Should “social and emotional learning [feelings]” be a part of school math curriculums?

[Anonymous]

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HELL NO

No

MAYBE

Yes

HELL YES

[Anonymous]

i would have loved to learn how to deal with my feelings instead of bottling them up... so yeah. the social part, no. there is enough socializing in school already.

[Asker]

Ok, but as @annabananna said in her opinion: that “is better suited in a psychology or social studies lesson than math.”

[Opinion Owner]

okay, and? ?

[Asker]

This question was “Should “social and emotional learning [feelings]” be a part of school math curriculums?”

[Opinion Owner]

i voted yes... does my answer not clearly point in that direction?

[Asker]

I figured you were the “Yes” vote out there, but my comments were in reply to you saying you would have loved to have recved instruction on how to deal with your feelings…

My thoughts about this: I guess some specific course MAYBE COULD be given in schools to teenage students by a mental health professional/counselor — WITH parental approval and NOT integrated into other subjects’ teaching like math.

[annabananna]

Sounds like it is better suited in a psychology or social studies lesson than math.

[Asker]

Definitely…if it’s done at all — maybe as an elective course to appropriate course-to-age kids with parental approval.

Some kids are confused enough just learning “bare bones” math (and other school subjects).

[annabananna]

I’m not against it being done. I think we need to teach kids about bullying and the golden rule and that was done when I was a kid but I just don’t see how it is math.

[Asker]

Uh huh.
See my last reply to @subarugirl under her opinion.

[Subarugirl]

@annabananna as I said previously, at lower grade levels most subjects are lumped together, social skills math and reading. It’s not until you get to higher grade levels that there is more distinction between different subjects

[Asker]

@Subarugirl
There currently are no Pink Yes & Hell Yes votes in the poll, can you please select one of these?

[annabananna]

I don’t remember subjects being lumped together where I went to school but every school is different.

[Guy13]

Numbers do not have feelings nor do accountants.

[Asker]

Please vote in this question’s poll.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Hell no, that's not mathematics.

[loveslongnails]

Everything you DO in school can be considered "social learning". What does that have to do with mathematics?

[Nikki1989]

Not a bad idea, but what does that have to do with math?

[CaptainSmartass]

Nope. Maths is about numbers and shapes and all that jazz. Feelings have no place in a fact-based subject area.

Simples...

[gorydetails]

Absolutely not. That is my job as a parent, not the state's.

[Subarugirl]

Then do it yourself, and if you dont want a state education don't send your child to a state school.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl where do you get the audacity to claim the state can overstep its bounds above parents? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Subarugirl]

I claimed no such thing. I said that you shouldn't send your child to a school that teaches things you dont want taught to your child. I don't believe in Catholicism, and I dont want my child taught in school about it so I dont send my child to a catholic school.
What would be dumb is sending my child to a catholic school and then complain about them teaching things I dont like...

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl All of this emotional learning Bullshit is new garbage thought up by some pinhead leftist bureaucrat.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl and I'll gladly take my kids out of public schools. You going to reduce my taxes accordingly?

[Subarugirl]

Emotional intelligence and regulation is an important part of education and part of social skills. It is and will be taught in any school setting weather you like it or not. Because children need to learn it.
That isn't how taxes work, you dont get to stop paying taxes for public services that you do not use.

A portion of your taxes go towards the public school system, the same way a portion goes towards public transportation, public libraries, public parks, roads, and public assistance programs regardless of whether you use them or not.
I have been paying taxes that goes towards public education since I was 16 years old even though neither my nor my siblings, nor my child has never attended a public school.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl Actually it won't be taught in schools whether I like it or not. I pay for the schools, I have a say in how they are run.

If you want to fuck around and tell me I have to take this bullshit from the schools, you'll find out that's exactly how it works.

[Subarugirl]

Lol hon, it already is. What do you think that kindergarteners are taught? I am not telling you have to. You get to chose where you send your children to school, and you do not any more say in how schools are run than anyone else in your school district. The same way you dont get to dictate what routs busses take just because you pay your taxes.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl lol, my kids are out of that shit and my wife - who is a kindergarten teacher refuses to comply. And I do get a say. school boards can be replaced, governors can make laws like DeSantis has to get rid of the horseshit. Legislatures can make teaching this BS illegal.

[Subarugirl]

You think that teaching emotional regulation is bullshit and should be illegal? Lol 😂
Your kids are out of what? You’re profile says you're 27 so unless you started having kids in you’re teens, your children would be in first or second grade at most.

I never said you didn’t get a say, I said you get as much say as anyone else does.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl Listen, I’m sorry you’re such a shitty parent you can’t teach emotional regulation to your children. But the rest of us manage quite well.

[Subarugirl]

Oh not at all, my son has more emotional intelligence than most men I have met. While your concern would have been touching if it was authentic, I doubt you're the leading expert of on emotional regulation based on how emotional you have been thus far.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl lmao.

[Subarugirl]

I know I think it's amusing as well.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl I'm sure you do.

[Subarugirl]

It is a curious fact that people are never so trivial as when they take themselves seriously.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl thanks for that dime store philosophy.

[Subarugirl]

I've never of anyone refer to Oscar Wilde's writings as dime store philosophy but if that is the kind of education you give your children that would make a lot of sense.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl hilarious.

[Subarugirl]

No actually, that is pretty sad

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl Not as sad as someone who thinks she gives up her parental rights to a government school.

[Subarugirl]

You seem to be struggling to understand. I never said that. I said you get to chose what you want your child is taught, so don’t send your kids to a school that teaches things you don’t want your child taught. Haha it’s not complicated.

What’s sad is believing that if a school teaches something your don’t agree with that some how takes away your parental rights… choose a better school.

[gorydetails]

@Subarugirl you absolutely said that. As I said, my kids go to better schools where there isn’t nonsense leftist indoctrination. And they’re smart enough to call out the bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Logic and emotion should never be mixed up.

[Asker]

Did you vote “HELL NO”?

[Subarugirl]

social and emotional learning should be a part of school curriculum, emotional maturity and intelligence is important skill that sadly many are lacking in.

[Asker]

Are you a teacher?
And do you think that that learning should be a separate course and NOT part of math instruction?

[Subarugirl]

At lower grade levels, there is crossover on most subjects. Math reading writing and social skills are tightly intertwined in grade school and that is generally a good thing.

[Asker]

When you add social things into reading/writing/arithmetic there is too much risk for abuse…

What if a school wants to promote their “social philosophy” on things that is in opposition to the philosophies of the various families of the students being taught in the school?

[Subarugirl]

Then the parent should pick a school that aligns with what is taught at that school.
Social skills are huge part of learning, that is primarily what kindergarten is. Evidence based learning is what schools are there to teach, not just how to add and subtract but how to productive members of society, how to exist in social and professional environments, how to communicate and work with others.

[Asker]

Most parents don’t have the financial means to get their children to another school that is not in the area in which they live.

What is “evidence based learning”?

[Subarugirl]

And most parents do not have an issue with teaching their children social skills. Parents get to choose where their children goes to school. If they dont like a specific school or what is taught in a specific school they have the option to choose something different.
Evidence-based learning and teaching is a technique to conceptualize how to take decisions to improve learning and teaching, based on tangible evidence offered by either scientific literature and experiments, or by data and information obtained through various procedures.

[Asker]

I am NOT a parent but I am ok with teaching these types of basic values in kindergarten & elementary school…



en.m.wikipedia.org/.../All_I_Really_Need_to_Know_I_Learned_in_Kindergarten

But discussing students’ personal family parental/financial/etc situations and the students’ sexualities & gender identities, and whether the students have ever been oppressed or experienced racism; and ESPECIALLY how students “FEEL about all of this should be OFF LIMITS/NOT HAPPEN in schools.

And, I will slightly modify what @loveslongnails expressed in his opinion: “What do ‘feelings’ have to do with mathematics or other school-taught subjects?”

[Subarugirl]

because more than math and reading are taught in school, and emotional intelligence and learning how to exist in social setting are important skill sets that children also learn in school. It is important for children. Learning how to regulate your emotions in a healthy way is a very important part of development that a lot of people today are lacking in.

[loveslongnails]

You DO realize that the schools you pay for are usually the ones that HAVE a specific agenda, rather than public schools?

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails yes, I am fully aware, the point is you get to chose which agenda aligns with what you want taught to your child. Even families who homeschool their children, do so because they have an agenda.

[loveslongnails]

Of course they do, but it creates other issues which need to be examined thoroughly when you home school.

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails The point is that any education is going to have an agenda

[loveslongnails]

I don't agree with that. I would grant you that many forms of education do, perhaps most, but not "all or any". I could debate this with you at length but this is not the format. I've a degree in Elementary Ed with a focus on Development Studies, and while I realize a degree doesn't mean I'm THE authority, I've studied this more than most. The agenda part comes in IF you're trying to teach someone "what to think", rather than different ways to go about thinking and arrive at your own conclusions, based on the most truthful and accurate information available. You would even include inaccurate information, completely different viewpoints, etc. The only agenda then is to digest all the data you have available and make your own decisions.

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails All forms of education do have an agenda. When teaching math, the agenda is to learn math, there could also be more than that but there is always some sort of agenda.

[loveslongnails]

That's certainly not what I thought we are talking about, S-girl. I thought we were talking about "slant" or spin, like a Christian school would have an agenda. Or a school in the deep South would have a specific agenda when teaching history about the Civil War, for example, with that agenda being "we fought it for states' rights" and ignoring the slavery factor.

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails well we were talking about agendas. Did you mean something else?

[loveslongnails]

To clarify, it makes no sense to say " I'm getting an education in music because my agenda is to learn music". The agenda part comes in if, for example, you were in a private school learning music and the only thing they taught you beyond sight reading was classical music because they believed "it's the only good music there is". That's an agenda.

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails Lol actually that makes perfect sense.