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This take doesn't actually take into account reality and real life experiences. How could you tell that to a person that behaving such a way is going to get get them what they want in many if not countless ocations it has not worked at all? Let's be honest, basically you are telling guys to continue doing something that it has not worked for them no matter what the outcome might be. Now this is what really pisses me off about women: How could you tell a guy that it is jaded, confused about the dating world to continue doing the same thing when you or women in general, have a lot more emotional support than men? Get a lot more attention and yes a lot more sex than men? (look at the statistics in Tinder), you cannot pretend to tell this to these guys, when you yourself have not experienced what they are going through.
I'm not sure what you meant by "broke the mould" or "turned you cold".
I never changed. I will always proudly be "Mr. Nice Guy". I'm still the gentleman my mom taught me to be, and still striving to find a woman to marry before loosing my virginity.
I am shy and have low standards of myself. (Aside from possible connections to my humbleness, I do not know why.)
I was teased very little from what I remember. Never beaten up.
I'm confused about your second piece of advice. (Regarding standards and respect)
Meanwhile women call those nice guys toxic beta loser who fake their "niceness"
And they damn near break their necks falling all over themselves to french kiss the ass crack of these douchebags you speak of lol
SOME women. Dont confuse us.
Yeah some women, but those women will always find a way to justify their bad behaviour and make theimselves the center of attention lol
Just like those guys will always just say they are being "Alpha" to justify their douchebaggery.
I love that poem though, hopefully a lot of really good guys will read it and realize there are good women like you out there :)
Of course. Theyre as bad as each other.
I appreciate it, thanks
You are very welcome.
And so... a nice guy became... not nice... but not in the way you think... he retreated... escaped... ran away... finding solace in a dark place... he bettered his body... his mind... his rage and anger driving him... the hate fueling his ambition... until he realized what drove him to succeed was the very thing preventing him from being happy. Even then, his attitude didn't change... his thoughts... his philosophy... but rather... his... deamanor reflected something different... a new found confidence... a new... outlook.
Ultimately he continues his search for her... knowing that the greatest treasures are found at the greatest depths... surrounded by many many horrors...
And so he wades through the depths... fighting to find her... knowing she is the prize worth all the blood, sweat and tears...
He stopped being nice...
He never stopped being good
read it again, without a focus on romance alone.
It was the main thing that I took away from it :)
One should be a good man for the sake of increasing the kindness in the world.
I don't believe nice people finish last. Passive people who don't stand up for themselves aren't necessarily nice (they aren't necessarily bad either). Being a good person doesn't at all mean being a passive one.
*bows down* all hail the girl with a brain! Preach it! When people pull the nice guy excuse on me I always say this: "nice guys don't finish last, they finish first. Spineless pussies who use the nice guy excuse to cover up their failure to take the initiative finish last."
This was a good take and the poetry hit me hard. You had good intentions on creating this take but you FAILED BIG TIME at one HUGE part of this whole nice guys vs asshole dichotomy. You completely took this from the FEMALE POINT OF VIEW. You completely blamed nice guys turned assholes for their own behavior. You did NOT stop to consider the man's point of view on this at all. You creatively ripped into us with an emotional rant.
It seemed like you were on the right path on the beginning of the take. The poem
started to relate to the frustration and agony nice guys experience in the dating world "You got played, you got betrayed. You had your heart tampered with..." but then it degenerated into a hateful diatribe towards men.
Sorry, I don't buy your argument. I've seen way to many dbags get ahead in the real world. I don't like them but as the old saying goes "if you can't beat em' join em"
Her last take was about a man who should gladly accept a woman whose given herself to multiple men and now is broken inside (bitter) and needs a man to fix her. Alpha fucks/beta bucks.
Ironically I felt like I respected myself more when I became "less of a nice guy". Personally I think it's impossible for a nice guy to turn into an asshole unless: he gets brain damage, he gets roid rage (actually tried this a long time ago... it really does work!) or he has PTSD from military service or incarceration time. However a nice guy can recognize his tendencies (being too available/accommodating, not recognizing the friend zone, etc) and refrain from them.
I think this is very well written but I also think that it's not always the nice guy's fault for changing. Sometimes guys and girls put their whole hearts into someone and get destroyed when it's all found out that someone doesn't care. We all get damaged along the way but eventually someone will come along and bring out the best in us.
Never said it always was. People are seriously misreading this.
It is malicious, it is not being misread
date multiple women at once until you're in 3 months into the realtionship
when she acts up, you leave her and give other girls attention. you'll be scarce to the couple you keep around getting the best out of them while maintaining their perception of your strength=resepct=attraction.
be kind adn respectful, but know when to not give a damn about them, but yourself. women aren't these nice little angles movies tell us to be. they are hunters for resources, they want what we got. you take options and you dont owe them shit. my reverse take=P
Im this close to blocking you. You like to stir up shit for no reason.
lololololololo
hugs. i speak smiling and calm. i assure you, i m a need for society and its growth in the right direction. i m not pleasant often but i m here for the goodness.
didn't even realise the upvotes! yay for my supporters!
we all beleived in unconditional love, to be a good guy... and we lived it and got messed over. people especailyl aren't logical, they follow their hearts which is their emotions and temptations. for that to develope, there's a lot of psychology involved; counter intuitiveness, control/patience to demonstrate value and strength... truth is, people want luxury, status, charm and anything that can be romanticized.
the problem is, people do not acknowledge the dark desires and the shame that drives each individual. we all tell it like how its suppose to be, not how things really are.
there's a lot of nice pieces of literature on here... but i enjoy it for what they are.
i meant especially women***
i m sorry this has become a man vs woman. but each tends to mess each other over or they get messed up themselves.
this is why i strongly believe makes people lie in marriages. non can stand being fully good and non bias/hypocritical.
all this is a fantasy. unless you're a religious christian uneffected by the pop culture and deception of soceity/media (yes they are protected by Jesus culture which is based on truth) secular marriages held by just normal open minded regular people is almost alway bound to fail if based on total truth.
people just do not understand themselves (their true nature) enough to treat others.
This seem to only be relevant to self proclaimed nice guys or bad guys, and that one is better then the other.
Self proclaimed nice guys finish last together with self proclaimed bad guys.
Laboring yourself shit like nice guy, bad guy, alfa, beta etc is just retarded in the end.
Just do what you feel like and live life as you think is best, and if other people wanna call you something like a nice guy or bad guy, then let them it doesn't matter two shits if society see you as a gentleman, nice guy or a bad guy.
The definition of insanity is to repeat something over and over again expecting different results each time. If repeatedly doing something will only give more heartbreak then who in their right mind would do it? If a better strategy is available, you use it. And it's not men's fault that there exists such an strategy to become bad and score more.
the problem is that you think heartbreak will come each time. Youve already decided the outcome. i will never agree that being bad is a better strategy, but whatever. Live your life and see how long it works.
I was not implying about one presuming that a heartbreak is guaranteed. I was implying about those who have already experienced it. Multiple times over. They will sure as hell not want it anymore so they will undouptedly look for alternatives instead of risking adding to their heartbreaks.
Ok, but alternativeS involve more than one solution. I argue that being a bad guy is not one of them, but rather learning to establish that while you are a good person, you have a limit and will not let people walk over you, for example.
Sure, being good while also not being a pushover is probably the ideal. But then why is it that assholes still score more? That only goes to show that out of all the available strategies, being an asshole gives the most results.
That was outstanding. I loved it. i was starting to think why should i be nice when most people are just rude to one another and most girls ik just like bad boys. This really helped me out. Thanks so much. I will keep being nice
Wow, thank you. Reading that honestly compensates for all of the more hostile opinions i received. Yessss keep on being nice👍🏽👏🏽
You're basically advising guys who constantly get beaten down to stay the way they are. My question is, why should they? If a person is constantly getting screwed over in life than he SHOULD change and adapt into a more successful and dominant individual. This take is just selfish. You would keep a nice guy a nice guy to fill up your friends circle while you screw with the upper echelon males at the expense of the success that he could have in life if you weren't holding him back.
lol to stay where they are... lol.
excelent take 0/10.
So it's his fault he's fucked over by the world, shown that he needs to be an ass, and just taught the hard way to be bad to the bone?
He did what he was taught to, he changed. And you blame him? REALLY? Why not blame the ones playing the nice guy?
Yes, he was better before, but NOBODY told him that? Everyone kept telling him to go bad. actions speak louder than words. So down to it, it's not his fault.
interpret it how u will, but it obviously went over your head. poetry does that to people.
oh look how high and mighty we're playing.
You know what's so fun about poetry? it can be interpreted in different ways.
Im just saying it is fucked up how you blame the nice guy for being weak, while the ones constantly giving him shit is ignored. Fix the problem, not the sollution. And the problem isn't that good guys go bad, but it's the people making him go bad. people playing and cheating and exploiting... it's those you should go for.
not shame guys for being "weak" if they can't stay good.
didn't read. I dont care what u make of it. My purpose for writing doesn't correspond, and it's MY piece. Nothing u say will change the meaning embedded within it. Good day.
As you wish.
Just saying you're going for the symptom, not the illness.
Whatever.
Again, the epidemic of single mothers, the sexual revolution, radical feminists, and the political correctness all have a part in this. There are a lot of guys who are "pussy whipped" as they are raised by single mothers. At least in western society and in particular the U. S. It's not his fault for being f'ed over, but if he keeps making the same mistakes instead of learning then it is his fault.
@Mysterio421 exactly. he leared, he learneed the world was cruel, and he chose to harden rather than keep on being used. The world is nice too, but nobody showed him that. That's how nice guys go bad, and how nice girls go bad too
Why can't you have the values of a nice guy but the style of a bad boy. Tbh I took a lot of the measures you argue against and yea, I did compromise my ethics. But I'm ten times more interesting now, so no regrets.
Interesting? A plague is interesting. A bomb is interesting. A massacre is interesting.
Interesting, doesn't relate to good, just something of interest.
Never said you can't lol. Poems dont explain things.
To each their own.
I am starting to be amazed by your poetry skills ;)
Thanks lovely, ur so sweet❤️
This is beautiful, sounds like it should be a song or something! I totally agree that nice guys finish last is a myth too
Thanks love ❤️
I will always respect women who would rather have good guys rather than bad boys.
I love how you can combine great takes with poetry. Thank you for another great read! ❤🍌
The respect is mutual, believe me❤️
It's a pleasure, glad u liked it.
I would just like to say, a lot of people on the mainland US are incredibly weak. I think it has to do with the feeling of safety in society. We as a species have become degraded being waited on hand and foot. Allowing societal expectations and social implications dictated the course of both our lives and actions. Though i can understand what you are saying, i cannot and will not agree with it.
Whatever.
Damn cold, can't say it hasn't been different over the past few weeks with you. If you won't tell me what the problem is fine. Im gone.
Sadly not enough guys will read this! ): I hope all guys read this!
oh they'll read it, but 90% of them are stupid- can't even understand it.
haha! TRUE!
I have read it bit I do have to appologise I have hardneed over the last 5 years
Aw ❤️ @mickylad hey its never too late, and sometimes being a little hardened is good for you, but not when it consumes you.
@mickylad Honestly the girl that you pick are probably insecure... That the only reason jerk get away with it is because those insecure girl look for some confirmation from a jerk.
@mickylad Actually from a man and they feel better when someone tell them they are worth something but than they treat them like crap and they justify it.
@mickylad because they think this guy loves her at the end of the day.