I think you raised a very good question. It will be good to actually make it into a poll and see everyone's views.
It boils down to the question below.
Entertainment vs Service, who deserves to be paid more?
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this. We need both.
Maybe some feel that as gamers/Youtubers do not require any paper qualifications or working experience like as for doctors, engineers, and other services, they don't deserve the amount of money they made nor the reputation they received.
However, we do have to admit that gamers and Youtubers spent a lot of time trying to perfect their "craft". The YouTubers/gamers that we knew, that made it at the top, that received tons of cash, are really only a selected and fortunate few. There are millions of others that don't, living end-to-end, can't meet rent payments, etc. Getting a Youtube acct and uploading videos are not that difficult. Trying to create interesting or unique videos that attract people by the thousands, or even millions is the real challenge. The person has to spent on quality vid and sound equipment, editing software, etc. Then subscribers also expect new videos to be generated regularly, where some YouTubers do put up videos everyday. A simple 10-min clip could take hours to create, from editing to up downloading, depending on fast and efficient the equipment are. So, do give them some appreciation on their effort. I for one, loved Youtube. It's just amazing the range of videos that are available.
Not all YouTubers make a ton of money. Personally I think that a person deserves what they work for, it's not easy doing what they do. Anyone who's in that market can tell you so. Of course doctors and engineers should probably make more, but the difference is that YouTubers are self-employed. They earn what they make for themselves, not like doctors and engineers who usually have a fixed salary. Most YouTubers, especially with YouTube's new regulations, make jack shit out of AdSense. A lot of them get one of three things: sponsorships, brand deals or a patreon page. They're not all millionaires, I'd say that's just the top 1 to 3% of content creators.
Do you think it is fair that actors and sports stars get more than social workers and teachers? It is a silly question.
Monetary compensation is based on what people are willing to pay for the services rendered. If people want to pay a baseball player more than a teacher that is, in part, because the skills to be an excellent baseball player are harder to come by, generally speaking, and people want to watch good baseball players.
"Fair" is a four letter word and the problem is that there is no way to measure a moral metric. We measure an economic metric through price, scarcity and the laws of supply and demand. That is a material assessment, not a moral one.
To address the latter, there would have to be some way to measure the worth of a teacher as against a social worker as against a statesman as against a ballplayer and so on. Suffice to say, if you can devise a metric to measure that, then you can begin to pay people on moral terms. However, such terms are notoriously hard to define and people will apt to weigh them differently even where there is general agreement.
Frankly, I would not pay anyone to play an electronic game. However, apparently there are some skills required to play such games well and a sufficient number of people found it sufficiently entertaining to pay for it.
So I will apply a moral principle. I will not begrudge to someone there good fortune.
This is not a fair comparison.
That is ONE gamer who made 3mil playing a game. There are millions of gamers in the US alone, millions more in Europe and Asia, and the overwhelming majority do it only as a hobby. Hopefully this kid doesn't complete waste his good fortune and puts that money toward something meaningful, though given society's trends, I am skeptical.
As far as YouTubers and streamers- that functions pretty much exactly the same way as the television industry does; if you are popular and get endorsements or advertisers, then why shouldn't you be able to reap the profits? The problem I have with these channels is more with the idiots who make them popular and actually "donate" money out of pocket to watch people play video games, or spout their political views, or do dumb stuff for attention.
In regards to video games, I have said countless times that I despise esports and the effect it has had on gaming. Too many people now take video games way too seriously, and developers have abandoned game quality for monetization. Games are supposed to be fun and they are failing miserably in this regard. Physical sports have gone somewhat the same route- almost nobody plays sports recreationally anymore because school and pro leagues are the only things anyone cares about, and athletes are doing it more for the fame or fortune than love of the game.
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I think it's not fair because doctors worked hard to be where they are at now. They went to college for 8 years to save people lives and still get paid less than gamers. Doctors is one of the main contributors besides engineers and lawyers to society because not only they help people but they also save lives.
How do you define "fair", in this case? You seem to be insinuating that, because the YouTuber isn't doing as much work (or you think they aren't doing as much work) as the doctor or their skills aren't completing the same kinds of tasks, that they shouldn't get whatever money they earn.
If a billionare wins the lottery--which is a game of pure chance--do think you that's unfair because people less fortunate should have gotten that prize money instead? If so, you're operating on the "outcome" version of fair: the billionare should be made to forfeit their earnings because they already have enough, whereas less fortunate people should be given something to decrease their undesirable situation. When people use this version of fair, they appeal to some sort of cosmic scale that is constantly in need of re-balancing because some have more and others have less.
Do you think it's unfair that people in high-paying, high-stress professions make 6+ figure incomes and most the country operates below the poverty line? Do you think it's fair that professional quarterbacks get multimillion-dollar contracts just for throwing a leather-wrapped wad of plastic across a field? The answer to ALL of these questions, according to most people in most countries, is "yes. If they earned it, they deserve it." What's the alternative, fixed government payouts so that everyone has the same amount of resources to work with and no one is better off?
1. Define fair. What does fair even mean in this context?
2. Let's not act like doctors and engineers are poor now, because gamers/youtubers are doing well in their own right. Doctors, engineers and so on will always have a purpose and they will continue to make good money. Gamers making money does not take away from that.
3. Who are we to say what the market wants? The only way for gamers/youtubers to make that money is to generate a substantially higher amount of money for others, by pleasing willing customers. If they bring in millions of dollars for other companies who are willing to pay them 1 million for minimal effort. Who are we to say they don't deserve that? They made that money for another company. They totally deserve to get that level of pay.
Fair is understanding the rules of the game and playing within the rules. They are playing by the rules of the market and there's nothing unfair about them doing well through their chosen field of money making. I'm not about to say it's unfair that someone makes good money, when they played by the rules and didn't cheat anyone to make that money. Unfair would be stealing. Unfair would be using the government as a tool. Unfair would be sabotaging someone elses business in order to make your money as the only game in town. They didn't do any of that.
everyone has a talent hidden somewhere within them... and if that talent can be realized and put to use for personal gain, there is nothing wrong with it...
no matter who we are or where we are, the talents that we may exhibit can be either worthless or very valuable, and it all depends on how the talent is used or how much demand there is for that talent, that determines how much gain we can get from it... sometimes the value of the talent is determined by timing... having it at the right place at the right time!
some of these doctors and engineers that may be feeling jealous because a gamer makes more than they do, could have chosen a different profession, or could change their profession anytime they want to, so it really isn't a matter of fair, but a combination of talent, effort and luck...
in addition, the gamer won 3mil, which is a once in a lifetime windfall, where as the doctor or engineer can make many times this in their lifetime if they become the best at what they do and learn how to capitalize on it...
Yes, see what you forget to mention is that this ‘kid’ also practiced relentlessly for this whole season (34 days) studying the map, locations where items drop, as well as practicing relentlessly for up to 16 hours a day. Hell, but that doesn’t mention the practice he puts in before the season starts. Ontop of that, doctors can graduate with less than perfect scores. Many doctors can get a job while still being unqualified. Hell take it from me, a kid who had testing done for a heart surgery the day before, only to have a delay on the bloodwork, and an unqualified nurse taking blood from me and a child. Furthermore, the same hospital rescheduled the surgery 30 minutes before we were expected to go home the day before the surgery taking 6 days to tell us the next date. Engineers also can get jobs despite being ignorant on things, take the Boeing planes for example. Furthermore, doctors, engineers etc aren’t competing against over a million others for 1st place. This ‘kid’ did. Competing against others that he had to overcome to win. Your mentioned professions do not. Unless of course you think getting hired for a position that has seen a decline in is really as difficult.
No. But it's not that simple. It is true that making a living from playing games or uploading random stuff on the internet is common nowadays, but take in consideration that out of all the accounts on YouTube, only a small percentage gets paid a significant sum. It is very hard to make money from YouTube. Especially since 2015.
That's when services like Patreon come into play. The vast majority of content uploaders earn money from platforms like Patreon, where people choose to donate to a content creator, and get exclusive content in return.
So, yeah, it does bug me that someone that sits in their chair gets more money than someone who risks their life on a daily basis, but the fact that they earn such money os not that frightening. It's more frightening to realise that there are people who would pay a lot of money to watch such content. I wouldn't be mad if the majority of creators did educational videos, but this is not the case. On the contrary, educational content is less than 10% uploaded every day.
I mean, yes, I know there's work involved into making a video, the equipment and all, but it's still not right. That money would be better off in the pocket of a fireman in my opinion.
Depends on the criteria for fair. You could argue that doctors deserve more money because they work harder and help more people but I don't see what a reasonable solution for that would be. Force people to pay more for already expensive medical expenses?
Also, if look look at things on a per transaction basis I think doctors are still valued more. Take a youtuber for example and consider each view a transaction, they make something like $3 for every 1000 views or basically a fraction of a cent per view and the end customer or viewer technically doesn't even pay anything to watch the video. If you had to start paying money to watch YouTube videos would you still watch them? Probably not.
Now I don't know what a doctor would make for seeing a single patient or performing a single procedure but I would bet that its considerably more than a fraction of a cent and we are willing to pay more to see a doctor than we are to watch a YouTube video. So based on what we are willing to pay to go see a doctor vs what we are willing to pay to watch a YouTube video (nothing) I think we do value doctors more.
Now where the YouTuber benefits is in the volume of transactions. While a doctor is limited in the number of patients they can see or procedures they can perform in a year, a YouTuber can potentially get hundreds of millions of views on their videos each year and if you take a fraction of a cent and multiply it by 100 million it ends up still being a good chunk of change. That and if you take into account merch sales and sponsorships, but it all comes down to the number of people the YouTuber reaches. If a doctor could see millions of patients in a year they would make far more than any YouTuber or celebrity, but its just not possible.
Honestly I do think it is a but ridiculous that with so much s*** happening in the world that could be using money to help solve or fix we are just tossing it to some kid who can play a video game well. Dont get me wrong I love video games & mad props to this young man for owning at this tournament & making all the other players his b***** & he should keep doing what he loves & owning at it & we should be able to make money perusing anything that we live no matter what it is I think but $3m is a little bit excessive I think, and this is only 1 tournament out of who knows how many for so many video games every year. If I had the money that these companies have I would just use the money I have a little bit smarter so that it not only benefits the fans & people who love & use my products but to help those who can't even afford food & water let alone an xbox one or ps4 or a computer. Who knows maybe one day one of them will be the next Fortnite champion because they were able to eat & drink because someone helped them when they had little to nothing.
Gamers/Youtubers are investing their time to make profit. They’re networking via social streams like Twitch and Mixer. They’re developing new skills and giving lots of insight to viewers.
People choose to invest their time pursuing professions in the medical/engineering field because it’s a passion... just like gamers/Youtubers love video games and making videos on certain topics. You can make lots of money without going to college, but some professions require an academic degree so it’s up to the person what they want to do. A teenage boy wanted to make money by playing Fortnite and competing in the tournament. It takes lots of practice to become the best gamer.
I would bet you that teenage boy put as much dedicated effort into being good at that game as much as most doctors, engineers, or lawyers have into their craft.
Of course he won that tournament and has won a prize through hard work, but he doesn't necessarily have the future is stable income one of those other professionals do. He will have just as much effort before him to make a career out of gaming and his career choice is much riskier by comparison.
That being said, I think this is perfectly fair. If you don't, just try accomplishing what he has. I bet you'll find the time and effort needed to build you skill in a particular game to that point daunting.
Making enough money from youtube to be at the same amount of money a doctor or engineer makes is so much more difficult then it takes. You not only have to be lucky, but the dedication you need to put in to become a famous gamer or YouTube takes a big commitment. However, it might not be fair that some people get to play games and make videos about their passion while others have to work hard to earn money, but even so its important the realize the no matter how hard you try, life will never be 100% fair.
You see the teenage boy winning 3 million dollars by playing Fortnite
This boy is the tip of the iceberg.
What you don't see is the rest of the iceberg, the much larger portion of the iceberg just below the water's surface: the hundreds of thousands of teenagers trying to make it big as gamers or YouTubers but who have to live out of shoe boxes, beg their parents for money, and eat instant Ramen for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and who will most likely never get anything out of their endeavors other than chicken feed.
Yes it is totally fair! The market for each profession is set based on many factors.
What self-righteous people like you need to get over is... entertainment to the masses pays more money than almost any other field of work.
But that entertainment money at the top level is also very high risk, and there aren’t nowhere near as many people making big money like that in entertainment... in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of doctors in a nation.
Anyone who makes big entertainment money took a huge risk to pursue that route, so they should be awarded accordingly because the money is there to pay them. Each top level entertainer get a bigger slice of the economic pie.
YES IT IS FAIR. Doctors usually are employed with a fixed salary and gamer/Youtubers are self employed and have to actually build their assets from the ground up.
Also your statement about the teenage boy who won $3M from playing Fortnite, you can't take the most successful gamer/Youtuber and think that they all make the same as him, that's not how self employment works. PewDiePie has a net worth of $30M, meanwhile there are Youtubers making videos in their parent's basement and not making jack shit.
What's not fair about it? Should we also pay the McDonald's employee 3 mil for having to work double shifts dealing with the insanity of customers all day? If someone thinks that you are worth paying X amount of dollars for doing whatever you're doing, they will pay that. That 3 mil for that kid comes from promotions and events and sales of the game which will lead to more sales and more competitions that will only bring that company more profit----so 3 mil for them is a drop in the bucket as compared to what they are making off of that one event. Most of us have the option in life to do things that will pay us more money but many never try them, don't want to, are afraid to, can't afford to, or fail at them because life at it's core is not designed to be fair to anyone.
No, but life isn't fair. In this case, it's supply and demand. Also, those gamers practised A LOT. If anyone could do what they did, there wouldn't be that much money in it. Same goes for YouTubers. You might think they are awful and that anyone could do what they do. You are absolutely correct that they are awful, but if you could do what they do, why don't you? Probably because growing a channel like that isn't easy. Putting yourself out there like that isn't easy (which is probably why most of them seem to be narcissists).
You should compare it to other competions. The doctors and engineers will aquire millions during their careers, that boy may never win another contest and he was world best at fortnite at that time, and it's not a small feat. As a engineer it hard to claim I am world best at it, there is simply no way to determine that, not that I think I would be the one way to many engineers to think there isn't a better one out there.
It's all supply and demand. You get what others are willing to pay. The reason professional athletes (including gamers) make so much is because of 1) How much revenue they bring in and 2) With that revenue what their employers are willing to pay them to keep that revenue coming in. Other professions don't bring in as much so they don't get compensated with higher earnings. In order for doctors to get paid more they'd have to start charging more for their services and everyone is already bitching and complaining how expensive health care is as it is.
are you jealous or just curious about our opinions?
personally I don't care about
"whos who & what's what" if you get the meaning behind the saying
but back to your question
I personally think he deserved the $ since he did win
a job is a job regardless of it's physical or not
there are small time fighters who earn $200-$500 per fight in these underground circuits but you have to be the creme of the crop
I don't hear anybody hating on some low teir fighter earning $500 for a 8 minute scrap & that's mostly likely because his "Job" comes off as "Legit" or "Manly" "becuze HeZ fighting!"
a job is a job at the end of the day
I know what you mean morally it doesn’t feel right... but the thing is most of the sponsors and people who give in to all of this truly benefits from it. And mostly no one does anything for moral reasons in business these days and they treat those of doctors and every other important occupation as business. Sucks but just how it is.
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