What is the definition of a High Value Man?

[Vegasrunner]

I see this question all the time on GAG and I always get a chuckle out of the answers. The actual definition of a HV man is pretty simple. "It is a man that is respected by other MEN of value" The reason for this is obvious. If left up to a female she's going to use herself as the barometer. Ever notice that when a woman is in a relationship her man is HV yet the second they break up that same man is trash? That is because women make the mistake of believing they dictate the value of a man and that is why women don't factor in on whether you as a man are high value or not. A HV man should be able to walk into any room and leave w/ the respect of any other HV man in that same room.

#highvalue

[DextroShade]

Kevin Samuels defined it in detail:

1. Makes at least $120,000 a year (more if he's in places like LA, NYC, San Francisco, etc.) for the last 3 years.

2. Provides value to society and other high value men.

3. Is recognized by other high value men as a peer or potential peer.

4. Has a network of other high value men.

5. Is publicly visible at the LinkedIn level.

[Vegasrunner]

@DextroShade Nailed it.

[TheWolfLady87]

So what is the definition of a high value man?

I mean you'd be stupid, very stupid, to think that a man who makes $150,000 as a social influcener has the same value as a who makes $150,000 as a doctor.

The doctor actually contributes to society & helps with the betterment of society
The social influence widely contributes little except entertainment to simpler people

[Iwillnot]

Hahahahaha!!!

[KingOfMe1]

@TheWolfLady87 Everyone on the planet is equal. Value is subjective. This is exactly why racism and so many other forms of discrimination exist. Humans never learn. The influencers is offering a service or product that many people are gladly consuming. A doctor is actually less valuable to me because they had to go to a decade of school just to earn the same thing... Actually way less. They earn way less than a lot of influencers lol. Money doesn't make u better than someone. Anyone can earn 7 figures if you just teach them how.

[Senator754]

You’ve just described a huge ego and self righteous indignation about yourself. Money has nothing to do with it, or your perception of how others you believe should consider you yourself as a HV man. Ie. LinkedIn? Sorry you don’t dictate how others think about you via social media. You are your own best HV man as seen by others. Respect is earned friend. By your actions, no one else. Personally I could care less how others perceive me. I only care about how I feel about myself via my values and how I conduct my life. Everything else falls in it’s proper place.

[DextroShade]

@Senator754 you can't be a high-value man without money. Your post reads just like the fat girls who say they are 10's.

[Senator754]

It’s none of my business what you think of me. It’s only my business what I think of myself. You don’t know me but you are judging me. Are you GOD or are you the HVM police? No need to reply.

[Quigly]

That's the corporate definition of a high value employee.

A high value individual in the domestic environment is entirely different.

[MJtheCoach]

Is a self-made.. There are a lot of l0zer 0verwight men who make high salaries.

[MJtheCoach]

@TheWolfLady87 a girl shaking her a22 on Titok makes 6 billion dollars a year.

[Alli39]

I've very happy to have never heard anyone refer to a dude as "high value" in real life. It sounds so objectifying... ick.

Also men go from being "great" to being "trash" because she finally saw the "trash" side of the guy and it was enough to break up with him, ya know? She thinks he's trash because he acted poorly enough to be labeled as such. He was probably acting decently before that so she assumed him to be a good person. It's not about value it's about perception and how well you know someone.

There is no objective value to a person. That's legitimately not how it works.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 You probably haven't heard anyone call a man HV because u haven't been around a HV man. Women don't break up w/ HV men so if she's breaking up he wasn't HV.

[Alli39]

I haven't heard anyone say it because that's not a term actual people use, because in actual human relationships you don't measure the strength of your connection based on another person's "value". That's just gross.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 Lol, That's obviously false the fact that we're engaging in this dialog process that. Simply because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it doesn't exsist. It's simply a reflection of your own limitations and at 23 you probably don't have much life experience so it makes sense that you haven't heard it. Add in the fact that almost less than 0.00001% of males in your age demographic would even qualify to be HV and the ones that are u probably aren't attractive enough to retain then it's no surprise that you've never heard anyone use the term. Not to he rude but no shit, unless you are HV or surrounded by other actual HV people how would you hear it? As you mature hopefully you'll start to understand how the real world works and begin to learn that any man that accomplishes anything of merrit in this world does so based on the connections he makes based on his perceived value. In good faith it's probably a poor discussion to have w/ someone your age because unless you're a true 8, 9 or 10 it's unlikely your going to have the opportunity to be around a HV man at this stage in your life.

[Alli39]

Look, if real people are going around assigning themselves relative values and using this as grounds for what? Datability? The amount of respect they're owed? Why are you trying to pull age/maturity on me when you're presenting an inherently immature concept to begin with. I sincerely hope I never meet someone who identifies themselves as "high value" or any other quantitative measure. Frankly, I suspect he'd be an arrogant idiot with a hugely over-inflated, yet weirdly fragile ego. People with real self-esteem don't need to go around telling people about how great they are or give themselves importance by comparing themselves to other people. Just saying.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 I certainly can understand your confusion. For starters no one said anything about an individual assigning themselves value. So 1st we would need to identify why you felt the need to bring that up, especially considering the compete opposite definition was presented to u in writing. Next and this is where most woman fail, you're concerned w/ "datability" again something that was never included a HV man does not become HV for dateabilitu purposes. Your profile says your 23 so I'm not "pulling" anything. The reality is that there aren't that many HV men at 23 and the ones that are are going to be well known and highly successful individuals and the likelyhook of someone like you actually meeting this is going to be extremely slim. My point is that probably why you haven't heard of anyone being referred to as HV. I'm not sure why you would want to meet any man thats not HV, however I do realize how intimidated you may be by meeting someone like that.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner - if "Women don't break up w/ HV men" and supposedly @DextroShade nailed the definition of having money and not much else to your name as a "high value man"

Then explain why celebrities end up divorced & penniless.

[Alli39]

"For starters no one said anything about an individual assigning themselves value." ... Then what are you trying to say with the term "high value"? That implies that there is a low value and that something about an individual makes them fundamentally more valuable than any other person. The term itself is inherently problematic.

" Your profile says [you're] 23, so I'm not 'pulling' anything." You attempted to inform me that as a person younger than yourself, that I don't understand the concept we're discussing. That's "pulling age". It's not like as a 23 year old I only interact with people my own age regardless, so the assumption that I would never have met someone you'd consider "high value" doesn't hold a lot of water.

And I haven't heard the term high value, because again, not self-respecting person would buy into that bullshit and I usually try to limit my social interactions to people that do have self-respect.

Meeting someone "high value" in no way intimidates me, few people do frankly. That fact that you're attempting to imply that my aversion to the term is a signal of fear implies to me that you don't have a good defense for my former claim. But it was a nice attempt at ad hominem.

And that said, I've clearly made my point:The need to label oneself as intrinsically "more valuable" than the people around the person suggests a lack of self-esteem. In short, we can all see that they're compensating for something, so just relax and stop comparing yourself to everyone. I'm headed out now since I personally have a limited tolerance for engaging with poorly thought-out arguments and ego-stoking. Have a nice day.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Alli39 - you'll never hear someone who is established and self assured calling themselves "high value" or "alpha men" because they don't need to. The terms "high value" & "alpha men" after all only apply to inferior men who don't have much to offer the world or women/relationships except their wallets. As you said accurately to call yourself of "higher value" than others screams low self esteem.

This is obvious in how 98% of people who refer to "high value" or "alpha men" point towards celebrities and sports stars as prime examples of "high value / alpha men".

The thing is, celebrities / sports stars only real value is entertaining the simple minded masses. And they typically don't have good personalities - being arrogant, egotistical, etc. - as displayed in many of their behaviors among their peers during games, towards coaches, and/or towards fans.

Very different from a business owner, inventor or scientist would who the rest of the world would call valuable.

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 That's an ez answer. They don't. Some do, just like some portion of the population of the world do, however most celebrities don't end up penniless. 50% of all marriages in America end up in divorce so celebrity getting divorced isn't that abnormal.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner - yes but Americas a country of degenerates so to go off their divorce rate is a joke.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 This is why I brought up age. You're asking me 2 explain 2 u something u misinterpreted? The world assigns value that is literally why we have salaries and compensation packages. You may not understand this because u may not have entered info the workforce yet. The fact that it's "problematic" to u is irrelevant, because no one cares about your problems in the real world.
False. You're making random assumptions based on how you feel. You are the one who told me "I haven't heard anyone say it" I'm using your age to help explain why u haven't. If u have then not sure why you would make that statement. Sounds like you're attempting to take any side of an argument just to argue which is another immaturity trait.
Subjective terms like "no self respecting" is the exact reason why the definition is must be seen of HV by other MEN of value" women tend to believe that their limited experiences constitute world realities and this is not true. There are multi millionaires, CEO's heads of states and countless numbers of people who all consider themselves HV, for u to claim they have no self respect simply because u don't like a term only highlights your own immaturity. You're not making a point as much as complaining about something you yourself have admitted u have no experience w/.
I'm not sure what your "former claim" is. As far as I can tell you're attempting to say there is no such thing as HV because you've never heard the term? Thats not a valid claim. That's like me saying there is no world hunger because I'm not starving.
If u consider creating an arbitrary statement out of thin air a "point" then it validates the belief about immaturity.
You've provided a great lesson about female nature, although u claim you have a "limited tolerance" you'll respond because women always feel the need to say what they're feeling at the time.

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 To go off actual facts is a joke?

[inhua]

it's well within human nature to measure the strength of one's connection based on value. you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with a short, bald, disabled, broke guy would you?

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua ROFL. Yet short, bald, disabled & broke guys end up with relationships. Probably more meaningful ones than "high value" men with their inferiority complexes can pray for.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner "To go off actual facts is a joke?" --- the only joke is you my friend. Half of what you spout is such nonsense it's adorable. Not hugged enough as a child?

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 with all these factors combined? absolutely not.

separately but with some attractive value attached like good looks but broke or ugly but rich? sure

[Kingofkings1992]

@Vegasrunner sorry, but you’re wrong. There’s no such thing as “high value men.” I’m 31 and I have never once heard a guy call himself a value man in real life. It’s a bullshit concept that only exists on the internet and inside that warped head of yours. Humans do not have value based on life merits.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Kingofkings1992 that’s because you’ve never met a HV men it just shows the type of company you keep around

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 TY for reading my content and hopefully it has gone to help educate you on some pretty basic premises.

[Vegasrunner]

@Kingofkings1992 That's simply a reflection of your own status, but dont get discouraged. At 31 you're entering into your prime, if you work smart enough are talented and learn to use critical thinking you'll have a chance to surround yourself w/ men of value. Gl.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Vegasrunner no actually, it’s a reflection of the fact that high value men do not exist. It’s a stupid ploy to make men feel inadequate, and only idiots like you fall for it.

[Vegasrunner]

@Kingofkings1992 Lol, if that were true there wouldn't be salaries and compensation packages. It's unfortunate that you feel inadequate, however perhaps if you raised your value you would have more self confidence?

[Kingofkings1992]

@Vegasrunner you obviously lack any reading comprehension skills. I have self confidence my friend, you are clearly the one who is lacking it.

[inhua]

@Kingofkings1992 "Humans do not have value based on life merits."

that sounds great on paper but it's not true

an individual is only important to society or someone as long as they provide something for them. no two different individuals get treated exactly the same. security guards will not protect you the same way they protect Joe Biden. a man slapping a woman in self-defense will draw on more hostility than a woman slapping a man to assault him. governments worldwide tend to financially protect their military personnel more than the homeless

no woman will want to be with a man for the sake of his personality. he needs to be able to protect her, provide for her, ensure they don't have ugly kids etc. likewise no man will want to be with a woman who refuses to ever have sex, doesn't do any work and just drains his wallet dry

[Kingofkings1992]

@inhua okay I accept that as true, I agree. Still doesn’t change that the term “high value man” is stupid.

[Vegasrunner]

@Kingofkings1992 You the one that brought up feeling inadequate so I can only take you at your word. It's not possible to know how someone else feels so logically you must be speaking for yourself.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Vegasrunner wrong. I said that’s the design of the concept. I was not referencing myself in any way. Nice try

[Vegasrunner]

@Kingofkings1992 Really can you please show me where you tagged me and said that? "It's a stupid ploy to make men feel inadequate" did you not say this?

[KingOfMe1]

@Alli39 You only find men like Vega on the internet lol. They literally think some humans are better than others. It's sad and scary. He is so arrogant and repelling. Block him. I am doing it right now.

[Vegasrunner]

@KingOfMe1 That's a terrible thing to say. @Alli39 may be able to find a HV man IRL, depending on how she looks.

[Alli39]

First of @Vegasrunner... gross. No thanks. (Also, way to be pathetically superficial, as well as confirm my assumption that your "high value man" is actually just a shallow, arrogant, entitled idiot.)

And second @Alli39 left a while ago and would prefer not to be pinged anymore. Your notifications are not welcome; please go fight somewhere else.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 TY for sharing whatever that was but I don't recall offering you anything so perhaps you tagged the wrong person.

[Alli39]

@Vegasrunner My first statement was in reference to "finding a HV man IRL". Now if you don't mind, please stop pinging me.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alli39 I still am not sure what this has to do w/ me. Not sure what you're saying "no thanks to" I never asked you for anything. Find who you want, My statement was that you're ability to do that will depend on your looks. If you don't want to engage why do u keep tagging me?

[GunFhulangas]

@Vegasrunner - your conduct elsewhere has already revealed you're not "high value". If you acted like you have elsewhere in the business world then real high value / successful men would give you the tray that you carried in and tell you to get them more water & drinks like a good waiter.

[GunFhulangas]

@Vegasrunner "Add in the fact that almost less than 0.00001% of males in your age demographic would even qualify to be HV " - Mark Zuckerberg, Evan Spiegel, Bobby Murphy, and Bill Gates

Are all millionaires by the time they reached their 20s and the likes of which you'll never meet face to face. They're quality, you are not.

[EricSummer]

As you answered your own question already, let me just comment on it rather than seeking an answer.

The fact that a woman typically overstates the value of her man is not a bad thing. You can be a "high enough value" man and get by just fine.

However, I'm missing integrity and faithfulness in your definition. If a man cheats on his woman or abandons his children he is not high value for me even if all your criteria are fulfilled.

On the other hand, while I myself am well above your income threshold, I would go a bit easier on that point. A simple family man of modest income can have very high value.

[Vegasrunner]

@ericsummer
1) woman always overstate the value of their men you only need to read the comments on here to prove that.
2) Every man that history has ever assigned value to has cheated on a woman, that just one of the privileges of being HV. I agree about the kids part, however, I don't believe a man should sacrifice his integrity for the sake of a relationship w/ his kids as many women will use them as pawns.
3) I didn't mention anything about income so perhaps you confused that from somewhere else.

[inhua]

people are going to make the mistake of conflating value with quality

value refers to the superficial/materialistic. quality refers to the characteristics

high value men can be high quality men but a high quality man must be of high value. no one looks at a short, broke, ugly dude has high quality because he lacks value

a lot of male celebrities i. e. pro-athletes, rappers, movie stars are of high value but not necessarily high quality given they enjoy degenerate materialistic lifestyles

[Vegasrunner]

@inhua You make some interesting points however you have to ask yourself why all those celebrities you mentioned choose to live a lifestyle that includes multiple women. Since the beginning of time men that have had money and status all have chosen the "degenerate, materialistic lifestyle you referenced.

[Beautyblossom2]

@Vegasrunner so you're saying none of the men have it in themselves to take pride in being exclusive.. That all males desire a multiple women experience? Like if they have the opportunity, they'd definitely go for that lifestyle?

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 Excellent question. For starters I'm not "saying" that you are. You're simply trying to attribute it to me because of how the truth makes you feel. Secondly it's you who believes that there is "pride" in being exclusive which makes sense because as a woman your job is to retain the best man you can. I'm addition words like "none" and "all" are exceptions. Nothing in life contains all of everything. However the the overwhelming majority of men desire multiple women, and yes if they had the opportunity they would go for it. The reality is thst most men are average or below and don't have the opportunity to act on those desires. Think of whoever your celebrity crush is. Do you seriously believe that he has worked hard busted his ass and sacraficed to limit himself to one woman? The reason this is so difficult for women to understand is because they receive attention from the opposite sex w/out having to put in the sane amount of work.

[MonMon1477]

So do you think it's okay for a high value man to be non-monogamous?

[Beautyblossom2]

@Vegasrunner So this desire of having multiple women is so strong that men 'bust their asses' for it? Yk what! Don't tell me.. I actually ended it recently w. my crush over this only, I found his multiple women tendencies. So Ik of this on a personal level. He unlocked that he could use his charms to attract attention from a lot of people so he was doing it. So ofc even if he ends up in a monogamous rel., he's still obv. having the desire in him. Unlike women like me who develop our 'charms' for one n take pride in it, they don't (I mean ofc they don't! It's all for their ego) And for a fact, I could never deny that the world is a patriarchal place. That line u said that my 'pride for monogamy' is my job as a woman, got me thinking deep. And I was already weeping over this recent happening of my life. Presently I take pride in dressing up as a slob but ik once I start actively going out there my pride n happiness would turn for 'prettier', 'proper' or skimpy apparels. Because it's patriarchy! Also, it feels like my inclination twds. babies + exclusiveness, etc. are all worldly manipulations to get me to submit to this patriarchy. My whole upbringing, all so many subtle teachings (the 'good wife' stuff) are all to appease to this world where majority men, can't even have the desire for one. Even if i want to go religious for coping, even that feels like I'm gonna do the patr. pleasing 'coping' method. Like maybe I shd just do promiscuity to rebel! But no, my whole conscience is developed over it!! Infact I'm liked as a person in society a lot bcz I validate all this! And this is all the 'gender roles' instilled in me, which if I realise in terms of the 'equality' scale (the 'female tendency' acc. to your other message there) feels so unjust! Llike.. Either accept it all n obey the rules of this world n have heart opened for such men OR reject it, n only you're yourself gonna suffer.. be disliked/rejected/or considered a LV woman like u mentioned there.

[Vegasrunner]

@MonMon1477 Society and history say yes. If you're a true HV man why would you want to be limited to one woman? If a man being non-monogamous is a deal breaker for you, why not just get w/ an average guy?

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 No. What men "bust their asses for" is the right to not have to tolerated the BS that comes from not having options w/ women. I don't think women realize how annoying they are. Tbh based on your reply and exprience you probably have a better chance than most women to retain a HV man because you are more realistic. You'll get another chance at a HV man once your ready to get back out there, that's your advantage as a woman. It's telling that you believe the equality scale is "unjust" you feel like this because you did date a HV man. Many argue that women have the advantage because of dating apps, social media etc, but as u found out all these modern convinces did was push the advantages to the top 20% of men. I'll give you a piece of advice, do w/ it what you will. Next time you are dating a HV man just say this. "I already know you have options, can you see me being your only one" Woman try to treat HV men like regular guys and fail to understand that like them, HV men have heard all the tricks and tactics from women just like average women have from men.

[MonMon1477]

Ahhh I see. But why does a "high value man" need more than one woman? High value = sophisticated but I don't see "sophisticated" men sleeping around with whoever and whatever. If they look nice and sleep around with multiple people, people would call him a "player".

[inhua]

@MonMon1477 it's not up to the high value man whether he chooses to be monogamous or not. it's up to the numerous women who chase after him

men don't dictate the rules of the dating market, women do

[Beautyblossom2]

@MonMon1477 that's the thing.. this world is messed up and "player" is usually used when it's a boy or a man who isn't deemed as 'successful'(sadly the measure of 'success' is mostly money only), the moment he achieves that label somehow, people calling him a player suddenly turn into the 'envious' ones. Don't forget he's getting the plus of patriarchy too.
To your other part, I do agree that a man shouldn't do that lifestyle, if he's trying to go for 'sophisticated' but that's just you n me. They won't care for people like us. It's just what their internal desires are n they were long developed in their upbringing years. They don't use healthy habits n hobbies for their timepass, THIS is where there mind goes!! Acc to you n me, the good examples of HV men are like tennis player R. Federer. Unlike you n me, @Vegasrunner counted celebrities too in the hv category n unfortunately many people do. So how I think: acc to the society, hv men can come in both: decent n indecent types. Unfortunately women (if hv) is usually going to be of one type only. You can just hope that your heart never indulges in a hv men of that indecent type (majority), like mine did.. True peace of mind is definitely gone then.

[Beautyblossom2]

Yk.. This is the reason I think women's independence is so important and also the reason why their need for equality exists.

[Vegasrunner]

@MonMon1477 You're struggling to understand because you're trying to force your label into the situation. A HV man doesn't "need" any woman. Women "need" HV men which is why we have so many options. Your statement about sophisticated men is false for two reasons.
1) Sophisticated is subjective.
2) How could you possibly know who someone else is sleeping around with?

[Vegasrunner]

@inhua It's that false believe that has so many women struggling these days. Women dictate sex not dating. When a man has options you can't force him to committ to just you. Where you guys get mislead is by believing that you determine a man's value. Most of the men you deal w/ are average and you can get away w/ all the mistakes that women make because that guy typically can't replace you. However when you finally meet a type A HV man, you act the exact same way, however those tactics don't work because we can easily replace you. Then you're left crying on social media about how there's no good men. Well both men were "good" the issue is you don't understand how to treat the average guy and you don't understand how to retain the HV guy.

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 You're pretty intelligent. I don't agree w/ all your points. (Like do you seriously believe that Federer has only one woman lol) but for the most part you kind of understand better than any woman I've heard from on GAG which leads me to believe the guy you dated was probably HV. You can get a basic guy that won't cheat and will be faithful to one woman, however women don't typically want that so it leaves them in a difficult spot.

[Beautyblossom2]

I mean.. I didn't give his example particularly thinking of exclusivity (tho he's actually exclusive too acc to what the internet tells). I gave his example mainly bcz he comes off as someone who has a good healthy lifestyle & uses healthy hobbies & ways in his pasttime. He seems to already have a lot on his plate to care about 'that' stuff. U asked if I seriously think this is true? I'm not going to argue here, we can never truly know for sure what popular people's true life is, behind the screen. I think it's kind of pointless if I start doubting😅 there's never going to be a stop, so I'm just gonna take what's being served, as it is.

[Beautyblossom2]

Served as it is, over here.. *
@Vegasrunner (forgot to tag)

[MonMon1477]

But it would be up to him because he has a choice as to if he would sleep with several different women every day or not!

[MonMon1477]

What makes you so sure that a woman NEEDS a HV man? The only thing people need are food, water, and clothes.

[inhua]

you're not wrong that women are the gatekeepers of sex and men the gatekeepers of relationships but sex is a key component of relationships and for the most part, women dictate who and how men should be in order to get sex and only from then on do men hold the cards

while I don't believe a man's value is dictated by female validation, far too often does society put this as an emphasis on manhood i. e. if a woman doesn't want a man, she's strong and independent but if a man doesn't want a woman, he's a woman hater, misogynist etc. and needs to be stamped out of society

[inhua]

@MonMon1477 women are the gatekeepers of sex not men. even though polygamy is overall bad for society, we can't tell women who to choose and if multiple women choose to go after the same man, how exactly is the HVM a fault?

the enablers of "bad behavior" are more at fault than those who commit said "bad behaviors" i. e. bystanders letting a bully continue assaulting a victim

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 That's explains your POV. You're not going to hear about a public figures affairs until they become public. (Which ironically is why they always shock people like you) Not sure how old you are, but most people believed Tiger Woods was faithful to his supermodel wife until, he she threw a golf club through his windshield and it came out that he had 100's of women all over the world. Same could be said for Kobe Bryant b4 he had to hold a press conference in front of his wife to admit infidelity. My question was genuine. Do you really believe RF sacrificed time, and his body, to be one of the greatest people in the history of the world to do what he does to have sex w/ one women for the rest of his life? Truth is men need women to procreate so A famous Alpha male is going to select a woman to reproduce w/ but that doesn't mean he's going to settle for only her. You claim "you're going to take what is being served" if that's the case how can you ignore that every powerful successful man throughout the history of the world is known for having multiple women? RF himself has had multiple women come out claiming they've had affairs w/ him do you simply ignore that?

[Vegasrunner]

@MonMon1477 Excellent question. History, common sense and visual evidence make me so sure. Only about 40% of all men throughout history have reproduced, do you understand why?

[Vegasrunner]

@inhua You've validated my point. Woman only dictate that for average men that don't have options. The men that women actually dictate behavior. That's literally why despite women having more sexual freedom then ever they are more women complaining about men than ever. There "freedom" has led them to all concentrate their attention on the same 20% of men, providing the actual advantage to those men. If I have multiple women all willing to give me what I want, one woman can't dictate shit to me.
I agree w/ all of your last point.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner "why all those celebrities you mentioned choose to live a lifestyle that includes multiple women"

No most of them don't. Maybe you should educate yourself hmm?

It's usually the trashier celebrities that have multiple partners. Trailer vermin like the Kardashians.

They don't contribute any value in a relationship & why they usually end up divorced & penniless.

Whereas the decent celebrities that intelligent people actually like are respectable individual WHO HAVE ONE WOMAN.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner "As far as what being validated by other men of value does, that's an obvious answer. How do you think mergers, large business deals and investment opportunities get created?"

Obviously you don't know much of anything about how business works. Take it from someone who comes from a family that owns three international businesses.

If you were found out to treat women with such disrespect during a business meeting... in today's society... you'd be kicked from the 20th floor window without a parachute. What when there are some very successful businesses due to women.

Not to mention your ignorance & arrogance would assure you that you'd burn your bridges in the business world faster than you can piss. Business requires tact. You seem to think that as "high value" others should bow to you... whereas reality is, you'd be sitting in the business world corner with a dunce cap on your head.

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 most celebrity marriages end in divorce and the ones that don't aren't as faithful as the media makes it out to be. it's not uncommon for these male celebrities to have side chicks some of whom could be another man's wife

fact of the matter is, the majority of women still find men like Brad Pitt and Leonardo Di Caprio who juggle through multiple women more attractive than eternally faithful men like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro

[inhua]

@MonMon1477 nobody technically needs another human being, only the 5 necessities of food, water, oxygen, protection and rest. but societies are formed by people needing one another and in the case for pregnant women it would benefit them greatly if their man could protect them from all possible dangers during her vulnerability, produce not ugly kids and the resources to help them develop hence a HVM makes more sense to them than an average or below average man

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua - uh huh. And you know celebrities personality right.

My uncle has been working with celebrities - specifically major bands - for 50 years as a music producer. It's cute when nobodies without a clue give their option.

And no majority of sluts find men like Brat Pitt & Leo pedo attractive. Let's get it right, troll

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 celebrities only want you to see the best in them. not the worst

very convenient of you to insinuate only low quality women find Brad & Leo attractive

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua - you missed 90% of what I said, hmmm... How amusingly convenient.

Yes only low quality women predominantly find Brad & Leo attractive. Neither of them offer anything except money in a relationship and only low quality women are attracted to that sort of man because they don't offer much except looks & sex (hardly a valuable catch). That is obvious in how one can't maintain a relationship or a marriage if his life depended on it and the other is only capable of dating women that are half or less than his age.

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 so do you believe Jennifer Aniston, Angelina Jolee, Gwyneth Paltrow, Blake Lively, Gisele Bundchen are all low quality women? how about Margot Robbie because she finds both these men attractive as well?

it's not just Brad and Leo. Tom Brady, Dwayne Johnson, Jason Momoa, Johnny Depp and plenty of other beloved men have been through divorce. Robert Pattinson and Henry Cavill are still fawned over by many women. even a "faithful" family man like LeBron James has been caught with female sports reporters

you can tell yourself the majority of women don't find these men attractive at all but the majority of women never come across men of this caliber in their lifetime because they are rare

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua - most certainly because what do they contribute to a relationship except looks & sex?

All these people you mention are not "catches" unless a woman is an inferior insecure individual who offers nothing to a relationship except looks and sex. None of the women you mentioned have contributed anything of value to their relationships or to the world except entertaining simple people.

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua - I mean let's look at it in reverse. Madonna is fawned over even nowadays. She's an idiot, selfish, inconsiderate, nasty and such an unfit mother that her own son wants nothing to do with her. She uses her adopted children like how other women use purses - they are nothing but fashion accessories to her.

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 true as it may be, sex has always been a key component of relationships and in the case of raising offspring, superficial factors like looks, money etc. have a greater impact i. e. good genes that make the kid healthy, money that keeps food on the table for them etc.

humans are still animals driven by biological instinct. no one is getting into a relationship with someone they consider unattractive.

personality sounds great on paper but most people hang out with friends of the same personality anyways include those of the opposite sex, yet won't have sex with them. attraction or lack thereof being a key reason why

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua - uh-huh you obviously have never ever in your life had a relationship more meaningful than friends with benefits.

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 Madonna gets used for sex by men. guys aren't lining up to spend the rest of their lives with her. men aren't wired to be picky and their innate desire of sex is driven by the act itself, nothing to do with personality or eye candy

[TheWolfLady87]

@inhua ROFL "nothing to do with personality or eye candy" man you are a virgin aren't you?

[AnusNdaPainus]

@inhua you have made a valid point so she is just going to respond with shame insults guilt and the need to be right

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 I think that's cute that you're related to people that run businesses, but I could just take it from myself as I already operate my own successful business and have been part of many other successful business ventures in my lifetime, however your lack of personal success does explain your POV. I agree that there are double standards designed to benifit woman, however you would have to explain to me what "disrespect" you feel this conversation has in it. The original topic is about HV men so what would woman even have to do w/ it?
As mentioned b4 I'm actually in the business community, as you mentioned you are not so why your hypothesis is entertaining it doesn't have any actual basis in reality.

[Beautyblossom2]

@TheWolfLady87 @Vegasrunner Both of you should be able to argue without trying to intimidate others through your 'background's whose credibility can never be proven. Only use those bases to support your arguments which the other, can also accept as a fact.
Go on now. Continue🏁

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 TY for sharing however I'm not sure what you're talking about. The statement regarding my business accomplishments is a very standard response to a direct question regarding business acument. The "proving" part is something you will have to deal w/ yourself as that is the only person that I would have to "prove" anything to is me. As far as support of my argument @TheWolfLady87 along w/ most of the female responses have already supported it because all if them except for you have provided their specific requirements for a HV man when the original question specifically excludes female opinions. This proves women become so emotuonall triggered when receiving uncomfortable news that they struggle to follow directions. Completely ignoring the original statement in the process which validates why you don't include them in the definition. Also remember these exchanges are not designed to convince the opposing individual rather to provide written evidence of your POV to a willing audience. Any objectionable person reading this exchange would see that all of my exchanges remain respected and full of relevant information while most of the female responses contain.
1) exceptions - Not all
2) equality - Men do it to
3) Emotion - Shame tactics.

[inhua]

@TheWolfLady87 completely irrelevant and unwarranted.

nothing I said is false whether it's from a historical standpoint or a biological standpoint. a good personality and good eye candy is subjective and changes from across time. none of us would exist today if we held our ancestors to same values thoughts and beliefs as we do

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 Low quality women want movie stars? It sounds like you don't understand the value of men or women. Women are valued on their beauty. If you don't understand that men like Brad Pitt or Leonardo Dicaprio are HV then u certainly can't be taken seriously. If there not please provide the names of thre HV men?

[Siochfhradha]

"High value" is Andrew Tate who will be spending the rest of his life rotting in jail.

Word doesn't exist outside of social media nobodies - it originated with "influencers" who only get somewhere because their followers are even dumber or even more poorly raised or more of a social reject - and no man who was raised properly would use it.

You've never hear a doctor or a computer engineer or anything of the like calling themselves "high value" in real life. But you'd hear twats on GAG saying it all the time and majority of the time their attitudes / personalities stink like weeks' old dog shit.

[Siochfhradha]

I mean the word originated with Kevin Samuels who didn't even graduate schooling & who only made money because his followers were embittered chumps who rather than look in the mirror and improve themselves were more adept at blaming others - specifically women - for their failures and coined the word "high value" to give themselves a false semblance of importance.

Like EVERY male who uses the word - or "alpha man" - on GAG has a bad personality, bullies & harasses other members, is rude, ignorant, condensing all in a sad attempt to feel special.

[Vegasrunner]

@siochfhradha I see where you confused. You may not personally hear it however it is a common phrase used by men of value around other men of value. It's probably not used by you Because most guys dontbwant to deal w/ female tantrums like this whenever they are introduced to something new. Hope that helps.

[Vegasrunner]

@siochfhradha Majority of KS followers were women. In fact he had been around for decades trying to help men, however it wasn't until he tried to educate women that he became popular because women's erratic behavior is entertaining to so many people. Yes u are correct most of the women spent their time blaming their failures on others.

[WiccanLady2023]

What is a "high value man"?

The concept originates from social media wherein you can be a complete loser and contribute nothing of value to society but still be considered having 'value'. Look at social media influencers. 95% of them are moronic, contribute nothing, but they have hundreds of thousands of simple minded followers that are also outcasts of society.

Furthermore most highlighted "high value man" are hardly valuable. Andrew Tate as example. An abusive demeaning asshole & rapist who'll rot for the rest of his life in jail.

[Vegasrunner]

@wiccanlady2023 Unfortunately that is incorrect. The answer is a man that is respected by other men of value.

[Anemone978]

- A high value man, or HVM for short, is a man that is seen as highly valuable either to society or in a relationship.
- According to online culture, a high-value man is respected and successful.
- A high value man knows his worth and isn't afraid to show it. He is confident in himself and his abilities, which is attractive to women. He is also reliable and consistent, which means he won't let you down when you need him. Lastly, he respects women and treats them with kindness and respect.

These are what the definition of high value man is besides what Andrew Tate says you won't find your definition anywhere else..

[Vegasrunner]

@anemone978 What you're mentioning is traits and many of the ones you listed are very accurate. I would say that
- being "valuable in his relationship w/ other men of value is more accurate"
- I would say he treats all individuals the exact same way they treat him. Both men and Women must earn the right to be treated w/ respect and kindness. Only LV men blindly provide their respect to someone solely based on their genders. Overall though not bad characteristics however the definition is "A HV man is a man respected and recognized as HV by other men of value"

[Anemone978]

These are just the ones that I found but I don't get why you think you are only high value if other guys see you as high value. Are they the ones you are trying to get with? If not I don't get it if men see you as high value, why is that what matters? Are they gonna do anything for you, besides high five each other?

[Vegasrunner]

@anemone978 Excellent question I'm glad you phrased it the way you did. You don't "get why" the reason for this is because women struggle to empathize w/POV's that make them feel bad. Ironically you provided a perfect example of why. There are countless reasons but the most important reason was already provided in the original post. U either failed to read it after becoming triggered or read it and r chosen to deceptively ignore it. Neither action is the trait of someone that makes logical decisions so u can't in good faith respect that person's opinion regarding something they don't understand. As I explained most women have an over inflated ego and naively believe that they are a prize. If we used that logic every man w/ a girlfriend would be considered HV, however we both know that's not true. Your question "Are they the 1's you're trying to get w/" exemplifies this perfectly. What you and most women fail to understand is that a man does not become HV so he can get w/ women. He becomes HV "SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TOLERATE BS FROM WOMEN" 99.9% of all men deal w/ women they aren't related to for sexual access only. Most women including u whether they want to admit it or not understand this and use this leverage to get average men to do what they want. However they're unable to do this w/ a HV man because he can easily replace her. I will provide a personal example. A few weeks ago a girl on my roster became upset when I wasn't answering her late night text. This finally culminated w/ her texting that "she didn't want to speak w/ me anymore" So I went about my life and gave my time to women that deserved it, after about a week she finally reaches back out to me I haven't responded back yet but I will and she can earn my time back. A LV man that doesn't have options rewards this behavior. As far as what being validated by other men of value does, that's an obvious answer. How do you think mergers, large business deals and investment opportunities get created?

[Anemone978]

I see

[Beautyblossom2]

I can't define it. It's different for different people. Depends if you want to prefer the world's definition of it or the definition of it you yourself believe in (your own perception of the term: also an indirect world's definition).. If you try to go for the world's definition of it, you're going to feel unfulfilled/dissatisfied inside. Also there are so many types of high value men, that there's no 'right' one. You'll go appeasing to one type, you're gonna oppose the other. The type you'll pick is the one that's going to be 'reasonably right' according to you. Your mind's gonna prefer one group over the other while someone else's would prefer another. And then caring about it & trying to live upto it, is either going to pressurize you a lot or it's going to fire you up. Basically the definition of the term that makes YOU feel alive.

[AnusNdaPainus]

It’s not different HV is objective

[Beautyblossom2]

@AnusNdaPainus i see what you're saying. But I'm someone who'd define it as something subjective. Like if I view from the other side, it seems to be mostly just men with money or power. So no. It's like arguing over "what is beautiful"

[Anonymous]

A man that has morals and standards. A man with self control and patience. A man that is kind and respectful to others. He doesn't talk bad or gossip about others. He laughs a lot and most people say he's a good person. He is a man of God and is faithful. He works hard but doesn't bring others down if they're not making the same amount or have a lower paying job. A man that doesn't sleep around because the thought of STD's and lack of morals disinterests him. He can form a normal healthy relationship with a woman and marry her and raise a happy healthy family. A man that doesn't listen to losers like Andrew Tate who gets triggered by an 18 year old girl 😂🤣

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Those are all cute, however as I mentioned this is why women don't get to define a man's value because they will all name things thst they want in a man but nothing that actually makes a man valuable.

[Opinion Owner]

This is what makes a man valuable

[Opinion Owner]

"It is a man that is respected by other MEN of value"
That's not a definition lmao. You went in a circle to avoid the definition.
"A HV man should be able to walk into any room and leave w/ the respect of any other HV man in that same room."
U haven't defined a high vale man. All I said is men that think of themselves as high value respect man that his high value. Ok so deluded guys that can't define high value man... got it 🤣

[Opinion Owner]

*you

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb That's the definition, your understanding or ability to accept it is a completely different story. In fact you're validating exactly why thats a definition. You're spending your time attempting to create a narrative that makes you feel better, when the reality is the definition isn't that complicated. If you want to know if a man is HV leave him in a room w/ other HV men if he walks out w/ their respect you have your answer.

[Opinion Owner]

What makes them respect him?

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb That is a good question. Unfortunately for you there is not one specific answer. Have you ever heard the saying "real recognize real and you look familiar"? A true "Alpha" male is a multifaceted individual capable of moving flawlessly around individuals of all backgrounds. Sometimes you may have to dominate a room w/ conversation other times your silence may be your best weapon. The point is you understand what is necessary to command respect because you've put in the work. Women struggle w/ this because for the most part society gives them value w/out achievement. I can't tell you how many beautiful women I've been w/ who believe their genuinely funny because every simp laughed at their joke.

[Opinion Owner]

"They command respect"... this doesn't say anything about him as a person... is he kind... is that how he "commands" respect?

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb That's because you're attempting to apply your metric. This is why the definition of HV man is to be respected by other MEN of value. Being kind has zero impact on a man's value. If he is that's cool but when I'm at war, which is a big part of a HV man's life, bring kind is not a trait that has any value. You're also picking and choosing parts of the sentence in order to construct a narrative that makes you feel better. What I said is he understands what is necessary to command respect, that's a moving target and takes talent. The reason why this is difficult for you to understand is because most women take respect for granted, however for men respect is something thar must be earned.

[Opinion Owner]

How do you earn respect by going to war?
I couldn't care less if a man isn't in the military or if he's aggressive.

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Ahh now I see your confusion. You're thinking of war from a militaristic view. I'm speaking of war from a competitive zero sum game. This could be in business, over personal territory or simply a relationship gone bad. When you're competing to be the best you're going to have to fight life I'd a fight for territory. I realize this is a difficult for you to comprehend, but that just shows how different of lives men and women live. Also you keep bringing up what you care about. That doesn't have any bearing on a man being HV.

[Opinion Owner]

I like a man with work ethic but I wouldn't date a guy that's married to his work.

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Why do you believe that's relevant to a HV man?

[Opinion Owner]

To be married to his job? Nope

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Not sure what you are talking about. I'm asking why do you believe that what you like in a man is relevant to a man of value?

[Opinion Owner]

Why do you believe that what you want in a man is relevant to what a man of value is?

[Vegasrunner]

I didn't see an answer to my original question. Why do you believe what like in a man is relevant to a man of value?

[Opinion Owner]

Why would a man care about what other men think? He's not trying to attract you. He's trying to attract me. 😂😂😂

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Lol, TY for sharing this. That's a big mistake a lot of women think. Hv men are not trying to attract you. We are trying to attract enough women so we don't have to tolerate you when you start behaving poorly. An average guy is trying to attract one girl because it's so difficult for him to get one. A man of value has so many girls that the loss of one woman isn't going to have an impact. Literally this just played out publicly, Tom Brady divorces his former Super Model wife and trades her in for a younger hotter version.

[Opinion Owner]

That's not a man of value that's a fuckboi💀
keep living in your fantasy 🤣😂😂

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner I'm not familiar w/ the new use if that term. A F***Boi used to be what black people cold lakes. If I understand it correctly suburban white women have turned it into a term to celebrate guys who bang a lot of chick's? Technically I would be living in someone else's fantasy as trading in women is a reality or my life.

[Anonymous]

The definition of a high value man is anything you think it is whether you are male or female. You don't hold the exclusive power over the definition as a man because it means different things to different people in the same way a high value woman is defined by men or women.

It's like saying: "this is the exclusive definition of what is attractive"

Well, to whom? You, your culture, your race, your country? These don't apply to everyone everywhere.

In terms of what is a high value man, especially in relation to attraction to women, you can define it as a man, but if women don't think that way or agree to your standard for yourself, it won't matter (same goes for women who think they are high value women "and women who respect them").

[Vegasrunner]

@anonymous There's no such thing as a HV woman as a woman's value is determined by the quality of man she can retain. It's pretty simple if other men of value deem you're HV you are if they don't you are not. What the woman thinks is irrelevant because as I said women use their personal preferences in the definition.

[Beautyblossom2]

@Vegasrunner Ofc the "other HV men" are also going to use factors personal to them, to pick a 'HV woman'. Just like a woman will. Why is it that their opinion is "relevant" and not considered a "personal" one?
Are you going to reason it all by typing [your opinion acc. to me:-] that reality is that the world is a patriarchal place & it is what it is (if one cares about the world's opinion) OR are you gonna give some other reason? Pls type

[Opinion Owner]

You've proven my point. You, as a man, are now telling me, "There's no such thing as a HV woman as a woman's value is determined by the quality of man she can retain." How would you even know what a high value woman is and what the value of a man is...as a man, and yet here you are seeking to define it as a man in the same way you say women should or cannot define what a high value man is being women who don't understand what a high value man is. Your opinion is relevant to you and how you view yourself. It is irrelevant to others who measure you by their own standards be that men or women. You say oh a HV walks into the room and men respect him, but if they don't say a word or acknowledge that man's presence, that is a useless definition and based on self perception rather than any reality.

[Vegasrunner]

@Beautyblossom2 Lol, I'm glad u said that. No that is false, the reason you think this is because this is what women do and you're looking for equality, in your head it's difficult for you to accept the differences between the genders when those differences don't benifit you. Men aren't using "personal" factors to them they're using realities in society to validate their actions. That is why an average 18-24 year old woman can receive invitations to exclusive parties and events while an average 18-24 year old man has never received an invite to those same parties in the history of the world? Because all HV men understand that men and woman's value are judged by different metrics. Also woman make judgments based on emotions and make the mistake of believing that their status determines a man's value, so if they made the decision the man they are w/ one day will be considered HV the second they leave him he is trash. That is an unstable metric to determine someones value.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner I wasn't even aware you had a point. What is it?

[Opinion Owner]

If you can't comprehend, don't worry about it. Some times things go above people's heads and that's okay.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Absolutely and I can see how a topic like this could go over the heads of a lot of women so there's nothing for u to feel embarrassed about.

[Opinion Owner]

So you still didn't get it. Like I said before, that is totally fine. You have a good day now, okay.

[Vegasrunner]

@opinon Owner I'm the author of the question. I even provided an answer in the question to make it easier for people like you to understand.

[Opinion Owner]

Very good. You can identify yourself. Again, have a good day, okay.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner What part of the question are you struggling w/ perhaps I can educate you.

[Opinion Owner]

*Jingles keys*
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[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Are you sure you have the correct post? There's nothing about keys in this post.

[Opinion Owner]

Definite right place, and perfect comment from me to you. I'll leave it at that. Anyway, getting late for me, so have a good one, k.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Ohh, well glad I could help you. It feels great to educate people on these matters.

[TheSpaceGnome]

How idiots think dating/relationship value works.

How it actually works.

The only person who will think you are high value, are the people who value you.
There is no set metric for what is or isn't valued. Its going to vary from person to person, each having to find their own "perfect fit".

[Unit1]

High value... and man.

What has high value?

Real estate and land. Sportscars. Commodities like Gold. Assets. Securities. Investments. Power and influence. Materials and resources. Wealth. Antiquities. Some items or things or vehicles you might see in the museums.

So I assume a "high value man" is just another word for a rich man, that is probably swarmed by the gold diggers, who have little to no self respect.

A broke man is broke and has not so much of high value. Therefore the gold diggers have no business swarming a broke man.

[Anonymous]

I'll just put it simply, because I'm a sports guy... a great player doesn't tell the world how they great they are... the let their PEERS compliment how great they are. I'm friends with some athletes/coaches who are very well known... and internet boards always make me go pfft... all these wannabe big shots trying to puff their chests out by degrading this or that player online. That player's PEERS HAVE ALREADY praised them... so what some internet commando thinks doesn't mean a split fucking pea.😏

[Vegasrunner]

@anonymous As someone who works in basketball and is surrounded by current and future top players on a daily basis I can tell you that is not true. I've either coached, played w/ played against, scouted, recruited etc every top player you can think of over the last 25 years and I can tell you that all of them have gigantic ego's. I don't know you but you may be getting told this because you're an outsider and not actually part of the industry.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner - you've done this and yet you're on a GAG. Uh-huh. And shit smells like roses.

Ps. You're dead wrong about sports players. The people you're describing are deemed assholes even by their peers. Respected, nope. They're tolerated because they have talent. They are the childish poor sportsmen that contribute nothing to the team in the long run except they can hit a ball.

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 Not sure I understand the question. What don't you like about GAG and if you don't like the platform why do you spend your time on here?
Not only is your second part false I would be considered a peer. I was a college Basketball player and played professionally in several countries and currently am employed as a scout. So not only is it bad enough that your belief is false but you're attempting to pass something you have no clue about off as fact. This is one of the main reasons why females aren't factored in determining a man's value. You spend too much time saying things out of emotion vs actual substance.

[FreakyBaby87]

So what is a "High value" man

I mean I've seen plenty of people on this site calling "Alpha men" high value

When 90% of alpha men are jerks with small egos & attitude problems - who appeal to low value often trampish women (98% of women with "alphas" only care about their money & oftentimes have bad attitudes themselves) - tooting their own horn. They are the sort of people that real leaders and actual contributors to society laugh about.

Unlike horn-tooting "alpha men" real leaders after all DO NOT have to self identify as a leader he or she is KNOWN to be a leader by their conduct, mannerism, etc.

[FreakyBaby87]

And this conceptionalization of "alpha men" is very obvious in celebrities - they contribute little to nothing to society except entertaining the simpler minded ones, oftentimes times have overly priced women who look nice have no personality & wouldn't give these louts the time of day if they were average joe.

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 HV man is a man thar is seen of value by other men of value. Words like "Jerk and small ego, attitude" are intangible subjective metrics typically used by bitter women upset that they weren't able to retain a HV man. All leaders at some point during leadership must make it clear that they are in charge either by words or action.

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner - jerk, small ego & attitude problem are statements of fact as revealed by the fact an "alpha man" tyically has a criminal record.

So what is "other men of value" ...

You're not answering the question so how can you be a man of value.

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner - by the way thanks for proving my point about "high value" men having attitude problems.

I do have a very important boyfriend who contributes a LOT to society between being a medical surgeon who goes to crisis & war zones as well as work locally, donations, fundraisers, etc and aiming to be a politician. He doesn't have an attitude problem like you & why people love him and willingly follow him.

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 ahh now I understand your confusion. The first part if your statement is not only completely false but also bizarre as society is literally run my Alpha Males. Not sure which ones you believe have criminal records although based on your belief I understand how you made your mistake.
I am the author of the question and provided the answer in the question and in my response to you. You only need to be able to read.

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 TY for validating my point about the definition of a HV man. As was stated in the original question because of their own insecurities women will always claim the man that chooses them is an Alpha male, while you may believe you boyfriend is a HV man only other men of value can validate him mainly because we all understand women's propensity to make decisions based on their emotional state.

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner - ROFL. Where did I say I thought he was high value? The world thinks he's high value. The awards he has gotten from the government says he is valuable to society. The local politicans calling him out during seminers says he is valuable to society.

What have you achieved with yourself that makes YOU high value?

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner "You only need to be able to read." - I can read and what I see is someone too ignorant to answer a basic question. Should I write in Spanish, Russian or some other language so you comprehend better?

I asked what is a high value man.

A question you can't answer. Which means a self identified "half value" man has no value.

I mean if I ask what a transgender is, people can explain. If I ask what is this or that, people can answer.

You can't answer what a "high value" man is... so how does such a dub have any value?

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 You need to learn to read b4 becoming emotionally triggered. I said "while you may believe he's HV" odd that u ignored that part. I like that you included his awards because at least it shows that you understand on some level what it takes for a man to be considered HV so glad I could educate you on that.

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner you're the triggered one sweetie. You can't even use proper English grammer you've got your panties so tightly wadded up your asshole.

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 I really appreciate you regurgitating what I say and pretending that you came up w/ your own thought. This at least shows you have the capability of being trained which is a good start.

[FreakyBaby87]

@Vegasrunner - where did I regurgitate what you said? As for trained. I own 2 businesses in real life & am on this forum cause well it's entertaining. Dogs like you... aren't fit to lick my boots.

[Vegasrunner]

@FreakyBaby87 Excellent question, and TY for coming to me for clarity. I mentioned you were triggered which caused you to completely ignore a statement and then make one up and attribute it to me, to which you responded "you're the triggered one sweetie" Which highlights your inability to think for yourself and be original. This is not uncommon for someome like you as many women struggle to articulate relevant POV's in discussions because of how difficult it is for them to control their emotions.

[richardcory]

Not everything is a scalar - which is to say that you can't put everything in an order. What is a "high value" food? Is steak higher "value" than ice cream? Is caviar high value because its expensive -even if most people think it tastes disgusting?

Same for people. Is a judge higher or lower value than a scientist or an athlete or a surgeon? It depends on who is doing the comparison.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory You're kinda of making my point. That's why the definition is that he is respected by other MEN of value.

[richardcory]

Why "men"? Also "men of value" implies that there is some measure of value and my claim is that there isn't such a thing.

The things my social group values may be completely different from what yours values. There are probably some common points, but maybe not that many. One group value physical ability, the other mental ability. One may value wealth, the other skills.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory Good question. I states this in the original post. Women aren't going to objectionable. A woman dating a broke loser will still claim the man is HV because he's dating her. HV men want to associate w/ other men of value therefore the circle he runs in determines a man's value. If you're sitting in a room w/ a CEO a professional athlete and a movie star, your girlfriend may think your great but I'd they don't you're not that valuable. Also your claim is false. Value has a definition and one of them is importance, worth or usefulness. If you don't know that definition, should you be making those kind of claims? You are correct about your social group, however unless your social group is comprised of men of value it's not applicable. Here's an example if your social group is full of 50 yro men, thst are working minimum wage jobs, struggle to get attention, from the opposite sex and haven't created anything of value for the world then that social group is composed of LV men and what they "value" isn't relevant. If your group is comprised of success Alpha Males that run industries, have their choice of woman and employ 1000's of people then what they think about you is important.

[richardcory]

Isn't what my social group thinks important if that group is composed of people like me? I don't care about the opinion of an industry leader or world class athlete, but I do care about the opinion of a skilled engineer or scientist, or an expert pilot because they can form valid opinions of me.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory Do you believe that if a group of inmates respects another inmate that he is HV?

[richardcory]

To them sure. To me no. Same way that an athlete may get great respect form other athletes, but his abilities mean nothing to me. A scientist gets respect from his peers despite most people having no idea what he does.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory So you have answered your own question. Despite their social group deeming them HV. You (society does not) Your athlete anology is kind of the same. You specifically may not see them as HV but society does. Why do you think they build statues to athletes? Depending on the ability of the scientist society could consider them HV. Difference is there are way less professional athletes in the world than scientist.

[richardcory]

What are you considering "society at large"? You can take some sort of average, but in most cases it what a specific group thinks that matters. I'm also not sure what value implies here. If you define a famous athlete as high value because someone built a statue to them, that will only be interesting to people who are interested in athletics.

In the past we had "heroes" , usually based on military capability, but that has fallen out of favor. Now we it seems each person has their own set of things they value. There is overlap but also a lot of differences.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory I'm confused. Did you just ignore my question to aske me a question? I didn't see your answer to my question in your response. Why do they build statues to athletes?

[richardcory]

I think I saw one of your responses, not the other. Maybe you mean the response "Value has a definition and one of them is importance, worth or usefulness"

Worth I guess can be equated with wealth, so that can be measured. Elon Musk, the King of Saudi Arabia, and the like have value in the form of net worth.

Importance and usefulness are less obvious. Even with the benefit of hindsight where would you place Beethoven or Janis Joplin, or Vincent Van Goh, Stephen King, Martin Luther King, Murray Gell-mann (invented quarks).

There are statues of athletes, scientists, musicians, civil rights leaders, politicians, and people who never actually existed.

in a fuzzy way you can compare people but its very fuzzy. It also doesn't really matter. Why should I care what someone outside of my social group think of me? Why do I care what someone who thinks they are an "alpha male" thinks? Or what a supermodel thinks - I don't have any interest in either of them.

There are people whose opinions I value. They are probably different people than the ones you value, and that's fine.

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory TY for sharing, however it's seems as if you're attempting to dodge a question because the answer would invalidate your belief. I didn't ask you who the build statues to I ask you why do the build statues to athletes?
No one asked you to care about what people outside your social group thinks, or what supermodels or Alphas think yet you volunteered that info?

[richardcory]

You brought up alphas with

"If your group is comprised of success Alpha Males that run industries, have their choice of woman and employ 1000's of people then what they think about you is important."

I don't understand your comment about athletes. Statues are built to all sorts of people. Some people are impressed by athletes, some by, musician, politicians, military leaders, actors, people of certain heredity, or just people who are physically attractive.

I feel like we are talking at cross purposes. As far as can tell you rank people by "value" with some listed as HV or "high value". It seems that you think that ranking is a unique ordering - that people in generally will agree with who is and is not HV.

I'm arguing that value is in the eye of the beholder, that the differences in how people perceive value are larger than the common factor.

Let me ask then - why do you think they build statues to athletes? What about the other groups above?

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory Not sure what's so confusing about the athlete question as it's a yes or no question. Do they build statues to athletes? I understand your need to dodge this question because any honest answer renders your argument moot, however that only proves you're more interested in arguing than truth.

[richardcory]

People build statues to athletes. I didn't think that was a question.

Why do people build statues to athletes? Because the people building the statues like / admire athletes.

But I don't see the point. Different people build statues to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. What is your point?

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory They do what percentage of the population of the history of the world do you believe has a statue built of them?

[richardcory]

Quite small. Probably one in 10,000, but more if you count funerary statues. Are you equating high value with public visibility?

[Vegasrunner]

@richardcory Then you've already answered your own question. If you're speaking of a private funeral statue dedicated to a family member then u realize that is way different than a public statue built by a community. That person had to have bring a good deal of value to have a statue erected of him.

[McKellar]

That's a good question. I've never heard of this question before. I'm guessing a man who comes from either middle or high class, makes more money within 1 year or 1 month than I'll ever see in my retirement and who is a supreme public figure and an influencer? He has the supreme answers to life which most people apparently struggle with? ( provided if he does have those answers, but who is to say if he does or not?) and millions or billions of people follow this guy online?

I don't know, this is just a guess on my end.

[GunFhulangas]

@Vegasrunner & @DextroShade

I'm on this site cause well it seems entertaining. But per this post.

Let's see I graduated university at 21 with a Masters in Computer Science, have another Masters in virtual / augemented reality and AI by the time was 30.

Made well over $500,000 last year working remotely in 2 different countries (USA & UK) via my computer consulting business, have worked for Microsoft & Facebook & also done some things for Telsa's AI system. Routinely go to the local private yacht clubs & golf clubs where mega businessmen and politicians go and go out for drinks, etc. with them. I've shaken the hand of people like Elon Musk or Donald Trump over the years.

Yet I've never heard any one of my peers or myself for that matter call ourselves "high value". Real high value men are identified through their contributions to society.

[GunFhulangas]

@inhua I didn't call myself high value. In fact I said none of us actually valuable men to society call ourselves "high value' in a pathetic attempt to seem important.

[GunFhulangas]

@inhua Hmmm... You seem to be incapable of comprehending English. Amusing but I don't have time to waste on people who didn't pass high school

[inhua]

you seem incapable of forming a proper argument and must resort to slander as an excuse to back out of the debate and save face

[GunFhulangas]

@inhua I did, earlier, you didn't comprehend it

I didn't call myself high value. In fact I said none of us actually valuable men to society call ourselves "high value' in a pathetic attempt to seem important.

[Vegasrunner]

unFhulangas Lol, I'm not sure what "conduct" you're referring to but thank you for being a fan. I already in the business world, so your hypothetical like many who allow their feelings to dictate their response inaccurate.

[Vegasrunner]

Perhaps you haven't heard them refer to you as a HV man because those individuals are not your peers.

[TheWolfLady87]

So what is the definition of a high value man?

I mean you'd be stupid, very stupid, to think that a man who makes $150,000 as a social influcener has the same value as a who makes $150,000 as a doctor.

The doctor actually contributes to society & helps with the betterment of society
The social influence widely contributes little except entertainment to simpler people

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 Where are you getting this $150K number from?

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner from DextroShade's post you said was bingo / spot on. And you didn't answer my question... hmm... what do nobodies who amount to nothing like social influencers contribute to society that makes them high value.

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 Now I understand your confusion. @DextroShade said "At least" 120K or more and he even went so far as to include the caveat of more if they were in more expensive cities. He also provided four other examples. This kind of proves my point about women living in delusion. You took a written statement took out specific aspects of the statement and are now dishonestly attempting to attribute it to him. To make it even worse you're pretending to ask a question based on something he never said. He never mentions anything about "Social media nobodies" you made that up. What's ironic is u did all of this while basically proving both of our points. As I said and as he mentions in point #2, #3 and #4. A man's value is tied to the value of how he is perceived by other HV men thats how you grow businesses, get opportunity abd forged relationships. The reson why female opinion doesn't matter is because as you've proven women aren't able to separate emotion from logic. You took a written statement changed it because of how it made you feel and are now attempting to attribute it to the author, and what's even crazier is no one outside of me is calling you out. If you tried that around HV men, you probably would be forced to defend yourself, which is why men are less likely to do that, but because you're a female people look the other way.

[TheWolfLady87]

@Vegasrunner - my boyfriend makes $325,000 a year sweetie as a medical professional & consultant. I made 1.5 million dollar last year as an economic - ebay, amazon, etsy & shopify - store owner.

But do feel free to talk about business when you buy $5 knockoffs at Target.

What when you lack the intelligence to actually answer the question as to what a high value man is.
After all the borderline useless celebrities that you refer to contribute nothing to society except entertaining the simple minded dullards of society.

Whereas my boyfriend has been honored by state AND federal government for his work.

[Vegasrunner]

@TheWolfLady87 I think it's cute that those amounts impress you but not sure why you're sharing this information w/ me or what relevance target has to this discussion. The answer to that question waa literally put in the original post, you only need basic reading capability to read it. You do bring another interesting contradiction that goes to validate my original statement. Your boyfriend 300k is somehow valuable but a multi milllion dollar celebrities money isn't. It's these emotionally charged Irrational statements that disqualify women from having a say in the value of a man.

[RavVid]

Being a chronically contrary person, there is a circular nature in the definition. I am HV if I am respected by other HV men in the room.

But what makes them HV? Because they are respected as HV by the other HV men. It just sort of spins around and can't be absolute even if it works in practice.

It is going to be worse with women. A HV woman is likely to be disliked by all the other women and be called a pick me just because they like men.

[Vegasrunner]

@RavVid Actually you're misusing the definition of circular. A HV man is one who is seen as HV by other men of value. This simply means of men who have accomplished accolades view you as HV you're HV. Women can't be HV because they are valued by the quality of man they can retain.

[RavVid]

It is more of a recursive circular argument. A is because B is who is because C is and the only end is when we get to Adam if he is accepted universally as HV.

You are undercutting yourself by "This simply means of men who have accomplished accolades". For all practical purposes ( a fav phrase) I agree.

Also concur on HV women.

[Vegasrunner]

@RavVid TY. Glad you agree and glad I could educate you.

[RavVid]

Always willing :)

[DenizLikesTennis]

1. Boundaries in anything. Diet, spending money, being selective choosing a partner or whom to be friends with

2. Reading/knowledge

3. Independency/well organized. Knows how to take care of himself when his partner isn't available.

4. Kindness/friendly to everyone.

5. Good looking

[Moose304]

In my opinion, a high-value man is someone that has his crap in one sock. He takes care of his body and is self-reliant. He manages his responsibilities. If he makes a mess he owns it and cleans it up. Such a man also respects other people. A high-value man will always respect his lady. This does not mean he will put up with her bullshit when she is wrong.