How come you're likely to see an overweight girl with a fit guy than the opposite?

[Anonymous]

And here's the thing, i get it's a preference and women can date whoever they want. But how come women feel they're shamed for being fat when there's guys out there that will date them?

[Anonymous]

Maybe it’s more likely in your area, but where I’m at women will definitely date a heavier guy. Here’s the thing, not every woman is shallow and honestly it gives a sense of protection. I doubt you frequent TikTok or even care to use it, but #bigtok is a great example of this.

[Asker]

But women are not shallow for wanting a fit athletic type man. He's a high value man and that's what women want and that's fine

[Opinion Owner]

There are women who specifically want for athletic men, just like there are men who only want fit, athletic women, and won’t date anyone larger so yes, these specific groups are shallow. But those men don’t speak for the masses, same goes for those women. Not every single person on this planet equates athletic bodies, and for you to say otherwise is literally baseless, biased, and flat out untrue.

[Opinion Owner]

**equates athletic bodies to to general value and worth.

[Asker]

Most women do. You have your rare exceptions that dont find these men attractive but most women in general want these type of men. Fit, lean athletic and dominant. Again there's nothing wrong with that

[Opinion Owner]

Rare exceptions? Lol I literally told you where you can find SEVERAL, and it is far from rare. If you’re to lazy or disinterested in looking for yourself then that’s fine, but don’t discredit me for the sake of being stubborn and not wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

**too

[Asker]

Rare exceptions don't disprove the rule ma'am

[Opinion Owner]

Which rule? The one you’ve come up with based off of personal experience in your own area? Going off your logic that’s essentially like saying “everyone loves oatmeal aside from rare exceptions”, which as I’m sure you could imagine, is completely false and asinine.

[Opinion Owner]

Even in your comment to the other person you say “where I’ve been”, further proving that you are going off of what you’ve personally witnessed. Not every body on this planet share your own experience, and if you’re genuinely saying that out of the billion people on this entire planet, only a few women like heavy guys then that’s absolutely ridiculously and blatantly dense.

[Asker]

That there's always a general rule. Most women in GENERAL prefer men that are fit athletic tall and are attractive to a lot of women. These are high value men. In the dating through a man's lens men must build value to be someome women want to date. But just because a few rare exceptions dont date these kind of men, doesn't meam most women will

[Asker]

80 /20 rule. Today most women find 80% of men unattractive and only the top 20% of men attractive. These are your high value men

[Opinion Owner]

Like I said, these are your own baseless generalizations, and if you choose to stand behind them then that’s absolutely fine, but you don’t speak for the masses, sir, and strike me as someone who is not well-traveled. I’m sure you will say otherwise, since you clearly are not a fan of being wrong, but if you don’t get out of your bubble of a town much then I can’t blame you for taking what happens in your surroundings and making that the universal “rule”. The world is bigger than just what you see, and not everyone operates the same. I gave you an actual, factual location to go and see exactly how COMMON it is for women to date bigger guys, not rare at all, and that is my sole point of why I even commented. So like I said, if you disagree and you prefer to live in your own head, fine. But don’t sit there and say “these are the percentages, rules, and standards of women”, when it’s all baseless and quite comical being told from a man how a woman’s mind works lol but hey, do what makes you happy.

[Asker]

You're a woman, im a man. We see the dating world through different lens. And men know women better than you do. Men have to have skill to attract women which takes time to learn. And i don't expect you to agree because most women wouldn't agree. It's a red pilled mindset that women don't want to hear and that's fine. One thing i will not do though is be a naive blue pilled man in the dating world

[Opinion Owner]

You know how I know this conversation is over? The fact that I address your talking points and you refuse to address mine. Instead you just keep rambling off about your ideals of dating life and the woman’s mind. Do you know what “baseless” means? I’ve repeatedly said it. It means I provided fact, and you did not. I told you where to find proof, which includes thousands of videos and even more comments from women literally proving you wrong. You, on the other hand, throw out nonsensical percentages and your own personal beliefs. Like I’ve said several times but you keep disregarding: NOT EVERYONE THINKS THE SAME WAY YOU DO. Period. That’s just common freaking sense. Also you don’t have to worry about being a blue pilled man in the dating world because I highly doubt you have any success there anyway. That’s the only way someone can come to these radical conclusions you keep conjuring up.

[Asker]

There are millions of men that would you disagree with you and tell you that the dating world is not sunshine and rainbows for men. Men have to create value. Women have to protect the value they already have. And not everyone thinks the same way you do is a poor argument. Just like the typical "I've seen so and so with this person" or "I know plenty of men that" blah blah blah. Exceptions again dont disprove the GENERAL rule. You can bring up individualism all you want. But there's always a general thing women are looking for

[Opinion Owner]

Sure, there can be millions of men who disagree and believe that only fit, athletic, handsome men have a fighting chance in the dating world. But there are also millions who have beautiful girlfriends and they themselves are overweight, or what you feel is “unlikely” to be seen with someone you deem out of their league. Your generalization is laughably broad and does NOT speak for the masses, simply your own personal experiences. Especially not in this day and age where body positivity is at its peak. Skinny, super athletic individuals are the standard for some when looking for a partner, but you’re far more likely to see much more diverse pairings. This generation is far more open minded than what you would’ve seen in the early 2000s and before.

[Opinion Owner]

Anyway, we’ve been ping ponging this conversation back and forth for two days, it’s gone no where and I’d rather not continue on with it. You have your perspective and I have mine so we’ll leave it at that.

[Asker]

Sure were not going to change eachother's minds so lets agree to disagree

[LazerBean]

I don't really think I've ever seen an overweight girl with a fit guy, it's usually overweight girls with twiggy emaciated guys.

[Asker]

Where I've been, its the opoosite. Women only want to date fit athletic men and that's perfectly okay