I always heard that men who go to gym all day doesn't mean they know how to fight, they may have strength but don't know how to use it because they just work out for the looks.
Not exactly, I don't know from where did you hear it most propably one of skinny manlet around you who't don't have guts to put effort to develop his body with tear and blood like a real man does.
First of all anyone who do sports ( it can be any sport ) is a pyhsically strong person cause of activating all of their muscles on their body. Especially people who lift weights are more likely to be stronger than others who don't. Its also about how those people work out in gym, I always workout heavy and for about 1.5 - 2 hours 3-4 days in week but there are also some other people who lift only light weights for about 30 minutes. Still people who work their muscles are more stronger than average people, even during Paleolithic Ages, Ancient times and Medieaval being muscular was sign of being strong&warrior so it still is.
What about a fight? Fighting is very diffrent thing, I can say fighting is all about techniques and its about how brave you are. Since I also do boxing I saw many good affects on me working out in gym, because after I started to work-out and became stronger I started to deliver more damage to my opponets. Actually people who work out have more advantage against who don't, because muscular guys can actually deliver more damage to their opponet and its proven.
Meh, I like my height tbh 181cm is good to do boxing and body building. I wonder why most of people dig a lot into being tall :D Or are you one of those people who think being tall is equal to be strong? Its nothing more than being heavy&cumbersome.
It's not that ripped or muscular guys can't fight. Many professional fighters are ripped. It's really about the focus of the training for most of these guys.
If the guy only lifts weights, and his sole focus is looking ripped, he doesn't care so much about strength and he doesn't train in some form of combat, he can't fight. That's most gym guys. They don't understand technique, they don't have the fighter's mindset. They mostly punch like girls and shit themselves if they end up in a fight with someone who can actually fight.
Then there are guys who don't look impressive physically at all, they look like average guys. They might be a little fat, or they might be skinny. But they've been training and fighting for years. They're usually stronger than they look, fit, they can hit hard, grapple, they've sparred plenty, fought etc. They have a completely different mindset and despite not looking physically impressive it's technique, speed and power that works.
It's more accurate to say someone doesn't need to be ripped to know how to fight.
But if someone knows how to fight AND is ripped, you're fucked.
But if it's a contest between two untrained dudes and one goes to the gym, the gymbro wins unless the flabby one gets a lucky shot in. Untrained strength (gym) > no training, no strength (no gym)
Look, normally, Im very sarcastic and douche, but at times I'm not in the mood for shit sarcasm, obvious shit of which I'm aware. So just keep it girl for yourself, we all know that. I expected a smarter answer from you, precisely.
Well you can get tf out of my page then bc my questions are too stupid for your enormous knowledge, intelligence, etc, blah blah... You think you are funny and shit.
Fighting is complicated. If a guy is heavy and strong, generally the person who hits first will win the fight. I'm not very heavy, actually pretty light for my height, most of the fights I've won have been from being utterly ruthless, throwing the first punch, kick, eye gouge, throwing someone down a flight of stairs, kicking them in the groin, stomping an ankle. Setting an ambush is the best way to fight in my opinion. This comes from learning boxing, tae kwon do, hap ki do, han mu do, jiu jit su, some ai ki do, and MCMAP. It just trains your muscle memory for what to do when you're punch drunk. Breaking limbs, faces, or bodies easier and with less injury to yourself.
I got my ass kicked just about 2 weeks ago though, got punched in the face and knocked right down, guy ran off while I was getting up and starting to reach for a gun.
It's complicated, winding up in jail does not mean winning. I "won" a fight against 2 cops once, then 4 more beat the holy hell out of me and I woke up in a holding cell not knowing if I had felony charges, or any at all. I've kicked a lot of ass, and gotten mine handed to me more times than I can count.
You can look at my crooked nose in my profile picture, that started out straight, and I've reset it every time its been broken, including this last time. Now my nose looks like Caeser's or something from where the smashed up bone and cartilage have met up so many times over the years. The biggest thing to learn about fighting is bring friends, and bring weapons. I don't think gym membership factors into that.
Muscle helps a lot as long as you don't get overconfident. You never know who you're fighting, or how far they're going to take it.
I would say that, 9/10 times, this is true. In high school, I was much smaller than most of the other boys, yet I beat the crap out of hockey and football players. They figured their superior strength would work, but I was both faster and trained in martial arts. Same in the military. I was much smaller than most of my male shipmates and soldiers, yet I never lost to them in hand to hand combat. Smaller or less ripped people tend to think more carefully and strategically to compensate for physical disadvantage.
On another note, the only 2 people to ever beat me in hand to hand combat were both females and smaller than me. One was more experienced in martial arts than me. The other had about the same speed and strength as me but much more determination to win the fight.
@Ayer93 I was not born to fight. I had a very traumatic childhood. I shot my first person out of self-defense when I was 5. Luckily the person survived. After that, I never felt safe unless I was doing martial arts.
I mean, there are differences between workout routines that optimize strength gains and those that optimize muscle hypertrophy (for aesthetics). But any workout routine is going to both make you stronger and look better--just a higher degree of one than the other, depending on the routine.
So no, the guy in the picture probably couldn't win in a fight against a powerlifter or someone who has specifically trained in a martial art or other fighting technique--but he could still pound anyone who doesn't work out at all.
I am considered "ripped" by most people but my body is the result of martial art training from the age of 5 until my mid 20's. In my case I can take care of myself, having 3 different black belts in 3 forms of martial arts (Judo, Jiu jitsu and Tae Kwon Do). But when I turned 40 I decided to hit the gym every day and use supplements to gain weight and muscle mass. I went from having a slim muscular body at 140lbs (I'm 5' 7" tall) to having a body builder type body at 165lbs. I had bigger arms, chest, legs... But what I noticed is that I had lost a lot go agility. As a goaltender playing ice hockey, I noticed I lost flexibility, speed and endurance. I stopped the madness and went back to my old 140lbs and feel much better. My stats as a goaltender went back up exponentially. So in my opinion, I think that a "gym body" is not at all a sign that someone can "fight' or not... training does that. Lifting weight only makes muscles that are "conditi0nned"
@soleil2666 I don't do MMA anymore. I work out for about 15 min everyday and my work is demanding physically so in some aspects, I workout all the time at work...
NO, your body doesn't determine whether you can fight or not it's your training (past or present) that does. At my MMA dojo our BJJ instructor is a big motherfucker standing 6'4 and 280 lbs in mostly muscle, he's a brown belt in BJJ and kick all our asses. Our head BJJ instructor is a small middle aged woman who holds a black belt in both BJJ and Kyokushin Karate and makes a living training professional fighters (mostly men) and she's a badass too. So anyone with any body type can learn how to fight, whether you're as big as Phil Heath or as small as Yoda.
this is why i box instead, im not a tall guy im only 5'9 and I've taken big ass mfs, besides, muscles can slow down you down if they dont have the proper training, decent sized people can swing faster and nail more jabs then someone like this size in the image above, not to mention dodging someones strikes, with all that weight i can't imagine, they would need to practice fighting too if they want to fight.
There's a difference in saying that guys that go to the gym can't fight, and ripped guys can't fight.
These guys are trained to fight, run, whatever is necessary for combat. These guys can most definitely put up a good fight. These kinds of guys train to be ripped. Nice for showing off, but would most likely get their asses kicked by real fighters.
I still wouldn't suggest picking fights with gym ''bros''. They might have horrible technique, but one accurate punch could kill most of us. However, as I said, real fighters, amateur or professional, could easily beat them in a fight.
Bodybuilders (usualy) only build muscles but don't the martial arts techniques to fight. Also if you are a bodybuilder, you get rid of all body fat to make your muscles show even better, but far does protects the organs, so you are vulnerable to like a punch in the kidneys.
But there are hundreds different fighting styles and some most likely require the same muscles which bodybuilders focus on during their training.
Sure. Right up until you meet that ex-Marine who feeds you your own teeth.
Seriously though, even if they can't fight, if you take two dudes who can't fight and let them flail around like retards, I'm still putting my money on the one who's ripped.
It isn't the same for them all. Some of them can fight, but most people don't know how to defend themselves using their body alone. Unless they take up a martial art or boxing, I wouldn't expect them to know how to fight unless they just got into a lot of street fights early in life.
Yes and no, being strong is obviously an advantage in a fight, but I'd argue that they're developing the wrong kind of attributes and not thinking practically, this also goes for mixed martial artists. The average number of assailants in crime currently at 2.5 and climbing, the likelihood of one being armed is also increasing, which would make strength and knowledge in hand to hand combat useless. If you're trying to use your hands to protect yourself, you're doing it wrong.
@YellLow Proof, memories, and tradition. I don't kill endangered animals, that's illegal, don't ya know? You wouldn't think deers are so cute if you'd ever been close to one, they're violent as shit, lol.
Bc they try to protect themselves, their babies and their territory and all you do is fucking kill them ugh, the stupidest hobby ever i swear... doesn't make sense discussing this, is like discussing religion, Ill get pissed in vain.
@YellLow I kill them and donate 90% of the meat, and take 10% for myself, not just killing them. If you'd ever been hunting, you'd have a different opinion.
I can't see the animal alive and minutes after, dead. I wouldn't be able to eat it. I never eat the fish my dad fishes. He brings it all alive and puts it on the sink until he cook it. U see him moving and trying to breathe, thay shit sad af. Ik I eat meat but bc going vegan is very expensive yet and hard, but i prefer to eat dead meat, i dont want to see it living, dont nees to imagine it. Plus i eat about 4 animals only, chicken, fish, a bit of beef and pork. No more, no bunnies, no sheeps, no goats, no horses, no bulls, no sharks... The less the better, dont need to eat every damn animal.
Just kill it and eat it, dont post it and dont show off. Thats all im saying. Its like you are mocking of their death. Ofc they died, ofc they lost against your gun. What were u expecting?
How physically fit a person is really doesn't mean to much if they don't have much experience and only strength. Of course in say a boxing match someone who is fit will have an easier time out lasting someone unfit but if said unfit person is an extremely talented boxer that guys fitness doesn't really matter unless he gets somehow knocked out instantly but in short how someone looks means nothing in fighting capability
The truth is that if they are a bodybuilder they won't be able to fight well. Bodybuilding exercises don't actually improve strength all that much, and the movements they train are wonky. So their muscles aren't useful.
The people I wouldn't mess with are the powerlifters and strong men, as well as professional athletes. Their muscle mass is 100% functional. That's dangerous.
Everyone is different - but when it comes to fighting, don't judge a book by it's cover is a good rule of thumb. While I've seen some ripped guys know how to fight, I've also seen guys who you would think are scrawny or whatever but pack a wallop and really know how to fight fight.
Well I would say it depends. If he's ripped, but he also practices martial arts and does his stretches I think he will still be a great fighter. Cause he learned the techniques and practices them.
However if the guy all he does is weight lifting and nothing else. Then he might be big, but I bet he won't last in the ring.
No. There are no absolutes. Guys who want to improve their body, do it for individual reasons. But fight training is a separate situation. I can be buff from body building, or from training for my next MMA match. You won't know till I got your ass in a rear naked choke hold...
Not true, but the opposite doesn't have to be true either. I'm fairly confident I can beat most guys that frequent the gym even though I don't. That's because I've practiced a lot of martial arts and I have a height advantage. However, if someone is both ripped and has also done a good deal of martial arts, he would definitely have an advantage.
there's a huge amount of ego driven men hitting the gym to intimidate other men so they are not picked on. I would rather fight a huge dude than a skinny or small dude who does martial arts
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lol... no, no you got it wrong. Don't assume just because a guys "not ripped" he can't fight. When i was at a Navy base, i remember seeing some SEALs doing PT around the base with out their shirt. They're not exactly ripped like you'd see in the movies but they'll hurt you bad lol.
I work out a lot and I had 6 months MMA training and I believe i can fight 3 to 5 persons (adults) that has no training with no problems. They would land a lot of punches on me but am not fallin down that easy, and it's gonna be painful too.
It can be true, it can be untrue. There are ripped guys who really can fight and some who really can't. Size can't give you a decent jaw, unfortunately. If you have a glass jaw you will always have it.
It's more to say that just because your muscles are huge, that doesn't mean you're good in fights. In my experience, guys who are ripped are not usually good at fighting, but there are definitely some ripped fighters.
I think it can be true. Working out at gym all day doesn't mean you know how to use your strength in fight. Moreover, the more you increase your bulk, the more you lose your flexibility.
Looks don't win fights. A gym bunny is probably strong, which helps in a fight if he knows what he is doing. He might be a very accomplished fighter but you can't tell by looking.
It's not true. Only extreme bodybuilders have very stiff bodies, but they have enough strength and mass to overwhelm normal guy without any fighting training.
Combat experience and getting ripped are two different things which take different exercises to train. Focusing on one would improve the other as a byproduct but not as much as if it was the main focus. Basically, it varies person to person.
Fighting is one thing aesthetics is one thing... Bodybuilders have strength but lack fighting technique whereas fighters have fighting skills but aren't as strong as bodybuilders.
ripped guys are usually the weakest especially before competition. How do i know because when they're ripped they shed a lot of fat and weight and they dehydrate themselves before a competition. As for not knlwing how to fight that's entirely up to the person.
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Why fight a fair fight ever? That's what weapons are for. Knives, mace, taser guns/stun guns, brass knuckles, and even guns or even bb guns. And a lot is based on psychological warfare. You'd be surprised how many guys who were twice my size to four times my size go running scared when they find out i have a weapon on me and how many get even more intimidated when they think it's a gun when it's not and it's just a knife and mace and taser gun. Psychological warfare can be more dangerous than physical fights because they know their life could end any minute and those psychological scars last longer than any broken bones in a person's body
You can even use your leather belt the buckle part or keys in the eyes and ears and bridge of the nose as a weapon or even a pen to the juggular vein or corota artery of the side of the neck or pen to the eyes or inside ear drums
Being ripped does not indicate that he knows how to fight, but I wouldn't assume anything one way or the other. After all, the Native Americans had a saying "be wary the man who does not speak, the dog that does not bark."
That has nothing to do with "knowing how to fight." But I will tell you that looking cut like in the picture does not equal strength. The guys that have a build more like a bear are much stronger than the ones that look very cut.
Any guy who watches mma can tell you that strength isn't everything. A good technique can overcome any man no matter how strong. Good strength but poor technique won't get you far.
Ehh it's less that they can't fight and more that "strength doesn't necessarily imply skill". You can have all the power in the world, but if you don't know how to use it then it's pointless.
Sometimes true, but then again someone who can rip your arm off is always a threat.
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My training has given me the strength to bend steel with my bare hands. I will just crush your hand in a fight lol. On a serious note, you simply cannot judge a book by it's cover.
It's possible that a muscular guy cannot fight. Yet I I wouldn't assume that. The inverse is true. I am not extremely muscular, but I am pretty good at fighting if I must.
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