unmarried by 30 were considered to be "spinster", what Asians call "leftover women", meaning women who were unable (or, perhaps unwilling) to attract a husband during her fertility window, which is also, unsurprisingly, a woman's primary marriage window.
What changed? FEMINISM. Specifically second-wave Feminism, as led by Gloria Steinem and the Friedan sisters. These women were vehemently anti-marriage and anti-family, instead pushing women to choose college (where they could be more deeply indoctrinated) and careers and to pursue casual sex rather than committed relationships. Note that they were funded significantly by a few wealthy, Marxist billionaires who new that women entering the workforce would collapse the cost of labor, due simply to nearly doubling the supply.
So, today, women are not taught to use their marriage opportunity window when they have it, but instead told that they MUST go to college (which puts most into debt) and a career. But while men who go to college and have careers are seen as more desirable by women, the opposite is NOT true. A woman's education and career are, at best, irrelevant to men, or are sometimes a negative.
Largely, the men who want to marry are those who want children, which means they will be seeking women early in their fertility window, just as men have ALWAYS done, become biology has not changed.
It is Feminism that has betrayed women by teaching them that they can put off marriage until their mid-30s, which is when most women finally start taking relationships seriously, but by then, the vast majority of men aren't going to want her. That's harsh, but it's the truth, and it's not the fault of men. Men get told to shut up and get called misogynists anytime they bring this up, so now, men are just letting women fail on their own. It's not what we wanted, but it's all we've been left with.511 Reply- 23 d
Likewise, & agreed on all points.
But, even when I was 25-28, men ignored me for much younger women, despite being 5–10–15–20++++ years older, gray hared, kids they may never see or strugfle to care for, run through with relationships, average incomes (30-60k), broken down, & lonely. They wouldn't settle for a woman in late 20s who could have adored them & served them lovingly & loyally, but they will chase experienced girls who are barely legal, & been in possibly as many or more relationships as them. This is not explained by what you said, which is what I already knew.
The only men who have pursued me were already married with kids or grand kids my age, the players-for-life, or relatives. I am invisible to all other men entirely, & always have been since I was an early teen. And there are many other like me. I was isolated from 14-24, but these women were often not. Yet, despite numerous different stories, were are all single virgins who no man ever gave a chance to. I have met men who have met women like this & didn't understand the phenomenon. - 23 d
Obviously socializtion plays a part. And even as an early 20-something, you still have to make an effort. This comes naturally to some and is very difficult for others, but I bet if I asked the guys who were around you during those years, they would say that you didn't show any interest or that you put out a vibe that you weren't interested, even if you were. You may still be doing that now. I don't say that to be mean but rather to look at and perhaps change to improve your outcomes..
If you have a friend who seems effortless with relationship stuff, have them observe you around a group of people and give you an honest critique. It might be painful to hear some of what they say, but you can work to make changes that will really change how men perceive you. - 22 d
@AnnyMouso
just because they want someone 18-24, it does not mean girls this age want them back. Just the same way old fat women still want hot tall handsome men
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That's true.
The issue is that more and more men would rather be alone than with a woman who doesn't have the qualities he's looking for.
That is causing the birth rate to collapse, and THAT is going to lead to a major reduction in the quality of life for everyone, even the wealthy. It's also going to cause a MAJOR backlash against career-oriented women.
IBM just fired its entire HR workforce - 8000 workers - which they are replacing with Ai. Do you know the sex of the vast majority of those HR workers?
Most of the career jobs that women do - office jobs - are going to be eliminated, globally. But there is going to be a shortage of skilled and dangerous labor jobs: the kind of jobs that women can't and won't do. This is going to end the whole "strong and independent" era for women, because most women won't be able to get a career job, and even most retail jobs are going away. Nursing and child care will be women's primary career fields. Sure, there will be token exceptions, but we're going to see a HUGE pendulum swing towards motherhood and away from career women, and it's already started.
Most men understand the harsh reality of life and know they have to plan for their future. Most women don't - most women far out-consume men and have far more debt and far less savings and investments. The reality of life alone after 50 working a crappy job and not being able to retire is going to hit millions of women very hard, and men won't be coming to save them. - 21 d
@MrOracle
just the same way an old man like you is always obsessed over young girls 18-24. But you're dating a woman who is near 40.
Thats why I say, its pointless about who you are attracted to. If the girls you're attracted to , aren't attracted to you.
young hot women are dating young hot men. Not some old saggy senior - 21 d
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@MrOracle
Studies actually show that on average women are only attracted to slightly older men. Statistics show that the average age gap between married couples is 2.2 years
There is actually no data that proves women are attracted to significantly older men.
I can show you the research studies if you dont believe me - 20 d
@MrOracle
Women, on the other hand, message and respond most often to men about their own age. Once they reach 35, women actually respond more often to younger guys. But because men are usually the conversation starters, the older-man-younger-woman paradigm prevails.
theblog. okcupid. com/undressed-whats-the-deal-with-the-age-gap-in-relationships-3143a2ca5178
Dataclysm, a book by Christian Rudder based on data from the dating site OkCupid, found that young women tend to find men their own age or slightly older most desirable, e. g. 20-year-old women found 23-year-old men most attractive and 30-year-old women found 30-year-old men most attractive.[49] In contrast, men displayed a consistent preference for women in their early 20s, e. g. 50-year-old men found 22-year-old women most attractive.[49]
www.wikiwand.com/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships
On average, husbands and wives were 2.2 years apart in age in 2022, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U. S. Census Bureau data.
https://www. pewresearch. org/short-reads/2024/08/15/a-growing-share-of-us-husbands-and-wives-are-roughly-the-same-age/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20husbands%20and%20wives, and%204.9%20years%20in%201880.
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So why aren’t you pursuing younger men? Look here is the thing many men who wanted serious relationships (and women too) have gotten married by now so they’re off the market. As where the men who just want to fuck around, have kids out of wedlock, etc… Are still chasing the same old excitements to fill a now empty void inside themselves. They feel young again…. They’re hot. It’s exciting. Many older women are either married or not looking for that who are single.
So you’re right those men cheating on their wives (which you’re just as bad if you knowingly slept with them) and men who are single for the reason of they want to sleep around. Yeah…. That’s whose leftover. As well as women who have lived the same lifestyle as you’re leading me to believe by what you said.
Are there exceptions to this rule? Absolutely many. Sometimes they find one another or maybe they marry someone who divorced for reasons out of their control maybe they were a good husband but got cheated on or his wife left for some reason. Maybe widowed even. They may also find a younger man who hasn’t married yet.
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- Anonymous(30-35)22 d
looking at these comments, any man that has an opinion on fertility age, shut your mouth. we are in the year 2025. 35 is no longer considered a "geriatric pregnancy" and many women can naturally conceive at 40. if you don't have a vagina or know anything about how cycles and ovulation works, you don't need to say crap as you have no idea what you're even talking about.
anyways. the reason why older men go after younger women is because they only think women are good for sex. that's it. something pretty to hang on to their arm. they are in their midlife crisis. no other women their age will even look at them because they know they are creeps. they are likely even divorced. they're gross. they think as long as they have money, they're in. i don't know how any 20 year old looks at older men and thinks yeah your wrinkly body is hot... please...
it is harder to meet someone in your 30's, but it is definitely possible. especially these days, i feel like more and more people are single after the pandemic happened. you say you're christian, do you go to church and try to mingle? or ask friends of friends if they know anybody that's single? you really just need to weed out all of the weirdos. only mature men go after women their age. sadly, most men aren't mature.
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I don't think it's men's problem... if something repeatedly happens to you, I would say you are the common denominator...
statistically, as there are different men, you should find someone interested in you
until there is something in you that prevents it...
look at your behaviors, insecurities, way you look and at others and speak to others... retrospection is a great tool or self improving85 Reply- 21 d
@chris_987 I don't think it's about her looks...
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@chris_987 I know people... if someone is full insecurities you can feel it... you can see it in the way they move or talk...
and even the most beautiful body or face won't counter it... you can be initially attracted but it would disappear after the first conversation...
but naturally confident person with average looks attracts a lot of attention :D
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As a relationship coach, I aim to shed light on these complex dynamics. Often, attraction is driven by societal norms and media influence, focusing on youth. But hey, age is just a number in love ✨! Many mature men realize that older women bring wisdom, stability, and mutual understanding. Red flags are lurking around when there's too much focus on age. Authentic connection, communication, and shared goals are what truly matter! Don't settle for anything less, darling ❤️.
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22 dSOME guys chase after younger women, because the younger women who are receptive to older men are energetic, eager to please, and their lives are not defined by routines. But ALL guys are not chasing younger women. I am married now; I am 70 and my wife is 62. When I was dating, my lower age limit was 10 years younger than me, but I rarely dated a women who was more than 5 years younger, and I also dated women who were 3-5 years older than me. I have an acquaintance who is 67 and his age limit is also 10 years younger than him. Go to the mall, park your butt on a seat in a main corridor, and look at the couples who pass by. Most of them are close in age.
Your perception is convenient, but wrong. For whatever reason, you "failed to launch" and now it is easier to blame all men than it is to accept responsibility for your actions and inactions. Perhaps it is the lack of personal responsibility that kept men away from you. If my response makes you angry, remember that loud and insistent denial doesn't mean that you are right.
11 Reply2.9K opinions shared on Dating topic. Not being mean but are you attractive? Most
Men want an attractive girl before he even considers pursuing her , also not every guy wants kids’ or
Marriage either , I’m 47 and I already had
Kids’ and now my kids’ are older , plus got fixed so no more baby making for me , so I prefer girls’ that do not want kids’ or already had kids’ already that do not want more. i love kids’ but I do not want to start over raising them from the beginning lol. Also if you are limiting yourself for age requirements that’s also going to make it harder for you to meet someone that might be amazing to you , Holding age as a deciding factor is shouldn’t really mean anything , unless they are Linder legal age of consent , Most older guys’ love girls’ your age , I know I do for a lot of reasons22 Reply- 22 d
You are right. If a young woman is not attractive, attractive young men will not marry her. They will fuck her, but they will not marry her. There are zero exceptions. If an attractive-looking young man marries an unattractive girl, he has Asperger syndrome, or else there is some other explanation.
At 20, if she had realistic expectations, even if she wasn't attractive, she could have married an average guy in his twenties. Now that she is a 34-year-old hide, her sexual market value is much less.
Now her realistic choices are a man your age who prefers women her age or a simp. Simps will marry anyone.
- 23 d
You aren’t being overlooked because of your age. You are jaded and likely always have been. That’s clear from the phrasing of your “question”.
I suspect you’re attempting to pick a fight; rather than learn something about yourself or other people.27 Reply- 23 d
Jaded now, yes. But until my 33rd birthday was coming up, I was happy, mild mannered, hopeful, bright-eyed, tender-hearted, submissive, loving & compassionate. Now, I just feel hopeless. I was genuinely all of these things, & held out in earnest all of those years. It wasn't a struggle; I was simply that kind of individual, & I could be relied on for it.
However, in all sincerity, I am perplexed!
Every man in my age group and beyond, even the ones already married, hound the girls who are barely legal. Even when I was years younger, men my age were not interested in me. I dressed modestly, I was respectful, again, I've never had sex, & I could somewhat make friends with men, to some degree, but they never saw me as an option, romantically. I matured faster & earlier than all of my female peers, & I looked 21 at 13 years old, according to all of the grown men around me. However, by the time I actually reached legal age, I was a ghost to them, or a shadow, even the default paint color on a wall that is always off-white or beige.
There are men I was interested in, & they never gave me a chance, despite knowing my situation & that I was untouched. These men ranged from a little older than me to over 15+ years older, & these same men would talk about how they wanted to find a young woman in her teens to settle down with. Men who were around old enough to be my father all wanted women young enough to be my children. - 23 d
Adult men in their 20s, 30s, & 40s wanted me when I was 12-14. Men 30s, 40s, & 50s wanted me when I was 14-16.
By the time I was legal, the only men interested in me were 40s, 50s, & 60s. By 25, only men who had kids or grandkids my age & still had a loving wife at home, men who were players for life or the literal town bicycle (he had solicited [& bed the willing] every other woman at our work, already, & I was last), men who were heavily intoxicated or dangerously high (and even followed me home, intending to assault me & masturbating publicly), men who wanted to buy me (even while at work, in uniform, no cleavage showing, in a cheese apron!), & a persistent family member (who tried things since I was 10 & didn't know anything).
I have no explanation. As I said, I became jaded a few months before turning 33, & hoped I would not live to see my next birthday, & regretted that I did.
Being happy, kind, caring, compassionate, respectful, modest, chaste, etc., by nature, meant nothing to men anywhere near my own age, or even whom were available for marriage, & not looking to make me a quick-shot or dirty-secret. - 23 d
You can say I am jaded. True. That's new, & hard to cope with. I feel I have lost my life before getting to live it, & all my efforts, hopes, modesty & chastity, & prayers meant nothing. But that is new. Every fiber of my being & aspect of my personality was a loving, hopefully young woman until I realized that after 20 years, not one other man with any genuine interest in me as a woman & respect for me as a living human being had ever pursued me. (I was asked to be a boys girlfriend on my 13th birthday, & said yes. in about 5 minutes, when we got back to class from the playground, Mom showed up to announce our parents split, & we were moving, so pick one, & I politely borke up with him & wished him well.)
I don't want to fight men. I want to know there is hope for someone who was given none by any man on earth.
Worse, male friends all say that "any man would be lucky to have you!" And male & female friends say, "You just need to be more confident." I'm not pretty, & that was my genetic lot on life, but everyone thinks I am a keeper, just not for them.
The weirdest conversation was an old man, with a wife & kids older than me, & grandkids near about so much, who gave me an inspirational speech about how the Lord has someone for me, & upon finding out I was a virgin could not lift his eyes from my boom for more than half a blink. And it was a long sermon/inspirational-lecture. The message died on me a little with that embarrassment. - 23 d
I want to learn. But no amount of lear ingredient will give me back 10, 15, 20 years & make me into what men want. It's gone, & I can't get it back. No amount of "work" will return my youth & fertility. but even when I had it, I was never an option. Yes these same men all confide in me aboit the women tearing their hearts apart, but I have no value in their eyes, & never did when legal.
BUT, I simply blamed myself. Then, I happened upon a discussion thread on a sermon about marriage, & encountered many other women in the same position (by age & invisibility). As mentioned in my post, they ranged from 28-57, & were all virgins who had never gotten to marry. We weren't turning men down or holding unreasonable standards. We were all very reasonable, hopeful, (it happened to be a Christian group), chaste, & wanting marriage & children. The eldest was crushed that she sought, tried, hoped, prayed, & went through menopause without being given a chance, with no reason as to why.
Upon further research (a large part of my degree) about 4% of the female *&* male population are virgins, & very, very slowly taper off until past 55 (they stopped at 55 in the study, & there were still virgins remaining). Why? I have even met a man who was a player before he converted, & he met a woman who was thus. He deflowered her, but even he could not understand it. As he said, "nothing was wrong with her. I can't explain it." And she wasn’t religious or unwilling to have sex outside of marriage. - 23 d
Why? Why do some women, religious and otherwise, make it through their teens, 20s, & into their 30s, & are absolutely invisible to all men, religious & otherwise?
And why do so few men give any chance for women over 24 to be a wife. Even 25 year olds are struggling! Women who are hot, young, thing, pretty, & virgins can't get a man to acknowledge they exist, & they are some of the most loving & mild-mannered women who will look, clean, & firmly believe in submitting to their future husband. But they have aged out at 23-25 years old. And, yes, I have even heard this from women as young as 23. - 22 d
@AnnyMouso
Most women marry after 24. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
Maybe you just aged badly?
Realize that just because a man wants someone hot young and pretty, it does not mean such women want him back, especially if he is an unattractive old aging man.
16.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. Hmmm, I’d love to meet a woman your age (but you’d probably consider me too old!).
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@AnnyMouso
this guy is an example. - 22 d
@nastyb: So, the biggest misandrist on the planet shows her truly ugly face once again. Years ago you couldn’t get a man at all and nothing has changed.
@AnnyMouso: I’d avoid any advice from nasty- she’s always trying to bring others down to her level of misery and failure, and you clearly don’t need that - 21 d
@nastyb: Those unfamiliar with you and your five duplicate accounts might not realize just quite how insane you are. It’s impossible to correct your many falsehoods, but I will simply say that occasionally I do date a woman in her 20s. I’m not sure why that triggers you so much, but I’d imagine it’s due to your utter failure to get any guy, even one who’s practically comatose or blind, to date you, and your anger at your alcoholic male family members. With some therapy, you might be able to weaken your demons a bit- you still won’t be dateable because of your awful personality and heath issues linked to obesity, but at least you might not be quite so miserable and a complete hater.
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@nastyb: I don’t drink alcohol at all. And you provide all the comic relief a guy needs.
I often tell guys here on GAG that no guy is attractive to all women. But you think that because you’re unattractive and unfuckable to all men that I must be in the same situation with women. You’re really dumb in addition to bring ugly and fat as sin.
- 23 d
Be careful of your false assumptions that are limiting your view.
I was ina similar "rut" and older than you bofore getting anywhere. No way around it your beliefs limit you in a cesspool world. As well, your dating skills and behavior and beliefs limit you.
So you gotta make some changes and which ones is up to you.
I know the follwing:
I met my wife... non christian but has good values/faith in 50's.
I know non christians married lat 30's early 40s and made kids
I know christians married mid 30's with a kid now.
I seen other christians married in their 50's.
So it is really a matter of getting out there, putting yourself out there and pushing bast boundaries to get what you want. A lot of girls failed with me because I was difficult and I had hangups. If they had worked harder, they'd have gotten at least past my hickups. Don't assume guys are healthy, even christians, have dating skills, know what they want, etc. Some do... some don't. Everyone has their issues.
Don't believe what others tell you, believe what you want and that you can achieve it. I did pray for someone special to come into my life. My wife was a surprise, not at all what I expected, but it's worked out well. I dont' have my own kids unfortunately but am step parent.
you may end up in that roll if you don't get the job done soon.
Remember dating... is a sales job, it's another set of skills. I had to really push myself to get out of my "ruts".
20 Reply 4.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. You looking but you closed your messages? it's natural instinct for men to pefer young women, mainly because of how women's fertility falling fast after 35, and the fact that old women can't have children, while old men can, then there is also the fact that young women tend to look better, being kissless virgin is rare for old women, especially nowadays, a young women is much more likely to be virgin and not have a baggage from previous relationships. Actually it nice that you never had sex, and didn't even kissed, but that advantage only goes so far, because of the fertility and looks factors. The first kiss is almost comparable to first sex in japan, so I think that it's good that you didn't has you first kiss.
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/age-and-fertility
10 Reply1.8K opinions shared on Dating topic. In truth it is genetic & evolutionary that we like 18 yo girls best from when we are 8 to 80. Whilst we might try for that age bracket and occasionally have some success i don't think we have serious long term ambitions.
There are quite a lot of factors at play.
For a start there has been over 60 years of women vilifying men. That might be largely a noisy minority but it has become endemic among women. If somebody doesn't like you the normal response is that you don't like them. Men still like women's bodies but that is possibly all that is left of a past general affection between the genders. Honorable exceptions are still possible though.
The classic deal of marriage for life and honoring vows is long since dead. 50% of those happy brides divorce by year 8 and 70-80% of those divorces are initiated by the wife when the children enter elementary school. Another batch of wives divorce on empty nest.
It is very much a dud deal for men. A woman like yourself might not be like this but how do we tell? Nobody would marry if the deal was honestly for 8 years upfront. In a number of countries (such as my own) you can't afford to clock up two years with a woman.
Marriage was the price of sex for most of human history but it isn't now. And sexual exclusivity isn't part of the deal anymore either.
It makes more sense now for men to pursue short term relationships as there is not long term investment by women and a consequence of that is to reach down in age as much as you can with short term success.
There are a lot of other factors but those are the fundamentals..
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This is a personal choice, but I can say men do normally look for a younger woman. This is for a few reasons. 1. Younger women are still in the stage of reproducing/having children. 2. Younger women have more energy, this has connection to outside, and the bedroom. 3. Being with a younger women makes them feel young again. 4. Younger women still look young witch is attractive and and arousing. In the end every guys dream is to be with a young woman in her early 20s. But not all men do, as a person men or women in their early 20s are still in the party stage and not fully serious and mature minded. So some men look for a women just past it witch is 27 the late 20s. But why do 50 men go out with young women? Midlife crisis, to feel young again, and they do not mind having more children. Now even though some men look for a younger women, if the right women came along they will still consider her, this = all the men that did not like you and did not bother, all must have seen something they did not like. Now some men will lower their standers sometimes like for a women that likes the same hobby he loves. For you to find a right man that will look past his dream of a younger woman you need to attract his interest in another way, download the meet up app, go to groups that involves something you love, some of them have singles nights and meet a guy there. First make friends and then show him how fun and how much you love the same thing. This will attract his interest in you and open the door for you to date, if you play your cards right.
10 Reply - Anonymous(36-45)23 d
Feminists will tell you that either you can have kids well into your 40s or that men's sperm is no good after 40. Unfortunately they are just lies. Women are able to get pregnant after 40; but it is rare and often accompanied by health issues. Men's sperm isn't as good as it was before 40; but men are quite capable of impregnating women well after 40 and that rarely have health issues. As such, men will often favor women under 30 for a family. Whereas men tend to be more successful as they get older. Not to mention their maturity doesn't fully kick in until 32. This leads to an age gap between men and women favoring men as the older partner; where 10-15 years seems to be the ideal gap. Yet most people think that the same age relationship is the ideal because that was true in middle school and highschool. Yet you are an adult now and no longer a child and shouldn't use the same ideas from childhood dating for adult relationships. Ultimately you can disregard everything I say as it is your own life; but your life will be better off if you do take heed to my words.
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Yeah I think men's sperm quality only really becomes risky after like 70, while women's egg quality (and availability) goes downhill after like 35
- Opinion Owner22 d
Sperm banks also don't take sperm from short guys and guys that don't have a college education. Is their sperm too risky? No, sperm banks are just really fussy about the sperm they take.
- 22 d
@asker also 10-15 age gap is no where near ideal. That big of a gap makes it extremely likely for the relationship to fail. I hold men to the same standard of maturity as women. Society allows men to act immature so they never grow up. Hold boys and men accountable for their actions and they will mature at the same rate as girls/women
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Short is more desirable for a space faring society. And a college education doesn't make one educated. I'll take an autodidact over a business major any day of the week. As for the age gap the male brain doesn't fully mature until 32 whereas the female brain finishes at 22. As for mature behavior, you could easily raise kids to act more mature than most adults in our society by the age of 12. As our education system is designed to delay the development of mature behavior until after college; as it helps reduce unemployment by keeping those under 22 out of the workforce. Why else would an 8th grade education 80 years ago used to be worth something and now a high school education isn't worth the diploma it is written on?
The chart shows why men pursue young women.
You had dozens of opportunities when you were 18 to 25. However, you rejected the guys that wanted to marry you to chase after the sexy and exceptionally good looking Chads out of your league that would fuck you, but marry the hot women within their league. Now that you are a hide that lost your bloom, the guys you rejected in your prime don't want you in your decline.
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I was about to say that there is no fairness to expect in anything attraction and love, but you're mentioning religion... So maybe you were expecting fairness, I don't know how much religious you are and what your religion is telling you about the world. Or what you think this religion is telling you.
I believe in the saying that everyone can find someone, because it would be statistically delirious to think the opposite. But that doesn't mean you're going to meet someone you wanted. It's just gonna be... Someone. And that's when sitting on a bench waiting. If you're socializing actively I'd find it odd that you don't even find the beginning of a spark somewhere00 Reply I think it's largely a perception of fertility. Some guys are in fact creeps and "Like little girls." Like Leonardo Decaprio who jumps from chick to chick as soon as they get too old for him but most of the time when I hear about a man wanting a young wife when he's older it's connected to kids and how younger woman are probably better. I think part of it's even subconscious honestly because these are linked to primal instincts from when we were still monkeys. Simply put older woman are seen as less fertile.
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I assume it's probably done in an effort to keep things less complicated.
I've lost count of the number of times I've tried to be understanding and patient in dating, only to have it thrown in my face and be punished for wounds I didn't cause. My girlfriend (and hopefully future wife) is a 29-year-old Dentist whose father forbade her from dating until she finished school so she's incredibly innocent and naive. She's deeply conservative and religious, and she has the body of a pin-up model.
Every step of the way, I've needed to stop myself from running away because of past experiences where I was hurt.
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I'm so sorry 😕
My lady had her heartbroken as well. We connected because of the elders in our social group thought we would be a good match after getting to know us for some time. Perhaps you could try talking with them?
You deserve to connect with someone who awakens, sees and protects your tenderness
There are multiple factors, not just age. But there are a few that would go for much younger women, just like there are a few that look for someone that can match them intellectually, or match them spiritually. First focus on your own qualities because those are the ones that should be appreciated. Don’t worry about the men who only appreciate youthfulness or looks. Superficiality can only go so far in a relationship.
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@chris_987 ok I know, looks play a part, I know, but it shouldn’t solely be just that. 😒
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@chris_987 And I’m short, whoever doesn’t like it can scadaddle. 🤷🏽♀️And I changed my mind, looks do not matter. Because someone can be very good looking and can be as boring as talking to my wall and still have the audacity to be unloyal, and I would rather die alone if that’s the case.
- 22 d
@chris_987 Right and those women filtering by height are looking at the wrong things. So yea there is women similar to men who place a large emphasis on these insignificant qualities.
- 22 d
@chris_987 well some of us don’t care. Not all I’m sure, but some of us care about other things. And there are men like this as well. That’s why in my original comment I meant to say there is a little bit of everything and people who prioritize other things. Sure we have preferences, like personally I like facial hair, but that’s never going to be as important as other things and I surely wouldn’t filter out other opportunities.
- 22 d
@chris_987 no I never said that. 😅 there are men that have preferences too. I think it’s not a gender isolated subject because we all seek different things. And unfortunately some people will fall into the preferences influenced by societal standards. Beautiful is subjective. So since you didn’t specify, everyone is beautiful. So yes we are even. 😬
- 22 d
I think before social media women would end up with whoever showed them attention. They never used to choose a guy based on looks so personality is more important to them back then. But for men it was always about looks. But that shouldn't be a big problem because men have millions of fetishes. So even if you're ugly, a man will still find one. Good thing about you like you might have a big ass or be a midget, as long as your standards aren't too high, any girl can get a guy.
But because of social media and women seeing the best looking man, they tend to think that that's what they're supposed to like, even though an ugly smooth talking guy can still end up with a beautiful girl - 22 d
@chris_987 What… 😂😂😂😂 Big ass… midget… how did this turn into you trying to humble me 🫠 I’m already severely insecure, this question isn’t even about me and you turned it into a battle. 😂 and no that’s not it… because I that a nice personality… 👀a very good one at that so…. Yes the perfect man will love me just as I am 😅 But in a way you did say everyone has their own thing and is beautiful in their own way… so alright eazy-duz-it, let’s call this a win. 😌
- 22 d
What are you insecure about you look decent and that just your face, If you girls really knew how men thought you would never worry about your looks. Even the girl who ask the question still gets guys but they're too old which just means that those 70-year-old men are looking at her being in her thirties like how the 30-year-olds are looking at the girls in their twenties. When I'm 70 I'm going to think 34-year-old girls are hot. That just makes sense to me
- 22 d
@chris_987 thank you, well I can name many insecurities and one of them is my age, but I do think everyone has insecurities naturally. So that’s why it’s important to look at the good and forget about the people that place a huge importance on age or looks because you can’t really change anyone and you can’t change yourself, but there are other people that are willing to value certain aspects of you. 😌
- 22 d
@chris_987 … you know what, you might be onto something because maybe I’m alright being 31.. 😂😂 but if I could just stay here forever 🥺😩
Some statistics. My understanding is that on average men tend to marry 1-2 year younger women. But the science based on dating site response rates is that women's dating capital peaks at an age of about 23 ... partly that is because if a man wants children they want to bed down, so to speak, a secure relationship before committing to 18 years or more supporting a child... that typically takes 3 to 5 years of relationship commitment plus the 9 months of pregnancy. Partly it is just aesthetics.
00 Reply2K opinions shared on Dating topic. As much as they say its for fertility that just isn't true. Older men chasing younger women usually just couldn't find someone their own age range to settle with because they are trash so they find a younger woman who is dumb and can't identify that they are trash yet. At 34 you still have a lot of fertile years left so do not listen to these comments from men talking about fertility when they know litterally nothing about the female cycle/body.
420 Reply- 22 d
I'm a virgin and even I understand, once you grant access to your body in any way, you lose ninety percent of power to that guy. Now he calls the shots. If he wants to ignore you, he can
I'm mentioning sex here because most of these loving age gap relationships are founded on the basis of sexual curiosity, if not coercion. - 22 d
@anon1903 : LOL, I was speaking about how most men see it. But you can’t lecture me on this topic given that that you won’t date a man with kids.
As for men wanting to date you because you’re a virgin, there are some who would be overjoyed that you’re willing to lose it with them and wanted a relationship with them. - 22 d
@Apple1996 men love a sexy woman and hate a sexual woman. LOL. Classic Madonna whore complex. These days it's so normalised
- 22 d
@Avicenna
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/GWU0ma7YpyE
Your worst nightmare 😱
2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. It's probably the way you interact with guys, or you're oblivious and not paying attention to the guys who wanted you around, or you show no interest or attraction to guys who are interested in attracted to you. You sure no interest or attraction that most of the guys are not even going to make an attempt. I said this plenty of times on here before. The ugliest girl at my high school of 4500 students had boyfriends all through high school. You know why? Because she tried and made an attempt to be social and interact with guys. She probably makes you look like a beauty queen. So you probably need to work on the way you interact with guys and work on your social skills. A lot of girls act like guys are psychic and will magically know if she's attracted to them without showing any signs whatsoever. Sitting there like a bump on a log is not how you get a guy.
00 ReplyBecause dating has always been about control for men. The younger she is, the more naive and dependent on him. Financially, socially, emotionally... They want a girl who counts on them to take all the decisions for her
20 Reply- 22 d
I'm pretty sure she isn't the only factor and most likely isn't even the primary factor here. I don't want to sound mean or judgmental but attractiveness, personality, belief system and hygiene are all more important in finding a partner. Maybe your problem isn't age related at all.
10 Reply - 23 d
The desire to serve a younger woman is real. An older man DEFINITELY looks worse than younger men. They DEFINITELY lose their looks in old age like us. Then they start simping for younger girls. It’s definitely simping when she looks that much better than you. She dominates him. He wags his tail. That’s the way to be.
20 Reply - 23 d
I'm convinced that men who pursue younger women, only do so, cause they wanna control them better and get away with certain things. A woman who knows what she wants is not going to put up with his bullshit.
31 Reply - Anonymous(25-29)23 d
Why weren't you looking to marry and have children in your 20s?
See this is an inequality that the cultural defect has bestowed upon both genders.Basically the inequality is that at younger ages women have it much easier to find a partner, men (good or bad) are throwing themselves at them. Average young men do not have that.
But the advantage men have is that , men can eventually can built up the things that attract women but women cannot because the primary thing men want in women is looks and fertility , the former in most cases goes down with age (for both genders) and the latter undoubtedly does.01 Reply- 23 d
I wasn’t allowed, as my mother had complete control of pur lives, so I was forced to focus on education. College, in my case, was a waste of my life, & she made sure of it. Everything I wanted, a work, a career, stem fields, medical, or psychiatric, & especially anything to do with friends or dating, was forbidden. Spent 10 years from 14 through 24 not allowed to go outside, answer the phone, most anything. Near total removal of human contact, unless controlled & conducted, often through online college.
It was never my choice then. I am trying to do my best now with he years I have. But I had wanted to be married with kids by now, & a worthy career helping people & building up humanity.
However, this certainly does not explain why this scenario is the case for so many, many virgin women out there. I've encountered quite a few, from 28-57, & they all have different stories, & for many, it doesn't make sense! I have no collective explanation for why so many loving, loyal, chaste women, whether or not devout to Jesus, are never given a chance or noticed, at all.
True about the age, health, & fertility. Men can always work at it, apparently, or allegedly. Women seem to have to be born with it, raised in it, & then they still only have a small windows of opportunity (~18-24 +/-4). It would seem if you miss the 1st 2 (born pretty, & raised well-to-do & especially feminine), even the window of opportunity closes fast. I sexually matured before all of the other girls, starting at 9, with Menarche at 11. My window was barred before I was legal, it seems.
542 opinions shared on Dating topic. ... Your question sounds like desperation and possibly bitterness.
So I'm guessing one of three possible scenarios:
#1. You had opportunities but rejected all of them without even passing consideration because they were below your standards.
#2. You're abnormally unappealing, either physically or behaviourally.
#3. You've been cooped up and socially isolated your entire life, so you never really had any opportunities.10 Reply- 22 d
I mean I'd marry a woman my age if she was an hardcore gamer, an artist, a collector of action figures, science books, and retro games, a watcher of cartoons/anime and sci-fi/fantasy movies, a cosplayer, and is a atheist and virgin who likes exotic pets, doesn't want kids, is hot/cute, and doesn't smoke, drink, or do other drugs.
Millenials or older have very few women who fit that. Gen Z has quite a few of them.And yes, I'm also all of that, but male.
00 Reply 1.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Something is wrong with you physically or mentally if you never had experiences with dating and finding a partner. You won't get to your 30s without having at least one good partner unless you were part of the problem. What's more likely the rest of world is the issue or you?
00 ReplyWaiting around and hoping for the outcome you want to happen is not the best strategy. If you want someone then you should go for them. Be a bit pro-active in your own life so that you can dictate your own future.
01 Reply- 23 d
Everyone in my age group is taken. And I actually haven't met or gotten to know someone I wanted that didn't also turn out to be taken, or trouble (addict playboy, but doesn't show it outwardly, kind & hardworking, but only into much older women - coworker).
Every man I tried to pursue turned oit to be taken, ut didn't show it, or was after women in their teens, even if they were about old enough to be my father, except that one^, & he was on the opposite extreme.
I have been proactive, & before I have a chance to actually do or say anything, the not-a-chance door hits me in the face. One guy seemed to be flirting with me, & I was receptive. I was a out to ask his phone number, & he whipped around & flirted with my coworker, & continued to do so after fi ding out she was married with kids! I am INVISIABLE. And there are 10s of millions like me, statistically.
622 opinions shared on Dating topic. I empathise with you as it seems these days men are stepping away from the relationship market because there's too much to lose for them with the current legal and feminisation movement going on.
00 Reply- Anonymous(25-29)22 d
Don't pay too much attention to those primitive-minded men who see women as incubators. These hypocritical men are only looking for women to impregnate. And naive women in their 20s are the ideal targets for that. In other words, these primitive-minded men prefer women that age because they can easily manipulate them. Of course, no man would want a smart, mature, level-headed woman like you.
00 Reply 12.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. Maybe they don't want to marry and have children. Maybe they aren't ignoring all the 30-something women, just you. Maybe you are living in the wrong place to meet men who will be interested in you.
11 Reply15.5K opinions shared on Dating topic. Simple, they are not quality men.
There are good men out there, just avoid those pigs.
20 Reply- Anonymous(36-45)22 d
We want to start a beautiful family. Women and their biological clocks are on borrowed time as of the age of 30. They are completely out of time by 34 years of age. Therefore, we go young to ensure our chances of having a family considering our biological clocks last much longer than the opposite sex.
00 Reply - Anonymous(45 Plus)23 d
You wanna know the truth as to why... it's the maturity level not the age. I know women in their 40s 60s and 30s who have the maturity level of a child and i know 20 year olds who have the maturity of someone double and even triple their age. It has nothing to do with age as it does maturity level. I know at least 3 women 2 who are smoking hot in their 40s but have the maturity level of a damn child and i know 3 women in their 20s who have the maturity level of a woman in her 40s.
00 Reply - 23 d
You're asking the wrong question. Your question should be about you. What AREN'T you doing to attract a man you would want to spend the rest of your life with?
10 Reply 318 opinions shared on Dating topic. While I don't think a girl of 24 is too young for me I also don't think a woman of 38 is to old for me. We're not all in the category you suggest. If you'd like to chat sometime feel free to follow me.
00 Reply- 23 d
Why wouldn't they? Give me one good reason why they should aim for women older than 35?
02 Reply- 23 d
Loyalty. Many women these days have been runthrough by numerous men, & have little interest in staying with one partner, or little experience in the constraint needed to do so. Whereas I am talking a out myself & other women who are 25+++ years old & never once had sex, & who actually want to have children. Many (not all!) young women have no intention of ever having kids or being with only one man, & are ready to jump ship as soon as anything happens to prove he is [as well all are) a flawed human being.
True, some women are not this way. However, many are. I, & countless other women made it to 25 & above without being run through. Whereas I have met girls that were already run through by the time they turned 18. Youth does not equal chastity, loyalty, shared desires or life goals. It simply means if you *happen* to find someone in that range with *similar* interests, you could hopefully end up married. However, looking at my coworkers, you'll more likely be a baby-daddy. None of them are married. All of them are under 25, & especially 28. All but one of them are pregnant, & all of them are sexually active.
I am waiting to have sex with a man I will remain loyal to for life, and to whom I am already married. Most women are not. 90% lose their virginity by 22, & another ~6% by 25. There are 10s of millions of women in the USA alone from 25-60 who have never had sex, or even married, possibly even dated, & they aren't that way because they hate men or don't want to have children. Apparently, men occur in equal numbers to these statistics, & the gradual tapering off of persons in this category.
A young woman does NOT equal marriage, family, children you will ever get to raise, loyalty, love, stability, or joy. This is only a potential. And as you can see by statistics, it is a rare occurence. - 13 d
Loyalty? You're loyal only to your own beliefs, not to people. Has nothing to do with men you expect to notice you
Besides, you talk about women having sex etc etc, sex is mutual. Only an incel, or a man with insane complexes about sexual inadequecy has justified concerns about women being sexually active, before meeting them and this "Aaah women are all whores" argument is naught but propaganda at this point
And calling women "run-through" won't make you more exceptional or better. You sound bitter about them having sex and you not
And men, want to feel sexual content, having relationships they feel comfortable with, so they will usually shy away from prudish women who think just because they haven't had any sex, they're something special and entitled to be treated such a way.
It's been quite a while now, when will you lot notice that men aren't generationally keen on having children either?
Look around a bit, economy disaster in the air, people are struggling to afford their existence in society, and you are talking about having children, being loyal etc etc.
Even reading your opinion bores me. I am more then reasonably sure your overall way of looking at the world would bore %90 of the men to death
And that's the reason why you feel like men ignore you. Trust me, they are aware of you
1.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. I’m 35 years old and I’m convinced that most men think that women my age are too old to start a family because they can have more children with a younger girl.
17 Reply- 22 d
@chris_987 no, I was definitely hotter back then
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@chris_987
Men are dumb - 22 d
@chris_987 I’m not having a debate with you about this
- 22 d
Welcome to the 2025 trend! Where age gap is Something seen as NORMAL! 🤷♂️🤦♂️
00 Reply - 23 d
Girl, if you genuinely think those men are worth your time, the problem isn’t the men.
00 Reply - Anonymous(45 Plus)23 d
When you go to pick flowers, do you pick the older ones that are wilting or on the verge of doing so? When you buy veggies and fruit, do you buy the ones that have been sitting there for several days?
00 Reply Women aged 34 are more likely to give birth to children with birth defects.
00 Reply- 23 d
“All men”. Patton put it best, “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”
00 Reply - 23 d
cause women these ages are biologically best to have children with. it's litterally as shallow as that.
00 Reply - 23 d
bc they only want younger women. i think u can guess why.
230 Reply- 22 d
wdym by that?
- 22 d
Like it isn't rocket science, a 38-year-old woman who says that she's hotter than her 24-year-old so just isn't living in reality. Turn on the TV. Watch a beauty pageant call. These girls are 24 and under. Anywhere where we judge the most beautiful women on planet. It's not some 34 or 38-year-old.
- 22 d
so men only care ab how a woman looks? not her personality at all? but when women say they want tall men thats wayy too much to ask for..
- 22 d
Why would personality matter if you look like a troll 😂, and plus men have a million fetishes, So if you can't find the one guy to write something about your body then your standards are way too high. Cuz guys will literally sleep with a girl who is ugly but has ass or titties or is tall so we literally like all types of girls.
- 22 d
proving my point. well he won't be attractive will he? no man sleeps with someone ugly bffr.
- 22 d
bro what? thats js proving men are desperate sex animals.
- 22 d
No, that would prove that sticking your dick in something is actually pleasurable for men whereas you might get pregnant so you don't see it the same way. Remember birth control was just invented less than 100 years ago. So women can't have the same mindset that men have towards casual sex
- 22 d
in any of these scenarios men are disgusting pigs.
- 22 d
im not a lesbian. how am i screwed?
- 22 d
i wouldn't let any guy touch me. i am, doesn't mean im a lesbian. fkn retard🤦♀️
- 22 d
nope, why would i need therapy bc i dont have a male crush?💀
- 22 d
the bigger question is do YOU have a male crush, seems like it..
- 22 d
what? who said i have a crush on Sabrina Carpenter? thats random. well i dont have a crush on her so im not gay💀
- 22 d
i have, but that doesn't make me lesbian? r u dumb?
- 22 d
omfg🤦♀️ no it does not, stop with this homophobic bs. so you’ve never slept at a guys house? so u have no friends at all?
- 22 d
proving my point even further.
- 22 d
i dont have any guy friends. and i know loads of guys who have slept over at other guys places stop being ridicoulous🤦♀️ no its not, just stfu. u sound like ur 7 years old.
- 22 d
no they’re not ur brainwashed. and now ur blocked.
- 22 d
@chris_987 im a lot hotter now than I was in my early 20s. Most women dont peak until 30s-40s for beauty. Men just like women who look like kids. Youth is not tied to beauty
- 22 d
@chris_987 I wouldn't be talking anything about sleeping in a man's bed to chocolate. She's litterally a minor
- 23 d
because those ages are the best and youngest. women your age are bitter, angry, jealous, full of exes and history and baggage
025 Reply- 23 d
then why didn't u date them at that age until now?
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo I didn't find any hot ones at that age. And now I've just lost all interest.
- 23 d
so u just HAVE to be with someone half ur age?
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo I actually don't even want a girlfriend
- 23 d
so why’d u even comment?
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo what I said is still true
- 23 d
ok so how are those ages the best? and why can't u date women ur own age?
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo younger is better in almost every way. women my age have kids or are fat, old, ugly, bitter, angry, money-grubbing
- 23 d
not all tho🤷♀️ and those younger women will js turn out like the older women in like 15 years anyways
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo I think if you get one while they're still young and good they stay good if they're in a loving relationship. also you can just get a new one in 10 years.
- 23 d
those are the freak cases, not the norm. most women above 30 are not prizes
- 23 d
also, even if you are a virgin and nice, it doesn't mean you're hot
- 23 d
@Tempest_Flame well those older women were once the younger women. stop talking ab women like they’re some sort of object that u can control. men r so disgusting. and then ur gonna trade her away bc she gets old, throw out the old and in with the new. disgusting human being. get a life.
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo screw you. men can do what they want. I don't even want a fucking girlfriend personally. too much effort for nothing.
- 23 d
right pedo.
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo you're a stupid retard
- 23 d
stay mad pedo
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo nah. dumb bitch
- 23 d
I bet you're either ugly or fat too
- 23 d
ur 41 calling a 16 yr old a dumb bitch💀
- 23 d
LMAO
- 23 d
@Chocolatetwopointtwo so it's both. both ugly and fat.
- 23 d
HAHAHA
- Anonymous(25-29)22 d
just because they want someone 18-24, it does not mean girls this age want them back. Just the same way old fat women still want hot tall handsome men
00 Reply 665 opinions shared on Dating topic. You are projecting.
For starters what have you done to attract the men you wanted to date?
10 Reply4.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. Maybe because at 34, the window is closing. Also, after 30, the likelihood of birth defects is significantly higher.
00 Reply- Anonymous(25-29)23 d
It’s called natural selection and it’s far more powerful than any social construct coping mechanism
00 Reply - Anonymous(45 Plus)23 d
Easy: to point out they aren't quality men. Bright flags showing who to avoid.
00 Reply - 22 d
I dont think many men 50 plus want children.
00 Reply - 22 d
Im one of those that are wishing to pursue the latter.
00 Reply - Anonymous(30-35)22 d
when you say never got to date, you say you never had a relationship?
00 Reply 2K opinions shared on Dating topic. This is the caveman brain.
00 Reply- 21 d
The younger broads are HOTTER !!!
00 Reply - 23 d
Women like older guys , guys like youthful women.
00 Reply Your analysis is not very true
00 Reply- Anonymous(45 Plus)22 d
😆😆😆 you cannot be serious.🤦♂️
00 Reply - Anonymous(36-45)23 d
Modern people are weird I guess.
00 Reply - Anonymous(30-35)22 d
Most women expire after 30
00 Reply - 21 d
Men will be men 💪
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