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This makes no sense. I understand the prospect of ageism is wrong, yes, but what you've actually said on it sounds (sorry to say) painfully naive.
How is that? I never said young people can't be stupid - I just said that you dont know if they actually know what they are talking about or not, so you dont know if it has anything to do with their age. They are sitting behind a screen, and you know anything about their experiences. You can choose to disagree with them, and that is a different thing, I'm just saying dont tell them to their face that they can't have a voice on this subject because of their age.
"When a child learns that adults are always right, and you should do whatever they say, they don't form their own opinions in life. Guess what, If an adult comes over to them and say 'I'm not touching you inappropriately, this is alright, just trust me. This will be our little secret okay?' what are they gonna do? You taught them always to listen to adults, right? Then this could happen."
You just took a very complex issue and, because you don't have children at all, decided that you would make it really simple as an example. Because that's definitely the majority of the problem; parents tell their children that Uncle Charlie's affections are to be taken as a norm and they just believe it.
You have no children.
Experience? It speaks volumes. You just shot yourself in the face with this one.
You proved my point by saying I don't have children - how would you know? you don't know me. What I am trying to say is that people judge people upon their age even though they don't know if they actually know what they are talking about or not. I could have children? And you don't know?
You don't. Don't even pretend you do.
Im not pretending like I do - Im just simply saying you dont know about it, cause Im behind a screen. That's why you dont get to be the judge and say what I know and what I dont know. You can feel free to say you disagree, but you can't comment on my life-experience.
"That's why you dont get to be the judge and say what I know and what I dont know. "
If I don't judge what you say and know then how the hell am I supposed to weigh your advice against someone else's? This is what I mean by someone who just doesn't know what they are saying.
If a man off the street, no credentials, tells you something and says that your professors are all wrong, all with years of experience, the fact that you suggest you would weigh them the same "because I can't judge him and what he knows" is...
Just stop hurting your own case and... Ah well.
Let me be clear: The people who say "You don't know me!" and "You can't judge me!" typically don't know much and can't offer anything. The people who are of merit often want to be judged expressing themselves and putting their opinions out there for ridicule on purpose and the ones who are doing this are willing to TELL you who they are rather than try to use anonymity as a weapon.
In short you have it backwards.
You can feel free to weigh me against other people based of my age. Just dont use it as an argument to why I am wrong, when all my other arguments were well written. Then its not like a person stopping you on the street who doesn't explain why they think what they think. Then it is like one of your slightly younger friends who has a well argued opinion and can explain why they think what they think.
Sure if the person can't argue to why they think what they think, throw their opinion in the bin, but dont go blaming it on their age, when you aren't sure that is the case to why they can't argue to their reasons.
"Sure if the person can't argue to why they think what they think, throw their opinion in the bin, but..."
But how can I listen to your argument when you yourself don't actually have the skill to articulate what you mean to say? Again, simply stating ageism is wrong is one thing, but then you go forth and further and just butcher your point. In this exchange, a mere hour, you've undone yourself basically stating that ad hominem is wrong, fine, but then stating that your own assertions about being able to adequately judge and listen are just complete bunk!
Basically you gave parenting advice as a non-parent. Obvious as hell. You talk about taking rational concepts that are well constructed but can't do that yourself. You state that experience shouldn't be reduced to age but the odds of meaningful experience, biological maturity and practical knowledge increase with age!
You don't take the advice of a 16 year old who has a boyfriend for 2 months over someone who has been married 10 years.
What you're proposing is not practical specifically because you failed to propose it properly.
I never gave parent advice - I used data and statistics that show how kids will turn out when they grow up, given how their parents were. It's data, not based on my experience. But just because of my age I still might know? All i'm saying don't just eliminate people because of their age. Eliminate people if they have a stupid opinion, yes.
... (Sigh) 😄
You're not very smart. You just told everyone that telling children adults are always right opens them to molestation!
What kind of moron...
If that isn't parenting advice what is it? No. Don't actually answer that.
It is true - and I see you don't have anymore to come with, so lets close it here.
No, you deciding to simply say things without repercussion but then turn around and state that you're correct even in the face of your own words is going to produce the exact problem that you claim should be fought. People who do not own their mistakes are not valuable when it comes to giving advice and the young are notorious for (like shown) simply talking out of their ass, saying foolish things, with zero experience and then denying that they either said it or trying to spin it in a way that actually has value.
Let's say it isn't parenting advice. Where would it be categorized? "If you tell children X then Y" is really hard to say is "personal advice" or "social responsibility". And that is the straight format you presented:
"And parents: This is what happens when you teach your kids X"
So that's not parenting advice? And you're not a parent at all, you don't "know what happens" because you fucking have no kids! But you have no rational explanation for yourself.
The danger of people thinking that they don't require credibility and that by the nature of the argument being "valid" they are equals is this. The holes are just massive. You made a literal "if/then" statement, as if speaking from experience, then turn around and say "IT COULD HAPPEN!" which is... unsupported. It's garbage. You pose a possibility as though it were honestly to be taken because you posed it as valid.
When challenged? You failed. You fled! You are literally the living reason why people DON'T listen to young people. You are the youth I was surrounded by who made things significantly harder for me, people who actually can assess arguments, because you demanded (ironically) respect based on the fact that you had a thought once.
Jeez you move on to things that have absolutely nothing to do with my mytake - and Im not here to argue about that. Maybe find someone who cares
You're committing what advocate against.
When people dismiss the young it is because they don't want to argue and do not care.
If you would like to actually argue about the myTake's subject, hit me up - but I don't have time for your other subjects
"When people dismiss the young it is because they don't want to argue and do not care."
As in topic as it gets.
Those are rarely right, so they pretend to be.
You're 21. Aren't you a little old to be whiteknighting people? 😂
What?
because they are too young for some certain things
How would you know? Just curious - do you know what every person sitting behind a screen has been through in their life?
often, that's the mindset of the older generation-they're always gonna be different variables
@Sabretooth Sure. I agree. You say 'often'. But how do you know this particular minor doesn't know what he/she is talking about?
by shutting up and actually listening until he he or she is done talking-switching the roles. i, for example i myself consider myself wiser an more mature than most of my other relatives-why else do they come to me for advice and info... well, there is the fact that my family is usually is at each others throats...
@Sabretooth Cause you know each other in real life. But over a screen you can't possibly know, who has real life experience or not.
didn't say you could-in which case-you should reserve your judgment.
@Sabretooth It wasn't directed to you it was more directed to that you were exactly proving my point towards why young people can also be smarter
i know-it's actually the same-in either case, really, shut up, listen, then speak-whether they're right or wrong-by showing respect to the them will cause them to respect you.
Young people don't know anything
I'll do what I want thank you very much.
That's a great argument, want me to print it in the newspaper?
If you were referring to, that young people have a voice too then yay you, and I will print it in the newspaper :D
No I was going to degrade people younger than myself.
haha lol - funny im here fight for asses like yours
Worst opinion ever.