I don't necessarily believe in the set Alpha, Beta, Gamma descriptions and charts you've got posted, nor do I think these words are set in stone, but I am certainly aware that humans, both male and female, are social animals and as such we operate on subtle awareness of status, hierarchy, power and submission/dominance.
These definitions of Alpha and Beta are simply putting into words and trying to define something that is definitely present: social hierarchy. It's a very real phenomenon and absolutely affects a person's success in life, be that in regards to their career, romance, friendships, or even how they are treated by those they serve or who serve them in our everyday transactions.
These charts and graphs and definitions are put together by people who are trying to make sense of it all, and want to be able to categorize and pigeonhole the various traits and link them to "rewards". It makes it easier to understand, but again, this is just an attempt to explain and define something, and may not be terribly accurate, nor be able to capture subtle nuances of culture or personal dynamics.
This is the same trap that zodiac signs fall into.
It can be fun at parties but if you're the type of person to limit yourself to this, then it is a bit off putting.
The same way zodiac fails to factor in intelligence, this social chart fails to account for nespotism, how some 'alphas' are just born into their status despite their lackluster qualities.
A guy obsessed with status is incapable of both virtue and happiness so brings very little benefit to the health of the relationship. I would never date an alpha male who lives for money, pleasure and sexual gratification since he is indistinguishable from a beaver or a squirrel that does the same thing with wood or acorns.
Human's and their closest ancestors, the chimpanzee, are social and hierarchical animals. There is most definitely an alpha and the reset (beta) however the divisions are not as elaborate as been shown above. The sigma is actually the alpha, he just presents himself otherwise. The proof of this has been shown from various studies where if you study how many male and female ancestors we had, you will find that the median number of times at least once, that a female got to mate and reproduce was 1, while the same for men was 0. That means that while almost every female got to mate, majority of men did not get to mate, or 10-15 % (studies vary) of the men were doing all the mating. Now these men were not chosen repeatedly at random but sat on top of some sort of hierarchy and from what we can observe in chimps, maintained exclusive access to mating rights.
We can see the same behavior today in dating apps where the male perception of women is almost normally distributed whereas the female perception is highly skewed, meaning most men according to men are below average and unattractive.
Nope only fuckwits that need to blame society for them not getting a girl or guy.
it’s an entire load of bollox and for feeble minded people.
easy example, a guy who says he’s an Alpha 🤦😂😂 will likely work for an organisation, he gets told what to do. We had a guy at our company make the mistake of saying he was, I had his new boss, a woman (ex Air Force) basically humiliate him by getting him to get everyone drinks etc.
we forcefully evict anyone from our local or group if anyone comes out with this bollox. luckily most people across this side of the pond know how pathetic it is and how pathetic they sound.
the men associated with top end looks from gold digging hos, yes. and there is SOME truth to some of it. But not exactly how it's often and popularly portrayed. You have Alphas and Betas and perhaps Omegas. The rest fall into the first two categories. People trying to make things so much more complex then they really are.
You have Alphas Beta Alphas Alpha Betas Beta Betas Omegas
and they encompass large groups. and none of them are worth more or less in their intrinsic value as human beings. So these people need to stop putting themselves and others down with this asinine toxicity.
there are clearly alphas and betas and the line between the two is pretty distinct. A guy who endures a woman he's with having children by other men then raising them up when he is fertile himself would be a total beta. A guy who won't defend himself in a physical confrontation in basic self defense is a beta. A man who commands a room, rules with authority, and puts his foot down when needed is an alpha. this is just how it is. doesn't make a beta worthless or lesser actually. On the contrary we can't function without both alpha and beta males in society. too many alphas would just lead to lots of infighting and violence. Too many betas and the women are at risk by outside men harming/raping them, etc. An alpha male needs betas willing to follow as well because we as a species require cohesion to thrive. So no matter if you end up with a alpha or beta be sure to love and appreciate them for who they are, the love they give, and the value they all have.
There is a certain set of traits which are objectively desirable. Anyone with those traits appeals to an overwhelming majority of women. Pursuit of men matching this description manifests in women's reaction to their presence. These patterns are widely replicable even among women who would publicly decry such a notion. I'd say that a recurrent public aversion to the dating hierarchy is not so much evidence of its inaccuracy, but rather a testament to it's validity. You don't fight something you don't believe in. You fight something you're convinced will come to power if you don't stop it.
Uneducated young men who don't know anything about psychology, and are lonely, usually fall for this stuff as a coping mechanism. They place things out of their control, by blaming external or unchangeable circumstances for their failures to attract someone of the opposite sex.
The snake oil salesmen of the pickup artist communities exploit this by telling unconfident men that they can magically make them an alpha male by teaching them the ways.
The other side of the coin is body dysmorphia where they use faux science to explain why their facial features are to blame for their lack of luck in the love department.
Source: I went to the manosphere on Reddit and had conversation with people on there. They banned me eventually, but it was interesting to understand what they were thinking.
one thing is for sure... in the real world and among real men, you will rarely or never hear this kind of bullshit going on, and that's just because it won't really work and it doesn't really apply
these things I only got to hear them when I had too much time to spend online, or on Youtube and other places alike...
when you see someone online, speaking about this BS is just that... an online delusion they need or want to live on... but not, this doesn't belong to real world out there
You don't worry about labels while your old lady is "conversing" with me in the back yard. There is the social convention we all agree on to get along. The one you and so many others only see. Then there is the brutal dark reality, completely free of morality, that underlies everything about existence. The one you studiously ignore.
Have it any way you like bro. If you see it and know how it works, then you see it and know how it works. If you want to play peek a boo and hide and seek, then that's how you roll. You claiming "astrology" reeks of psychological projection defense mechanism. See you "players" on the field. If you even show up. You will figure it out eventually. Or maybe you won't. Like I give a sh*t.
A social hierarchy exist whether we want to acknowledge it or not. Surely humans are much more multi-faceted than a single sentence of description, but alphas and betas do exist. We all know the guy who’s confident, successful, carries a high social status, who girls want and who naturally leads a room. This is an alpha. We all know the guy who is meek, socially awkward, unsuccessful, comes across as creepy to girls and has low social status. That’s a beta. Alphas and betas are simply terms coined to describe a subset of characteristics in people.
I think that there's a little to it. It does not completely define a person, but interprets certain typical patterns of social interaction. To see it as a ''quality rating'' or the one and only factor for ''hierarchy'' is simplification. Most of the time these are people who only watch 'Rambo' or 'Rocky' movies and so of course don't have the mental horizon to fully understand psychological concepts. But those are the ones who babble loudest. I'd say that the majority of men takes notice of the general idea and moves on to having a life.
The only guys I've really heard say stuff like that are guys who are struggling to find a sense of identity. All that said, does it exist in social dynamics? Meh... I think the concept of leaders and followers exists. Alphas and Betas are about leaders and followers, so I guess it exists in an abstract sort of way. I wouldn't call someone a beta for being a follower though... I might call them that for letting people, women especially, push them around. It's really just a question of whether or not you stand up for yourself.
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Really ignorant men do, yeah.
You know how you spread a meme like this? You tell people that if this is true, they are at the top of the chart. That means they become invested in thinking the chart is real.
It's like astrology. If your star sign says you have all these awesome traits, you are more inclined to think there's something to astrology because you benefit if it's true.
Same with rich people and trickle down economics. Same with poor people and conspiracies about how immigrants take their jobs.
Lies will take root if they make the one being told the lie, feel better about themselves.
Honestly it's kinda lame. It makes men sound more like a pack of wolves than human beings. I cringe any time a dude calls himself an 'alpha. Kinda reminds me of furries tbh
What is it about the terms alpha and beta that hurts so many people's butts? They are just terms used to describe traits and behaviors. Why do immature little girls have such a problem with that?
Do you actually believe that dominating and charismatic men who are born leaders don't exist?
Do you actually believe that modest and easy going men don't exist?
Of course they do, so why do you get your little panties in such a wad when people use terms to describe them? It's like having a problem with people using the term "good girl" to describe certain personality types and behaviors, which is just silly. Do good girls not exist? Lol!
Seriously, why does it bother you so much? Can you explain it to us?
I see you're doubling down on your childish "I really just can't think of anything of substance to say in response so I'm going to say you're a bad person because you're anonymous like everyone else on the internet" silliness. Lol
Dude I actually liked your opinion till you called her immature. I think she asked a good question, and if you look at the opinion of other women, they too apparently see this hierarchy as bullshit. So it's not her immaturity. She asked something relevant
@Tstrbrainer There is no question there is a hierarchy of personality types and behaviors among men (and women). Any phycologist will confirm that. Psychologists tend to use different terms to describe them but they ALL acknowledge them. What terms you choose to use to describe them really don't matter.
The problem most people who complain about the whole alpha and beta paradigm have is purely a matter of political correctness, which is just silly and immature in my opinion.
You also need to recognize that QA here has a long history of posting immature silliness. All I did was call her out for that.
I knew a guy once, who would constantly classify the people around him, reaffirming himself, how „alpha“ he was. He came from a semi-dysfunctional family of moderate means and had a massive chip on his shoulder. His „performances“ were cringe worthy. 😵🤮😵💫
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As with many things, people attempt to categorize and map out reality for easier information digestion and retention. But then the description becomes the only mechanism for thinking about a topic, and the description becomes prescriptive -- people start seeing the through this lens instead of raw and unfiltered reality. This is apparent because of the blurring of definitions, it reveals that it's very much arbitrary but people are latching onto it anyway. Step back and reflect on things clearly, don't get sucked into a spreading mindvirus.
Have you ever heard the expression "those that can do, do and those that can't do, teach"? That is the closest I can come to how I feel about those charts and most of the comments. I don't want to start a font war. Just know that you will NEVER classify men like this and have it be accurate.
These types actually do exist. It's just that most men don't really look at themselves in these formats. A lot of betas definitely exist, and a lot of guys who are quick to declare that they're alphas are not really alphas.
Not sure what I fall into, although I feel like I'm probably closer to a sigma (I did watch videos about it some months ago). I am not a beta by any means, but I also do not identify with the machismo of alphas either.
Neither alpha males nor beta male wimps are obsessed with their respective social status -- both groups naturally gravitate to their rightful place in society and in the bedroom. The overwhelming majority of alpha males don't stake their claim to superiority -- the beautiful women they're fucking, and the celibate, subservient beta male wimps proclaim their lofty position. This is my opinion only.
The only one I believe in is the sigma male - if I was you I'd go watch some sigma male memes and get on my sigma grindset asap - Everything else sounds too much like in a little box - If you're charismatic and loud but don't take the leader role then what would you be? - what if you're Introverted and lack motivation to go with your plans but are not a yes man? - I'd trust mbti types more or even better socionics over this..
Just because you hear or read something a lot does not make it true. People tend to surround themselves with an idea or "fact" to the point that they start thinking or beveling its true. Many men have done so and the ones that call themselves alphas and others beta are good examples of this.
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