Is a ranting feminist a turn-off for most guys?

[Anonymous]

Do guys find it cringey and unattractive?

[MrOracle]

Of course.
The vast majority of men are perfectly fine with women being equal in virtually all respects (some things are going to be different due to women's different physiology and individual desires, but a very high percentage of areas can be completely equal), but feminists aren't looking for equality - that was achieved in the West decades ago, and they certainly don't care about the parts of the world where women are far from equal - instead, they're all about female superiority and blaming men for everything that's wrong in the world.

Here's a lovely article, written by a feminist (who seems to know little about spelling or grammer), that is so full of contradictions your head will spin, who can't understand why men don't want to date her even though she hates them and fears them and blames them for everything.

https://archive.is/ZlhSz

This article was published in a professional publication - and there are plenty of others like this. Certainly not all women are this way, but a lot of them are, and even many who aren't true-blue feminists have still absorbed a lot of the feminist attitudes.

Just read this article and imagine YOU being the guy trying to deal with this woman and meet her contradictory expectations.

[btbc92]

Men, especially immature and abusive ones rather a woman is silent and give him plenty of sex. Her being a feminist is of no concern to him if she won't give him sex. A man in general doesn't like meaningless arguments. So if your ranting, ask yourself why. And then look at the relationship. Does he rant when you want, but doesn't want to hear what YOU have to say? It means you in a relationship that is toxic, controlling, and abusive. You do not want to stay in that.

These men will call you a feminist or SJW regardless if you are one or not because you are voicing your opinion. Men have been taught wrongly about things both biblically and historically about women. A woman can be a strong silent type like myself who doesn't talk much but have a LOT to say. Especially as a natural introvert. What they want are naive submissive women who they can impose on. Not a smart woman who can naturally be submissive but knows when she is being taken for granted. I don't find what is so wrong with being a person who stands up for what it's right. It's WHAT you decide to do with it and what your fighting for that may be the problem.

Men today don't know how to be men. And in turn, women have long lost what it's like to be a woman and how to act like one. What I had learned is people today are abusive, lack empathy, compassion, and real love anymore. None of this craziness would go in if men actually listen. Many don't even listen to God. So it says something right there. God is supposed to be at the core of a man's life. Men have forsaken that. But expects a loyal woman.

[jack187625]

Are your first two paragraphs all about immature and abusive men, or men in general?

How are you defining "how to be a man"? Or a woman? What are you think men don't listen to? And why would that make the world a better place? And it might say something to you, that some men aren't religious, but it says something to me that some women are.

I expect a loyal woman, but I'm also a loyal man, so I don't see any problems with that.

Misandry isn't any better or worse than misogyny. Both are terrible. Please keep that in mind.

[btbc92]

@jack187625 Pay attention. It is for those who apply. Not all men fit this category. But they are RARE to find nowadays. Many men are immature and abusive.

"How are you defining "how to be a man"?" What does the Bible say what a man is?

All that the word of God says: insider.pureflix.com/.../22-bible-verses-about-husbands-and-their-role-in-marriage

"Or a woman?" As the word of God says.

"What are you think men don't listen to?"
- I don't want you watching porn: Watches porn anyway.
- I don't want you liking these women on social media: "You can't tell me what to do."
- Why are you looking at other women?: "We're men. We can't help it."
-I need you to do this, that, and the third.: Doesn't do it or do it when he wants to. If he wants to.
- You don't listen to me!: "I do listen!" Actually doesn't by actions alone.

Men's responses from many replies ago: Nobody like a nagging woman. A woman who talks to much is...

I don't have to think. I know. Thank God not all men are like that.

[btbc92]

"And it might say something to you, that some men aren't religious, but it says something to me that some women are." Oh, I learned that since 8. It's why many are unhappy because they think religion has to teach them how to be a decent human being. God says that in his word. And the things of Christianity aren't religious at all. But it's handled like one. Likewise for women too. We're naturally like that and you want to know why you don't have a woman in your life or you asking for one.

[btbc92]

"I expect a loyal woman, but I'm also a loyal man, so I don't see any problems with that." You expect a loyal woman, be the man a woman can be loyal to. You can be loyal as a person, but actions speak louder than words. And in the end like you, we also are the judges of that if you are loyal. This is why I would never date a person who doesn't share my values. Religion isn't what I look at. I look at your heart for even many Christian men fail at this. "Men are men and women are women. There is not one that is better than the other. It doesn't matter your race, religion, creed, gender, or whatever label you associate with. You are all cut from the same clothe and we are in the same boat are heading into the same way." Words from God many years ago that he once told me. It doesn't matter. A Christian is no different than a Buddist or an Atheist. Just one that believes in GOD, one that believes that may be one or that nature is God or gods, and one who doesn't believe. But we're still HUMAN, and God created who? The human race. It is a choice in this life whom you may serve. God or Mammon for you cannot serve yourself, your still serving mammon. Christians are not exempt as any of us are. Boarder the way leads to hell. But the straight and narrow path leads to heaven. That is our reality and spiritual reality. Doesn't matter what you believe, you do go where the soul chooses to go based on this life. Your soul is either growing or remaining to stagnate. Some die making it to Jesus, others become like Jesus which is sadly very few, and many do not.

[btbc92]

"Misandry isn't any better or worse than misogyny. Both are terrible. Please keep that in mind." Listen. I highly suggest you get your life in order. Your the one taking offense as if you have to prove something to women. You have to answer to God as we all do. I said not about misandry or misogyny. I am just stating the facts. Something that obviously seems personal to you. So if it is, take notes, ask God to help you, make sure you're seeking a woman for the right reason, or else you will attract either yourself or similar and or not the women you want. Because it sounds like you have a hard time attracting "loyal" women. I will tell you as a loyal woman. Your attitude is a turnoff. Point Blink. A loyal woman takes on the genetic structure God had designed her. She cannot lead herself. But then again like you said not all men are "religious". Well, the same with women. I'm a spiritual Christian, not religious. But there is a good reason why many secular men come to church for religious women, and no, it's not always with good intent. It's because your secular women follow the patterns of whoredoms, but want us to wife. By following your ways if she wasn't already backsliding or living it secretly.

[btbc92]

So please STOP. I've been out of church for YEARS. on and off since 16. I know a man is a man and a woman is a woman. While church culture and secular culture is different in how you carry yourselves in public, the operation is still the same. Churchmen lust, Churchwomen sleep around in and out, so what is the difference? And that is for the ones who DO, or did it. Just like with secular people. There are some who never grew up in the church, yet do everything that God commanded and eventually do find God. While now people attending Church and believing in God are at a dramatic all-time low and many leaving the faith. But then again, a lot of them never really believed at all, have been taught wrong and abused by PEOPLE that God did not SAY to do, or they're disappointed with God which is a personal matter. Everybody has choices. Life is about them. Everybody got problems. Where are you exempt? Your human just like the rest of us born here.

[jack187625]

Thank you for your clarification of the first two paragraphs.

I do not know what the clarification of a man is according to the Bible. (The link you sent was asking me to sign up, so I just passed on that) In my mind, religion started out as something to explain the unexplainable, eg. For the sun to move, a god pulls it across the sky on a chariot. It helps people understand something and feel secure in that thought process.

Then as religion grows, it's used as a way to obtain wealth and power. If you use force to control people, you can never trust them. They will rebel at some point, costing you money and man power. Holy texts are written by people who understand this premise who want to keep power where it was or to shift it towards themselves.

Would you like me to break down a response to all of those statement's? A brief overview would be this. "Men and women have different priorities, and when people don't communicate it a thoughtful manner and make demands that the other party doesn't see as reasonable, the other party is going to ignore them. That happens from both sides. Not just men."

[jack187625]

Christianity, by definition, is a religion. You are worshipping a deity. Religion. And it isn't religions job to teach people how to be a decent human being. That's societies job. Especially considering it is society that dictates what makes a decent human being.

[btbc92]

My bad about the quote. He said "You all are cut from the same cloth and are all heading in the same direction." Sorry about that. Haven't heard that since 22 and my memory hasn't been that great.

[jack187625]

Now to really upset you. I have a long term partner. And yes, I am loyal, and to the best of my knowledge, so is she. We don't need religion to indoctrinate us to be that way, that's just how we are.
Christians are very different to Buddhists and atheists. Neither one of the former has waged countless wars to spread ideology, power and wealth. Christianity has. But I digress, your constant use off religion in your responses set me off on a tangent.

Yes, women and men are equal. Not at everything, not even compared to their own genders but they have equal worth and merit.

[btbc92]

@jack187625 You got it all wrong. God is not a religion. He doesn't CARE. Ether you follow the rules or you don't. He is the one that is in control. You're not flying like birds, your planted to the ground. You can't leave earth without a space shuttle, you'll die without oxygen.

"I do not know what the clarification of a man is according to the Bible. (The link you sent was asking me to sign up, so I just passed on that) In my mind, religion started out as something to explain the unexplainable, eg. For the sun to move, a god pulls it across the sky on a chariot. It helps people understand something and feel secure in that thought process." I wanted you to read the scriptures not sign up on that. But because it was easier than typing all of it down. Going back to the statement. No. And I just learned this in ancient history last year besides what I know with my relationship with God. Religion doesn't explain the inexplicable. It's designed to keep people bound when God and even Jesus had never said to do that. The man used religion as part of a systemic control system. And even scholars are stomped by this because ancient civilizations had a complex system that was more advanced than ours. These beings are REAL and some of them are still here hiding out and some are coming back shortly. This why we're seeing things now in 2021. The earth is going through a reset. Just like the Black plague was supernational. But that world ENDED and a new world began. The earth has cycles. And we're living towards the end of a new beginning. It's not about what's in your mind, you believe what you want. But what's in your mind creates what you want in your world. My world is not the same as yours. We're just sharing space.

[jack187625]

Apart from my industry being destroyed by this pandemic, my life is in order. Your original comment was very misandristic. And I'm not taking offence, I'm taking the chance to try and engage with a bigot to try and find out why and if there is a way I could influence them to a more egalitarian path.

Also, I have not seen a single fact stated (unless you count that you were quoting the Bible, but that is another discussion entirely) at best you have anecdotal hearsay that backs up your position.

To reiterate, if you are Christian, you are religious.

I never mentioned anyone being exempt from anything. I feel like perhaps you are the one who is offended right now.

[btbc92]

"Then as religion grows, it's used as a way to obtain wealth and power. If you use force to control people, you can never trust them. They will rebel at some point, costing you money and man power. Holy texts are written by people who understand this premise who want to keep power where it was or to shift it towards themselves." Relgion doesn't grow. It just gets tighter the more people choose to not be confined to control. That is something that again God didn't say to do. What he wanted was for us to honor and worship him in love and as a father, because he is our father. That is why you as a man have power. You have more power than a woman does. You have the power to create and destroy. Power to lead us and influence us. Women have the power to create also, but we need the protection of a man to have a healthy pregnancy and deliver of offspring. Or the ability to destroy (abortion), your whole life (divorce and material possessions taken).

[jack187625]

So your belief in God isn't you worshipping a diety? If you are still confused by this premise, here is the Oxford English dictionaries definition of religion;

Oxford Dictionaries defines religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

If you believe in God, you are religious.

How does it not? One of the main points of the Bible is that a diety created the earth. How else are you going to believe it happened without the scientific knowledge we have now. How else would they gain an acceptable explanation for thunder and lightning?

Some of these things happen, contrary to what people think, we are not at the top of the food chain, other organisms feed off us and use us as vessels to multiply in.

[btbc92]

So there much we have given but it's what you as a human being choose to do with it. Do right or do wrong. You already have the knowledge from what Adam and Eve did. That's why sin grows and causes problems, God has to handle that. But he can only do so without overstepping on your freewill if you let him or if he has no choice. You get a woman pregnant, you need to take care of that baby. So because of your negligence as "parents" he has to make sure that child is going to grow up with spiritual provisions to protect them from the parents IF the parents is proven to not care. This is why poverty, murder, rape, and such are allowed to happen and bad things to good people. To wake you UP. He gives you freewill to choose. If you choose to kill, you go to jail. If you rape, you may go to jail if proven guilty, but now you may have got an innocent pregnant, and a child is born because of your lusts and uncontrolable urges. Something YOUR responsible for. The desire to do good or evil has to be in you to do. Some are good some born evil. Some choose to be one of the other or some turn evil, others can become good. Life down here on this planet is about those choices. It is a lab and a system. To see what you will do. By those who are part of the system, and beings who are the system.

" And it isn't religions job to teach people how to be a decent human being. That's societies job. Especially considering it is society that dictates what makes a decent human being." Let me ask you a question. Where do society get their laws? Society cannot operate on its own, it would be chaotic. God teaches us that. Not society. Society is not God and isn't. If that is the case why are our systems failing? You think it's always because you have the wrong people in the chairs? WHO THEN QUALIFIES? Who also determines that qualification? Everything you read in the Bible repeating today. You just need eyes and spiritual wisdom to see it.

[btbc92]

As long as your carnal minded, you will think carnally which is flawed. Even things I'm telling you isn't always from textbooks. But when God has for me to speak to you in real-time. I just speak, and I suddenly know what to talk to you about. Some needs more time in prayer for that. Others can get word just by reading or signs. For me, I just go the Father and ask. And I get my answer. When I asked him at 22, why are people the way they are. That quote is what he told me. He didn't sugarcoat the truth like many pastors have done. He gave me the facts that I needed to hear. The problem with most people, Christians too? They don't want to hear the truth. They only want to hear from God when it only benefits them.

So in other words. If the only thing in your world (your mind) that matters is what you believe and see, that is all you are going to see based on what you believe. Because you refuse to see and actually hear. Because that is what YOU want. Anything you say, I can easily interpret and tell you what I may know. And if I don't, I ask God unless he tells me to tell you this. Other than that, I still learn to be a person who desires to learn. Not when it is appealing to me. You have to be multidimensional to understand this. Not how you interpret but how the Holy Spirit gives you wisdom.

[jack187625]

Men and women have the same power the create and destroy. A woman's power does not come from her ability to divorce and doesn't depend on a man. Of course religion grows, did it start across Europe at exactly the same time? Was it not taken via boats to colonies? Or carried by invading armies? Does these religious people not follow a doctorine set out by someone? It might of split from one part of religion to create a new part based on the same ideology, how do you think the Church of England started?

I'm slightly confused how you've gone from misandry to misogyny. Maybe you do believe everyone is equal, but in an exceptionally bad way?

[btbc92]

Sir, you are very much offended and you have issues. Your taking everything personally, you call me a bigot which shows your level of intelligence, and it says a lot about your character and about you besides being -1000% wrong. You are deliberately choosing to behave like a jerk. Besides making a lot of assumptions.

"Apart from my industry being destroyed by this pandemic, my life is in order. Your original comment was very misandristic. And I'm not taking offence, I'm taking the chance to try and engage with a bigot to try and find out why and if there is a way I could influence them to a more egalitarian path." No, my original comment is stating the facts here. You find it that because you took offense to it. And no you not. Because you already assumed that of me, so I can see why you have issues. And probably don't have much of a college education which I am getting myself. I ain't here to influence on you that you don't want. You need a why. You just need to change how you treat people and look at women. This is probably why, if my assumptions and what I am sensing is correct, you don't have one. But you want one. Make sense.

"Also, I have not seen a single fact stated (unless you count that you were quoting the Bible, but that is another discussion entirely) at best you have anecdotal hearsay that backs up your position." Because you know why? I can give so MANY peer-reviewed references and you still wouldn't care. Quoting the word of God is the very fact you don't want, but your pissed about it. So that isn't my problem. You asked before how men don't listen. Your one of them for you call me a bigot. The hell are you? I don't want any toxic man who got problems and act immature.

[btbc92]

"To reiterate, if you are Christian, you are religious." That's why I don't date control freak men. Telling me who I am. Who the hell are you to tell me who I am? You better reiterate yourself and stick it up there. I am a spiritual Christian and at times like this I don't call myself Christian. That doesn't mean I don't believe and hear and love and worship God. It means my personal relationship with God and Christ is NONE of your business! So stay out of it and stop with your bias of people. You don't sound likable.

"So your belief in God isn't you worshipping a diety? If you are still confused by this premise, here is the Oxford English dictionaries definition of religion;" I ain't confused man. Enough with your gaslighting and manipulative behavior. I don't to a dictionary to know who I believe in. Really. I guess you need a dictionary to tell you you're a man. Oh wait, are you a woman?

"Oxford Dictionaries defines religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." I honestly don't care.

"If you believe in God, you are religious." That's why your not likable and can't get a woman. Telling a woman who she is and what she is. Sounds like misogyny to me.

So THANK YOU for showing me your true character! A misogynist who has an issue with rejection.

[jack187625]

Once again to reiterate, in a long term relationship.

I am trying to open your mind, but obviously you don't want to hear (or see I guess as you are reading) and I'm offended by misandry the same why I'm offended by misogyny. If it helps I have a first class bachelor of science, and as you are being misandristic and misogynistic, that makes you a bigot. I am worried about your education you seem to be proud off if you think definitions aren't important or that "1000% wrong" makes sense to you.

And you haven't produced a single piece of statistical evidence, just quoted Bible verses at me as if they are the be all and end all.

And I am someone who uses the English language. Who knows what words mean. If you are this offended when you are saying you are a Christian, believe in God and then say you aren't religious, that isn't my fault.

And no, I don't need a dictionary, I think you might though as you seem to not understand some of the words I'm using, hence why I quoted one for you. Seemed to get you more annoyed than you think I am about the Bible verses.

Not a misogynist, egalitarian.

I would say it's been fun, but I will go with interesting instead. Thank you for the discussion.

[btbc92]

@jack187625 You ain't opening up anything. And I DON'T need somebody like you to try to tell me anything. Please step off.

[PattiCake327]

I don't like Jehovah's witnesses coming to my door telling me what to believe. Why wouldn't it be the same for feminism? People need to come to their own conclusions about things, not have it forced upon them. There is a difference between being passionate about your beliefs and being obnoxious.

[Nalix]

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Ranting and nagging in general are some of the most unattractive things a woman can do, and most only do it when they think, usually subconsciously, that a man has no choice but to be with them and they feel at ease enough with him to open up all the negative emotions that they usually hide. A man should feel honored, but women need to learn that even men patient with this sort of behavior do not have infinite patience and don't want to hear your rant. They want to solve your problem so that the rant goes away.
Feminist rants in particular are difficult to deal with because they often assume a reality that makes no sense to men, and is a blatant contradiction to their observed reality. While any rant is emotionally draining, rants that make no sense, have no solution, and return regularly are the worst. Can you imagine dealing with a man who is constantly grumpy and refuses to cheer up no matter what? What if the only time he ever shows a smile is when you agree with the voices in his head? No one should have to deal with that, men or women.

[JeromePel]

Most self-respecting men aren't into feminists the same way most self-respecting blacks aren't into white supremacists. Most people with their shit together aren't into people who play the victim and blame societal boogeymen for all their problems.

Just like with anything, you'll find people everywhere on that spectrum, just depends how high your standards in men are. If you are looking for a high quality man though, you might want to work on yourself and that feminism of yours, deserve what you want ;)

[Asker]

I don't live in the west and where I live women genuinely do not have the same rights as men, though that's not remotely close to what I was ranting about.

My rant was about the over-sexualization of the female body by men, which began after he told me he believed in 'tits when I asked if he believed in a higher power. He could have meant it jokingly, but I found it offensive... especially when my own breasts are larger than average.

[JeromePel]

Oh shit, yeah sorry for the assumptions, some (most?) countries indeed are quite unfair to their women. I'm Canadian and sometimes some women here whine about it, so my knee-jerk reaction is to think it's BS, my bad.

"He could have"... Yeah I'll go out on a limb and say no one in history ever said boobs were a "higher power" non-jokingly ahah. I remember once hearing someone say something to the effect of: " whenever your expectations of what the world should be clash with the way it is, you call that a problem and suffer. Learn to accept things as they are."

Now, of course, this isn't an excuse for just always accepting the Status Quo and not wanting to change the world for the better, but I'd be curious to hear what you call "over" sexualization, are your expectations unrealistic or is it really the case? You might resent men and society all your life for something that's just natural and is exactly where it should be but clashes with your expectations. In your opinion, what's an example of something that's "an understandable and sufficient amount of sexualization" vs "over-sexualization"?

Finding things offensive is more than understandable, but reducing that in your life should be a priority. Taking things personally is rarely useful. Moreover, reactions and comments of others rarely, if ever, have anything to do with you, even when it seems like it.

P. S. That might have been his awkward way of saying he's attracted to you, clearly he likes at least one part lol, hopefully there's more to it.

P. P. S. A debate about sexualization might still have been less awkward than one about religion ;)

[Asker]

Yeah I also don't really get it when western women complain about inequality to be honest.

I see your point. I meant as in the setting we were in was not like that, I found it weird he had to to make the conversation physical/sexual whilst I wanted to get to know him as a person. Maybe I'm too serious and traditional of a person, but I would have preferred if he didn't make that comment, I felt like that is mainly what he looks for in women.

Over-sexualizing is when a society teaches women to base their entire self-worth on their appearance and on their sexual capital. I resent the fact that *that* is what women are essentially reduced to, and we are raised to base our value on how many men will look our way, not primarily on how successful we are as individuals.

[JeromePel]

Yeah the issue is that if he's not currently having sex with you, he'll most likely want to before it matters how much you know each other/connect and for you, it's probably the opposite. How our species made it that long sometimes baffles me ahah.

To be fair, guys are fed that a lot as well, your self-worth is based on your success with women or how much money you make. The issue is that media or marketing, almost by definition, is going to be superficial, so basing one's self-worth on that is always going to be an unfulfilling fool's errand.

You might be fed up with society broadcasting these messages over and over, but don't let your annoyance of that process become annoyance of men, that's just the way our brains work. Saying that we overvalue how physically attracted to you we are, would be like saying that peacocks overvalue colorful plumage or for a fish to say we overvalue breathing lol.

Also, you seem young, so I don't know about your dating experience, but don't you like being objectified once you're attracted to a guy and/or are in a relationship with him? I don't think I ever met a woman who doesn't like for her man to be turned on by her. I get that, if you're looking for more than a one night stand, you ultimately need more than that, but you can't really get mad that their sexualization of you happens earlier than you'd want it given that this is what makes them approach you and will lead to good sex later on.

[Asker]

Yeah I'm young maybe that's where my ignorance is coming from, immediate sexual attraction is not a requirement for me to like someone at first. So maybe that idea is kinda new to me, hence my surprise.

Sure I'd like for him to objectify/sexualize me once we get to know each other well and are in an established relationship, but we'd just met and I don't feel comfortable with that right off the bat. Felt kind of shallow, like everything else about me was second-thought, if that makes sense. I understand now that it's just biology and it's dumb to be surprised by this.

But I totally get your point. We women objectify men too, but in other ways - we objectify your confidence, social status, power, etc etc. So maybe it is unfair for me to say what I'm saying.

[JeromePel]

And you caring about status, confidence and power isn't only something society tells you/us, most female primates or simply social animals would share the feeling. Those are quite often what triggers attraction, you shouldn't be ashamed of it, it's not shallow to care about being attracted, it's a romantic relationship after all.

by the way, not sure what kind of answer you were looking for, but "ranting feminist" is a sure way to slant your answers, it summons a pretty negative picture for most guys even though you seem way too reasonable and calm for that label to apply to you, so you might get answers that don't apply to you, just the way you asked the question.

My new answer: Rants every once in a while are fine (maybe less if it's the first 1-2 times you meet) and as a philosophy enthusiast, I'm def up for healthy debates. It's also fine to stand for what you believe in, obviously, though keep your mind open for feedback as you seem to be doing already.

P. S. How did it go? What did he say? Was it just a rant followed by an awkward goodbye?

[Asker]

He actually has a degree in philosophy, so he loves debating in general. He was throwing some wild facts in my face and I had to concede he was right in some of his points. He was trying to convince me women liking confident men and status is all socialized, and biologically, women are primarily attracted to physique and sexualize men too (that was our main point of disagreement).

Yeah we eventually agreed not to pursue things - he told me I was too young and had my life ahead of me to “figure out all this fun, great stuff” and that I was a kind young lady and very obstinate (“too often girls are too complacent and get exploited as a result”).

Maybe a part of me was a little on edge given his age and felt I needed to be more argumentative to not appear too demure and intimidated by him hahaha.

A part of me regrets dumping my naivety on him, but it was an eye-opening exchange for sure, and will use it in my future dating experiences :)

[MCheetah]

Feminists literally hate all men, infantilize all women, are massively insecure, guaranteed to be talentless and stupid, and literally make the world a worse place to live in with their existence, their spreading of hatred, their spreading of insecurity and paranoia to other insecure women who haven't become indoctrinated by feminism yet, and I literally can't think of more useless women in society than feminists. There ARE men worse than female feminists (like actual incels, and even worse, male feminists), but feminists are the bottom-of-the-barrel when it comes to the female human race.

A ranting woman is annoying no matter what, but feminists are the lowest of the low for women. Literally only one type of people like feminists: other feminists. Especially the estrogen-filled, male-feminist, soy-boy, beta cucks. (I just found it fun to insult them so many times at once.)

[Mr_longLegz]

Define ranting. I have lots of feminist friends who talk about it but they don't rant. I have however met one or two people on dating apps that act like I either needed a ground up education on it or sent 10-12 texts about it at once, even after we have established that I support women and their rights, dont make assumptions about them based on what they do/wear/say.

These people frequently live in po-dunk USA where women saying anything about anything is viewed as crazy and no matter how right or wrong a guy is, for whatever reason, local society sides with them.

Not a turn off but if I need to silence my phone because texts won't stop pouring about things we both know, see or hear, then thats the mood killer.

[AMonthOfAugust]

In America? Yes. Men have our issues 100% but constantly being berated and told we're subhuman is of course not something we find appealing. Especially by people who have just as much freedom as men but say they are being harrowed just by a mans gaze.

In other parts of the world where it's genuinely needed I can tell you that it is incredibly attractive to see women stand up for themselves when they genuinely need it. Any man in the west should be proud to stand with that women and help her gain the rights he has.

[PyrVict]

Absolutely not. It makes for a better relationship.
I wouldn't use the term "ranting" though, as it has an inbuilt assumption of an irrational argument.

If the point is intelligent and backed with a clear, concise argument, then it's very easy to accept - and let's be honest sexism is everywhere...

Women don't seem to realize (think it's societal expectations) that It's actually very attractive if women can give & take criticism, and let you know what's on their mind.

Particularly if they are passionate about the topic they are discussing. Nobody wants a "cardboard" partner & nobody wants an emotional doormat as a partner... unless he has the issues...🤔

[MLawrence]

Depends on what she is saying specifically.
I’ve kinda determined that with young feminists, a lot of the ranting against men stems from a specific or perceived wrong that a man has committed against them.
Combine this with what they learn from history, and it’s easy to see why they filter the entire world and every male action through an antagonistic lens.

This gives the impression that they are bitter and hateful. When in reality all they really want is for Men to be better, trustworthy, and to show them that they care about them.

[guesswhoseback]

Instant dealbreaker for me and the vast majority of guys (both younger and older) unless you are male liberal feminist simp and/or white knight.

However I admit I do have a short term interest in arguing with them. Not loudly or with anger. But I let them speak first and then I’ll ask them several questions. Most of the time they end up digging themselves in a hole and I can show them their hypocrisies.

[MCheetah]

My go-to: "Name me one right men have in the Western world that women do not." When they eventually can't name anything or spout off some "patriarchy" bullsh*t, I'll mention all the legal rights women have that men do not (exempt from Selective Service, the Duluth Model, courtroom beneficial bias, government assistance from domestic abuse, lighter prison sentences, more assistance as the victim of a crime, etc).

[guesswhoseback]

@MCheetah yep. But that all goes in one ear and out the other for them. It’s all about conceit.

With that said I have met a very small minority of women who do LISTEN and acknowledge male problems. They do care. They do know the hypocrisy of feminism is wrong.

I will definitely return the favor and listen/support those women on the struggles they endure. Reason being is they had the respect to hear me out.

They are the exception though. Not the rule unfortunately.

[psychoticanimaIIover]

No one likes a ranter, but I don’t imagine it’s overly attractive when someone has no opinions either. Gotta be a middle ground. Like rant a bit then continue the blowjob.

[worldscolide]

Pretty much. There are a very small number of feminists where i can respect and even be friendly with. But most of the ones you see, at least online and in youtube videos are just beyond insufferable. they are women i would avoid like the black plague. If they are like Cassie Jaye, Or Christina Hoff Somers, Feminists that actually use their brains, then i am perfectly fine with them.

[es20490446e]

Totally.

Also being good isn't a matter of gender, as I wrote at:
Being good is not a matter of gender ↗

[Floppy2112]

Yes, it is a complete turn off. Why would you want to be with someone who hates you by default based on your immutable characteristics? Whatever she says about others, she will eventually say that about you, to the power of 10. Feminists are wholly unattractive.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

I'm sure it's just as unattractive and a turn off to men as ranting MGTOW/Red pill guys are to females.
Anyone that rants/assumes/bashes or has biases against a whole gender is a big turn off in my book...

[boombastik]

Maybe mgtow's should try dating a feminist lol

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@boombastik lolol right they can bash or smash each other all day 🤣

[misanthropistkev]

Honestly my biggest turn off is a woman who cares about how much money I have I have no respect whatsoever for women like that or people like that in general but women especially why can’t they understand that a guy who loves you is more valuable because no matter how poor he is a guy who truly cares for you is gonna do for you always should really read gift of the magi beautiful story

[TayTay21]

Is a ranting men's rights activist a turnoff for most girls? lol I'm pretty sure anyone ranting about the opposite sex is going to look pretty unattractive to them.

[DanaeAdam5]

A feminist isn't a turn off for any guy who doesn't plan on abusing his partner or who isn't insecure.

But any form of ranting is a turn off for everyone.

[_no_one_]

If they are ready to listen and respect my opinion just like i do to their's, i am okay with it. Makes up for good conversations anyways.

[Kaneki05]

Welp yeah ranting is ranting. The feminist part isn't so much the problem here unless there into the scum manifesto and whole different kind of feminists.

[Pyrofox]

For me its like... I'm a dude. And I really don't care about it. So I got better things to do than put up with a girl who's only mindset is feminism and how bad men treat women.

[winterfox10]

It really depends on the individual and what she's saying. There is categorically nothing more offensive than hearing about how oppressed a woman is while she's posting pics in her luxury car and has a great job.

[Orangesareyummy]

Don’t I wish I could afford one of those, let alone both!!!

[winterfox10]

Most of the women I know who have the time to complain about how oppressed they are are also the ones living a hella blessed life.

[Orangesareyummy]

Not sure. That’s new wave feminism I think you’re talking about. I believe in kinder, purer form that inspires love between the sexes. I think love conquers all.

[winterfox10]

Most people agree with first wave feminism, but that’s not the kind of feminist who is going on rants

[hahahmm]

Yes & even the guys who are okay with it tend to be lower quality than the guys who aren't. The ranting feminist doesn't realize that she gets little because she gives little.

[NamerOfStars]

How attractive would YOU find it if a guy was screeching about how your gender was the cause of all evils in the world?

[Asker]

We were arguing both ways about the shallowness of both genders - I was giving arguments against men, he was giving arguments against women.

[NamerOfStars]

Context matters quite a bit; fair point.

[Squishyking]

So it depends if the rant is about proven data or things that are actually a worthy cause or goal to make women more equal then sure but they also have to realize that men have struggles and less equality in places too such as parental custody must of the time. And that if you are ranting about how all men are toxic must likely they will never listen to you.

[JiveTurkeyBae]

a ranting anything is a turn-off. But being passionate something in a measured and balanced way is attractive. Its not so much the nature of your beliefs as the attitude with which you hold those beliefs.

[WesBrewer]

Yeah, it usually is, since a lot of what they say is just anti-male instead of equality.

[VanillaSalt]

Uh a feminists is a turnoff. A ranting persons a turnoff. A ranting feminists might get drowned in the bathtub.

[RolandCuthbert]

Truthfully, I have never met a ranting feminist.

It seems as they are only popular in the fantasies of the average GaGer.

[Orangesareyummy]

Some people on here have called me a feminist just because I don’t agree with them.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Orangesareyummy Oh, I know. Isn't it crazy? Anything outside of their narrow view of the world is a feminazi.

It is just a method for control.

[Orangesareyummy]

I won’t let them control me.

[strawberrylipstick]

no matter what you're talking about , too much ranting about anything can get frustrating XD even if you agree with the point of view

[TOTEMPLASTER]

Duh... Yes, but then a ranting anything is a turn-off for most people, male or female.

[Hermes-Paris]

Most of us, male and female, would rather have the stomach virus...

[argyle]

I figure there's always a good reason for a feminist to rant, so who really gives a fuck if it turns some guys off. That's probably what they're ranting about anyway.

[Andres77]

What? A loud mouthed illogical egotistical asshole hiding behind feminity and being rude because she's a self righteous bitch?
What could be unattractive about that?

[Blindguyplaying]

Anybody overly passionate about ideas other then hobbies is a turn off. However if its someone I've known then I can understand. But if I only meet occasionally you're gonna be insufferable

[DeeDeeDeVour]

If ranting feminists can annoy the hell out of me, I'm pretty sure they're a turn off for most guys.

[godfatherfan]

Yes. Feminazi's are horrible people and I just turn off any caring when they open their ratholes.

[Not_Average]

Very considering most the of the premise surrounding modern day feminism is entirely irrational and based upon victimizing rhetoric.

[Orangesareyummy]

Some bad things happen to women. Bad things happen to men. I think both genders are too quick to forget each person struggles. Life is so hard.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Can you think of any reason at all why someone ranting about an intellectually slavish doctrine would be attractive to anyone?

[iFarted]

Depends on how she words things. If she's talking about things being equal instead of how guys are evil then it's not a turn off. The extreme feminists are the ones that turn me off.

[fallen_wings]

THIS

[Jamie05rhs]

A ranting woman is a turn-off no matter what her beliefs are.

Because we don't want to have to listen to that shit every day for 50 years after we marry you.

[LoveIsFake]

Fuck yess, that's one reason also most guys don't like feminist mainly because we believe y'all don't actually want equall rights as men, but only the good ones that benefit.

[YHL6965]

Feminists are repulsive to me. It's beyond just cringe and unattractiveness, it's straight up repulsion for me. I avoid them because it screams danger to be honest.

[Anonymous]

Isn't it blindly obvious that this is a yes? We find this about as attractive as most of you girls find the MGTOW losers.

Bottom line--KNOW who it is you're trying to attract and don't make your first move to shit on them.

[Anonymous]

A ranting anything is a turn-off for me. Be it a ranting feminist, a ranting anti-feminist, or a ranting Trumper, etc.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

A ranting *anything* is a turn-off, let alone a ranting feminist.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Yes, i am saying this as a feminist. Anyone who rant is turn off. Nothing to do with being feminist.

[magiusX26]

anyone always ranting, feminist or not isn't an issue, is a turn off to me always.

[Orangesareyummy]

Depends if she’s actually a feminist. Some problems transcend gender and race things like that.

[WillFrancis]

I don't know? Does a narcissistic person that talks about themselves constantly annoy you?

[naraku]

Any ranting is a turn off! We all do it here and there but if it's constant, then yes.

[AmeerX]

I don't mind ranting if it is true. But saying all men are pigs is wrong

[Anonymous]

Absol-bleeding-utely, unless the men in question are masochists, no sane man would want to be in a relationship with the likes of Chanty Binx (Big Red)

[adirleeng]

Ya its like loud scary shouting and making me feel bad for not being a girl. I don't talk to those girls cuz they r always mad.

[standardguy]

Yes, it's the same like a nonwhite person saying: I hate all white persons.
A ranting feminist says implicitly "I hate all men"

[Anonymous]

Annoying. Unattractive. Sometimes funny if the thing she is ranting about is very stupid.

[Anonymous]

No more than a ranting sexist guy is a turn-off for most women.

[Anonymous]

Yes, of course.

Feminists in general are cringey and unattractive, but a ranting feminist is the most nauseating of all.

[TheLastLady]

A turn off for guys for sure. An annoyance for normal women too.

[warrenstone]

It’s unbearable. Feminist are female incels. It screams “I CAN’T GET DICK”

[undercover4ever]

I think ranting in general is a turn off but probably yeah

[TheBigGuy9]

Ugh, yeah. Everything they rant about is selfish in nature, made up, etc

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I don't even see how feminism itself is a turn on. Unless he's just a doormat