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Dwayne Wades 12 year old son has decided to change gender and is getting support from his parents. Should children that age be allowed to decide that? (Page 2)
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Although , this is their business my honest opinion is hell to the N O. You don’t know wtf you want or who you are at that age. This whole thing is a big misunderstanding and it’s weird.
I think he's fucking his kid up and doesn't realize it, which is sad to me. Goodwill people just making poor decisions
This basically child abuse
yup.
It would be child abuse if the child is under distress or uncomfortable about something there parent is doing. It would be child abuse to not figure out some way to help the child. But its just my take.
@Hermits-Shell child at twelve can also be comfortable with having sex, getting tattoos and drinking, does that mean they should?
But see those things are potentially harmful to the child. Being trans isn’t harmful to the kid and the kids isn’t going to get sex reassignment surgeries. Women can't even get there tube tied as adults if they have to kids so what makes you think the child is going to get sex reassignment surgery. Your comparing harm to helping a kid.
@Hermits-Shell explain how it helps the kid.
The kid has a different set of mind then cis kids or so what happens is, if they don’t understand themselves they can be put under distress and kill themselves in the future. It the kid gets therapy and is diagnosed with dysphoria they get put on hormone blockers (not hormones, the too things are different) and visit therapy and doctors to see how the child is doing. What would happen is in the future (when they old enough) they go through hormones or if they find out they aren’t trans, they fo through the regular hormonal process.
@Hermits-Shell you want to put a child on puberty blockers? Seriously? That shit should be illegal. Jail time required as punishment.
@Hermits-Shell the question wasn't about hormone blockers though, it was about sex change. Why would a parent let a 12 year old kid get an irreverible body-deforming operation on the basis that the child "doesn't feel like their birth gender"? Following that feeling to its logical (?) conclusion would likely increase risk of suicidal depression and the like in later life. A 12 year old has zero capacity to self diagnose for gender dysphoria AND to then self-prescribe a sex change as the "cure". Most likely they picked up some confusing messages about gender from some equally confused schoolyard peers-- or worse, from grown adults peddling trans ideology to kids
Thats so the child can cope with themselves. You also provided no arguments how it should be illegal. If they stop taking it, their hormones go right back to normal. Its doesn’t harm or change anything
@SomeGuyCalledTom i dont agree with a child getting a sex change but that illegal and wouldn't be allowed by doctors. You can only get put on hormone blockers at that age because it doesn’t change or harm anything. I think person has trouble understanding how therapist treat trans kids.
It is true that a child might be more suicidal getting sex reassignment. Thats me and most doctors just recommend hormone blockers, treatment, and nothing else. Because if you do nothing they will also kill themselves.
@Hermits-Shell well I'm dubious about the prospect of artificially stunting a child's hormonal development, where is the research on long term impacts? It just feels like the people pushing this "treatment" are making some huge leaps in logic to fit the narrative of gender as social construct
I dont know what leaps in logic your talking about but it doesn’t really stunt the development. Remember, doctors only recommend things like that if they truly sre reversible. Im pretty sure they tested it before trying it. Thats why they give them blockers instead of hormones. This helpful for their mental development since kids who grow up distressed can stunt there brain development.
@Hermits-Shell doctors recomment plenty of shit that damages the body in way that can't be undone. A kid can't even buy a house or play a lottery at his age, he needs a parent or a guardian to go abroad, you are only 17 years old so you probably think you have yourself and your life figured out, just wait 10 years and you will see that you will be a completely different person.12 is too young for any permanent changes, it's that simple. and forget about the physical changes, the issue is that this kid has an identity or gender chrisis, what he needs is a therapist who will guide him and help him find fulfillment and happiness in his own body without any physical changes.
Miss. I dont think a child should do something on their own that going to completely change their life. But i do believe that kids understand themselves and it best to play and safe and kid the child therapy and do certain things that are reversible, im not advocating for children to get sex reassignment surgery. Im about to go to college and im about to turn 18 in a certain amount of months. I know im definitely not going to change my mindset to yours and i do actual research on these topics instead of making a opinion based argument. If you dont agree and you want to use the fact that im 17 as an excuse then thats on you.
@Hermits-Shell what is there to research. this is not a topic that requires material to read through, this is common sense. this kid needs therapy in order to make sure his decisions are for the right reasons and it's not coming from something negative as insecurities or media influence
My mistake its puberty blockers not hormone blockers. All i can't send you a link because of my rank but look up puberty blockers and can it be reversible. And look up trans treatments for children and how to get access to hormones.
@Hermits-Shell omg we don't need your articles, go talk to a proper doctor about this and ask if puberty stoppers will not mess you up if you take them for many years and will you start going through puberty after you stop taking them, he will talk some sense into you
I keep telling you it won't. Its very clear thats you have a conformation bias. These articles are from actual doctors. But what you mean is, ask a doctor that agrees with you. All i can tell you is do research on puberty blockers. I keep answering your same Repetitive question and you won't just admitted that you do the research. There is no point. By that way if you dont see how you don’t actually care about evidence, saying “we dont need your articles” is very apparent to your biases.
@Hermits-Shell do, don't ask a doctor that agrees with me, ask any real respectable doctor internet articles are full of bs, I can find you 100s of ridiculous articles from so called doctors pushing all kinds of shit.
Ok chief. You do that then. And respectable doctors agree, they are literally the ones who make these articles.
@Hermits-Shell you haven't read enough dumb articles on the internet from ''doctors'' then. Until someone actually takes puberty blockers for 15 years, stops and actually goes through puberty in their 30s I won't believe any ''studies'' or articles
Ok thats fine. But thing is, people like you try to stop it so we can't see. Just saying a article is dumb doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Things are peer reviewed
@Hermits-Shell of course we will try to stop it, this is too much of a risk.
See the flaw dumbass. The article i give you aren't good saying there isn’t enough years. But people can't test those years. Purberty blockers are only for the process of puberty which is 18. From there, they can decide they are trans and take hormones or decide they aren't and go through the regular process of puberty. No one is going to take a puberty blocker for 15 years or untill their 30. But hey, your conformation bias is showing and there is no point to this discussion anymore.
Doctors who agree aren’t good enough for you
Not enough experimentation for you
And you dont even want to experiment because of a risk.
Ok chief. Good bye.
@Hermits-Shell good bye
No it's that simple I think parents have been brainwashed to be to pc.
No hormone treatments, no surgery he can pretend to be a girl all he wants though... until the boys at school set him straight
I feel the same way about stupid people - beat them with a pipe until they are smart. Sure they end up being just as stupid as before and a little butt hurt over it, but it always makes me feel good.
@Artesian I agree
His son knows he was meant to be a girl. The question is, when should they be able to switch, legally. That's the real question.
And I for one, believe that they shouldn't be able to change until they're at least 18
They obviously need to be tested by a psychiatrist.
I don't give a damn what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt people not involved.
I wish I could have done it when I was 12. Its just the right age before the body starts changing. Its even hard when you get older with the hormones and other things you have to take into account. Pls having your parents behind you ….
Yes it might be easier without hormones. But he is 12 and as a kid you sat things and have wishes without thinking about any kind of consequences. When your young you have ideas and feelings you can't control. He cannot change back if he regrets it, as far as I know. It could be just a phase.
this is not need to be done at all. you can stay in your own body and express yourself in a way you want, wear makeup, girly clothes, be feminine... your body, having boobs or small waist is not what makes you a woman or defines you in any way. this is severe gender and body dysmorphia. stay in your own body and learn to love it is the most natural and healthiest option. if plastic surgery and all the procedures did not exist you would have no choice but to accept how you are and you would find ways to let the woman inside you exist and flourish. there is no need to mutilate yourself just to look different. this is not identity crisis this is vanity
I can hear both of you , but I know the upset my has had through this. I got close to taking the op, I was living as a female full time, but it wasn't enough. At the time I was in my 30s had children plus other responsabilites. At 12 I didn't have them , I didn't hit the change until about 17, I was passing as female then it would have been great to carry as a female.
Now being in my mid 50s I still feel the same way, life would have been different but in many ways what I wanted, instead of following the trend ….
I did not understand, so you regret the change? well this is exactly why the boy needs to be educated
No I regret not having the change. But at 12 it would have made it easier.
sad that after all these years you cannot find comfort in your body. if these surgeries and procedures were not possible, you wouldn't even be considering this and learned to accept yourself long time ago. we have too many choices that are not good for us and distract us from the real issues and solutions
I see what you mean. But it's like asking a girl why she wants bigger breasts or slimmer waist. We all have a desire or picture in our mind what we should look like
Daftly , it's when I see a lovely dress or any female clothes I just wish I had a figure that would do it justice.
Where just have to lose weight I have to change gender.
There is a lot more to this but I don't want to bore you..
bigger breasts or slimmer waist? well I am glad you chose those examples, because whoever wants that to the point they'd do surgery for it are not right either, they are just vain and insecure, there is nothing wrong with their bodies and they are not less beautiful with smaller breasts and bigger waist. media and social media influence is extremely toxic to impressionable minds and those who question themselves. if a young person starts to believing this shit and noone tries to change it until adulthood, when they become adults and still believe it, all of a sudden its considered valid because supposedly they are old enough to know what's right for them. but many things adults believe can be false and bad for them, you can grow up with many insecurities and lack confidence, be afraid of many things, just because you're an adult does not mean you are not wrong and should not at least try to change the perspective, and if this is something you believed for a long time that thought is extremely strong and deeply rooted, so it is unlikely to be meddled with. Looking better or fitting better into certain clothes should never be main focus, you can be the most convincingly looking woman on the planet but deep inside you would know what you had to go through to get there, it is just unnatural. while accepting and learning to love the body you have been given while might seem wrong if you think looking like a woman is connected to the identity of being one, but if you just opened up and allowed it to happen it would open doors to such acceptance and peace with yourself, happiness, instead of always going aganst the nature and reaching for something that shouldn't matter so much. there are more important things in life to focus on than looks that would give you much more fulfillment
True.
But it is difficult when it's your gender. It takes over your life , it's hard to explain the feelings you go through, for me I was very young when I realised how I felt, I tried to bury it got married twice had children ,5girls to rub the salt in.
It affected my life to get my wife to say she felt like a lesbian married to me. The first marriage ended in the similar way , she wanted a real man , she never did..
That's because you never tried to truly accept and love yourself, so this belief and feeling lingered within you and got stronger over the years.
I hear you but don't agree...
No, that's way too young!
fuck no,. not mentally developed enough to decide
The parents just want some money and use their kid as a tool.
Yeah, they dad wants to be able to write a book on it all and cash in while the kid is left to deal with the aftermath if it doesn't work out.
No matter what, he will always be judged as a man by God's standards.
Not your kid, not your problem. Let him bite the bullet for his wife's bullshit.
wife? what does she have to do with this.
Allowing a child to transition is child abuse.
Pity him and pity his parents!
My requirement would be 16. My house; my rules.
16 year olds are still kiddos
For thousands of years and according to Almighty God, passing puberty makes you an adult. I was treated as an adult at 16 but that could have vanished if I fucked up. I raised 2 kids and did the same. Worked out fine. What you describe is cultural.
God decides that puberty makes you an adult? some kids go through puberty and look physically mature at 13, does that mean they are adults? Get outta here
Yeah, well... God determined that folks could procreate at puberty. THAT and a few minor attributes (like physical development) were the requirements. Anything else is cultural.
Physically they can be an adult, sexually at least. But mentally? No F-U-C-K-I-
N-G way!
@Daniela1982 Rites of passage into adulthood have existed for many thousands of years all over the globe. They were puberty based. Confirmation in the Catholic church, Bar and Bat Mitzvah for the Jews, etc. POOF! You're an adult now so get a job and start a family. Don't forget that lifespan was shorter back then and a 20 year old woman was considered a spinster. Culture, not God covers your reply. Research!
I call bull shit! You apparently got your research out of a Cracker Jacks box. Girls are not more than kids at 12 and won't be fully matured into their 20's. Criminy, girls that are 17 and 18 don't know what they're doing, which is the reason more than a million of them get pregnant every year.
@Daniela1982 What makes an adult? I agree 12 is too young, but I don't think so for the same reasons. Full accountability I think is what makes an adult. 28 year old men are often immature where I'm at, they are still adults. I've been more mature, knowledgeable, and responsible than my grandfather since I was 14, does that mean he's not an adult?
There are many stupid, terrible adults, but they are fully accountable for their actions.
@Daniela1982 So, you did no research. Fine. Perhaps that's why you're wrong. Problem is when you would rather stick to an opinion than learn. Fine. No more from me to you here.
I still think 16 is a much better age. 13-14 works alright though, good job to the Jewish community.
This is insanity
Why should I care? It does not affect my life
so don't comment
Well there is something called freedom of speech
but if it does not affect your life and you don't care this is not freedom of speech, it's just a waste
It's not my decision nor is it my place to judge.
not my life, and not my kids. Idgaf
so don't comment
I just did. Get a life.
if you got nothing useful to say, stay quiet
Nope.
Hell no
terrible
No..
belt is coming put
He is only 12 yet.
yes.