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I'm confident in my manhood, and I teared up at the notebook. The two aren't exclusive. I work a manual labor job, am in good shape physically, have a good sex drive, and provide for my family (dual income is nice for luxuries, but we could survive on one), and I'm still emotionally connected with myself, my wife, and my son.
I haven't watched the notebook I don't like chick flicks I'm to masculine 😂 kidding
No that's true actually I haven't seen 50 shades or Twilight either
I haven't seen 50 Shades of Gray or Twilight either, I do like steamy movies though...
Nothing wrong with that just not for me🙂
I think the bottom as a man is to really not give a shit about what people think of you. Don't try to be like any particular role model per se. Just do what you enjoy with strength and conviction. Women love confidence because confidence is strength. If you focus on what you enjoy, you will have mastery over it. Women love a guys ability to control a situation, topic or skill because it reflect control, and is power.
It's basicly biology again. A man with strength and power is a good protector, can provide more resources, has greater success of rearing healthy and successful offspring.
Nice take, but I think you need to take estrogen supplements, you seem to have too much anger and aggression, you might have an overabundance of testosterone which probably makes you look ugly too. Stop trying to tell men how to behave and let a real man lead you, because you need to learn how to be a good, submissive wife. A truly feminine woman who had proper levels of estrogen simply wouldn't act this way, with contempt and hatred for many men. Also, if you take offence to this in anyway, it's just because you're not confident about your womanhood. Lol
We call this confidence
it's baffling how women don't understand the contradictions in their way of thinking.
It is baffling how men are triggered by some skin
@kim45456 i don't know what you mean by skin but if you feel the need to call me something it means you have a problem with what i said but can't come up with a rebuttal. in other words you're the one who's triggered
@kim45456 whatever, men aren't into whiny femhoes like you, the feeling is mutual. I'm so tired of dumbass bitches like you trying to tell men how to be men, yet the art of being a lady is already nearly dead. There are very small few women who know how to be a proper lady, and the majority of them live in patriarchal societies like Japan, Thailand, Brazil, Ukraine and Russia.
I hope you know I was being sarcastic to make a point. It's just crazy how women get like this when you tell them to be a lady, but women like you go around telling men to be manly, and you pretend like it's not the same thing. You're a hypocrit, you think women should be free to be whoever and whatever they want, meanwhile you think men should be traditional and manly. Well fuck that and fuck you, I'll find a woman who respects me as much as I respect her, a woman who lets me be myself, not the manly white knight she dreamed would save her.
I am ok with your preferences. If you knew, you would know i prefere not traditional men. I am even ok with househusbands. I am sorry for being too rude
But I became angry. Anyway we should not discuss anymore
Well this is a little awkward now lol. I'm also sorry for being rude.
Just so you know, Royce Gracie won the Ultimate Fighting championship three times when it was a no rules, no weight class 8 man tournament... and he doesn't have a "V-shaped" body builder style body... he's just thin and in decent condition at 175lbs.
I've always had a bit of a belly, never a "V-Shaped" body, and could never bench press more than my own weight, and yet I can win a 1vs2 handicap match against two armed Second Degree Black Belts and disarm both of them and beat them silly with their own weapons.
You probably shouldn't judge men by their appearances. People with zero body fat tend to be vain, such as the body builder on your left side photo.
I do bjj that's why I'm in such good shape 😂+ I'm very firmiliar with MMA I watched UFC one but thank you. Anderson Silva fought in 3 weight classes so... Wanna talk about something you know more about. Now?
If another person on this site tries to deny the existence toxic masculinity again I’m going rip my hair out. YESSSSS, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE OF ALL GENDERS ARE CAPABLE OF BEING TOXIC. Toxic masculinity is just a general term for a variety of toxic behaviors found in men caused by harmful societal pressures to conform to stereotypical gender roles. WOMEN CAN BE TOXIC. MEN CAN BE TOXIC. The reason that toxic masculinity gets way more attention that toxic femininity is because often times when women are toxic we bicker back and forth, spread rumors, and have petty fights. Toxic masculinity is DANGEROUS and actually endangers lives. IT IS POSTS LIKE THIS THAT HELP CREATE MORE TOXIC MASCULINITY. STOP TELLING MEN WHAT MEN SHOULD BE. JUST LET THEM BE PEOPLE.
Toxic masculinity exists, but you are misinterpreting what it is due to your lack of... you know... being a man and understanding what drives us.
To give it a quick summary - masculinity becomes toxic when it is not properly raised and learnt to be dealt with. Just like femininity, masculinity can become either productive or destructive. Just that men becoming destructive often results in physical violence while on women it is emotional violence.
Now the problem is that we are living in a society where boys aren't allowed to develop a healthy level of masculinity, are shamed for being masculine and having higher drives (roughhouse playing, etc), having little to no male role models and are essentially treated like dysfunctional girls rather than having different physical and psychological needs. There is a reason why a good chunk of prisoners come from single mother households - because these men never learnt how to be productive with their masculine energy and drives.
So if you want men to not be toxic you have to allow boys to actually understand their masculine drives - which will naturally result in some extent of gender typical behaviour.
@FakeName123 to sum up what I was trying to say, let men decide what masculinity means to them. Putting pressure on people to be a certain way just creates problems.
Of course that is the ideal. Giving people freedom to explore (albeit within certain guidelines or rules). Problem is we do not give boys the freedom to make these decisions. Instead we put very active boys on ritalin, punish them for roughhousing, comparing them to girls in classrooms, downgrading the value of involved fathers beyond a paycheck, etc.
Just like the feminist mantra says "womens problems are mens problems" - it should also go the other way around. But it doesn't.
@FakeName123 As long as people aren’t harming themselves or others, I think everyone should just be allowed to be who they are. Personally, I think the examples you gave are kind of shitty. Some kids do have disorders and might be better off on medication. I think boys get compared to girls in the classroom because girls generally do better in school. Maybe try studying a little harder. And I don’t think that women devalue involved fathers. I’m pretty sure most mothers would prefer to have the child’s father in their life to help raise their kid. Two parents are preferred, but not necessary. If the mother and father don’t love each other then they can co-parent. If one of the parents is abusive or detrimental to the child’s well being then they shouldn’t be in the child’s life at all.
While I agree with the general sentiment of harming themselves or others, I disagree with your other points.
"some kids do have disorders" - About 20% of all boys in the US are diagnosed with ADHD. Of those a good chunk are prescribed ritalin. Yet, it is a known scientific fact that boys have more physical energy and needs an outlet. But rather than providing that physical outlet, we just diagnose them as dysfunctional (not saying some of those boys have legit ADHD, they do - but by no means 20%).
"I think boys get compared to girls in the classroom because girls generally do better in school" - Again, boys have more energy. Also boys (and men) are a lot more disagreeable than girls (and women). This has been a known fact in psychology for a long time and not changed at all. Needless to say someone who is less agreeable and has different ways of learning does worse. Reality is, when tested for pure subject skills, boys do just as good as girls. And when going past elementary school - where most teachers are female and thus applying female standards - boys suddenly also do better.
The system simply does not accomodate for boys and boy-typical behaviour and learning. Aka boys are treated as dysfunctional girls.
"And I don’t think that women devalue involved fathers" - I really recommend you paying attention to major news outlets and how often they report on how fathers are not needed, etc. I didn't save them, but I have seen a ton of those over the years. In addition to many western countries legalising single parent adoption and IVF.
Reality is that children of singler mothers are drastically more likely to commit suicide (x5), to drop out of school (x9), to use drugs (x10), to be violent, to be homeless and to end up in prison (20x). Even when adjusted for and compare to single fathers, children of single mothers fare less. That's not because women are worse parents. It's because fathers and mothers fulfill different roles. And the role fathers fulfill has to do with mental and emotional stability for the child.
So yes, two parents are sorta necessary for a healthy child. Else the child will always have an uphill battle - and many children will not succeed with that. Needless to say when a parent is abusive, they should be cut out of the childs life.
@FakeName123 Roughhousing and high energy activity isn’t appropriate in all places. School is where kids learn how to behave in formal environments. In a formal environment high energy activity is dysfunctional. I think girls have an easier time learning how to behave themselves, but ultimately it’s necessary for boys to learn to be agreeable (to a reasonable extent) and sit down and be quiet. It’s a shame that some boys feel badly to be compared with girls, but typically girls set a good example.
It is possible for single mothers to raise children that grow up into perfectly normal adults. I’m petty sure most mothers would rather have the help and support of the child’s father. Most single mothers aren’t single parents because they want to be.
And this is the entire issue. You aren't giving particular empathy towards boys different needs to girls. Hence, you even say that "girls set a good example" instead of accepting how both genders have individual needs.
Of course kids have to learn to be formal. But they also have to be allowed to be kids. And boys simply struggle more with sitting on their asses for 6+ hours straight since they need the physical activity to release their energy.
Expecting children - and especially boys - to not be provided some outlet for high energy activity and calling that dysfunctional is rather questionable to be honest.
This is your mindset being clearly sexist towards boys and is what I have an issue with.
@FakeName123 I don’t think I’m being sexist. I mean that’s legitimately the structure of society. When these boys grow up, a lot of them are going to end up in tedious office jobs where they’re going to have sit in an office, at a desk, or behind a counter for hours on end. I think kids should have time to release all that pent up energy. They have recess, gym classes, and time after to school to participate in sports and play with friends. But school is a place to learn. School is what prepares you for the monotony and structure of adult-life.
One thing you gotta ask yourself is why would modern men uphold any standards of masculinity at all.
I mean it's pretty well known that divorce and family courts are very unfair to men.
Or how men are portrayed in the media as incompetent bumbling idiots.
And then there's modern feminism who continuously demonizes men, calling us all sorts of things and demanding we change so that women feel less threatened by our existence.
And lastly. What about women?
I mean you see posts like these all the time. Where are all the good men, why are men such pussies these days.
Well what about all these women who are spending their 20s whoring around , going to parties , doing drugs but can't iron a shirt or can't cook anything else except noodles.
And no one say anything about that and if they do, they get labeled as bitter man baby incel whow can't get laid it whatever
I find takes like this insanely hypocritical.
Also. Your last paragraph is a nice way of defecting criticism
Thanks
I care because 3 of my exes were like that and all 3 of them ended up cheating on me.
I care because being a whore isn't feminine.
And I care because I didn't whore myself around and I didn't do drugs.
I do criticize men who act like idiots.
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Sorry but I do not consider men people who are buff, powerfull and assertive. Men exist in all shapes, sizes and personas. The same goes for women. Also women should not expect everyone to be Lancelot and ride in and save them from themselves. Plus you get the feminists who hate all masculinity and feel it degrades women. No women can be just as strong as men. Being strong doesn't mean having a six pack. It's how you are on the inside and your mental ability. If I was a woman I'd much rather take an intelligent well rounded guy than a gym freak buff. Same goes for women I am not after an Instagram gym freak. I want someone who is themselves weather they think it's being femenine or not.
This is really refreshing to hear. I don't think that it's a coincidence that I'm reading this on a website where many people are anonymous. Masculinity is always portrayed and discussed as being a negative thing, and in addition to the physiological stuff, there are powerful societal pressures pressuring men into behaving more like women. Since men only hear what women say out loud, rather than what they think in their mind (or how they behave without realizing why), many men think that this idealized image of a soft, feminine man is what women actually want. And, that's a shame. I'm glad that I suspected that more women think like you than they'll let on.
I respect your opinion, this is what you want in a Man, fair enough. But I don't agree with everything here and I don't feel like you represent all women here.
I believe that a man should be confident and have self-respect yes, but that still means that he should be open to his emotions in my opinion. He should still be able to cry when times get difficult.
I also think that having societal expectations for what men and women should be is part of the problem. We should just let men and women be who they want to be without judgement based on gender.
I agree with everything you said. There is a war of femininity in females and masculinity in males and an attempt to reverse gender roles.
This is part of why men have less testosterone today and the sperm count in European men became half of what it used to be just 10-20 years ago.
The reason for all these gender wars is to decrease human reproduction and therefore decrease the human population.
There is no need for conspiracy theories and debates about them when the elites in question publicly stated these things. Soros, Rothschild, Rockefeller, they all publicly stated the intention to reduce the human population.
We live in a fucked up world.
Some even say the Covid-19 vaccine that's on the way will make the next generation sterile.
As a healthcare professional, I don't even know what to believe anymore and what can we do if it's true?
Very interesting conversation. However.. apparently the Y chromosome is disappearing. Male XY and female XX. there are others but are genetic disorders (maybe). Y may disappear, but will take a long time if left alone. All this talk about Toxic (shock) and Testosterone is somewhat bullshit. Most people including me (at times) wouldn't know a decent partner if it came up to them and bit them on the ass :) (I'm from Australia, some of us talk/write differently). Not much time to work it out. gotta go now...
See, maybe many men are failures in your eyes... But maybe we're better off not forcing ourselves to be the unfeeling, hunky James Bond? Maybe we're happier and better off without you?
So really, women are the ones who have failed. They have failed at being an adequate incentive. We'd rather find happiness on our own terms than conform to your standards, especially when most modern women are fat, useless whores that I wouldn't want to sire children with, using another man's cock.
Also, you have no insight. This is just regurgitating things I have seen a thousand times over on this site alone. Congrats on being another thoughtless individual.
You know what's humorous? Women who think they're experts on men and masculinity, when not even being men themselves and not even knowing how to make a man happy.
If you want men to start paying your dates, taking care of you, and being masculine, it's time to revoke your right to vote, and all other rights afforded by feminism. Bye bye, female vote.
Until you give that right up, men are not obligated to do anything for you. You cannot pick and choose specific masculine traits that you want in men and expect us to treat you like a child and an adult when it suits you best, that not how this works.
But whatever, I'm sure you've got men all figured out with this cookie cutter article that reeks of a non-essential buzzfeed reject journalist.
What does she wanting a masculine man have to do with female vote?
I don't have a single black friend, but that doesn't mean I want slavery back!
Only mature men know how to induct boys into manhood. But our feminised, PC society wants boys to be raised as gender-neutral, agreeable, docile servants and unquestioning consumers. We're lambasted for not being stronger "advocates" of women's issues, yet those same women tell us our own issues are signs of our "toxic masculinity" and that we have to "check ourselves". We're told its sexist to be proactive, misogynistic to be strong leaders, and cisphobic to prize traditional masculine values like accomplishment, sacrifice, and stoicness. We're told to "show our feelings", and then are abandoned or ridiculed when we actually do that.
Thanks for posting. I agree. It's not only the failures of modern man, but of society as a whole.
The drop in testosterone has been going on for awhile.
A study on a large sample of American men found that the average testosterone level has been dropping by as much as 1 percent per year. Testosterone levels DO lower naturally with age, but this study found that a 65-year-old man in 1987 had about 17 percent more testosterone than a 65- year-old man in 2004, also reflecting that 1% per year drop. This wasn't just limited to Americans; a Danish study found similar results.
Thanks again for the post.
Women are not good now either don't get me wrong
No problem, I didn't read that into your post at all. :- )
Lmao got me
The main issue related to testosterone decreasing is apparently mostly the impact it has on health, like you mentioned with obesity.
Interestingly, the cause of this decrease is speculated to be related to chemicals in medicine just like pesticides inhibit testosterone. That creates the issue that those medicines may be important to health as well, but decrease testosterone levels. Either way, seems like it is mostly caused by pollution of the environment by those medicine. So step forward is that those things ought to be limited (some main ones have become used far less) or to e. g. clean water for it more. Lack of smoking and increased obesity apparently also play a role for lower testosterone levels.
That said, I do agree with the notion that particular parts of what is traditionally considered masculine (e. g. not really sharing emotions I guess) is not an optimal strategy in all scenarios.
I was going to say you very masculine you don't fall in that pool😂 and I thanked you in the article 🙂
Lmao do you think I’m very masculine? That’s a first
I know it.
Why?
Yeah. Agreed. Like everyone wants men to become like K-Pop. 🙄
😨 OMG... I did buy a pink shirt back in Feb for a dollar. I used it to paint my house. I've never owned a pink shirt before... Now I'm worried... I'm too old for K-Pop! 😭 Someone... I need a comfort hug... Anyone?
"Where feelings matter more than facts" Coming from a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/qywdEYUOPzoYou returned with a new profile just so you can pretend again how smart you are and give the worst of advice possible. This is your typical female chameleon. You pretend that you're all about masculine men and yet when it's time for the man to tell you to shut your mouth and get back in the kitchen you throw such temper tantrums that I cannot distinguish between you, the supposed unicorn and a standard issue feminist.
@manhoe I know who you are and reported your profile as a duplicate account. You're the definition of a psychopath.
What you're seeing isn't the failure of modern men it's the devastation caused by a weapon. Just take a look at this video, it's only medium length and you do want answers I'm guessing.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/knOwcZ0y5IEThe men you see were created by enemies getting into the university system and subverting the young and impressionable. They knew the could never subvert grown men who were steady on their feet so they went after the young.
I really enjoyed reading this.
”To the masculine men still Ieft out there” - this is where my brain instantly played the ”I need a hero” song, lol.
Don't worry, real men still exist, they're just typically viewed as toxic because they're too traditional and masculine. Your hero is out there, so make sure you practice cooking and cleaning so that you can be a good little wife for him!
I'm being sarcastics by the way, this whole masculine/feminine thing is just dumb, it's just an attempt to force other people to be how you want them to be. I'm sure you don't want men telling you how to be a woman, so stop telling men how to be men?
You need a hero? Well I need a damsel in distress to save, one who is weak and defenseless and needs to rely on me to save her, that way she can never leave me. That was also sarcasm, those lines are supposed to kind of mirror lines from "I need a hero", you want a man who is larger than life, a noble, gallant knight who will give you all the happiness you think you deserve. The inverse of that is the fact that most men want a woman who is small, weak, defenseless, cute/attractive, shy, and easy to control. You want a man who is big and strong and will take control, and men want you to be small and weak and easy to control. If you want a man to be your hero then that means that you want to be a victim. I just want you to understand what that really means.
@devilman666 no I want a man with a backbone. I don't need a hero but I'm not getting a zero,😂
I'm seeing the 5 of 50 who acted like men. I do like men telling me what to do actually kinda hot and I am small, cute and attractive I can act weak if you like or whatever you need💫
@peachyknees gotta compliment men who are holding it together. And thank you I appreciate that.
@devilman666 She likes manly men. What is wrong with that?
@devilman666 so you're telling me Shrek ain't no good?
@Peachyknees there's nothing wrong with shrek, it was a great satirical comedy. I'm just saying that the song, "I need a hero" pushes patriarchal messaging about men, and thus it attempts to shove women into the role of damsel in distress, where you can't do anything with your life but wait around for a hero to show up and save you, so that you can give yourself to him for the rest of your life.
@ThisIsMyOpinion nothing, as long as she accepts what that really means. A manly man will probably want her to be a feminine woman. If she wants a manly man so she can submit to him and take care of him then sure, but if she wants a manly man just because she likes them, meanwhile she runs around without any sense of tradition or what it means to be a lady.
@devilman666 Manly men don't like just submissive women. Where is the fun in that?
I get what you mean, but don't worry there are plenty of masculine men that won't bother if she is their equal.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I disagree. A man can't force his wife to submit because she is protected by the law. Therefore if you have a defiant wife then you will have a much less relaxing life, she will get angry, get in your face, yell at you, maybe even hit you, and you can't do anything about it because you can't hot a woman. Why would you put up with it? Why would a manly man let hismelf get yelled at and abused? He wouldn't, that wouldn't be a manly man, that would be a bitchboy who wants to pretend to be a real man. A manly man would walk away from that kind of woman, and find a woman who respects him, values him, and submits to him, because submission from a woman is a sign of honor, respect, and love.
@devilman666 I did not meant anyone should force anyone to submit.
If you talk about having a defiant wife and you can't deal with her then separation is the only way. But a women don't have to be submissive or defiant. The idea is that your wife is someone that you can listen and who listens to you to make decisions together. Of course people don't always agree and fighting is natural in any relationship. All is good as long as the fighting happens the right amount.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I blocked him he threaten to rape a Girl or wished her to be raped
@WowwGirl Really?
He is scum.