Why do a lot of women gaslight men about looks?

[Anonymous]

a lot of guys will say that women care about looks a lot and sometimes it feels like they care more than men do. But when a guy is struggling and talks about this, women immediately will say things like "it's your attitude" "your personality is garbage" or the best one "you have incel vibes". a lot of men will tell them their experiences but it's always disregarded and they're also called whiners. Women have no idea how extremely brutal & diffucult dating can be. Especially when you're not a hot or very good looking guy. Im already expecting to hear more insults thrown my way. I don't care. Have at it if you will. But why do women gaslight men about looks when men tell them that from their experiences women care very very much?

[letstalk_]

Aren't both sexes were experiencing the same thing at some point, and it's really unfortunate, but I guess that's just how the world works. Not everyone is sensitive enough on their behaviour. Anyone could be a victim of gaslighting and those who frequently experience it were those who were more emotionally attached to the other partner. I know it's difficult to detach from someone you value, but if you can't fix the situation with relationship therapy or by talking just let it go. We can't really make people change, but we can always choose the well being of ourselves.

[Asker]

It's not complaining and it's not being a victim. Im a blackpiller and just making observations in the dating world. It's brutal for men & you have to either adapt or fade in the background

[letstalk_]

Alright, yes, males were experiencing brutality, but females do too, those from third sex does too. I understand your sentiment that it is not fair that males go through such discriminatory occurrence for a mere facade. But that's just how the world or the dating world works, it has both negative and positive aspects. Superficial people exist.

[Asker]

And a lot of and i mean a lot of guys are going to be single & virgins for life. It's brutal but yeah like you said. That's life. The black pill life

[shaysh87]

you say that because there is a good chance you're trying to chase the hottest of the hottest girls while you're just an average looking guy. You wonder, "there's nothing wrong with the way I look, why are they rejecting me? its not fair".

Men value a woman's looks more than a woman value a man's looks. I know this for a fact.

Maybe go for women within your league and you won't get rejected as much.

[shaysh87]

why do women work so hard with makeup, cosmetic surgeries, fashion, fad diets, expensive skin care? because beauty in women is extremely important to get a man's attention.

why do men always go for younger women?

[Asker]

"you say that because there is a good chance you're trying to chase the hottest of the hottest girls while you're just an average looking guy" nope. I don't need a model and a lot of other men don't need models. Average looking women are fine & id be more than happy to date one. But average looking women don't want to date average looking men. Average looking men are in the bottom 80%. There's data showing that women find 80% of men unattractive. Only the top 20% of men are getting women and are sexually active. Males between the ages 18-30 are sexually inactive. Women value looks more than men. And here's the thing, there's nothing wrong with that. Women are allowed to have these high stabsards. But what annoys me is how they say men are shallow, have unrealistic expectations etc. Yet they're the ones that find most men unattractive. And you can be an average, hell even below average looking girl and guys will find her atteactive. Girls really don't have to do much. In the dating world, guys have to work their asses off. That's just the way it is

[Agagagagaga]

Why do women seem to typically go for older men?

You go on and on about how women care so much about their looks, and that men should “stay within their own league” yet there are countless examples of absurdly hot women being perfectly willing to give it up to some wrinkled old man or fat blob because he’s rich. Did those men “stay in their league”? No. They are fucking super models.

Unless you think that physical attractiveness is just another commodity on par with individual wealth.

[shaysh87]

@Agagagagaga

Because old ugly guys have money. What do you have to offer? Nothing

[shaysh87]

@asker

Maybe because you’re probably unattractive. Go for unattractive women, they’d be more likely to date you

[Asker]

Lol not even the unattractive ones want to. Men give them attention too. Dating is brutal for men. Just the way it is

[Agagagagaga]

Oh what do I personally have to offer?

Now you’re resorting to pointed insults. Why? Because you’re a low class person.

You don’t know me. You know absolutely nothing about me, my finances, career, my relationship status, the size of my cock, or how good I am in bed.

Your childish little insult says waaaaaay more about you than it ever does me.

Up your game little girl. Up. Your. Game.

[shaysh87]

@Asker

quit lying. men don't go for unattractive women. One of the biggest reasons why men have it so hard in dating is because men in their 20,30,40s tend to only go for women only under 40. This creates a lot of competition amongst men while women under 40 tend to get wayy too many options. When you're an average looking woman under 40, she has plenty of options. She doesn't need to go for an unattractive young guy or an aging old man. She can have her pick.

And another thing that you need to realize why dating is harder for men is, because men need women more than women need men. Women don't have as strong of a sex drive or a desire to procreate. Men have a way bigger urge to have sex than women. This is why you're seeking so much while you're getting so little in return.

Like I said, stick to women closer to your own league. You will have much better luck.

As far as I know, men only tend to go for good looking girls. Unattractive women are typically ignored, mistreated or shamed.

[shaysh87]

@Agagagagaga

you're past your prime. men around your age are typically married and have children.

[Asker]

Again men go for all kinds of women. Men aren't just chasing models. And the numbers don't lie. 80% of men are unattractive & male virginity is rising too. Am i blaming wonen for this? No. But it just shows that men and women are not the same in the dating world and men dont have these high stabsards which prevents them from being dateable. And yeah if those men are married, they had to wait 15 years later. Women chase the top tier when they're younger and then settle later on if they can't get that top tier man

[shaysh87]

@asker

I do think you’re lying cus I know for a fact vast majority of men are not virgins. And that men hate ugly women

[shaysh87]

@asker

Take a look at how women over 30 get bullied and shitted on here by men.

[Asker]

That's your delusion. Onlyfans subscriptions are rising too and guess who's paying those subs? Men. 80/20 rule doesn't lie. It's okay to chase high value men. You're not evil or a bad person for it. It's a tough pill to swallow but this is how the actual dating world works. And here we go with "i know plenty of" blah blah blah. Exceptions don't disprove the rule

[shaysh87]

@asker

You’re just an ugly unattractive guy who is unwilling to go after ugly girls. Pretty typical

[Asker]

You make assumptions because you have no actual rebuttal. Ill give you an A+ for effort

[Asker]

You tried

[shaysh87]

@asker

Good looking guys have no problem getting girls, fact that you have no game shows you’re an ugly guy with high standards

[Agagagagaga]

@shaysh87 fact is you’re a hateful dolt. Prove me wrong.

[Asker]

@Agagagagaga She's delusional man. You can show her stats & data and she'll still deny it

[Oigit]

Both sides do it and both sides can be very quick to say the other side does it more. It comes from people covering up their insecurities buy trashing the other. Also the finger point as well as the back and forth is like blaming a sibling for something you did. It does not matter how much you blame your sibling for something you did, it does not change the fact that you did it.

[Asad1ONE1]

It's called sexism. And your post is but one of countless other scenarios. Unfairness is the "bane" of life. Gender inequality is a b**ch. A tough pill to swallow, but one you MUST swallow 💊. Or else it's you that will suffer emotionally. Life is short. Act like it.

[InferiorElegy]

I don't really have any good experiences with females, I've had what I thought were female friends but looking back on my life. Being told how great I am and how dateable I would be if I wasn't as ugly as I am. The worst things about my looks were said to me by my own family, specifically my mother who thought I ruined their perfect family image of handsome sons and beautiful daughters. I am not going to list off all bad experiences I've had with females but I will end off saying that on this site times when I talk about experiences as an ugly guy with females, there are females that dm me and tell me I should die, or kill myself. My bad experiences don't mean I hate females, they are just bad experiences and that's just life as an ugly guy.
As an ugly guy like me, there is no support or care in life, most other guys will say negative things and females just don't care.

The only thing that matters in life is if you're attractive, both sides want that.

[LZPanzer]

I recently had a woman (already in a relationship) rewrite my entire dating profile from the ground up.

She is constantly surprised that I can't get anything. It's some what amusing how clueless women are about the male dating experience.

[Bel88]

Of course we care about appearance! That's something that I have never denied. Maybe it's just the type of women you're interacting with.

[Asker]

didn't say they didn't. But they downplay and always bring up personality mattering in the end blah blah blah. Women care and find only 20% of men attractive

[Bel88]

If women only find 20% of men attractive, then how is it that about 99% of men eventually find a girlfriend?

[Asker]

They dont. Where did you pull that statistic?

[Bel88]

I got that percentage from real life; you know, the world that is outside your window and away from the computer screen.

[Asker]

Use something other than I've seen this person with this person blah blah blah. Data & reaserch>what you've seen

[NYCQuestions1976]

Initial physical attraction is always going to be somewhat important for women and men. It's just a part of life.

[Asker]

That's not why i asked this question though

[LegendaryIcon]

Women: Men objectify women

Also women:

Women will say lots of things... it's more about what they DO, that matters

[Asad1ONE1]

Perfect.

[LegendaryIcon]

why i didn't get mho then, i dk

[bamesjond0069]

I don't know im hot so i dont think i can understand exactly.

[Blonde401]

It’s not gaslighting. Like when a guy feels that bad about himself he can take it out on those around him and it’s that attitude that is off putting

[Asker]

I just said that it's not always his attitude or personality. His looks can be a problem. That's the biggest problem more than anything

[Anonymous]

Women would rather have a fat wallet than fat penis or a good looking guy.

[Outofthegrey]

I don't really follow.

[Uptowngirl88]

y'all gaslight about your dick size

[Asker]

I lost braincells reading that

[Uptowngirl88]

Good read it again 🤣🤣

[Babygirl_S]

I think men do it as well.

[Asker]

Nope. Not nearly enough as women