Do most girls rely on a guy to make the first move so that they can get into a relationship?

[chris_987]

I was watching this interaction between a guy and a girl and it was clear that the girl kept on staring at the guy crotch when he wasn't looking and he just didn't get the hint so she never ended up going any further with him.

But isn't that how most women go through life? They can only sleep with men that have enough game to get them in bed.

Or do you disagree?

[Bethany22]

Yeah it's a catch 22. If a guy has enough confidence to approach you, he has enough confidence to approach a lot of women. So she better not care about infidelity.

[chris_987]

Lol someone actually thought about this

[Night_Angel]

I don't expect the man to make the first move. The idea that the man should make the first move is no longer as valid as it used to be. If I like a guy, I approach him.

[chris_987]

Hypothetically speaking yes but in general, women are less confident than men, hence the constantly looking mirrors and asking people what they think is socially acceptable. So it makes sense that if they're not as confident that they rely on confident people to initiate stuff in their life.

[Night_Angel]

I do not agree. Women do not look in the mirror because they are insecure. Not every woman who does not take the first step lacks self-confidence. The reason for women's lack of self-confidence may be the understanding that men should always take the first step.

[chris_987]

No women are less confident in general because of men. Woman use social shame and peer pressure as tactics to get somebody to change. That only works well when you're less confident. Men don't respond well to shame or social pressure as well as women do so we actually are more confident in that area.

They've done studies for generations about this so it is what it is.

Women get plastic surgeries at a higher rate than men. If you undergo a procedure where you're most likely to die just to change your appearance and you don't think that's a sign of a insecure person then I don't know what to say to you.

[Night_Angel]

Women who are insecure also undergo plastic surgery, but not every woman who has plastic surgery is insecure. Likewise, women who adorn themselves are not insecure. Because they like to be showy and well-groomed, they adorn themselves and take care of themselves. Women like to look good. Confidence isn't just about looks. Generally, it is not women who are insecure, but women who do not like themselves who have plastic surgery. The fact that the media constantly directs women to plastic surgery and that women attach more importance to their appearance than men is also the reason why plastic surgery is preferred. Not every beautiful woman is self-confident, not every ugly woman is insecure.

[chris_987]

I would say the majority of women who think there ugly are insecure but so are men. We only think we have no flaws if outside world reinforces that believe.

[Night_Angel]

A person who is aware that he/she is ugly and whom everyone calls ugly continues to find herself ugly despite the outside world.

[chris_987]

Humans are social creatures so it makes sense we get our confidence from outside forces. We would die without social interaction.

[Night_Angel]

If everyone tells someone she is ugly, I think she will believe what the people around her say, not what the media says she is beautiful.

[chris_987]

No, but you're not allowed to call people ugly anymore or fat. So a lot of women who don't get attention. Believe it, they're not ugly. Because we've shamed people into not voicing their preferences.

[Night_Angel]

There are ugly women and beautiful women everywhere.

[chris_987]

Yeah but they don't know that, if you ask them they'll think there a 10

[Tharithi]

No , women think a guy who doesn’t propose them doesn't have balls , she was looking to make sure

[chris_987]

And you would only sleep with guys that have balls?