Ten years ago, the average model was quite a bit slimmer than nowadays. If a designer today chose only superslim girls for their show, they would probably be publicly shamed into oblivion. What do you think about that? Is choosing only skinny girls alright?
As a reference of what I’m talking about, here are some shots from Christian Dior Spring 2010, which is one of my favorite shows. I think the models looked stellar there and I wish that time would come back, haha.Yulia KharlapanovaSiri TollerødLindsay Ellingson
Is it OK for designers to use exclusively superslim models in runway shows?
Designers can do whatever they want, in terms of choosing models. Their business, their clothes, their sales strategy. For the benefit of the 'beautiful at any size' people, you are delusional and understand NOTHING of biology and mating strategies. The human brain is hard wired to reject fat, because fat is an indicator of poor health and inferior genetics. From a marketing perspective, for advertising to work it has to be aspirational. What does that mean? In the case of clothing, it has to be presented in a way that makes the female viewer think that she will look like the model if she buys and wears that garment. Of course this is also delusional, unless the female also looks like a model, but that is what goes on at a subconscious level. That is why a female needs to be of above-average beauty and young to be able to work as a model. Women want to look like a beautiful girl, not a wildebeest. The models who were used to illustrate the article above are way too thin. They are eating disorder thin. They have beautiful faces, but below the neck they are unattractive to me. As a man, I would be afraid that if I screwed one I might break her. I like models who have a good muscle structure, such as the girls who work for Victoria's Secret. You may have noticed that swimwear and underwear models have meat on their bones and spend time in a gymnasium, rather than perfecting an eating disorder.
I think the models in the Dior show above look stunning and fit. Lindsay Ellingson was actually a very popular VS model. See the following pic from the VS show of the same year as the Dior show:
Looking at it from a creator's perspective, I think if I were to design clothes I would design them for the type of people I want to wear them. I would not want to be shamed into including a body type that I am not intrested in. From a financial stand point, I would not want my business to be ruined by politicly correct snowflakes that want to blame others for not being included in everything, so I would try to find a way to pull it off without showing up on their radar. Bottom line, I think you should have the freedom to use whoever you want no matter what your reason is. If I ever become a designer, I would definitely use a girl named Lena as a template. Too much? I know. 😏
Right, and most people want the exclusive fashions until they are the ones excluded because they don't fit the mold. I never hear of a skinny person protesting any Tall and Fat designers. 🤷♂️
So I think I can give you a pretty informed answer as to why! It's sample sizes that's all. Most designers have a sample size which is usually a size 2 or 0, the skinny models wear sample size not really becuase they are attractive but because smaller sizes use less fabric. Which is why you'll see that high fashion brand still carry sizes up to XL now. But besides that, some brands use bigger models now for more appeal to more people. But most of the women I've worked with were sizes 0-4 and that can look like anything but again most designers like smaller women so they can make an easier sample. In fashion now a lot of brands are custom tailoring their sample sizes to their models. So they can have different sized women
The whole point of having very slim models wear the products is that it shows how clothes should hang off of a person and look ideally. If you are selling a product, you are going to make it look as good as possible. In practice the product may look differently and hang differently, but it’s all about the sale. While larger models can be a good thing representation-wise, it disrupts the angles and instead of looking at the product on the person, your are looking at the person in the product. So I would say it’s okay either way, but I personally prefer the old way.
Designers should use whatever models they want for whatever reason they want. They are running a business not a social justice rally for fat people.
The reason they have always used skinny models is because that's how they sell the most clothes. Women buy the clothes because they are imagining it will make them look like those models. What women wish they looked like is the most important criterion for a designer when choosing a model. That's the whole point of having a model: to give a visual fantasy that women aspire too in order to sell more designs. And women aspire to look like those skinny models.
for runway work they are never going to use a range of bodies unless they are specifically working with a celebrity because it vastly complicated things. They send the clothes, the models show up and they’re all interchangeable and the same size. It’s chaos with fast changing backstage and they want any model to fit any outfit. That means they should all be the same size.
On the runway they should look perfect, it is a business, you want to present your clothes in the most perfect way. In adverts I would like to see average bodies, I mean maybe up to size 14, but not more than that. Any woman who has problem with this, has actually problems with herself!
Models are models. Theyre supposed to represent what they wear, not the women wearing them. Its their job. They work every day to stay consistent. This is high-end fashion for high rollers. If you're not makimg more than half a million dollars a year you can get away with clothers from walmart and wish and nobody will bat an eye.
Depends on their target audience. However, women into fashion are going to give them (the designers) shit because realistically not all women into fashion are size 0. Like it or not it also does affect young girls sense of self worth when they are not super thin like models. It's really negative, but I mean those types of clothes typically look better on thin models and are going to be worn by celebs- with alterations of course because not all celebs are stick thin.
Yes, generally speaking, it's "OK" for designers who want to make people look attractive to use attractive people as models. Anyone who thinks designers need to use "real women," --whatever the fuck that means, a. k. a. fat females-- is a fucking moron.
It is okay because its their runway show, they can do it however they want. Personally I don't care what some one does with their projects, its theirs and thus they get to decide how to do it. Do I think super skinny models are attractive? NO, but then thats not why they are their, they are not there to look pretty they are their to show off the clothes. So I personally I don't care what they do.
Yes I’m all about body positivity and inclusivity but people need to understand that the designers make handmaid sample pieces that the model needs to be able to fit into, and usually sample sizes range from a size 0 to a Maximum of a size 2. The designer is unable to make 25 different sizes, they only make one per design and it’s usually very small because that is the desired focal feature they focus on.
No I don't think so. It pushes models into extreme diets that is very unhealthy. Ofcourse naturally skinny people exist, but being 180cm and having a size 0 naturally without extreme diets almost doesn't exist. For the sake of the models, they should increase their size.
by the way I'm not trying to skinny shame people. You can be naturally skinny, but it shouldn't be the norm if you know what I mean. It's for most people only obtainable with dangerous diets.
To me Supermodel Skinny is a nice way of saying anorexic. Honestly, I look at women built like that and its not even remotely attractive. It's like I can go up to them, put my hands around their waste and the tips of my fingers would touch. Really the designers are going to do what they want. That does not mean I'll agree with it.
As you can see, there still are some slim girls (Kiki Willems, Evelina Lauren, He Cong), but the average is clearly bigger and there are even some fairly fat girls, to be honest.
They look sickly thin. Like they could drop dead any second. That's not attractive to me, but if a designer wanted to do it, that's their right. However, they probably would be shamed. You're right about that. It's dangerous for the models and dangerous to set that standard for society. The shame is warranted. Do as you will, but know that there are always consequences. As there should be.
Thanks for your opinion! However, they look slim, fit and healthy to me, so I don’t see how it would be a dangerous standard. Much healthier than being overweight, in my opinion. :-)
It appeals to the buyers to pay so those girls finally get some food. The models are mostly not paid or paid peanuts (the 'supermodels' were in fact a category of escorts/prostitutes you'd pay a lot for - though not nearly as much as they advertised)
most models are still super slim... you still need to be a size 00 for fashion week & a 2 (and up to a 4 in some countries) in gen. Thicker models are just there to virtue signal, they're not the norm
Most models are still slim, that’s correct. But if you compare runway shows from about 2006-2010 to runway shows now, it’s obvious that models were slimmer on average back then. And superslim models like in the pictures above are definitely a small minority nowadays. Only a few come to my mind, e. g. Kiki Willems, Rianne van Rompaey (kind of) or Ewa Wladymiruk.
Not that skin models aren't tell out there but now in many countries they have put a minimum weight requirement on the models because of what women were doing to be slim. So more models have more weight on them simply because of that law.
Yes its their art. Plus the girls are rarely attractive. Have you seen what passes for model these day. Girls who look like boys on heroin. Plus the clothes are atrioius that theyre modeling like you would think a person is crazy if you seen them wearing those clothes.
Ofcourse it is, But it also deoends upon what model you are. If ur tall and slim ur great to be a model, If ur Bulk and tall ull be fitness model probably. Its totaly ok for designers to us superslim models in runway, Its like its made for every size type, There are even plus size models now. So everyone can be a model if they want to. GO GET'EM TIGERR
They are selling offf-the-rrack for prices from $500 to thousands to wealthy women who mostly keep themselves in shape. A few designers do make clothes for larger sizes. You could try making clothes yourself.
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A fashion model is a woman who is tall and very lean with feminine presence and a pretty face. This is to showcase the clothing like artwork and detract from the body. Artistic models are more about the body less about the face. Actresses tend to be in between and fantasy women tend to have fuller bodies and pretty faces. It all depends what you want.
Tbh those girls look anorexic to me and absolutely disgusting I know I'm not skinnist gal around but their legs looks the same size of my arms and a simple barge or push will snap their bones like toothpicks
Yeah it's okay they can do what they want not like i care about runaway models. And just don't ask me to call them women them attractive cause oh... my... no i prefer normal healthy skinny.
yes and i believe that was the intention of it, models are suppose to be like idols and you are suppose to look up to them but for some reason its done the opposite
No one has called the cops on them for any of the other objectionable things they've done so far, so why not.
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I'm fine if they choose skinny girls. But sometimes the models are so skinny that I'm scared that they will die in the middle of the runway. Some victoria secret models back in the day were literal walking skeletons.
meat on their ribs. 'Clothes rack' models look meanwhile really sick and it's not sexism's or patriarchy's fault, because other women are main clientele for clothes those girls are presenting.
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Anonymous
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I think he focused more on the skin color than the weight
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