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Girls murder their own babies so they can party and be free. It's that gender versus guys. Men won because at least we aren't that cruel and disgusting.
Men make babies with women they are just "partying" with and then walk off, so what's your point?
Why should a guy have to commit to a girl he doesn't care about or know? She should use protection. Most girls that abort are middle class college girls that don't want the hassle of having a baby and put freedom and being able to party. They literally don't value life at all and it's sick. So at least men haven't stooped that low.
@MlleCake but who chooses those men to sleep with and have babies with?
@Logan19 What you have said has "GARBAGE", its proper name, written on its very forehead! Its effect is to excuse irresponsible conduct on what can best be described as shaky ground, and to trivialise such serious issues as unplanned pregnancies and venereal diseases. Sex and the responsibilities it entails are not one way streets or one time deals. Pregnancy is not immaculate conception. These facts prevent the sane, the intelligent, and the sensible from having sexual intercourse with anyone he or she does not know, or care about.
@Logan27 Men should use protection. Men are 50% of the decisions that lead to an unplanned pregnancy. Men have as much power to prevent it as the woman does, but men choose not to, and then walk away. If you're going to vilify anyone, vilify both people, because this dosen't happen in a vacuum.
@MlleCake how many different birth control methods are available to women? Who ultimately decides what happens to the baby? It’s women’s body and thus, they have the final say. If they have the final say, then they ought to have the ultimate responsibility. Women can have an abortion or have the child without the father’s consent.
@Logan25, me who choose not to manage their own fertility become parents. They are 100% responsible for what happens with their own sperm. There are many ways to keep sperm from getting to a woman's cervix, and there are some men are in direct control of that they need to take responsibility for. 50% of an unplanned pregnancy is due to a man's decision not to use a condom, not to use a condom correctly, not to insist a partner be reliably taking a more effective contraceptive - those are all things in a man's ability to control. He's not a helpless sperm factory that can make no decisions about whether he becomes a parent or not.
@MlleCake If it's 50% of the man's responsibility than how come he has no say in preventing the woman from aborting. Apparently when a woman wants an abortion the baby is only hers, actually it's not even a life and therefore can be sucked out and thrown in the trash BUT when the woman wants to trick the man into staying with her, the baby is suddenly half his and he must pay child support... also when a couple want a baby a 10 week old suddenly is a life but a few years earlier she aborted and didn't consider the baby a life. 70% of women support abortion. They think that life has no value and be thrown in the bin when 1 parent want to be young and free and be able to party. The attitude that human life is meaningless and can be thrown out (even though a baby is also a man's) like nothing. It's disgusting and it really shows how far our society has fallen... especially women. Its a sad day when mothers want to kill their own babies... what kind of people do that?
@MlleCake If it's a case of women vs men, men win... because we accept accept when we are wrong and face our responsibilities. Some men kill, but they kill people that can defend themselves, where as women kill their own defenceless babies and create many excuses to act like abortion isn't bad. It's murder the women that defend it are just trying to make themselves look better. So the fact that women take the cowardly way out, don't respect life and murder their own babies, makes men the better gender because men haven't stooped that low...
Yep, women can have abortions, and men still walk away without taking responsibility all over the word. I call it even.
They all need to be taking more care to prevent a pregnancy.
A man is 100% responsible for making sure it is not HIS semen that makes someone pregnant if he doesn't want a child or can't afford one.
That doesn't change because women have a few extra things they can do to prevent becoming a mother.
The man still has to exercise due care and caution.
He just does - or he becomes a parent.
Nothing you say can change that.
lmao... this is typical; all the rights but no responsibility
You assume something I am not saying.
I am not saying the woman isn't also 100% responsible.
They both are.
It's fine; just blame it on the man. It's his fault. It's okay.
I never blamed it on a man. I just said this is what a man's responsibility is. Don't want kids? Can't afford one? Then don't put your semen up in there. Simple.
You act like men don't have a choice. A man who doesn't use a condom correctly when he has sex with women is making a choice. He's 100% responsible for HIS choice. He can't cry foul afterward.
Coitus causes pregnancies. Like, fuckin' duh.
I get it; it's totally all the man's responsibility. It's very difficult for women; there's very limited options and the emotional cost of irresponsible men, just terrible.
Never had I said a woman doesn't also have the same responsibility. That's your assumption about what I am saying, but you are incorrect. You just think men are put upon by fishy women trying to trick them into being praents. Simple solutuion to that problem - don't put your semen in there. Problem solved for man.
I'm not even ON the topic of women and contraception.
But just because I am talking about men and their choices doesn't ean I don't think women are also responsible for their own choices.
You're aware that I never made that statement. You just want to read more into what I say than I am saying because you're resentful, bitter, and think you shouldn't have to be responsible yourself.
EVERYONE needs to be responsible for not making children they can't care for or do not want. I've taken responsibility for my own fertility.
Yours is in your own hands.
Like I said I understand. It's men's responsibility.
Who is ultimately responsible if it's 50/50? If there is an impasse, who makes the final decision?
Yes, men's responsibility to mange their own fertility. Woman's responsibility to manage hers. No one should lie or be deceptive. Pretty simple.
Guys fuck up and so if the egg gets infiltrated by the sperm and a parasite starts growing, what then? How can the man rectify the situation? More importantly, what does me being "bitter" have to do with the decision of pregnancy?
You're right, after a man has left his sperm inside a woman, he has no more control over it. Yes. That's reality. But men still have many choices they can make to prevent pregnancy, and they are responsible for it when they fail to do those things.
@MlleCake so who decides to have the baby if both parties are at an impasse?
Well, if there's IS a prgnancy, because it has to grow in her body, ultimately she decides, but in many relationships, these decisions are mutual and something a couple arrives at together. But that is the risk the man is taking when he decides to put his sperm where it can get a woman pregnant. If he doesn't have the kind of relationship where the trust is there, or he hasn't discussed what he would like to see happen if the woman got pregnant, well stupid him for putting his sperm there in an uncertain situation.
As long as we all can agree women have the final decision...
It just so happens that because of biology, yes, a woman and her doctor have the final decision. Should not be anyone else's decision, especially the government's.
Not her doctor, just her
Well, the doctor is there to make sure the woman is safe. Definitely should be between her and her doctor and no one else, if she doesn't want them involved.
@MlleCake he’s just an advisor and will do what the woman wants
@MlleCake So what you're saying is that women do not have to own up to their responsibilities but have to. Women can have consequence free sex but guys cannot. That's not very fair now is it.
And also many women lie about birth control to trick guys. Then he has to pay child support for a baby he doesn't want. Guys cannot escape, women will hunt them down and force him to pay child support and the justice system will turn their face. Women have more rights than men and always win these kinds of things. Men and women are not equal. Women have superiority over guys these days. Women are just trahsy end of. They ruin mens lives for no reason and murder their own babies.
@Logan27, once again, not what I am saying at all. You THINK that is what I am saying because you think men shouldn't have to be responsible themselves. Your bias is preventing you from understanding me.
Men are responsible. Women are responsible. Each have consequences. Each have choices. Each have to make the choice, and if they make "no choice" then that is the choice to have children. Women, by nature of biology, pretty much always have to own up to their responsibility and face the consequences. Men can still walk away very easily, and do, even when they chose to make a child with that woman.
@MlleCake not right now, child support is a thing
@MlleCake No women do not have to face the consequence of getting pregnant. They go abort. Men do have to face responsibility as they are forced to pay child support. Women can have consequence free sex and men can't. Consequence free marriage as well come to think of it.
Women are the gateway to sex. It's her decision to open the gate. It's her responsibility to see who's coming through and if he's got 'protection'. When someone holds a gate open for you, all you have to do is say 'thank you', walk through and not even look back if you don't want. Even the thanks is optional.
This is a lousy way of looking at it, but it is the reality.
Do as u want... never excuse or blame anyone for what u did or do.
I agree. Same to you.
@Jon_25 I do that... everything about me is dark n clear.
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Women get stoned to death for falling in love. What rock are you living under?
In case you missed the entire text, he's referring to the Western society, not some backwater African or Mideastern one.
@ThisDudeHere I know, but MGTOW is entirely stupid. Do women in those countries complain about being oppressed even though they need a movement more than these MGTOW dudes? Who the fuck do they think they are?
Apparently you didn't read anything at all. So by your logic if men see or experience some inequality, they can not express themselves about it?
But then why do women in the West do it? Why can they do it and men can't?
@ThisDudeHere "if men see or experience some inequality, they can not express themselves about it?"
No, men can't. Because every time a woman has complained about something, man always shut them up by saying that women in third world countries have it worse. Want me to say more stuff? Men in Thailand also get sexually harassed. Where's the movement for them?
You are too dense to argue with. Supporting the barring of an entire group (half the population) from freedom of expression is totalitarian.
"No men can't" your what they call a feminazi. I hope the guys around you have lawyers when you start accusing them of assaulting you
@ThisDudeHere I'm just using the same tone that girls have to hear :v and these MGTOW toddlers think they should go their own way because what? Oh yeah, women are throwing acid in men's faces for rejecting a proposal :v
You're again equating western culture with others, where mgtow doesn't even exist
@ThisDudeHere So MGTOW should be for men in the West only? What did men in the East do? What did those men do who are being oppressed in Thailand?
I'm not even following you anymore. Why are you referring to men in the East?
She doesn't understand.. I don't think she can get pass her biased views.
@Ballin13 could be
@CubsterShura In my country a man was once forced by the law courts to pay for the maintenance of a child that was not his own.
I see, and where are the feminist on this issue? Seems we haven't heard anything from them yet.
@Dchrls78104 ... that's it? How lucky y'all are that your major issues consist of having to pay for child support only.
If you can't sympathise with someone elses flight (or even more, you outright refuse to do so), then how the hell do you ever expect anyone to give a damn about your own issues?
@ThisDudeHere ask this to MGTOW men. Nothing but a bunch of lame men.
MGTOWs are sympathetic and it’s your right to believe they are losers or lame or etc but it’s difficult to tell someone what they experience was not legitimate. That’s similar to telling women they were not raped when they were penetrated
@CubsterShura Attitudes like yours actually feed MGTOW propaganda.
@CubsterShura In my country, a man who visits certain areas to see a girl risks being shot to death!
@Dchrls78104 I would love that. Girls are getting harassed too much.
@CubsterShura Guy who looks at or speaks to girl =sexual harasser, pervert in the making
Guy who doesn't look at or speak to girl = faggot, weak mind, not OK.
I've heard this saying in my country.
What is your opinion?
@Dchrls78104 Guys who doesn't talk to women unless necessary are the kind of people we need more in this world.
@hence the MGTOW movement. How do you define "necessary"?
@CubsterShura Hence the MGTOW movement. How do you define "necessary"?
@Dchrls78104 Avoid misconduct, avoid catcalling. Don't approach a woman to have an affair with her if you are not willing to be committed.
@CubsterShura Ideal, but not practical (except for me!) Some men catcall and objectify women. They are rightly considered a problem. But often, those who don't are ignored by women! Such women seem to like to be catcalled or objectified. I have found the conduct of these, frankly to be embarrassing. As for me, I don't see the point of either catcalling or any kind of objectification. In fact, for reasons like I have just given, I don't usually approach women. I prefer to be approached. That way I get to reject undesirables (drunks, married girls, smokers, girls who curse) and I don't have to worry about being thrown in jail or having my life destroyed or endangered for approaching a woman.
But if you put no effort into yourself and expect an angel to fall from the sky, then it won't happen.
@CubsterShura It is safer not to approach or have anything to do with females at all than to date with honest intentions and have your life trashed. This is the expressed point of the MGTOW movement, and while I don't subscribe to them personally, there is no denying the truth of that statement. When a hurricane approaches a country to make landfall, all its ships are grounded and flights to and from the country are cancelled. And farmers don't grow food crops in desert soils...
@Dchrls78104 That's like saying we should never let an infant walk because it constantly falls down and gets hurt.
@Dchrls78104 I wish people would stop replying to this man hating imbecile. I can't or don't know how to mute this and GAG makes me want to shoot myself from reading this BS. God how do I stop the notifications
@keenybmr The "man hating imbecile" is one of many and tends to confirm my point. Dating these days tends to be hard and dangerous work. If it goes sour, the guy could end up in jail or dead. Not dating lead to criticism from such people. Now, my point: Women who talk like this are confused. ('If he looks at you, he's a pervert. If he doesn't, he's a faggot'. So ALL men are either faggots or perverts). I've heard and seen the type in my own country. But they won't confuse me! And they need not rattle you either. "Who judges others condemns himself".
Of course when I will speak the truth you weak dudes would automatically call me a man hating imbecile. Yes I hate men, because they are horrible and so are you. Can't do anything but harm women and when you are finally getting karma doing its work on men y'all play victims, boo.
Hate breeds hate; that’s why there will never be world peace.
@keenybmr Don't you find it interesting that recently a leader in the #MeToo movement has been accused of drunkenly groping two men?
Some form of hate is necessary. Guys like you deserve no love.
Well I hope you find some peace in your life
"yes i hate men" thats pretty obvious. I hope you never have sons or get married. So many men will suffer due to your sexist attitude.
@Dchrls78104 She should be given a harsh sentence for assault. Atomic karma
I agree with this. I have my own hates. I hate feminism and the MGTOW. I hate oppression of men and of women. I hate cruelty and insensitivity in all their forms; they are the root of all I mentioned above. I hate rage, bitterness, and vitriol; they come from oppression. I also hate homosexuality. It is an unnatural practice and can cause death in a male. Mine is a God of love. He has nothing to do with such. In fact, He condemns them all.
@Dchrls78104 MGTOW makes valid points but to simply abandon having relationships and leading an asexual life is taking it too far. Instead a movement to socially ostracize thots, sloots, manwhores and cheats should happen. People known to cheat should be socially excluded.
There is a belief that Europe became advanced due to ice ages. Society threw out criminals and people who weren't helpful in surviving harsh conditions.
It acted as a natural selection of human beings who were more cooperative and wanted to build civilization.
A similar thing is needed now. Exclusion of cheats and thots, men who sleep with other men's wives and girlfriends.
@keenybmr that’s only a minor problem; what about the false accusations?
I agree, it will be a significant problem. And saying its collateral damage would be unethical
@myTakeOwner Someone earlier brought up the story of the woman sent to jail for falsely accusing men of rape. To me, that is a fitting punishment. In ancient Israel, false accusers could face the very penalties they set up their innocent fellowmen for!
LOL you guys yourselves ain't ever getting laid and when a woman has her shit right you guys don't want them to have your lives as well, lmao. I'll be much happier with my hubby and sons they wouldn't be losers like you.
@CubsterShura Maybe you are right. A weak loser like myself may die a virgin. And my reasons will be:
I don't approach women. It's far too dangerous to do so now. I might be jailed or shot to death. Any interested girl would have to approach me.
I don't objectify women. I'm too old for that, and it is pointless anyway, plus I don't care for pity sex or sex from a slave.
I will not settle for just anyone. That would never work for me or for her, neither would be happy. I insist on compatibility and real love.
Finally, I believe in the God of love. He created the world and humans will be happiest who listen to Him.
Therefore feminism and the MGTOW have no hold on me, and I would gladly die a virgin, rather than take a woman, if doing so would bring into my life danger or the anger and bitterness that seem to have taken hold of you.
@Dchrls78104 Are you satisfied with your life choices?
@myTakeOwner So far, yes. I know what I seek. I haven't found it, so there's no point in settling for something else or in lowering my standards.
You claim to hate all men and want to marry and have sons. You are one of the most cancerous and dense women I've come across on GAG.
@keenybmr Life would have been so much easier if other guys knew that! Then I wouldn't be getting all those gross catcalls.
@keenybmr She says she's been getting catcalls from men (I don't know why) . She is 17. To be fair, this is below the age of consent in my country. If you catcall a girl under 18 (or whatever the age of majority is in your jurisdiction) you may be guilty of an offence under the law!
@Dchrls78104 Catcalling should be a global crime.
I agree. Catcalling is wrong and I've never done it. Thus my point of not all men so dont hate on all of us.
All men don't, yes.
@CubsterShura Maybe it already is. I don't know, and it doesn't matter to me. What I do know is that I don't engage in it. I don't need to. Any woman I need to catcall to get her attention probably isn't worth my time. "What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts." The criteria for me have to do with genuine interest, mutual trust and respect, and the capacity for intelligent conversation --- characteristics missing from many "relationships" these days.
@Dchrls78104 No it's not.
@CubsterShura It's NOT?
@Dchrls78104 No. At least where I live, it is not.
@CubsterShura Unrefined men catcall underage girls, too. In my country some of the girls are in school uniform. Yes, I think this is gross. Such men may have daughters of school age or older. They should know better than that. But tarring all men with the same brush is like saying that America is an evil place because Donald Trump is President. There are respectable men out there who (like me) don't catcall. Women approach us if interested, we don't have to force ourselves into the picture.
@Dchrls78104 But a good number of men catcall, you're aware of that right?
@CubsterShura Like I said, they often do so to girls in school uniform.
@Dchrls78104 They do it to all kinds of girls and women.
@CubsterShura True, but I mention schoolgirls in uniform because I think that men who catcall such are the most reprehensible.
Do you go to school? If so, do you wear a special school uniform? If you do, you will more fully see what I am driving at.
@Dchrls78104 I do go to school but I always use our car so I never got catcalled in school uniform. But I got creepy stares when stuck in traffic.
@CubsterShura Sad. Macabre. If done by much older men who may have daughters of your age or older, even worse. Rapists and criminals may do this. Men who are interested in long-term relationships (marriage) with women don't.
@Dchrls78104 Many do, by the influence of other boys.
"... a child that was not his own...". He literally posted one sentence and you missed that?
Yeah, yeah, catcalling... crime of the century that I've seen and heard women do too. A friend of mine admitted to me the other day that she and her girlfriends went out drinking and while driving home catcalled some guy on the sidewalk walking by. She's 47 and a looker. Go scratch.
Another thing that I didn't know about before. Thanks for explaining it.
Mgtow is as pathetic and disgusting as SJW's version of feminism.
Feminism is just as disgusting to me, any form of it.
I stopped taking you seriously as soon as you took Ann Coulter seriously. Just... wow. Good luck out there.
She was citing a correlation that occurs. Kids in a single motherhood environment have a higher probability of committing crimes
It's not solely because they're being raised by a single mother. Don't get me wrong, I don't think single motherhood is a great thing either, but there are a multitude of other factors present and that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. Coulter is simply cherry-picking the one factor she wants to focus on. And, again, Coulter is a dumbass of the highest order. She thinks that Canada sent troops to fight in Vietnam. I wouldn't be surprised if she also thought vaccinations against infectious diseases cause autism. She's a moron. And anyone who takes her seriously, is, well...
There is a correlation and higher probability also noted by Freakonomics
Yes, I'm sure there is, again, based on many factors, not just one. It is not merely the fact of the existence of single motherhood, but *all the associated problems* with that, up to and including economic hardships. It's not literally the thing by and of itself. That's disingenuous, and anyone smarter than Ann Coulter knows that.
Or you can just ignore it which is your right
The one ignoring things is Ann Coulter. And, apparently, you, along with the idiots downvoting me. But hey man, do what you like.
Ignoring Ann Coulter for a second, the truth is kids raised In single motherhood have higher chances of not succeeding In Life. That’s what it is. You can choose to ignore or blame it on something else.
I wish I figured it out before society turned 3rd wave feminist. now I am in a situation that will be difficult to extricate myself from.
Good job. That was a good read
I appreciate the fact that you have an open mind.
I'm a feminist MGTOW alt right libertarian
You be you!
I agree that women have all the power when it comes to court
I’m not part of this group but I do agree with some of its principles.
So basically, you just all become priests? Nah bro, I'm fucking good.
Some do and some don’t; if you get accused of rape who’s going to defend you?
My lawyers, not my cultish brothers lmao
Good luck kid!
Save that money; you’re going to need it
Actually nah, I'll probably never need it
Oh yes you will
Oh hell no lmao
Always remember, teenagers know more about everything in life than adults.
@Charleslvajr I never said that! I just know more than you.
You don't have to be anywhere near her or know she's there. She could be a complete stranger. She could've seen you across a football field and that's all. All they need is some stupid reason in their heads to accuse you of something.
Thank you for dropping facts. I will now consider going MGTOW :)
I would recommend listening to this guy:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7FEgb2bgbNA
Thank you
MGTOW is for losers, who can't get laid.
Calling men losers is not going to solve anything; again, you’re using shaming tactics that leads to nowhere.
Is it also for guys who choose to not pursue having a girlfriend either?
It can be; it’s not for everyone but a solution for those men who cannot find a relationship or want one
Because before I have been under the impression that many guys who go MGTOW it's because they feel they can't get women, but this also Hit me hard lately, I believe every guy can get a woman it's just when men complain about being unable to get women it's because they are upset about being unable to get the type of woman they want
It’s getting more difficult today; women desire men who are better than them.
I've always hated and resented the gender role that guys have to be the initiators
Go get a girl friend, Forget About this nonsense.
If it was that easy, this site and many relationship columns would not exist
Chin up, head high, go up to lass, grab your manhood and say baby you wanna see my woody wood pecker. Walk away laughing. Life ain't that serious, and keep them laughing into your bedroom, down the Isle, and for the rest of their lives. Girls like guys with confidence. You should enjoy life, don't create a movement about feeling defeated.
And then you get accused of rape... #metoo
MGTOWs and Incels are both bitter misogynistic men who are mad because they can’t get laid. But incels are far worse going as far as encouraging suicide, wanting to legalize rape, and castrating “Chads” (aka normal men with social lives).
you are so hateful, elitist and toxic that if i were born again as a man and dated you as my first woman, i'd go mgtow for sure. human beings are more complex and multilayered than the distorted image you give of them. mgtows are pitiful for the most part, but who isn't? we are all soil cussing other soil.
@levantine99 MGTOW is a toxic movement along with Incels. Incels are downright terrifying going as far as murdering people for rejecting them. (Elliot Rodger and the Toronto van attack for example.) MGTOW is pathetic in every way possible, worse than an average human being. They thrive on hate and anger, that's the whole point of the movement, very counterproductive if you ask me.
Pointing out negatives of something does not mean hate
they don't thrive in anything cause they don't make money out of it. its just a circle jerk. and saying they are all hateful to the brim, is a vast generalisation. like saying all feminists are radical. i don't mind criticism i mind brainless misogyny. thats the part of some mgtows i can't take.
I've never heard of Incels wanting to legalize rape seriously. Is that an edge case? Edge cases do not prove a point, majorities do.
Good take
This type of guy just needs to turn gay and leave women alone.
But if the man is not sexually attractive to another, how can he turn gay? More importantly, being gay is not choice, right?
It's a choice and you made it, you're gay and in denial
So being gay is a choice; so, the LGBT community has been lying!
Not everyone thinks the same in the LGBT community, how dare you say that.
Please exit the realm of women and suck dick.
You just said being gay is a choice; the LGBT community states that it isn’t; so, someone’s a homophobe... that being you
You dont seem to understand that not everyone thinks the same.
Im a lesbian, I have no own opinion. The homophobe thing doesn't work here, sorry.
You could hate yourself
So you chose to be a lesbian?
I don't think the same as every other lesbian. That is scary u think that.
You can’t choose to be something you are not, isn’t that the message of the community?
Im not the community, I'm a person with my own mind. Is this difficult to understand for you?
I chose to be a lesbian.
MGTOWs already leave women alone why should they "turn gay"? I thought liberals championed the statement "no one chooses to be gay" or "people are born gay"🤔🤔
@TheUglyMan that’s what I thought too; if you can choose to be gay, it eliminates the narrative that people are born gay. Thus, straight conversion is feasible.
He literally said they don't want anything to do with women. How egocentric do you have to be to think you are somehow the exception?
This was an interesting read, good take