True enough. She looked good in the movie and it made loads of money in the theater, so I guess everyone involved wins.
Obviously I was being tongue-in-cheek when stating "suffer", but Disney really has done a substandard job with the Star Wars franchise, unfortunately. Oh well. It is what it is.
I think they purposely tried to hold back on captain Marvel. she will be awesome in Endgame.. better than this movie. they tried to make it mediocre on purpose
@JamesRandiDebates Yes the Russo brothers said this in a q and a. In Infinty War they said if a character was lacking in their performance then they will be a force to be wreckoned with in endgame. Think of Iron Man in infinity war he gave all that he got and now in the trailers for endgame he's in a damn space ship and can't help the avengers down on earth.
like think of it lets say captain marvel exposed her at her full powers and capacity in this movie. then we would already know that itll be her beating thanos which is boring. ur not gonna expect what shell do in endgame.
I don't think it had anything to do with mgtow and the fact that the movie could have simply been better. Similar to the most recent DC and Marvel movies. Even though I'm half African, I genuinely don't think that Black Panther was that good. It sold well, but the message was strewn. Captain Marvel just didn't prove to be as good as it seemed it should have.
Women who think this have never read comics, which is fine. They have also never taken a casual interest in stuff other people like, which is lame but also fine. Preaching at people about a hobby you're not into and don't know about? NOT fine.
Female heroes have been extremely important in Marvel comics for decades. There are lots of them. They have held the most important positions in the highest prestige groups in the best series. The only reason more of them haven't had their own series is that readership has mostly been male and most writers are male. And no, this isn't a chicken/egg issue where the male-dominated culture scared girls away from the comic shop. If you are younger than 50 years old you grew up with a vibrant culture of underground comics and non-superhero content, and you ignored it.
The truth is that women don't reliably follow comics marketed at them, they don't care about comics written for women by women, they just don't very often like the format. The only reason most women are aware that Captain Marvel exists at all is that the MCU has become a social justice issue. If any of it really mattered to you lot, this thread about be about Jean Grey.
Movies should be about good storys. Not political messages and gender quotas. I like seeing female superheroes. They often offer a diffrent perspective or a new problems and ways dealing with them. Their story's and journeys can be interestingly unique. But as soon as you start interjecting political messages or ideals into a story, The movie pulls away from a story of tragedy or a harrowing journey and becomes a cinematic romp through political talking points. Not to mention the effect it has of dividing the audience and hampering immersion in the story.
@Ogopogo I would say female heroes and villains. I always loved Deathstrike.
As for what you say about comic books, you are right. Traditionally, it was just for men and boys. But nowadays things are different. And our culture is changing to reflect the reality. Not sure what this means for the future. But GaG isn't a very forward thinking forum. Real discussions about our society and where it is heading don't usually get much participation. We simply have political fights where we call each other names.
@SentientBrick The weird thing is that movies have always been political. I don't know why you would say they haven't been.
X-Men is nothing but politics, from beginning to end. Even going back to the comics.
I think the issue is whether or not it offends you. Or comes up on your radar. But there were plenty of folks angry about X-Men because of its analogy of race relations in America.
@RolandCuthbert There's a difference between having a subtle criticism of some social problem or situation, versus outright social justicism. The fine line is when you can't be sure the author really intended for the subtlety to be there, but it still is there. That's when you're doing it the right way. X-Men is definitely one of those. Watching it won't make you constantly think about "how people who are different are treated differently than the majority" because you'll be more busy thinking about how they're fighting this "other minority faction". You can't make the same, clear-cut comparisons like you can with Captain Marvel.
@cykasenpai Wait a minute. The X-Men comic was subtle criticism? It may have been poorly done but the whole comic was about hunting down mutants for being mutants. That’s why the “sentinels” were created. That’s where the villains come from. Scientists who experimented upon mutants and politicians who campaigned for the creation of a registration program. But I guess it all depends upon what you think is right or wrong. That point is important too.
I think X-men didn’t register on your radar because you probably didn’t see any correlation to race relations. Like if the same comic was done but depicting African-Americans as all the mutants and “White” Americans as evil humans it would have left you highly upset.
How many times have mutants tried to kill humanity or wiped out thousands in the comics or just presented a threat by thrir existence? Magneto, Jean Grey, scarlet witch, onslaught, appocolapse, Vulcan, professor x, legion and others.
And how many times did the X-men save the world? And it wasn't just that, the X-Men saved the world from many non-mutant threats, like the Cyborgs, the Juggernaut, the Adversary, the Sentinels actually turn on mankind, remember? Its basically where the Matrix gets its framework. The humans create the Sentinels to exterminate the mutants, then the Sentinels turn on mankind and begin to exterminate all humans since humans are obviously even more inferior to them than super-powered mutants. It is just the evolution of the supremacist doctrine most villains in Marvel cling to. But you probably just watch the flicks, you don't seem to know much about actual comics the movies are based upon.
Can't wait for the studio to give this villain a look.
The Adversary is a demon who was initially summoned by the X-Men member Forge several decades ago and has since come back to antagonize the X-Men and threaten the entire world.
The mutants endanger the world by their very existence, everytime a mutant has a bad day or can't control their powers people die. The juggernaut is better handled by non-mutant superheroes. The sentinels were created to stop mutants but have been interfered with by evil mutants like Sebastian Shaw. If you read the comics you know tgat mutants like the scarlet witch, Jean Grey and legion litteraly have the power to warp reality, alter time, kill thousands and destroy the world and have done so when they've had a mental breakdown. The xmen were meant to be a parody of the discrimination black people went through in 60s and in modern times the hardships lgbtq people and immigrants face today but fails in that because it demonstrates that yes mutants are dangerous and should be feared and controlled.
Superman endangers the world by his existence. Iron man, the Flash, Green Lantern, Thor, the Hulk, Winter Soldier, the list goes on and on. You do realize you are talking about comic books, right?
The Juggernaut is better handed by who? You mean the writer of the comic book who can make up any story he/she pleases?
In the comics, the X-men handle Juggernaut plenty of times. And they are more adept to deal with him since, no physical force can't stop him. Not even the Hulk can stop him one-on-one. His only weakness is his helmet. When it is removed, he is susceptible to psionic attacks. So Professor X, Jean Grey, Frost, etc. can take him down.
If you read the comics, you would know that the Hulk has actually killed humans. He didn't just endangered them. Winter soldier was an actual assassin who killed innocents. Venom has killed innocent people in grotesque ways.
But that's why we call them comics.
And if they have to be feared and controlled, then so would every superhero in comics. Which, of course is absurd. That would make for a very dull comic.
As for Jean Grey, you simply have no understanding of her powers. She can annhilate an entire planet with a thought. But that power does not come from her. It comes from one of the primal forces in the universe, the Phoenix Force.
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When a trailer is better than the entire movie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFYYa it is released now in March which means it is lower quality and not good enough for summer
I'm glad the movie was terrible. Now you can suffer in sad unison with us Star Wars fans. lol
#MouseEarsDeathStar
I am not in that boat. It wasn't like I lived and breathed Captain Marvel.
It doesn't matter.
She broke a billion bucks in revenue in almost no time at all. Not sure what folks see in that movie.
True enough. She looked good in the movie and it made loads of money in the theater, so I guess everyone involved wins.
Obviously I was being tongue-in-cheek when stating "suffer", but Disney really has done a substandard job with the Star Wars franchise, unfortunately. Oh well. It is what it is.
I think they purposely tried to hold back on captain Marvel. she will be awesome in Endgame.. better than this movie. they tried to make it mediocre on purpose
Do you honestly believe Disney purposely made a movie they wanted to suck?
@JamesRandiDebates
Yes the Russo brothers said this in a q and a. In Infinty War they said if a character was lacking in their performance then they will be a force to be wreckoned with in endgame. Think of Iron Man in infinity war he gave all that he got and now in the trailers for endgame he's in a damn space ship and can't help the avengers down on earth.
he's basicly helpless
like think of it
lets say captain marvel exposed her at her full powers and capacity in this movie. then we would already know that itll be her beating thanos which is boring. ur not gonna expect what shell do in endgame.
@JamesRandiDebates The movie didn't "suck" though.
@Dbwkdncnf Well, the OP said it was mediocre. I shortened that to "suck" for my reply.
Capitan marvel is already OP in this movie. She destroys ships just by passing through them.
@Dionigi OP. As in original poster. In this case fulloflife.
@Dionigi
but she could be better and more powerful and we'll see that in endgame
@JamesRandiDebates they set her up
Yea. I told my University the same thing after my exams.
I haven't seen it yet, but I will go see it. Thank you.
You sound sexist. You MGTOW losers have got to accept that women are able to have lead roles in action flicks and as comic book charcters.
I don't think it had anything to do with mgtow and the fact that the movie could have simply been better. Similar to the most recent DC and Marvel movies. Even though I'm half African, I genuinely don't think that Black Panther was that good. It sold well, but the message was strewn. Captain Marvel just didn't prove to be as good as it seemed it should have.
@ImagineSketchy obviously a case of internalized racism
Whatever helps you justify a less than average movie for such an amazing character.
Well, if you are going to accuse me of being sexist.
Guilty as charged.
Take me to jail.
@RolandCuthbert Pretty sure she's a delusional troll.
She has to be messing with you. No way at all is this serious.
Women who think this have never read comics, which is fine. They have also never taken a casual interest in stuff other people like, which is lame but also fine. Preaching at people about a hobby you're not into and don't know about? NOT fine.
Female heroes have been extremely important in Marvel comics for decades. There are lots of them. They have held the most important positions in the highest prestige groups in the best series. The only reason more of them haven't had their own series is that readership has mostly been male and most writers are male. And no, this isn't a chicken/egg issue where the male-dominated culture scared girls away from the comic shop. If you are younger than 50 years old you grew up with a vibrant culture of underground comics and non-superhero content, and you ignored it.
The truth is that women don't reliably follow comics marketed at them, they don't care about comics written for women by women, they just don't very often like the format. The only reason most women are aware that Captain Marvel exists at all is that the MCU has become a social justice issue. If any of it really mattered to you lot, this thread about be about Jean Grey.
Movies should be about good storys. Not political messages and gender quotas. I like seeing female superheroes. They often offer a diffrent perspective or a new problems and ways dealing with them. Their story's and journeys can be interestingly unique. But as soon as you start interjecting political messages or ideals into a story, The movie pulls away from a story of tragedy or a harrowing journey and becomes a cinematic romp through political talking points. Not to mention the effect it has of dividing the audience and hampering immersion in the story.
@med111111 hmmm. . . perhaps. But GaG is full of crazy folks. So anything is possible.
@Ogopogo I would say female heroes and villains. I always loved Deathstrike.
As for what you say about comic books, you are right. Traditionally, it was just for men and boys. But nowadays things are different. And our culture is changing to reflect the reality. Not sure what this means for the future. But GaG isn't a very forward thinking forum. Real discussions about our society and where it is heading don't usually get much participation. We simply have political fights where we call each other names.
@SentientBrick The weird thing is that movies have always been political. I don't know why you would say they haven't been.
X-Men is nothing but politics, from beginning to end. Even going back to the comics.
I think the issue is whether or not it offends you. Or comes up on your radar. But there were plenty of folks angry about X-Men because of its analogy of race relations in America.
@ImagineSketchy yeah... OP forgot to give a trigger warning so the snow flakes had time to go to their "safe space"...
@RolandCuthbert There's a difference between having a subtle criticism of some social problem or situation, versus outright social justicism. The fine line is when you can't be sure the author really intended for the subtlety to be there, but it still is there. That's when you're doing it the right way. X-Men is definitely one of those. Watching it won't make you constantly think about "how people who are different are treated differently than the majority" because you'll be more busy thinking about how they're fighting this "other minority faction". You can't make the same, clear-cut comparisons like you can with Captain Marvel.
Pretty sure the lead actress presented her self as a bigot... we have had great civil discussion here. Nobody asked for the SJW input.
Cheers,
@cykasenpai Wait a minute. The X-Men comic was subtle criticism? It may have been poorly done but the whole comic was about hunting down mutants for being mutants. That’s why the “sentinels” were created. That’s where the villains come from. Scientists who experimented upon mutants and politicians who campaigned for the creation of a registration program. But I guess it all depends upon what you think is right or wrong. That point is important too.
I think X-men didn’t register on your radar because you probably didn’t see any correlation to race relations. Like if the same comic was done but depicting African-Americans as all the mutants and “White” Americans as evil humans it would have left you highly upset.
www.history.com/.../stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration
www.psychologytoday.com/.../the-racial-politics-x-men
X-Men are a contradiction actually in the end when all things are considered because they prove that humans are right to hate and fear them.
Nah, it actually doesn't. Since without good mutants to protect them humans would have been wiped when Magnet and his crew decided they were evil.
The comic was about the classic view of individualism from the point of view of American society.
Though it has never lived up to that ideal.
How many times have mutants tried to kill humanity or wiped out thousands in the comics or just presented a threat by thrir existence? Magneto, Jean Grey, scarlet witch, onslaught, appocolapse, Vulcan, professor x, legion and others.
And how many times did the X-men save the world? And it wasn't just that, the X-Men saved the world from many non-mutant threats, like the Cyborgs, the Juggernaut, the Adversary, the Sentinels actually turn on mankind, remember? Its basically where the Matrix gets its framework. The humans create the Sentinels to exterminate the mutants, then the Sentinels turn on mankind and begin to exterminate all humans since humans are obviously even more inferior to them than super-powered mutants. It is just the evolution of the supremacist doctrine most villains in Marvel cling to.
But you probably just watch the flicks, you don't seem to know much about actual comics the movies are based upon.
Can't wait for the studio to give this villain a look.
The Adversary is a demon who was initially summoned by the X-Men member Forge several decades ago and has since come back to antagonize the X-Men and threaten the entire world.
The mutants endanger the world by their very existence, everytime a mutant has a bad day or can't control their powers people die.
The juggernaut is better handled by non-mutant superheroes.
The sentinels were created to stop mutants but have been interfered with by evil mutants like Sebastian Shaw.
If you read the comics you know tgat mutants like the scarlet witch, Jean Grey and legion litteraly have the power to warp reality, alter time, kill thousands and destroy the world and have done so when they've had a mental breakdown. The xmen were meant to be a parody of the discrimination black people went through in 60s and in modern times the hardships lgbtq people and immigrants face today but fails in that because it demonstrates that yes mutants are dangerous and should be feared and controlled.
Superman endangers the world by his existence. Iron man, the Flash, Green Lantern, Thor, the Hulk, Winter Soldier, the list goes on and on. You do realize you are talking about comic books, right?
The Juggernaut is better handed by who? You mean the writer of the comic book who can make up any story he/she pleases?
In the comics, the X-men handle Juggernaut plenty of times. And they are more adept to deal with him since, no physical force can't stop him. Not even the Hulk can stop him one-on-one. His only weakness is his helmet. When it is removed, he is susceptible to psionic attacks. So Professor X, Jean Grey, Frost, etc. can take him down.
If you read the comics, you would know that the Hulk has actually killed humans. He didn't just endangered them. Winter soldier was an actual assassin who killed innocents. Venom has killed innocent people in grotesque ways.
But that's why we call them comics.
And if they have to be feared and controlled, then so would every superhero in comics. Which, of course is absurd. That would make for a very dull comic.
As for Jean Grey, you simply have no understanding of her powers. She can annhilate an entire planet with a thought. But that power does not come from her. It comes from one of the primal forces in the universe, the Phoenix Force.
marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Force_(Earth-616)
I agree with your post. Yet I still thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
First Deadpool was better than second Deadpool, in my humble opinion.
i didn't know that movie was trying to be funny. I thought it was a serious movie...
anyways the movie was meh
Yeah, they should have focused on situational comedy. Not in trying to write one-liners. That was just stupid.
This movie was trash. Stop defending it because internet feminists force you to. Wonder Woman was a millions times better.
I saw it today... It SUCKED... Honestly it is average at best. and the worst movie in the MCU
I don't know. Thor 2 sucked and Ironman 3 was horrible.
not as bad as this. i preferred alita battle angel over this
Oh definitely! I paid to go see Battle Angel.
I was invited to this premiere.
my wife wanted to go... and she hated it...
Yeah buy so was gurdians 2, both antman , Doctor strange and thor 1 &2.. And thor 3 was bad to me.
Iron man 3 was also bad.
Guardians 2 was awesome!!!
Is it worth a $5 Tuesday showing or should I wait for the blu-Ray at redbox for $2?
I would just wait to see it for free.
That’ll be a long wait. I don’t get cable
Oh. . . well. Perhaps two bucks at redbox.
I don't even know who Captain Marvel is and I don't have any interested in those kind of movies.
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lolllllllllllllllllll
@fulloflife ____ :D
Imagine caring this much about a fucking comic book movie
You cared enough to come here to post about it.
Captain Flat-Ass will see zero money from my pocket.
with A cup boobs.
Lol good one
Yeah, I didn't go see it for her butt.
It's getting boring, why can't we go back to the love stories or is that just me...
so disappointing. even wonder woman was better. and that wonder woman story was kinda corny
I just thought the ending was too long in WW. That and Steve Trevor hitting that stuff in a couple of days after meeting her.
Movie was ok. Decent plot twist. Comedy was definitely forced at parts.
And I hated that part. Then all the forced feminist stuff in the second half.
Really? The daughter talks her mother into risking her life on a mission. . . really?
I just say it 2 hrs ago and loved it. It did seem weried that they trusted the shapeshifters so quick
I wish they could have flushed that out. The plight of the Skrulls.