🚢 Jack’s Death Was In Vain?

[Rosexøxø]

Hello.. my serving name is @RoseXøxø..

I’m [zero days] free of takes and questions.. lol

Is this an addiction? Probably, but let’s get through this (I’ll be lying if I say last)

LAST take of mine 😂

(I told you I was lying; I don’t know what you’re gonna do about it 🤓).

So here goes:

I think I can see Jack from here

Jack and Rose (let’s be a bit reasonable here- so in the movie version.. actually, I don’t know if they’re real people.. 🤭)

okay in the movie… 😂

they could have survived.

No no… there was door for 2 👐😑

I will share my simple logic on this, and if you have other ideas you’d want to add for fun, feel free to do so in the comments.

I am not sure just How many times I have seen the Titanic, but it feels like it’s been enough ✋.

As a kid viewing it the first time, yes, I didn’t like the outcome. Fast forward. Early teen years, and I figured ONE ☝️ simple way Jack could have survived along with Rose.

If he TRULY wanted to.. amirite 🙄😒

The main cause of HIS death was because he was suffering from hypothermia, due to being in below-freezing, temperature waters.

Rose was on a (pretty-big-if-you-asked-me) door 🚪, staying afloat.

Granted the water was sending them in to shock, probably because they weren’t acclimated, even in the slightest. Yes, we can see how dispersed/ disorganized they were, and how Rose needed to decide for herself just to blow a whistle, to gain the attention of one of the life boats, in order to notice her. If she hadn’t done so… I’m not too confident they would have found her, in their brief rescue for viable people.

So back to the door…

she’s floating on it, and he’s not on it.

He can’t hold on.

Jack sinks (to my surprise, as I thought dead people float, and ice floats? Other people were floating 🧐, so it’s possible he just sank for the dramatic effects, and this would coincidentally/consequentially, reflect the poor story-line and screen play of the film.

My young teenage mind, thought in disgust:

why didn’t he just find a different piece of debris???????????? (<— the question marks are still going… ♾ and they probably will be, by the time everyone reads this take and goes to eat their supper/dinner/ arm in anger, for Jack’s lack of cooperation to just save himself).

I reluctantly, watched the Titanic again.. yesterday evening, and my older self thought of ways that this whole (scene-sequencing and segment, of a 3-ish long hour movie of my life) could have been avoided.

It happens right here, and I want you to catch this:

(1:16- to the end)

(1:16 to the end)

Jack literally says: “this is Bad.”

When I saw- even he could acknowledge it, see the concern in the crew, and with having the knowledge this ship’s existence is/was unprecedented, I thought this would’ve been a GREAT opportune time, for him and her to start planning a successful escape.

I thought about how they were aware of the life boats. Life boats 🛶 are usually filled with some food..

If I were Jack, I would have tried to take as much food-provisions as possible, to secure on the boat- maybe an ideal amount for 30 days? Kind of eye it and judge it, based on the size of the lifeboat.

I would have taken Rose to the boat with some minor clothing, maybe a few matches, and lowered us both into the water. I would have had a rope secured loosely to the boat, so we could drift alongside the ship 🚢 (a good distance), so if the ship were fine, we could trail behind it/ alongside of it, until someone noticed the rope and we boarded, or if a flare was provided, then get noticed and board the ship that way.

That’s if the ship survived and continued on to New York.

If it began to sink, I’d cut the rope and row a safe distance away from it.

(You may be thinking this is too ideal or unrealistic- NO, I swear I’d do this. I’d secure the end of the rope to the lowest part of the railing, so it wouldn’t be obvious to anyone right away).

I’d wait long enough to see if others survived and where they’d row to, or I’d row in the pointed direction of the ship, and continue rowing, while maintaining an eye-view distance ahead of them.

I would, in the hypothetical scenario, keep rowing until I obviously reached New York, or the land closest to access.

From there, telling them of the incident.

Me in real time, researched how far the Titanic was at the point of sinking, and it was just a mere

400, to as little as 370 miles, from shore.

He died at the end of the journey.. such a waste

I did a random (probably unreliable) search on how long it would take to row this distance, and

found in a healthy and speedily/yet reasonable process-

rowers could row 60 miles in a full day;

this is extremely rough because that’s actually for a boat with a sail… so obviously give or take, but by this math,

it can be hypothesized that two rowers could row and cover around 370 nautical miles, at 60 miles a day, and make the entirety of the trip- in just 6 days and around 16-17 hours.

I mean, these numbers really aren’t bad…

It’s not a month or being lost at sea, completely inertial, or

aimless.

It’s just not a bad set of numbers.

Especially, if the Titanic Crew alerted someone of their location and sinking. Surely rowing at this pace, towards land, would be met with rescuers.

All I’m saying is…

if Jack and Rose wanted to survive..

they could have found a way.

AND

if Jack wanted to live with Rose, he could have found a piece of debris.. 🤷‍♀️

After my guessing, I recalled when Jack told Rose about himself being like “a tumbleweed in the wind,” and it made me think: maybe he didn’t have the zeal to fight for his life?

He let the wind lead him right off the ship and to the bottom of the sea.. :[

I try to be considerate of the weather conditions, the high stakes of adrenaline from the commotion, and the knowledge of him and Rose having just had first-time sex together, just minutes before, so maybe it all got to their head? 🤷‍♀️

I can’t say for sure. All I know is, I’m pretty much 85-90% sure, I’d think this way while having been in those circumstances first, but more so with the knowledge, that I’d want to spend the rest of my life with a forbidden lover, whom I was dearly passionate about. 🤷‍♀️

Who knows? Maybe all the drive in him got orgasmed out 😂😭

You guys! He could have lived, I tell you!

I mean, there’s a way, until there just isn’t a way. There’s a way, until a person is officially deceased and can no longer choose another way.. 🤷‍♀️

^^This jester managed to survive, despite the same adrenaline-filled scenario..

So look at this, and tell me there was NOTHING he could float on? 😒

I wish, lmao

Trueeee but his girl Gwen 😭🤧

Let me know if you have any other ideas on how they could have survived, or optimized/ prolonged their survival during this wreckage. ☹️👍

(All images sourced from Google)

[DizzyDesii]

I hate that movie because that wench shouldve died instead. My mom forced me to watch that film at home with her when i was like 5. I held a grudge against that lady for playin that stupidass character until i was 27. Mind you i just turned 28 🤣 Even if they didn't share the door, the dumbnut shouldve slid her ass off and let him slide on. Keep timing eachother (okay your 120 seconds is up! My turn!) fck im gettin mad all over again... I been wanting to fight that character for years

[DizzyDesii]

I only wouldve been happy if he lived OR if they both died. But him dying and then the rescue boat coming immediately after didn't sit right with me

[DizzyDesii]

So happy when she died in the Divergent series

[Rosexøxø]

I swear on everything I know 🙏 would help you fight her lmao

They both seemed too incompetent or passionate enough to live.

She literally said- let’s go tell mother and cal (or whatever his name is), and right there, a part of me died… 🤣

I feel it sis. It’s a vibe.

Tbh, I didn’t even know there was a series. I’ll look for it. I can’t guarantee I’d have the heart to see it.

Hopefully all of our hearts will go on after seeing such cringe and tragedy 😂😭

[DizzyDesii]

And didn't Cal bishass live? didn't he throw someone off the boat to get on

[Rosexøxø]

Lol I think he snuck on pretending a girl was his daughter 😂😭. I can only imagine the trauma of that little girl if she never saw her family again 🤧

[DizzyDesii]

I won't lie that scene was funny as hell. I’d be selfish when it came to death too so i wouldve done something similar to him. But i still can't stand him nor rose

[DizzyDesii]

Even mythbusters did it

[Rosexøxø]

😂 he made me laugh when he said god himself couldn’t sink the ship lmao his voice 😂😭

[Rosexøxø]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJKvL99stU

Sorry I had to 😂👐

I don't know what it was about him. So dorky in some way lol

[DizzyDesii]

I liked him in this

[Rosexøxø]

Awe he looks handsome there 😍🥺. They even have that one doctor from scrubs.

[DizzyDesii]

I cannot staaaaand the dude from Scrubs in this film. You will hate him so much yet he will make you laugh too

[Damian69]

I loved that movie, but it's a movie. There might've been something Jack could've grabbed onto if the titanic sunk in real life. Since it is a movie and everything was scripted, they killed him to evoke sympathy from the audience

[Red-Blaze]

aww... the sight back in time
This thing makes a lot of leaps that dont really work

First "This looks bad" to lets get on a boat and float off and so on, not very likely, first of all you dont know how bad it will go, and second its not like someone runs you on a "How to escape on a boat" also assuming they got rope that long, or can tie a good tie is a big streach, both are city rats not sailors, and honestly the Titanic was huuuge and really tall, you need a hell of a rope to tie the boat to it
And this is while you assume no one see them doing all this and stop them, same with the food and all, you can't just walk into the kitecn and take what ever you like
This also takes the idea of just going to shore, you dont do that, no only navigating at sea is hard, at night for a no seilor that be likely impossible, and the rescue boats go to where it was last called, the pattern from there with the flow, if you try to get back your self you likely to get lost and die in sea much kore then anything

Second I am pretty sure in the movie they got a part going around looking for some debree to get a "this is taken" and "not work", you need to find something big enugth and strong ength to float above the water including your wight, its not like you can find anything

Third, playing hot potato on the door
First that means going on and off that is hard to start of
Second switching places likely kill both, as remmber your at sea, no buildings around the wind is freezeing and if they switch places you just both keep you wears wet and freeze to death

Last its not in vain for the movie, its to make that hope, everyone wants Jack to live, as so many want for the Titanc to have never happen, so many lost there life for vain, if the safty will have been taken, if there was enugth life boats, if the steel was made to spec and not cheap out on, if someone in power taken heed to the ice beargs warning, if the Titanic did not go full speed...
and so on, so many thing roll here and there to create this tragidiy and sure we can look back now and say "This was stupid they could have done better" its too late for it now

Also from reading sounds like the ships was set to keep floating even if 4 (out of its 16) of its cabinets where breached, but 5 (or 6 where) where.. so
https://youtu. be/xJxwvZ5SE_c

[Rosexøxø]

Great perspectives! Some extremely valid, others seem debatable/negotiable.

I think I would have still attempted my plan of action, and I am no sailor, nor do I have any sailing experience, but these were row boats, and I would use common sense of the nose of the titanic being the way and greatest indicator to the nearest shore/landmark. Not only so, waiting a distance away, promotes our chances to follow the crew on their rowboats. That would be optional for Jack and Rose and anyone in their would be circumstance.

The boats were already on ropes with pulley systems, to lower them down, so I would have used that, and they had other ropes and extensions for when they would have had to tie the titanic, upon docking. Anything that would float and be able to tie. (The rope is not absolutely necessary, but I’d look for one). I’m not great at official knots, but I would knot the hell out of the rope 😂😭.

There’s usually food provisions in the boat, so if I didn’t take it from the kitchen, I would have taken the prepackaged and stored food items from the other boats, just next to the boat I’d plan to take on the sea.

I think while they have big chances of dying out at sea on their own, at least their fate is more secured in their own hands, and they have higher chances of surviving longer, than dying in a day, the night of the sinking of the Titanic.

[Rosexøxø]

I really liked your point of Jack’s death not being in vain because it showed others, who probably grew attached to his character, that the titanic had corrupt men who led many to their deaths, ultimately. It’s hopeful and it sparks the feeling that we should be more knowledgeable in those of leadership and final decisions.

I think I’m still disheartened enough to say I’d rather the movie have a different approach, and show Jack and rose to live, but some other beloved character to die, or enough to die, so when someone googles: “was the titanic real.” They would see it.

There are other historical movies based on tragedy, and they give more of the facts?

This movie with Kate Winslet and Leonardo Di Caprio weren’t necessarily historically accurate and more fictional, and purely for entertainment. They covered the big ship, the titanic, but they didn’t cover all the details about it, specifically.

Since that’s indeed the case, I’d prefer the directors have Jack and Rose survive together, as I am a hopeless romantic when it comes to any forbidden, yet passionate lovers. 🤧

[ObscuredBeyond]

Here's what really could've saved the Titanic:

1. It was built to the same specs as the Olympic. Which got hit by icebergs several times, and survived. The only way to sufficiently compromise it to ensure it sunk, was for the boiler room to be sabotaged.

2. The three strongest political opponents to the creation of the Federal Reserve were all on the Titanic. To the Edomite Mafia, descended from the same line of pure evil as the Sanhedrin and the Herods, the fakest of fakes to ever misappropriate the title of "Jewish," that was a golden opportunity to wipe out the last of their credible resistance in the US government. No sooner did they succeed in sabotaging the boiler room, and killing off their opposition, then they convinced Woodrow Wilson to sign the Federal Reserve into existence.

Which Wilson then later left the White House stating that letting the Children of the Devil get their way was the single biggest mistake of his entire presidency, and the greatest regret he'd take with him to the grave.

He even went so far as to say: "With the stroke of a pen, I destroyed America."

Cue property ownership for the average American becoming meaningless. As well as an ever-growing bureaucratic-industrial complex that opines that the new Nimrodian Global World Order is so utterly sacred, that the Bill of Rights deserves to be treated as toilet paper. Cue rights violations from sea to shining sea. Cue dozens of YouTube channels exposing limitless corruption, with so few seeming to notice or care, or have any solutions.

So here's a bright idea: if the three opponents to the Federal Reserve existing had only had the wisdom to know that the same rat bastards who literally created the Bolsheviks wanted them dead, they would have found a secret passageway back to America via boats that led them across into Greenland, then into Canada, and then to America. They would've traveled under aliases, to throw their enemies off scent.

Sensing that their targets had given them the slip, the ne'er-do-wells would've realized that their plans were botched. They would've attempted to bomb a building or something, been caught, been executed, and America would be better off.

The Marxist devils would've called off the sabotage of the Titanic, since there would have been absolutely zero strategic value to killing hundreds by doing so. Getting all the papers to blame it on an iceberg alone only worked, after buying out most journalists. But if their opponents gave them the slip, then lived to prevent the Federal Reserve from ever existing, then there would have been absolutely no point to sinking the Titanic.

So then, the boat would've made a relatively uneventful voyage across the ocean.

In the movie's world, Rose would've then landed, said nuts to everything, found Jack, headed out west, and their life story would read a lot more like Red Dead Redemption 2 than the schlock we got in theaters in 1997.

But given it was the 90s, it probably wouldn't have been told with RDR2 quality writing. Probably something closer to 1968's Shakiest Gun in the West, but with less comedy.

[Chazmatazz269]

The size of the makeshift raft doesn’t indicate buoyancy in the slightest. Jack’s additional weight might have sunk them both. It also would have been very difficult for a privileged woman to help a grown man onto the thing without tipping it over. Most people can’t do this in a properly designed raft of purpose. Don’t get me wrong. The entire idea that men must sacrifice themselves for women or children irks me to no end. However, only complete morons actually believe Jack could have joined Rose at all, let alone safely and easily.
To answer the question, yes Jack’s death was in vain. They never would have made it as a couple. He sacrificed himself for a woman who would NEVER have acknowledged him again once the ship reached shore. She was also likely just another unproductive wealthy asshole to boot. He almost certainly would have contributed more to the economy and society than she would if he’d have saved himself instead of her. I can’t relate to the circumstances without interjecting myself. I have more skills than most. I highly doubt i would put any stranger above myself in a life or death situation.

[DizzyDesii]

Her tits weighed more than skinny ass jack 😂

[Rosexøxø]

@Chazmatazz269 oh for sure. The joke is that they both could fit on that one piece of debris, that’s why I thought he should have gotten a different one, or her even? If that would’ve appeased your gender anger at her? Lol

I’m obviously mad at her and him for poor choices and lack of logic, but I wouldn’t go as far as to make it about their worth and contributions- that’s a bit far into things when I was just looking at their survival and love affair, mostly. Jack was a wanderer with no money and painted as a hobby, so he didn’t contribute anything to society, at that time, and placing that reality next to her reality, you can definitely assume they could both contribute as long as they learned and were willing.

Ofc back then, all women weren’t really helpful in a male ideal sense. They DID however, contribute to keeping humanity alive, and raising children in a gracious way, while being overly submissive to the point some of them could be beaten to a pulp and that was pretty much their entire life (sucks for them).

But yeah, she could’ve broke a gender role or two to help the man she loved.

It’s beyond roles. He died in vain, and they were both stupid.

He made no effort to find other rafts, and she made no suggestion to do so, either.

They both made no effort or suggestion to take a life boat in advance, instead of waiting until the havoc and stampeders had broke forth.

It’s not even devastation. It’s true aggravation lol 😂😭

[lightbulb27]

Yea, chopping up the ship seemed a good idea, but maybe that isn't so easy... thick Irish wood and a lot of stuff gets sucked down with the ship.

If he'd lay ontop or beside her and use body warmth, it would help maintain heat, they'd both be alive today and in senior citizens home. But as it is, Jack was in fact rescued by a well trained Orca that he'd trained in Ireland, he lived on as "Leonardo Decaprio", a vampire that doesn't age very fast and dates girls in their 20's to stay young.

[EbeneezerGoode]

No it was in pain. Not vain. It wasn't a mirror he was on. He wasn't looking at his own reflection. I don't think he even made any vain statements, y'know about how he looked or anything.

[strateguy632]

about door he held it from tipping! it was like sacrifice so she can live above cold water.

about life boat, the crew would interfere if he tried to lower one.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5A6YjRSvR0Q

Jack never didn’t die on the titanic.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

He was a figment if her imagination the whole time.