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This is some sad stuff, but it's your sad stuff. This thing you said: "A guy on a date can open a door for his date and get a slap." I doubt has ever happened. It's all a fantasy to try to explain away "a 21 year old who has little experience with women". Get some experience, man! We're not so scary. If you have stuff to work on to make yourself more appealing, then work on that. Focus your energy on that, instead of deciding it's the object of your desire that has the problems. Seriously dude, there are like 3. something billion of us out there. We can't all be terrible.
Good response.
I know not all girls are terrible and when writing the Take, I was more confused on the messed up dating culture rather than women in particular so I wasn't trying to portray woman as terrible. Sorry if it came across as such.
*focused not confused
Yes, we really aren't ALL terrible as I hear so many guys say on here
I am bitter, but i am okay with that. I don't see a reason to moan about it. Hell, no one cared about my opinion before i was bitter, why should anyone start now?
I accept it as it is.
Only difference is i don't express it in anyway. I simply ignore their opinions.
Its pointless to argue or vent about it being unfair or what not. Just accept it as it is and live on, either case they will hate you for being bitter. So why should their opinions matter if ours dont. Its simple, they should not.
Women hate bitter men, and disregard most if not all their opinions in general anyway. So my suggestion to all my "Bitter brothers" - there is no need to vent or complain about it, its pointless and equivalent screaming at a brick wall. Even if you are right about it, do you really think your rant / post / blog will change anything? I highly doubt that.
If you really want some relief then try what i do, watch some hilarious female fail videos or femenist and sjw fails, hang out with friends, visit a strip club or get laid using a hooker. Life isn't getting any better, if anything it will only get worse.
This is about the most perfect argument I've ever seen, very, very few women are worth any man's time given at how the deck is stacked against us.
Also I notice a near-total lack of female responses, they don't want to get humiliated by trying to debate what they know to be true.
Thanks. :)
I really wanted more girl's response but there's silence unfortunately.
Don't expect much, they got nothing.
I wish they did.
I got a down vote from a girl but no comment from her, the definition of "you're right but I hate it and won't admit it.
I found this question about 5 minutes ago so... I actually don't care what is his penis' size (to the guy with an opinion under this)
I just want him to be comfortable with me, caring about me and not wanting to hurt me. If he does and it's an accident then I'll forgive him. I don't count in feminism. I prefer men and womem to be equal in relationships. Judge me if you want. By the way I've been rejected over 10 times (that is much for me, remember I'm 14 and never dated before) and got heart-broken so don't tell me, I have no right to be in this conversation about how awful girls are
*if he does hurt me (srry my mistake in this one)
Or they think you're an ass and catapulting off someones my take. "Not worth your time?" Only a man who Jacks off alone at night says that, thank you. Even the writer is nicer about it.
@whatthehellwasthat thank you for providing an example of a woman not worth any man's time.
Everyone wants to be perfect so that they can now expect perfect in a partner, that's all it is, its just power and selfishness and being depressed when you don't measure up. Some people are stupider than others and think they are perfect when they are far from.
I believe so many marriages end in divorce because people follow lust and attraction, while important obviously shouldn't have more value than compatibility when you are planning to live with that person indefinitely. So when the fur starts flying, they quit because they deserve better because its all about them and always has been,
"whats he/she doing for me?, am i getting what i deserve here?, im not happy, me, me , me..."
Good point; thanks.
You think well beyond your age. Very insightful article. Thank you for this.
There are many things I liked about your myTake; the main stand out parts are your inclusion of marriage and divorce and the uncertainty that resulted from the neo-feminist movement. Having been out of the dating scene for awhile, I never thought to put the pieces together quite that way, abd you're absolutely right.
Looking below, I see that you wanted a woman's take on your article. Feel free to message me if you are still interested.
These are possible reasons but I think a bigger reason is because of modern day women in their 20's.
Notice how most of the bitter men tend to be in their 20's or younger? This is because women in their 20's (and younger) tend to be the most stuck up and seem to be prudes, on average.
Most of these guys aren't bitter just to be bitter. As you said, those are possible reasons. However, I think the issue is the WOMEN themselves. Maybe if girls didn't think every guy who approached them s a "creeper", maybe guys wouldn't be so bitter.
I'm a little bitter on this issue too. I have no fear of rejection but when you've been rejected by around 120 girls in your life and you've never dated, had sex or had a girlfriend, it's a little hard not to become angry. I put all of the blame on my generation of women. Older women seem to be more accepting but the problem is, they're nearly always married.
The common denominator in all of your failed relationships is you.
Something to remember...
@Dandeus There could be other common denominators as well.
If a guy has dated many girls and they failed every time, he is a common denominator, but what if every woman he dated was in her 20's? This could be ANOTHER common denominator. What if every woman was from the same college? This could be another common denominator as well.
Just because ONE common denominator has been found, doesn't mean that's the root or cause.
You do know that your whole post was illogical diatribe, right?
I live in cincinnati and I hope I never run in to you. It's a terrible thought that you believe women should associate themselves with you and give you attentiom and sex for the sake of preserving your own pride when you speak such garbage about them.
@whatthehellwasthat I don't live in Cincinnati, although I do drive down there from time to time (mainly for Reds games.) I live in the city of Hamilton, which is about a half-hour drive north of Cincinnati.
I never said women should give me sex or attention for "preserving my own pride" but you're assuming I said something. Just going off your response, you remind me of the young women I meet here in the Cincinnati Metro area.
Are you serious? FEMINISM? If my rights are keeping you from getting laid, YOU have serious issues. Not society.
"they aren't the ones who have to take the initiative."
Well, I have, so let me repeat what you said: TOUGH, dating is messy.
"Basically imagine dating as a test for which everyone knows the questions you'll be asked but the correct answers will be entirely different based on whatever teacher you get marking your test and you barely know the teacher anyway. "
Well, yeah because women are PEOPLE, not a damn beehive. We have different personalities, different standards, different cultures, and different backgrounds. If a guy consider us that 'frustrating' then I don't know he can even have friends.
It's not about your rights, it's about how confusing it's made modern dating and how some women expect it and some are offended by it. Again, that's fine but guys almost have to guess which makes the whole thing more uncertain.
I don't see what the big deal is. As a female with autism, I also have to play the guessing game, but with EVERYBODY. With my parents, with my friends (and YES that includes men). But what I do but I don't see a lot of MGTOW do is actually try to learn from mistakes and take the criticism. From my experience, the MGTOW just think little of other people, especially women. They come off as being narcissistic and self-centered children rather than full grown men.
100% of women want only top 10% of men. So if you're not in top 10, you have three options :-
1. Be the pity fuck of a girl who has found out the hard way that she isn't hot enough top guy and is bitter about it. Pretend she 'likes' you for you. Ignorance is bliss.
2. Suck it and get bitter. PU forum guys are here.
3. Get in top 10 . <== Right option.
Most guys have to take option 1 (maths of monogamy), so society tries to sweeten it up for them with assorted bullshit (soulmate, 'she chose you', yada yada)
How do you get into the top 10%?
You already know.
Also, all upvotes on my comment are blue, downvotes red. I rest my case.
"I rest my case." Was your case that you're wrong, and obviously the downvotes are because the women know you're wrong? Pink upvotes would be proving you right. Great attempt at logic though, at least you're showing signs of mental activity. Sounds to me like you're just a pompous egoist who's bitter about not getting *any* girl. Here's a helpful tip though: be less of a callous jerk who thinks he understands women when he really doesn't, and maybe you might finally get to kiss someone other than your mother.
I dated some of the hottest boys in school (some because a lot of the others were those sorts that need to get off their high horse), and I'm engaged to a guy who's about a hotness rating of like a 5. But he's got a great personality. He's loveable in a derpy way, and we share the same interests; I fell in love with him because of the ways we complete each other. He's no breadwinner, and his looks certainly don't make others jealous, but he makes for a better SO than you would.
So, to sum it all up - they're cowards and instead of doing something about it they'd rather complain and blame women for something that hasn't even happened yet...
Nice.
I'm not really blaming women. And guys aren't great either.
It's just that relationships like marriage seem to be a worse deal for men these days.
Unlike the last 2000 years. o. O
So to sum it all up, you didn't read or learn anything.
Nice.
Which is a crock. I've been in a number of relationships where I've been abused. I'm hesitant to let another woman in unless I can be certain she won't be an abuser like the last several.
@ObscuredBeyond - you're not alone, I'm sure. You're completely right to do as you feel is safest and best for you.
"Unlike the last 2000 years. o. O"
True. I wasn't around then though.
I do wonder where relationships are going though as the incentive seems to be reducing and the trouble seems to be increasing.
Yeah... I know what you mean...
Men on this site need to stop giving themselves a victim identity. The only thing that's worse than being weak is being strong but convincing yourself that you're weak so you have someone else to blame.
Confidence is a cliche but don't you understand that you can do nearly anything (except be violent) and as long as you think it's awesome and ok then no girl will give you shit for it. That makes things a million times easier for guys than girls.
But I'm digressing, male pride movement is a paradox. There's no need for a movement because men are still the power group. Men here need to change their attitudes instead of asking girls to change their's. It's so weak to ask someone to change how they want to be to suit you anyway.
±1 for you
@miserybusiness plus minus?
Just a plus LOL
Confidence is bullshit. If a woman finds you attractive, you literally have to be a complete fuck up to screw things up. This whole thing about women liking confidence is just PUA garbage;
Also the reason men become bitter with women also spans from something you've left out. Women treating said men like complete an absolute garbage even though they have done anything to deserve it. Creep shaming, and the constant stories men hear on internet of girls cheating on their boyfriend/husband behind their back. In addition to all this a lot of women act like total kunts and will not even have the decent manners to acknowledge your existence or greet you in the morning.
Guys don't like women who reject them and vice versa. It takes a lot of hard work to find the right person who will accept us the way we are. Women expect to much from men and when the have made a mistake, they never let us forget it, and will shut a guy down in the bedroom for offending them. I was only with one woman who acted this way (negative) all the rest of the gals were basically friends with benefits and I had no problems. with them. Now, I just won't bother anymore, because it's not worth the suffering.
Here's an observation that you might find interesting. When abortion used to be illegal and the contraceptive pill didn't exist, most women were in practice on strike against premarital sex because they didn't think that the risks were worth it. I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, refer to those women as 'bitter', 'losers', 'hateful', 'misandric', etc.
Women complain about the way things are set up = Protesting for social justice.
Men complaining about the way things are set up = Moaning from bitter virgins.
OP, I understand your perspective because I am almost the same way as you - the difference is that I have been in love before. It's great fun being in love. A good woman will change your life.
Your reasons are mostly accurate. The icing on the cake though is that women have lost their way, they are now longer raised to be wives and mothers but businessmen. They're like one of your guy friends, except with a vagina. Thats all cool and good until it gets time to get married and have a family. I think people have a hard time accepting what may be best for them is not best for their family, and the family needs to come first 100% of the time or it will fall apart. Thats not a problem with just women, thats a problem with everyone now.
Omg... the senselessness... lol.
Women choose what they want to be. There are some women who shouldn't ever be mothers/wives nor should they be forced to be. That's fine.
It's not "best for" women to be in a place where they don't want to be. It's not best for anyone.
Sure, but when you choose to have a family you need to realize that, that is now your priority above everything. People seem to have a hard time giving up their stupid pipe-dreams and it puts a strain on their relationships.
@DaddyRollingStone What I agree with you is that the family is something that should come first. To everyone.
In my opinion it means both men and women have to do sacrifices for their family. More often than not some sacrifices are more commonly expected from a woman rather than from a man.
Where I live, being a housewife or househusband is very rare but I've collected that housewives are actually quite common in the US. Because of this I think the sacrifice of staying at home to take care of kids and household work should be done by the parent who truly wants it more or just has a lower pay job. It should be ok to be a househusband as well as a housewife. There is nothing wrong with that. Also whichever stays home with the kids should be the one to have the house and custody of children if they want to in case of a divorce.
@LuvYouAll I agree, if something is putting a strain on your marriage or your relationship with your kids then you need to cut it out of you life. It may hurt you at the time but if it's best for your family then it needs to be done.
Housewives are somewhat common here in the US, but they usually only do it while their kids are young and then go back to work. Women who stay housewives most of their lives are somewhat uncommon now, and I think it is looked down upon somewhat. Stay at home dads are very uncommon here. The old belief that men must work to provide for the family is still held.
The main problem is the law. The law and the government will help vengeful women rob you of your wealth, possessions, and children with a malicious passion. Men are overwhelmingly the majority of child support and alimony payers, in spite of the fact that most modern women are perfectly capable of working and supporting themselves. So women can work AND take alimony even if they don't need it, and all because they once happened to be married to a man. Well, none of us find that to be a very good deal, so marriage is out of the question. I'm not going to expose my financial and family well being for a woman who could stab me in the back with the government's knife. That's just not smart. The playing field of marriage too heavily favors women, especially when it comes to divorce. Is it any wonder why women initiate 90% of all divorces? Balance those scales and you might see men become less cynical about the prospect. As things stand now, marriage is financial suicide.
Are you really this ignorant? Divorce is instigated majorly due to infidelity. Many women stay at home and have no jobs at the behest of men so they get alimony. Even if they do work, they tend not to make as much as him hence the alimony. You're just coming off as loony.
That's also because men hardly do anything in the court to show examples of this. Dumb asses don't present any case as so much the woman is very in tune. What do you think she does all day?
They simply wine about how unfair and let their emotions take over their reason when in court succesfully losing.
"Many women stay at home and have no jobs..."
What century are you living in, because this is straight bullshit. The majority of married households are dual income, meaning both parents work. Women initiate divorce because A) divorce is an industry now, designed to make people money using greedy lawyers and B) because women have kid in a candy store fever and keep waiting for "the one" instead of trying to make their marriage work. You're just coming off as a loony and an ignorant buffoon.
Chivalry ALWAYS wins with me, I'm sorry but I've never and will never yell at a guy for opening a door, paying for a date, and otherwise being respectful and traditional.
And by "chivalry", you mean "sexism". Because let's face it, opening a door for a woman purely because she's a woman is sexist. Same goes for "the man should always pay!". It's sexist af.
No it isn't, its called all males in all other species of animals try to impress the female cuz females have more to lose when it comes to mating and getting impregnated. Look, male birds are more chivalrous than guys today, they actually try to impress by doing a little something extra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NejWbJ4FNas
God, no one can win with you people! Everyone is different. If she likes chivilary then there's nothing wrong with it! If she doesn't then there's also nothing wrong with it! Why can't we all just be decent human beings to each other and try to consider each others feelings. I hold doors open for anyone behind me, so is it wrong to expect my significant other to do the same if he was in front of me? Just gah, everyone is different. Dont be a dick. Kay?
You posted this below.
"... but now guys can get laid more easily so wtf they complaining about, we the women are technically more screwed despite more rights cuz its way harder to find good guys who wanna actually commit an not fuck around "
I wanted to discuss this with you as I do admit that it is easier to have 'cheap flings' or NSA sex but I actually want a relationship. It seems to me that the same things which have made it easier to get laid, have made it harder for everyone to have good relationships.
Also, why do you think women have it harder to find good guys these days?
Well in my experience, being nice and genuine no matter what gender you are you end up being overcome by people who use manipulation and selfishness to get the most out of you and then leave. Its like they sense the people who aren't looking for trouble and then your screwed. I think this is what drives nice guys to turn into asshole players, and good women to close up and be more guarded. Today, we all seem to think commitment and marriage is some kind of joke and so many people only want flings, they want to test each other out sexually and see if they want to commit later, and it sucks. Being a woman, most of the guys I meet or date end up only wanting quick sex, are messed up from a past relationship and just looking for something casual, or just aren't interested in a relationship cuz its "too much work". I just had a casual thing with this guy about a year ago and it made me realize that I want something real, not an illusion. This guy was a genuinely great guy but he waz fucked
up from past relationships and when I told him I caught feelings for him he told me he just gave up on relationships for now. and this kills me when so many males are giving up on love and commitment because of a few 'bad' women and a whole generation of young females just giving sex away.
As a guy with a small penis, I have found that it's better to avoid humiliation even if it means being single for the rest of my life. Even though I've never had sex, I am convinced that it's a huge waste of time, especially for me.
The fact that most divorces are initiated by women just seals the deal.
Here would be my marriage, in a nutshell:
1. Get married
2. Be cheated on because of my small penis
3. Be divorced and lose half of my money
Yeah, not worth it. I'll just keep watching porn.
You need to add this to your stand-up comedy routine. The men would be cracking up and the women, if they don't laugh (I think they will) would be cracking skulls. Ha Ha Thanks for the laugh. Encore.
I wasn't joking.
isn't there something called prenuptial agreement? ahahah
Sorry dude I cracked up laughing.
You forgot the bigfest reason. Ecperience with women. Period. Once you have your trust beyrayed, cheated on, lied to, manipulated, you become dissillusioned.
Thats when you get a girlfriend, im not even going to go into all the mocking, and visciousness of the rejections, or being used for free dinners, or watching women literally throw themselves at the same assholes who treat them like shit, while considering you a ennuch.
Im not totally giving up, but I totally get why sone good men do. WOMEN!
If you ever got up on stage and said that, all the men would be laughing their asses off.
Damn I commented on the wrong answer.
All the gay men who dont need to date women, lol. Its always funnier when its not happening to you. I love how women downvote what they know is true!
Honestly, there's no excuse for shitty behaviour. Yeah, sure, you've had a crappy life. That doesn't give you the license to take it out on everyone around you. That's not a sign of a mentally healthy person.
Obviously "taking it out on people" is too far but this is more about guys who analyse the situation and come to the conclusion that romantic relationships with women are not worth the trouble. I was trying to explain why some guys, including me, consider it.
If I did decide to take it out on other people, that would be wrong too.
One cannot hold others emotionally hostage. It is not anyone's fault that your romantic relationships do not work out. If it is, I would wager that you are the problem, being the only common denominator.
I'm not blaming women for me being single, I'm saying that the options available make being single almost preferable to having a relationship.
Yep - another woman trying to shame a man into being silent, just because he wrote how he felt - making our point for us yet again, what a shocker.
And quite honestly, I agree with you on that front. Y'all're too much trouble. Not enough reward.
@BelfastBoy who pissed in YOUR cheerios?
PMSL, not you honey, that's for sure. I wouldn't go near you with a hazmat suit and a team of marines but I'm sure you'll find some guy's life to fuck up.
@BelfastBoy Yeah, I'm a real Mata Hari.
Good luck with the baby :)
well feminists have a license for shitty behavior. They get screwed over by one or two men in their lives and all the sudden "men are pigs" and "all men are rapists" become their accepted slogans.
Yeah, that's my big problem with it too. Far foo many women assume the "who hurt you" crap when men just want rights to their homes and children the same way women have. Unfortunately most feminists have made that impossible and women tend to prefer guys who have little self respect or don't know their rights, either ones they sleep with or want to have kids with.
@9mfeo "And quite honestly, I agree with you on that front. Y'all're too much trouble. Not enough reward."
You might be right. Maybe both genders have had enough with the other's bs.
Tell it to feminazis
"This really was me just trying to get certain thoughts out of my head. If you want to debate them, please fire away as I'd rather not think of any of this and I welcome any attempt to change my mind.
Please give your reaction below but try to keep it civil. I hope I did not offend anyone in this myTake."
-Lacking rigidity and confidence? That might be the real problem :|
or maybe he's just not a douche? and doesn't want other people to act douchy either?
@iNeedAUsernameNow
Being a rigid and confident person isn't douche.
but not caring about other people's opinions is. He's just trying to be respectful of other people and their opposing viewpoints (astonishing behavior I know!) and he's just acknowledging that what he says isn't scientific truth, but anecdotal evidence. It's just a little disclaimer.
@iNeedAUsernameNow rigidity to an extent of course. If the other party is right and you won’t listen, that's sheer ignorance.
Based on some people's responses, if anything, I was too rigid.
You are here to change people, not to get changed by the people. Be yourself and show the world why you chose such path. This is called myTake. If YOU want to get changed, go to the questions' field.
I think you're taking the distinction between Take and question too rigidly.
I think I should have criticized you like others did :/
What makes you think that?
I used this Take because I felt it was the format best suited to expressing my feelings on this matter. Takes here are normally written by young people with little experience. It's not like I've written opinion into a scientific journal, it's a GaG Take.
Oh god we are having a great communication misunderstanding lol
It's probably my fault. Communication via text only isn't my strong suit. Lol
I doubt it - I asked a similar question a few days ago and got jumped on by a woman as well. They're all the same (and believe me I know the irony of saying that). You just can't tell a woman how you feel - period. It's sad but true, women will never care about men's issues until they need men to defend their lives and offspring. Just look at 9/11 or some other such disaster - women will scream in your face, shit in your camaro and take your home and kids away - right up until they need you for something and then they'll smile, pout and stick their tits out - it's what they do and as someone smarter than I once wrote
"you can either Love women or you can understand them, you can't do both".
Don't worry, Take Owner XD
@BelfastBoy - You are absolutely right to an extent. Not all of 'em are same. It's just a bad luck of some people. :/
Great quote by the way :)