Do you believe most women are Hypergamous (or they marry 'up')?

[Toad-1]

Many people seem to believe that. For instance in this video she presents the example that a Man might become a millionaire and be happy to financially support a woman who isn't working, but a millionaire woman will not do the same for a spouse.

Another example might be a man might happily support a stay at home mom, while a woman wouldn't support a stay at home dad.

Can also be things like women prefer a man who can give her the best possible offspring, dating a guy who is pretty well liked, popular, or famous.

Yes I beleive most women are hypergamous

No i do not beleive that

[Lady_Frost]

I am starting to think, that my efforts for my mytake to convince men otherwise were in vain.

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a50101-dear-men-we-don-t-want-your-money-get-over-yourselves-sincerely

We DO can be the moneymakers and many guys would complain, that we are independent (feminists?), who don't need a man. We DO can depend on the men and let them be the financial deciders and providers and we are labelled as hypergamous gold diggers.
This is just ridiculous. When will those guys make up their mind?
It's frustrating but then I can hardly say, that I'm surprised.

The reason why we are "hypergamous" is because we were made to be by guys like these. And who doesn't like free stuff and money? You'd be most certainly lying if you say you don't.

[Toad-1]

So basically it's men's fault girls are this way?

[Lady_Frost]

For a big part yes. If they are insisting on monetizing relationship like that like it was a business, then guess what? We start to think the same.
If you have to flash the cash to get a girl, then can you really expect a good woman to come to you or are you at least aware, that you get the kind of girls, that will enter in your life the same way as you attracted them?

Not to mention handling everyday things like a business especially relationships and making it all about the money leaves women very unhappy. But the truth is, that the women are following you guys because you guys are their emotional leaders. Make money the objective then guess what? Your woman will follow your lead and handle things like a business as well, adopts expensive tastes and lifestyles. There goes all the love down the drain.

I mean seriously. What ELSE could you possible expect from THAT? Just think about it.

[Toad-1]

seems like you're taking ALL the responsibility away from the women who do this themselves.

[realbiggrin]

Hate to say it but... yes, yes it is.

[Toad-1]

@realbiggrin www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2794404-the-reason-women-become-hypergamous-is-because-men-made-them-that

here you guys go, made a new question on this to talk about it.

[Lady_Frost]

You made it sound like I'm accusing men while at the same time trying to make women irresponsible. But it takes two to tango you know? It takes a gold digger and a sugar daddy to have a fake relationship based on the money. At the same time some guys choose to actually throw money at women like it's some sort of a ritual.
Also the way you worded your question makes it seem like a feminist said it. In fact I believe the votes would be different if you phrased your question and description a bit different with the details, that I have provided.

[Toad-1]

Whaaa... a lot of people are agreeing with you

[Lady_Frost]

And double the count disagree with it.

[Charleslvajr]

And for some reason an increasing number of people (mostly women) believe that stay at home mothers/wives need to be paid for their contribution to the household/family. So not only does the man have to pay all the bills to support the family (including said wife/mother) but has to pay a "fair" wage to said wife/mother (essentially $15/hour) for her to do her part for the family estate. If that's not a gold digging attitude you're going to have to explain, carefully, why it's not.

[Lady_Frost]

@Charleslvajr This is why I am career oriented, so I won't be draining any mans wallet.

[Charleslvajr]

That's cool. I like people who can take care of themselves. It gives everyone of maturity less to complain about and more to work with.

[Lady_Frost]

@Charleslvajr Indeed. Independence is not gender specific. Everyone needs it today.

[pineappleshortcare]

There are so many variables to this that I couldn’t even begin to know.

It’s hard to assume what is “natural” when resources and personal safety have been controlled by men for most of history.

Contrary to popular belief, women and children provided most calories/food in humans’ earliest existence through gathering - but men provided protein. But men have been larger and both more dangerous and more protective against danger forever.

Now that women are earning on par with men - if it stays this way for 100+ years, it’s be interesting to see what “natural” things are actually circumstantial. Humans seem adept at doing what they must to ensure the survival of the species, whether it’s what they would pick out of a magic catalog or not.

[pineappleshortcare]

Oops, I meant to put now that law and weaponry have evened out safety somewhat.

[pineappleshortcare]

There is also the factor that people are shown to date others in their social stratosphere. I’d be curious if the “marrying up” in blue collar societies is flip flopping as laborers (male traditionally) tend to lose ground in wages and job growth, while health care (female traditionally), tends to hold steady. These female nurses or even lower - lpns, etc aren’t usually pairing with CEO and stockbrokers. I personally know a lot of blue collar women who are basically supporting the family regularly, while the man brings home bigger but less predictable funds from contract work (drywalling, carpentry, concrete, etc).

[Izumiblu]

Those would also be considered gender roles.

I’m financially stable on my own, not independently wealthy. I wouldn’t mind if my guy wasn’t bringing home money for a while as long as he is making some type of investment for himself or the family or the community. Stay at home dad would not be part of that though cuz that’s what I wanna do at some point. Now if he just wants to work 8-5 and come home and goof off then no that ain’t gonna happen with me So I wouldn’t pick a guy like that. He and I would have similar values in this respect. By the same token I would never be with a guy just because he was rich. I’ll put everything into a relationship that I expect of my guy because I hold myself to an expectation not just him.

[Izumiblu]

And by the way this seems completely fair and reasonable to me.

[Toad-1]

it does, i dig it

[Izumiblu]

by the way, I say I hold him to an expectation. That isn’t entirely true, what he does he does of his own choice and that is part of why I find him attractive. He is his own guy and that’s how it should be.

[realbiggrin]

Damnit. I like you.

[Izumiblu]

@realbiggrin to be clear when I say I’ll put everything into a relationship I expect of him, that does not mean I expect to do the exact same things. Just that we should each contribute in our own ways.

[realbiggrin]

But contribute towards a common goal just the same. Such a simple concept isn't it? Amazing more people don't understand that if they're still about self they shouldn't be getting involved in a union in the first place.

[PrincessPie]

Yes, i do.
Its more likely that way round than the other.

[Toad-1]

you don't think men are just as hypergamous as women are as a couple people are suggesting?

[PrincessPie]

No, i don't.

[Toad-1]

Why not? in your opinion

[PrincessPie]

Just from what i've noticed it is more likely than the way round, from people i know, what i've seen etc.
Its more likely a wealthy man would except a jobless female than visa versa for example.

[Charleslvajr]

As has been my witness as well.

[PrincessPie]

Thank you 😊

[ThisDudeHere]

Although there are certain conscious as well as unconscious paths that both genders follow instinctively, I think that a person's actions should be first judged based on their individuality, not their gender. If a woman is hypergamous, that may not necessarily mean that it's merely because she was conditioned that way, raised that way or that it's in her instincts, but it could be because of life experiences. It could be that when younger she thought that being hypergamous would not be for her as she would marry for feelings, not wealth but perhaps bad experiences grew some apathy in her and thus she changed her mind. Who knows.

[JimRSmith]

I believe most women would like to be. I believe a lot of women feel they're entitled to it, particularly amongst millenials.

But plenty overestimate what they bring to the table, in this respect.

[Unit1]

Tricky question, tricky answer!
While hypergamy is an actual and common practice and despite me being completely disgusted about this practice I would say no, most women are not hypergamous.
My mother isn't (but she is obsessed about money-management like a gold digger would).
BUT!!!
Many women are hypergamous. Many women are also not hypergamous.
And at the same time, if the demand for pussy and the supply of dick is so high, would you really blame women for utilizing it while they are still young to get those benefits? I don't blame them but I don't want to be a victim or target of this for sure.

In the end I don't hang a price tag on my body unlike hypergamous females or gold diggers would. I would seek happiness with money being far behind in the back of my mind while also minding my expenses (how much does it cost to keep her?).

[Unit1]

Regarding your invite to your question, you have invited someone, who is planning to live a life without marriage and without kids...

[Toad-1]

Ok but you can still have an opinion on that concept I'm asking about.

[Unit1]

Sorry but it's really not my place to judge when I don't plan to get there.

[Toad-1]

Your choice

[SirBunBun]

Even though I'm pretty sure I don't, I see a lot of PEOPLE (so not just woman) do it. Even though for men it's more attractiveness than it is social standards.

Well hell, this is the internet so good luck flaming me. I can say I'm pretty attractive, and also happen to have the luck of being born into a rich family. But that is exactly why I waste away my time anonymously on the internet. I don't want any perks, I want to do it by myself.

For some people this will come off as irrelevant and stupid, but for others I hope to have given you a boost of confidence;

I by no means think highly of myself and honestly don't feel comfortable sharing this, but out of 50 people that flame and shun me I hope I can just help one. You are amazing, and you are appreciated.

[Ygritte_snow]

might be because as of now, more men are "higher placed" than women? not trying to start a debate on wage gap or anything haha just saying that CEOs (only 6.4% of the U. S.’s biggest companies (by revenue) are run by women - source : fortune.com/2017/06/07/fortune-500-women-ceos/) or directors or high placed employees are often men, while most women who work have decent, middle-wage jobs? which means most men make more money and are higher-placed than most women? maybe that will change when more women get to the top? I think it's already starting to change a bit, but that's just my two cents.
I don't know, just suppositions. I'm no expert x)

[Charleslvajr]

It's about time dedication. If you want to reach the top you have to be willing to put everything to the side for it. Family, fun, health, basically everything and I'm sorry (I don't mean to offend if I do) but most women aren't willing to do that and men are expected to do that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The reason why women are not CEO's is because they choose not to be. They don't want to work the 80 hour work weeks, they want "work life balance" as they say which is why women opt for jobs with more flexible schedules that may have lower pay then high paying jobs that are also far more demanding. Its also why women earn more money then men when they are single yet when married men earn more then their female married counterparts by a significant margin. i. e its choice not "placement".

[Tdieseler]

What rock have you been living under?
Don't try to put sprinkles on a turd... we ALL know women go to where the grass seems "greener"... dont call it hypergamy or some stupid shit.
Why do you think most of them end up getting abused... following the trail of the wrong shit.
There was a recent dilemma question that asked women that:
would you rather have a man who was a millionaire and was in all ways abusive, or a man that was earning average and was still abusive?
only a few percent of women said they would rather not be abused, the rest said they'd take the millionaire. I was stunned.

[Onlythisone]

I believe all people are... No one stays with someone they feel is beneath them (or no one will stay with a person who feels that way). This isn't a woman man thing it's a human thing. If someone feels used in a relationship for long enough they leave, male or female.

[abond008]

Lets be honest here, a male doctor is likely to be with a female nurse the. A female doctor with a male nurse. Women compting for jobs means that some men will be left out so at least they do not need to be too demanding off, that is all we ask for, is to be reasonable. Lets not kid ourselves her.

[Onlythisone]

@abond008 are jobs the only indicator of a person's value? Or are you saying they used to be and since guys don't have jobs anymore they can't get laid? Of course some people are left out, a lot of people are on both sides. That doesn't mean people should be with each other out of pity, you find things you value in people, and you be valuable in return. No one gets anything without effort.

[abond008]

I am not saying... all what I say is I wish women and they are smart to be a bit more reasonable in their demands nothing more or less.

[abond008]

I am not Mgtow, not a redpillar, not manosphere. But these guys are losing their minds for a reason and it is good for women to know some men frustrations. Some of these guys are successful, get laid often and still have some resentment. So It is simply we both sexes understanding each other more to build healthier realtionships.

[WhistleForTheChoir]

Gross oversimplification. No one stays with someone they think is beneath them, but hypergamy means women marry up for social status specifically, offering their looks for trade, which is something that has happened in every society even back to hunter-gatherers (even though they didn't really "marry", but you catch my drift).
However, the inverse to this is that men try to marry women more attractive than them.

[Onlythisone]

@WhistleForTheChoir you can choose to see it as a simplification or not, I'm not here to do your thinking for you. You are still only looking at one side. "Beauty=power" but there are a lot of other forms of social status, and beauty by itself is actually detrimental to status, i. e. poor and beautiful without protection and you'll be passed around. You see the trade only from the female side but the same trade is on both sides for different types of status. Females trade for status that grants protection in the form of money, or strength, or commitment. Men trade for status in the form of power, something that makes them look stronger to other men, a beautiful woman, doting, compliant, but they also use other symbols because it's more about posturing than protection. A nice car, fancy watch, muscles... These things aren't for women they are to project an image to other men that you can't be fucked with. The goal is the same the methods just different.

[WhistleForTheChoir]

@Onlythisone Well, I think there is a difference between women (who historically had very little or no agency) marrying men of higher castes, classes and social groups, and men essentially making a beautiful woman into an accessory. Hypergamy refers specifically to the human tendency to try and gain the affections, protection and commitment of someone of a higher status. For a very clear-cut example of stratified statuses, think of India's caste system. All societies have this stratification to some extent, but that would just be a very rigid, obvious example. Also, you are right and I did mis-speak. Hypergamy is not an explicitly female phenomenon; however, viewed through the lens of a patriarchal society it pretty much always has been in practice. For most of human history a woman's choice of husband was her only chance to advance her status at all. And just to be clear, I don't think beauty=power, but it's the only bargaining chip when women are seen as objects.

[WhistleForTheChoir]

Also want to say that even though I'm disagreeing with you, it's clear that your argument is very well thought out and I don't think you are wrong or I'm right. Just different views.

[Onlythisone]

@WhistleForTheChoir of course, I think this is one of those things that is primarily about emphasis, the side seen will always be the most apparent. I think it is only as obvious once being arm candy, you are there to make a guy look impressive to other men. It isn't like "ooh shiny" your job is to make them jealous of him, make them wonder what he has. They actually did studies of teenage boys to find out what has caused the influx of interest in anal sex and the answers were in greater words that it isn't liked as much but it is more impressive to tell your friends. The female role isn't to be a good woman it's to make him look good to other men (not writing that in agreement with the notion, but I think it is the natural state that people grow out of as they have more partners and learn what qualities are most admirable)

[Felicia5567]

I think traditionally maybe, but with women gaining more access to high paying positions and being more welcome in the workforce, it's getting more acceptable to marry someone with less income.

I found that it's an issue with men not choosing women above their pay grade too. There are friends of mine who ran into issues with that when men felt uncomfortable about not being the main breadwinner.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its because women don't like it when the man isn't the breadwinner, women who out earn their partners by a significant amount report higher levels of disatisfaction in their relationships and are far more likely to cheat and divorce. If a guy wants a solid dependable relationship, he needs to make sure he out earns the woman because she will not be happy otherwise.

[DodgersGM]

There are some in both genders. Typically, you have hypergamous females who want to marry above their financial class, and then you've got hypergamous males who want to marry someone more conventionally attractive than they are.

They tend to make good pairs: cdn-01.independent.ie/.../...1_lif_25371930_I1.JPG

[AzureGirl]

Eh, I can’t speak for all women, but I certainly don’t feel that way personally. Most of the time in my relationship I’ve been the one who’s had the money and the car but I never minded. And if my boyfriend wanted to be a stay at home Dad one day then I would be totally fine with that. I would rather him be happy over anything. But that’s just me.

[WhistleForTheChoir]

Hypergamy is real, but it has to be understood through the context of a patriarchal society. This was literally the only chance for women of lower social status to improve their situation throughout most of history, and even today women's earning potential doesn't match that of men.

[FatherJack]

Overall , yes , this is simply evolutionary biology in action , a woman will naturally seek a provider & a protector , nothing to be bitter about , that's life !! This is why men can make themselves more potentially attractive , by working hard on themselves first.

[bubble_tea]

Yes, though most men do too. They prefer women from an equal social group than a lower group. And many wouldn't mind marrying up, they just can't find as many suitors, since there are more millionaire men than millionaire women.

[bubble_tea]

Forgot to add, in both cases it's the same only reason why they would marry down. He or she is much younger and super hot.

[Charleslvajr]

I know quite a few men who "married down" and as much as I like them, those girls are not that hot.

[bubble_tea]

@Charleslvajr It's like French, there are exceptions to every rule.

[Charleslvajr]

Since they out number the ones I've met who "married up", I would suggest by field research that the ones who "marry up" are the exceptions to the rule.

[bubble_tea]

@Charleslvajr My comment was related to marrying down for something else other than looks as being an exception. Also I agree that men marrying up rarely happens for many reason, but if you've read the definition of hypergamy, you would know that hypergamy also means marrying someone from an equal social group. As long as guys marrying down doesn't outnumber the guys marrying within, hypergamy also holds true for men.

[Charleslvajr]

I will concede that. My issue, I guess, is I never used the word Hypergamy for men. I know it's gender neutral, before we go there. That still doesn't equate to marrying up in social status or wealth.

[Charleslvajr]

That's also why I never used the word Hypergamy.

[bubble_tea]

@Charleslvajr If we can agree that 1 people marrying down usually do it for looks (maybe those women weren't hotties to you, but still much hotter compared to him?), and 2 that men usually care more about looks than women do, and 3 that there are more rich men than rich women, then logic dictates that there are more women marrying up than men. There actually are a surprising number of rich older women keeping male companions much younger than them and like to help them out with gifts and save them from financial troubles. They just don't make it public by marrying them, to avoid gossip and scandal.

[Charleslvajr]

I cannot agree to any of that. Rich women abound. Especially when you consider widows. As for caring more about looks, not in the women we marry, no. The ones we have casual encounters with yup. That's the reason for the hook up. And again, marry down is not necessarily for looks. You are definitely trying to push the onus of this onto men. Women drive this train. They are the gate keepers on sexuality. Short of rape, men do not have the choice here and no sane person condones rape. This puts the hypergamous behaviors most especially in the court of the females.

[bubble_tea]

@Charleslvajr Even including the widows, there are 10x more rich men than rich women. If I'm pushing the onus on this onto men, you're pushing the onus on this onto women. Richer men don't have to marry poorer women, true, then why do they? Did the women put a gun to their heads? No. Are those women withholding sex from them until they do? Maybe, but does that mean they have to marry those women? No, so why do they? You don't live in a country where no woman is willing to have sex before marriage. There are plenty of other women available, why would you choose to be 'forced' into marriage by that one woman? Is she the only one willing to have sex with you that you feel like you have no choice?

[Charleslvajr]

You're getting hysterical. Settle down.

[bubble_tea]

@Charleslvajr It's ok, you don't have to answer.

[raspberry0416]

You should be asking why are so many men happy to marry women "below" them, some even preferring women who are less intelligent than they are.

[Unit1]

Yikes! That is a quite decent argument hit for the men :/
That is... very thought provoking.

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I figure it might have something to do with men choosing specifically young women in their primes (18-25 years of age, which the women aren't such big moneymakers like the men, who go after them).

[raspberry0416]

Right. And women who will eventually become moneymakers aren't trying to get married when they are 18-25. They are usually still in school or working hard.

[Unit1]

I figured it was us, the men, who feed into this problem, yet complain about it at the same time.
I mean like really?
Anyway there is that now.
Hypergamy may be a troubling thing for me but then again if I don't want to be any part of this, then I have to do just that and not become myself one of those, who complain about hypergamy but then choose the hypergamous types of females.

But what else could I do?

[Toad-1]

To lots of guys it is about looks and girls tend (but not always) look their best in their 20s.

It can also be about personality too. To a lot of guys they don't care what the girl does for a living or how much she makes they just like here for her personality.

Then you also do have the guys who like to dominate over a woman not just in the bedroom either. Yeah they will choose a girl less intelligent than them cause they may feel it's easier to control or dominate them.

So a few reasons.

[raspberry0416]

@Unit1
You are spot on. Men do feed into this problem, but they turn around and complain about women being gold diggers and hypergamous whores who don't give average guys a chance.

Well, maybe if the men weren't all chasing the youngest, hottest women, there wouldn't be any gold-digging to begin with. But we all know that's never going to happen, so the wheels on the bus keep turning.

[Unit1]

Suddenly women are easy to understand 😱 at least we agree on that. Listening really does pay off 😊.
I knew i had reasons to love women 😍☺

I guess in other words we could say the shallow will date the shallow and their numbers aren't even so small. Those examples are picked up by the others and may follow it. Then there are those like me, who have their own perspective when it comes to dating. It may or may not be a common perspective but nevertheless it's still *MUCH * better than seeing women as hypergamous and seeing men as koreogamous (seeking younger mates and mating with them).

This is worthy a MHO. Also check out lady frost opinion 😀 hers is also worthy a MHO 🙂.

[raspberry0416]

@Unit1
I think it helps to see the bigger picture. No one exists in a vacuum, and just pointing fingers at someone doesn't solve the problem.
But I'm glad to see that this helped you.

[Unit1]

Thank you lady ☺

[hellionthesagereborn]

https://youtu.be/5oyrG3PcgLk

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its because its hard to find a woman who will have sex with you so men are less choosy. Plus women demand that the man be a provider (hence women who out earn their partners being significantly less happy in their relationship and more likely to cheat and divorce as opposed to women who are not the bread winners). So if he wants a stable relationship he has to make more then her because she cares, not because he particularly cares.

[raspberry0416]

@hellionthesagereborn
Ew that's a horrible video. Yes we get it guys are horny. We don't give a fuck.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its a joke but it does prove a point, if you want some one who out earns you that means the man has to by extension in order to be with you have a different set of priorities to you. That is what he was saying. That we shame men because they are interested in a woman for things other then her career or how much she earns, meanwhile because that's women's criteria it necessitates that men in order to be in a relationship with them have different criteria. So basically don't be upset by it, just accept it. If you want a guy who is tall, he has to want some one who is short, if you want a guy who is smarter then you, he is going to have to want some one dumber then him, its that simple.

[Unit1]

Hypergamy and koreogamy fall into place and feed each other. It's my duty to stay away from this vicious practice. Even if it means I could die a kissless virgin 🤔😱😐
Still better than selling myself out.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Unit1 Do you like attractive women? I think the obvious answer is yes, so does that mean you only like women who are attractive and could care less about their personality, their feelings? That you only see them as a thing to have sex with or as a whole person? I think again the answer is very obviously that no you see them as people and other aspects matter. That's what hypergamy is to women. If she only cares about the material she is a gold digger and yes you should (as all people) stay far away from a woman like that. BUT if that is only one trait of many that she judges you on, then that is no different then you judging a woman on her looks as well as many others and this is perfectly natural. Its biology. Just don't go to the extremes and your usually fine.

[Unit1]

@hellionthesagereborn I don't need lectures. I know I like attractive women and I have seen attractive women of all ages. I disregard the amount of salary as I wish mine would be too. I mostly care more about things, that are in control of a person than things, that are out of their control.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Unit1 It wasn't a lecture, it was pointing out that the two are not that different, both are focused on a certain trait of the individual that facilitates the most optimal outcome for reproduction/childrearing which a lot of people do not realize. Just as women complain about how men care about looks, men complain about women caring about money. Both are doing the same thing but because they don't have context and they don't put themselves in the other shoe, both feel that they are being unfairly judged when that is not the case. It was an attempt to show perspective.

[Unit1]

@hellionthesagereborn I can clearly see that.

[raspberry0416]

@hellionthesagereborn
I'm not angry about it. The comic just sounds like a douche.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Unit1 Yet you stated that hypergamy was a "vicious practice"? I was merely stating that is not the case, its no different then male attraction, or most everything else in life. That is that its perfectly fine if not necessary so long as its kept within certain parameters.

[hellionthesagereborn]

But does the comic have a point? I think he does, though really the issue is biology not socialization. Males preffer physical because that's whats going to ensure the woman and the child survive child birth. Women on the other hand prioritize "ambition" because its going to increase the odds of the man acquiring status and wealth which in turn ensures that the family has the maximum amount of resources at their disposal in order to increase their survival. Again, its only an issue if you ignore all other characteristics, then its just objectification which women do just as much as men.

[raspberry0416]

@hellionthesagereborn
I already knew that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

But your question was why men do that and it gave the impression that their was something wrong with men who don't have the same criteria as you/women do?

[Belgie]

For a woman to marry up, a man would have to marry down. And considering how shit marriage is in the first place, I can't believe most men would get married if they were marrying down.

[Alessus]

I would assume men are as well. I mean why wouldn't you choose a partner of higher status over on that is below you, all other aspects being equal?

[VegetaSSB]

i believe women are indeed hypergamous, but that arises from the fact that the minimal investiment of procreation exerted by women are higher than the minimal investment of men, so it´s a fair trade.

[ManOnFire]

This is very true, yes. A woman won't date or marry a man with no car and works part-time, but a man would still date or marry a woman who takes the bus and works part-time.

[RidingForever2]

If men are so easily seduced for that to happen we can see who holds the true power in society.

[Toad-1]

So basically men who marry down are easily seduced?

[RidingForever2]

I think so yes, I think women put far more effort in finding a good partner than men do. I think more men are lazy when it comes to finding a partner.

[freakyzeaky]

That is probably because of the way men and women are wired around sex. Men get off so much easier than women and by extension, men do not have to be as discerning if all they want to do is bust a nut. Women on the other hand usually need some kind of emotional connection and mental comfort to loosen up and reach orgasm. That requires them to be charmed, led around in the dance of seduction, etc.

So with that in mind, a woman is naturally going to be more discerning with men than the reverse.

Also so many men are "nice". They are taught from an early age to seek women's approval and to put women's needs before their own. They think they have to prove themselves, but then again, a woman being more discerning naturally sets things up that way. They look for unhealthy and flawed women to "fix", it is their way of hiding their own flaws and shortcomings.

[Unit1]

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[TacosRAwesome]

I think most people marry someone who is overall on their level. Now if one partner happens to be more successful than the other, that just means that.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

People marrying the same level is a consequence of that hypergamy, not an argument against it.

It’s not a coincidence that it happens to be men as the more successful partner more often.

[TacosRAwesome]

@AllThatSweetJazz never said I disagree. Just that most couples are balanced.

[Kuraj]

I think all women are hypergamous, not most.
Women only ever seek superior partners, and social status/wealth is simply one of the easiest ways for women to determine male superiority.

[johnboymuscles]

Women much more so because men and women on primal level wabt different things. Women want security. In to days world that means money. Men want something that looks good and makes a meal from the food he brings home