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Seriously the “macho bullshit” isn’t why men kill themselves. It’s societies complete disregard for men as people.
We have no resources, funding, support, shelters, parental rights, etc.
Society treats us like we are disposable.
What specifically would you like to see change?
If society cared for men the way they care for women. There would be a shit ton less suicide.
Give us the same funding, resources, protection, parental rights, etc.
Are you sure every man wants all that? Many traditional conservative men pride themselves on being the pioneers for protection and resources in the family. They’d rather be at work than stay at home with the kids which hinders their parental authority and ultimately, rights in courts.
being proud of being a man doesn’t mean we want society to treat us like shit.
We take pride in our work and our ability to provide and protect, but that doesn’t mean we are ok with society taking everything from us including our children to give to the female.
Not funding mens health issue, not giving us shelters or resources for victims of women, providing support for males the way they do women when it comes to homelessness, mental health, etc.
That’s understandable. There is a lot of work by men that goes uncredited and under appreciated. I will say though they There are domestic crisis centers that do house men. Many men don’t talk about it and some never seek help when they need it.
Yes there are housing shelters for “anyone” but there are little to no male only shelters for those males who need them for protection from violent partners, from being put out on the street after a broken relationship, etc... like there is for women. Even though women are the ones who make out like a lottery winner in a divorce.
Wouldn't that be nice. It doesn't even have characteristics they want people (girls) to have. I've heard women refer to them as insecure who believe they are showing strength when fear/insecurity is the primary reason
Yeah but how about we not get kicked down even further when we do show vulnerability? That's why men don't do it because more people want to mock them or shame them than help them.
There needs to be a balance between being macho and showing your emotion.
Male suicide is a massive problem. Its a shame we can't talk about these issues much without some radical third wave feminist shutting us down.
I agree. And there are no radical feminists shutting anyone down here.
Good. I've just seen several meetings about mens issues be shut down in the past because of them. Equality means we talk about everyone's problems.
Being vulnerable is rule one of bankruptcy... if you'rein business you can't be a pushover
Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see
For the most part I do agree. I think playing the victim is way worse than toughing it out though. Somewhere in between is best. Most men are too far on one side and most women too far on the other, we need to both find the middle
yes macho bs is for the birds and guys who are very insecure
That's weird, because back in the day when men were more macho the male suicide percentages was very small.
Good point.
There was also more acceptable domestic abuse towards women.
Male rape wasn't defined until 1923 (I think). Male rape victims were accused of being gays and often beat.
Back in the day when? I mean which year? when there was a world war going on? yes people are less likely to kill themselves when they died in a war, or due to crimes and poverty after the war :))
Another observation, suicide registration is a complicated medical and legal process, so it's pretty hard to tell the "suicide percentages" in, say, late Victorian period. After all it's kinda hard to tell how many suicides are there if those suicides are not reported lol
Mental health does not have a gender, pour more money into mental health schemes and we can begin to tackle suicide of every gender/race/religion etc more vigorously.
Guys have to deal with internal shit. Usually if we vocalize it out will be socal suicide because men are messed up in the head more then women understand.
The problem is trying to conform to norms which are unnatural to those guys. Each man should follow his own path. If that includes the above, then yes.
yes find your true strength as a human and be yourself
Yeah, because when you keep your vulnerabilities locked inside they find some way to manifest themselves and all too often do so in a manner (appropriately) described as "toxic masculinity".
i think men should express their feelings bc there are people who will support them and it doesn’t make them less “manly” or whatever
It certainly does. Mankind survived because men fought to survive in times of adversity and struggle, as oppossed to crying about their situations
sure , now the hardest part is to find person who willing to hear all my whining/complain about life
Finding that person is easy. Just google local therapists. Paying them is the harder part. Then there's the fact that after you pay the therapist, you realize you'd be in a better state of mind if you had spent that money on a few lap dances at the local ballet.
If a therapist can’t help you then you have no business being in any relationship.
I'm not the one with anything to cry about, or any vulnerabilities to open up and show; so I'm not the one with anything to work out with a therapist. But in concept I agree with your statement.
Hard pass for me. Women get turned off by vulnerability.
Only low quality women are turned off by vulnerability. Smart women who are high quality know how to appreciate a man who balances vulnerability with masculinity.
Manning up isn’t necessarily to say to bottle up emotions. It’s to save it until we have time and are in
... the right place to do show it. Imagine you ending up getting a flat tire, is spending all your time throwing a fit about it going to fix the problem? No, you can be annoyed but you can still fix it and you can always throw it later if you don’t get over it while fixing the issue.
In a world where men are constantly blamed for everything, it would be idiotic to think that the reason they kill themselves is because they're macho.
no because women hate it when men show vulnerability
You have to question what type of women that applies to. Not good ones, I’ll tell you that much.
Then probably you will find handful of women, it has nothing to do with good or bad it's just some predefined expectations women resent such men I know for sure, if not by luck it will take an eternity to search such women
I agree, suicide in general is the biggest cause of death besides random accidents now. That's crazy.