Is it true: Men get better with age while women decline in looks and fertility?

[CarolinaCutie5]

Yes

No

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1 y

Ladies no hating on the men in the comments. Men have it hard enough as it is dealing with your me too, feminist and misandry clan behavior. spread love ❤️

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Ladies I'm not counting your votes so you're wasting your time lol

[MrOracle]

That statement is too simplified. This graph helps explains the reality much better.

Average SMV (Social Market Value), by age and sex

This graph shows the average man and average woman's SMV (you can think of this as "relationship value") and how that changes with age. Note that this graph depicts men and women having the same TOTAL value - the area under each curve is identical, it's just arranged differently over time.

Primarily because of when women's fertility window occurs, women's SMV is extremely front-loaded in their lives. Women effectively start their adult lives with insanely high value - higher than most men will EVER achieve - and this is purely a result of (presumably) having a functional uterus. Of course, it's certainly possible to squander that value via poor behavior, or by not taking care of yourself, but generally, a woman will have incredibly high relationship value between the ages of 18-28, enough that she's going to be attractive to the vast majority of men from age 14-94. And, assuming she's maintained that value by maintaining a very low body count and otherwise taking care of herself, she could attract the vast majority of "relationship men" - not necessarily the top 2-3% men, because almost none of those men want a relationship with anyone - but of the men actually looking for a relationship, she could secure a commitment from most men during this age, because she has so much value to "spend" on a match, and to a significant degree she can have her pick of men (outside of the top 2-3%).

Now let's look at men's curve. The graph reflects the fact that men are not BORN with value - in fact, young men have been considered "disposable" throughout all of history (they're the bulk of who gets sent to fight wars). Men only have value if they work hard and work smart and BUILD their own value (with the exception of a very small percentage of men who are either born with incredible looks or a huge inheritance - definitely NOT the vast majority of men). And it takes time to build value. Not only does this mean establishing a career (which often includes advanced education) and building up resources, but also building up experience and confidence and competence. For this reason, men's value is WAY below women in the men's 20s, even though most men are at their physical peak during these years.

Ahh... but look what happens as men and women turn 30. This is when, on average, a man has finally created enough value to start to become more widely attractive as a relationship partner, but this is also when (on average) women's value drops below men's, where it will remain for the rest of her life. This is why this age (30 or early 30s) is called "hitting the wall" for women - because women have been used to having such high value in their teens and 20s and being able to get as much attention as they like, that when that suddenly starts to go away, it hits most women really hard - it's a shock when she walks into a room and all of sudden everyone doesn't turn towards her like they used to only a couple of years ago. Obviously her value hasn't fallen to zero, but it can sometimes feel like it has because she no longer has the wealth of options she used to have, and she'll never have that wealth of options again (though many women CAN improve their value somewhat by changing her attitude and values).

It's not that men "aged better" - they just peak later, and while they don't peak as high, their peak is spread out over a much longer period of time.

[HawkPerception]

Hit the bullseye again 🎯

[Zylos]

I mean, I'm not saying there isn't some truth to this, but it is a bit ridiculous to me to present it as if it is scientific fact, what with all the pseudoscientific lingo too lol

[MrOracle]

@Zylos There is NOTHING in human psychology that can be presented as "scientific fact" in the way that, say, physics or chemistry works. If that's the standard, then the entire field needs to be shut down. But that's obviously NOT the standard.

This is a GENERALIZATION. Do you understand what a generalization is? Do you not understand that the nature of any generalization is that there are going to be individual exceptions, because individual people have free will and unique experiences, but that the generalization applies to the vast majority of people over time? That's the only way we can really discuss these kinds of issues here, because we can't individually survey and compile specific data on 8 billion people.

There are dozens, if not hundreds of books from actual PhD psychologists and researchers who will back up what I wrote. They may each have minor disagreements with a point here or there, but I'm not writing a college research paper here with footnotes and references, but a forum post to explain a number of related concepts in a simple-to-understand way.

If you want to criticize my post, I welcome that, but dispute the IDEAS presented, not the format they're in, and don't try to impose some arbitrary standard that doesn't apply here.

[Finchie40]

It’s about 50/50 true and false , I can’t speak for everyone , but this is why there are a lot more relationships between older men and younger women. I can’ only answer based off of my own personal experiences and things that I have witnessed through the years , Me personally doesn’t hold age as a deciding factor to a certain extent , when I meet a beautiful girl that I have great chemistry and connection with , her age doesn’t determine the chemistry and connection and attraction we share for each other. I have dated older and younger girls’ through the years , and I married a girl that was 4 years older than me because her and I had amazing chemistry and connection together , unfortunately after 20 years of marriage she decided she wanted to be single again. Now that I am back on the market , I am leaning more towards younger girls’ because younger girls’ seem to be leaning towards guys’ my age , So now I am more attracted to younger girls’ more than I am attracted to older girls’ I am not saying I would t date a girl my age or a little bit older than me , but it seems I have way better experiences with younger girls’ compared to girls’ my age or older these days. The younger girls’ I have dated all said they love how I listen to them and how I respect them , they love my wisdom and maturity compared to guys’ her age. And they said they are more attracted to older guys’ because of that reason. Again I can’t speak for everyone but this is what I have been experiencing and I am not complaining , So my next girlfriend is more than likely going to be a younger girl because of the way she treats me compared to a girl my age or older, that unfortunately more than likely has a lot of baggage under her belt compared to a younger girl that doesn’t.

[FreyaRed]

I'm pretty sure every one girl I know who dated a 15+ years older guy didn't that because of finding them attractive.
Most girls have their idealistic love that appears in teen age behind them and in their prime time they tend to think pragmatic. When you come from a poor family and you own nothing with exception of your physical assets, it's tempting to exploit social status or wealth of older men who se much younger girls as some kind of Alpha rang increase. It's just mutual exploitation.

[4ngelic]

half true. everyone gets uglier and worse with age, not just women

[HawkPerception]

Men get better with age only because of things like experience, wealth, character, and demeanor, which are all qualities that women desire in a man. Our PHYSICAL peak is more so in our mid 30s, and only because men start to take working out seriously around then, and developing a manly body. 20s generally have the best physical peak.

We all decline after a certain point. After about 50, men's physical appearance and mental ability tends to go down.

Women have a younger peak (usually in their early 20s) because they are in their peak fertility, they are in the best shape, and aren't as jaded. An interesting statistic is that 71% of single women over 40 are not interested in dating or romantic relationships. That says a lot for how jaded they are when it comes to dating. Why would men want to even deal with that?

Men only care about a couple things. Is the woman physically attractive and are they a kind girl that's compatible with me? Let me clarify that women can look stunning even in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s (if they workout regularly, which most do not). But when it comes to personality, I hear so many more women hate on men as they get older than those who love men.

[Summeroflove]

The answer to that question is NO…. And a lot of these sugar daddy relationships are EXTREMELY financially motivated even if she’s not being completely honest why she’s with him. As well as the fact many relationships on the man’s part are more lust related if they don’t really have much in common.

Is that to sag they can’t ever be genuine? Absolutely NOT… But unfortunately it’s the exception not the rule. As long as both people are HONEST about what they’re looking for and are happy together.

Men decline in fertility as well though men can still have babies indefinitely as where women (on rare cases can) hit menopause and pretty much loose that ability.

Yes, if a man keeps himself in shape he can still look decent in old age. But men age too…. And a lot of older women will say they are attracted to younger men. 20s-30s.

[ohsheeT]

As we got older we are more chil we have been through it all we love love we love becoming one we don't have to be right we let things go we love peace and happiness. We have found ourselves we can be firm and we like to please. Yes dear etc etc life is to short to be moody all the time. Really any time lol

[HighValue]

Women's fertility is below 1% after the age of 35. That doesn't mean that if she tries 100 times, she will get pregnant, it means that less than 1% of women past age 35 can have healthy offspring, even if she tries thousands of time., but many people don't understand math and statistics. The rise of children with learning disabilities is often caused by women that have had a past of drug use or heavy alcohol use.

Men's fertility is still high after age 55 when it starts to decline, but many men can still have healthy offspring in their 70s. The men that have reduced fertility are those that have a past of drug use and heavy alcohol use. If you want to raise a family with an older man, make sure he doesn't have a past of substance use and you should be fine. Also, substance use, mostly drugs, but also heavy alcohol use is the main cause of erectile disfunction in men in their 30s and 40s, so that is also a concern when choosing a mate. Basically, just avoid the alcoholics and drug users. (Past drug use still has permanent long term effects. )

I did a research report on this topic in the past. Some people are in total denial and won't stop the wishful thinking, especially some women that fell for the feminist propaganda and lived a promiscuous, partying, alcohol and drug filled life and don't want to admit that they are the cause of their own problems due to poor life decisions. And some men that liked to party with drugs and lots of alcohol are in denial of the cause of them not being able to perform well.

[TrimmedTip]

Here’s the truth:

Men and women both age—physically, emotionally, biologically.
Fertility: Yes, women’s fertility declines faster, typically after 35. Men’s declines too, just more slowly.
Looks: Society tends to praise aging men (“silver fox”) and criticize aging women. That’s more about culture than reality.
Plenty of women and men look amazing, stay healthy, and grow more attractive with confidence and maturity.
So no, it’s not that men get better and women decline—it’s more about how we’re taught to see aging.

[Danzigdawson]

I think that there are many variables. Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. There is no real universal standard for attractiveness. It varies from person to person. It changes as you get older. It changes along with good or bad romantic experiences.

Some women like older men, some don't.

Some men like younger women, some don't.

Some couldn't care less about age whereas it's important for others.

There are women who stay beautiful as they age, and some who don't.

There are men who become more attractive as they age and some who don't.

[Shiprex]

Very few women like younger men especially at their most fertile ages. It's like height most women wouldn't be attracted to a shorter guy but similar and many taller girls will be less attractive to average or shorter guys,
The older one gets though it's more on women who will seek more established men who will tend to be stable, and financially better off so can bring more security to their lives. Guys don't go for security from women so the same is not the case.

[OneViewpoint]

I mean the fertility thing is a fact. Medicine considers a pregnancy at age 35 and older to be a "geriatric" pregnancy with higher risks. Whereas men are still pumping out swimmers at 70. So tick tock ladies. The fertility clock is different for men and women.

As for looks, that's not necessarily true. I know some women, one in particular, who is 50 and could easily pass for 30. I think people, at least here in the USA, just end to let themselves go after about 30-35. That's true for guys too. But if a man or a woman eats healthy, exercises regularly (resistance and cardio), and takes care of their skin and hair, they can knock 1-2 decades off not only their looks but their biological age.

[capriVib]

Aging reduces attractiveness for both genders. A man's wealth or status might be perceived as a sign of power but overall, attractiveness significantly declines for both sexes after the age of 40. Though it may be true that women's attractiveness tends to decrease more than men's.

[Anonymous]

It's HALF true. Good women NEVER lose value. But the majority of women are not very good women. And as women get older the number of women leftover single become a higher and higher concentration of the not good women. Because the good women get snapped up and married off. If you think about it, this isn't hard to understand. If you're single, If you REMAIN single and you have put the work in. You have to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself honestly, "why". Odds are YOU are the reason at that point. This is known as "taking responsibility for the role you play in your life, your choices, and in your "relationships".

[DonaldDarko]

I don't know really. Maybe to some extent, men remain fertile all their lives, women only a short period. Older men know they're way around the world much better. I suppose that's why young women often seek out older men. The whole thing is mechanical and nothing more than reproduction.

[Med_guy1978]

Like some flowers, females blossom earlier then males and hence go downhill earlier... Nothing a little detox and healthy lifestyle can't fix or at least pre long. Females can also look great with a little makeup and some nice clothes.
An aged man has no appeal if he doesn't look after himself.

[UniquelyBasic]

"Better" meaning what exactly? Looks getting better or worse with age can apply to both men and women. As for things like finances then men do get more financially secure the older they get. Not always but it usually happens with time, obviously.

[CarolinaCutie5]

So true and you're a wise man at your age. Men get better I feel in looks and finances as they get older. With the money they're able to afford tip doctors, trainers, better foods to make them look better @UniquelyBasic

[Passerby2]

Yes and no. Men become more attractive due to increased experience, resources and a more chill personality than when they're very young (15-20). But once a man's actual sperm quality starts to deteriorate (for sure above 35) he simply becomes less attractive year by year. And given the younger man (20-30) is mature, he's going to get all the pussy.

[Snakeyes7]

This is a pretty broad question. I think the correct thing is that women are the most attractive in their 20s while they are young and their biological clock is still going. Men are most attractive later than that once they actually figure out how to navigate life.

Men go for youth, beauty and fertility while women go for confidence, disagreeableness, and status. That's the way it is.

[Dongethurt]

Because it's true and obvious - only women think they age well because other women lie to them. Reality is after 21 it's down the hill you go until your at the bag of bones bottom. Men however, peak at about 45 before attractiveness begins to decline. It is because the things that make men and women attractive are different. With age, men will be more refined, accomplished and experienced whilst women will be less youthful, agreeable and soft with age.

[CarolinaCutie5]

They definitely lie to each other then when you have women like me who is honest they get mad 🤣

[Anonymous]

The things that make women desirable and valuable to men decrease with age beginning in their early 20s.

The things that make men desirable and valuable to women typically don't begin to manifest until their late 20s or early 30s but increase from that point forward until at least their 40s. Some studies say 50.

[molonski2]

There is absolutely NO Doubt , I can assure you , that women do not age as well as men , just horrendous , you will see at your school reunion.. eventually.

[Anonymous]

Men decline in fertility to you dimwit of a "I must know why men are always dumping me" but if you had any brain cells left in your head, you'd know that.

[Opinion Owner]

PS.

Why you demanding explanation every time a dude throws you out? The cat took your tongue in the other. I really wanna know why some of you people do that.

[CarolinaCutie5]

Are u upset because your eggs have expired and you have no kids and no husband?

[Opinion Owner]

Lol, denying to answer I see. Shouldn't be projecting like this.

[Opinion Owner]

Ps. Why can't you just move the fuck on after being dumped acter

[Opinion Owner]

*dumped after a couple of days each time?

You're refusing to let me know you little projector of a troll.

[avery58]

Sperm quality declines with age too, did you know that?

[CarolinaCutie5]

Men can still have babies. Sperm is sperm

[Makeushiver]

Maybe this should be a question so maybe I'll do that & this will be more info.
\Does the flavor seem to change? Better or Worse

Also curious about any qualitative or quantitative changes? Thanks dor any commentsbeside the ones named. If yiu

[avery58]

Yeah okay, hope you get picked soon and that by your own logic your husband won't leave you for a hotter younger woman when you turn 40

[avery58]

@Makeushiver utswmed.org/medblog/older-fathers-fertility/

[exitseven]

lot of guys become wealthy as they get older. this makes them more attractive to females. The rest of us not so much.

[beenherebefore]

Is not 100% accurate. I’ve seen Men who look finished after 40.

[Phoenix98]

It's 100% on the fertility aspect but when it comes to looks it can kind of depend lifestyle and genetics both play a huge role in that.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'm pretty sure both decline with age unless properly taken care of or of course really good genes but for the most part people are also expiring

[WonderingManII]

I think the way a man's body is built, it tends to age better.

[CarolinaCutie5]

I agree

[Twalli]

The older a woman get the less likely she'll be able yo reproduce, but the older a, man us, the higher chance anybody he fathers will have birth defects.

[beefcakebradybatson]

And Yours Truly is the poster boy for that truism. How many hot 72-year-old broads have you seen lately?

[CarolinaCutie5]

🤣🤣🤣

[Anonymous]

I believe men and women just have different prime attractive years. For men its like 28-42 and women its 16-30.

[Opinion Owner]

Men's fertility declines after 40. Men and women shouldn't be having kids after 40

[LiamJHayden]

Some do, some don't for the men and part one for the women.

Part two for the women is biological reality.

[CuriousMufuxka]

I'll vote yes but say no. Yep that'll work. Just remember not to type out your thoughts and click send like last time!

[msc545]

Men age like fine wine; women age like milk.

[CarolinaCutie5]

🤣🤣

[On_cloud_wine]

…. Don’t mske me cry

[MasterKS]

cock won't get erected while pussy gets wet. you can assume!

[SotiCoto]

Nope. Men rot away too. Everyone worsens with age.

[TheKillerJason]

Men get richer, woman get fatter

[an_nMary]

Lol that’s not true

[fish5505_87]

Absolutely! lol!

[Sam1133]

Its universal truth

[qwerty2469]

A scientific fact