I don't necessarily believe in the set Alpha, Beta, Gamma descriptions and charts you've got posted, nor do I think these words are set in stone, but I am certainly aware that humans, both male and female, are social animals and as such we operate on subtle awareness of status, hierarchy, power and submission/dominance.
These definitions of Alpha and Beta are simply putting into words and trying to define something that is definitely present: social hierarchy. It's a very real phenomenon and absolutely affects a person's success in life, be that in regards to their career, romance, friendships, or even how they are treated by those they serve or who serve them in our everyday transactions.
These charts and graphs and definitions are put together by people who are trying to make sense of it all, and want to be able to categorize and pigeonhole the various traits and link them to "rewards". It makes it easier to understand, but again, this is just an attempt to explain and define something, and may not be terribly accurate, nor be able to capture subtle nuances of culture or personal dynamics.
This is the same trap that zodiac signs fall into.
It can be fun at parties but if you're the type of person to limit yourself to this, then it is a bit off putting.
The same way zodiac fails to factor in intelligence, this social chart fails to account for nespotism, how some 'alphas' are just born into their status despite their lackluster qualities.
A guy obsessed with status is incapable of both virtue and happiness so brings very little benefit to the health of the relationship. I would never date an alpha male who lives for money, pleasure and sexual gratification since he is indistinguishable from a beaver or a squirrel that does the same thing with wood or acorns.
Human's and their closest ancestors, the chimpanzee, are social and hierarchical animals. There is most definitely an alpha and the reset (beta) however the divisions are not as elaborate as been shown above. The sigma is actually the alpha, he just presents himself otherwise. The proof of this has been shown from various studies where if you study how many male and female ancestors we had, you will find that the median number of times at least once, that a female got to mate and reproduce was 1, while the same for men was 0. That means that while almost every female got to mate, majority of men did not get to mate, or 10-15 % (studies vary) of the men were doing all the mating. Now these men were not chosen repeatedly at random but sat on top of some sort of hierarchy and from what we can observe in chimps, maintained exclusive access to mating rights.
We can see the same behavior today in dating apps where the male perception of women is almost normally distributed whereas the female perception is highly skewed, meaning most men according to men are below average and unattractive.
Nope only fuckwits that need to blame society for them not getting a girl or guy.
it’s an entire load of bollox and for feeble minded people.
easy example, a guy who says he’s an Alpha 🤦😂😂 will likely work for an organisation, he gets told what to do. We had a guy at our company make the mistake of saying he was, I had his new boss, a woman (ex Air Force) basically humiliate him by getting him to get everyone drinks etc.
we forcefully evict anyone from our local or group if anyone comes out with this bollox. luckily most people across this side of the pond know how pathetic it is and how pathetic they sound.
the men associated with top end looks from gold digging hos, yes. and there is SOME truth to some of it. But not exactly how it's often and popularly portrayed. You have Alphas and Betas and perhaps Omegas. The rest fall into the first two categories. People trying to make things so much more complex then they really are.
You have Alphas Beta Alphas Alpha Betas Beta Betas Omegas
and they encompass large groups. and none of them are worth more or less in their intrinsic value as human beings. So these people need to stop putting themselves and others down with this asinine toxicity.
there are clearly alphas and betas and the line between the two is pretty distinct. A guy who endures a woman he's with having children by other men then raising them up when he is fertile himself would be a total beta. A guy who won't defend himself in a physical confrontation in basic self defense is a beta. A man who commands a room, rules with authority, and puts his foot down when needed is an alpha. this is just how it is. doesn't make a beta worthless or lesser actually. On the contrary we can't function without both alpha and beta males in society. too many alphas would just lead to lots of infighting and violence. Too many betas and the women are at risk by outside men harming/raping them, etc. An alpha male needs betas willing to follow as well because we as a species require cohesion to thrive. So no matter if you end up with a alpha or beta be sure to love and appreciate them for who they are, the love they give, and the value they all have.
There is a certain set of traits which are objectively desirable. Anyone with those traits appeals to an overwhelming majority of women. Pursuit of men matching this description manifests in women's reaction to their presence. These patterns are widely replicable even among women who would publicly decry such a notion. I'd say that a recurrent public aversion to the dating hierarchy is not so much evidence of its inaccuracy, but rather a testament to it's validity. You don't fight something you don't believe in. You fight something you're convinced will come to power if you don't stop it.
Uneducated young men who don't know anything about psychology, and are lonely, usually fall for this stuff as a coping mechanism. They place things out of their control, by blaming external or unchangeable circumstances for their failures to attract someone of the opposite sex.
The snake oil salesmen of the pickup artist communities exploit this by telling unconfident men that they can magically make them an alpha male by teaching them the ways.
The other side of the coin is body dysmorphia where they use faux science to explain why their facial features are to blame for their lack of luck in the love department.
Source: I went to the manosphere on Reddit and had conversation with people on there. They banned me eventually, but it was interesting to understand what they were thinking.
one thing is for sure... in the real world and among real men, you will rarely or never hear this kind of bullshit going on, and that's just because it won't really work and it doesn't really apply
these things I only got to hear them when I had too much time to spend online, or on Youtube and other places alike...
when you see someone online, speaking about this BS is just that... an online delusion they need or want to live on... but not, this doesn't belong to real world out there
You don't worry about labels while your old lady is "conversing" with me in the back yard. There is the social convention we all agree on to get along. The one you and so many others only see. Then there is the brutal dark reality, completely free of morality, that underlies everything about existence. The one you studiously ignore.
Have it any way you like bro. If you see it and know how it works, then you see it and know how it works. If you want to play peek a boo and hide and seek, then that's how you roll. You claiming "astrology" reeks of psychological projection defense mechanism. See you "players" on the field. If you even show up. You will figure it out eventually. Or maybe you won't. Like I give a sh*t.
A social hierarchy exist whether we want to acknowledge it or not. Surely humans are much more multi-faceted than a single sentence of description, but alphas and betas do exist. We all know the guy who’s confident, successful, carries a high social status, who girls want and who naturally leads a room. This is an alpha. We all know the guy who is meek, socially awkward, unsuccessful, comes across as creepy to girls and has low social status. That’s a beta. Alphas and betas are simply terms coined to describe a subset of characteristics in people.
I think that there's a little to it. It does not completely define a person, but interprets certain typical patterns of social interaction. To see it as a ''quality rating'' or the one and only factor for ''hierarchy'' is simplification. Most of the time these are people who only watch 'Rambo' or 'Rocky' movies and so of course don't have the mental horizon to fully understand psychological concepts. But those are the ones who babble loudest. I'd say that the majority of men takes notice of the general idea and moves on to having a life.
The only guys I've really heard say stuff like that are guys who are struggling to find a sense of identity. All that said, does it exist in social dynamics? Meh... I think the concept of leaders and followers exists. Alphas and Betas are about leaders and followers, so I guess it exists in an abstract sort of way. I wouldn't call someone a beta for being a follower though... I might call them that for letting people, women especially, push them around. It's really just a question of whether or not you stand up for yourself.
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Really ignorant men do, yeah.
You know how you spread a meme like this? You tell people that if this is true, they are at the top of the chart. That means they become invested in thinking the chart is real.
It's like astrology. If your star sign says you have all these awesome traits, you are more inclined to think there's something to astrology because you benefit if it's true.
Same with rich people and trickle down economics. Same with poor people and conspiracies about how immigrants take their jobs.
Lies will take root if they make the one being told the lie, feel better about themselves.
Honestly it's kinda lame. It makes men sound more like a pack of wolves than human beings. I cringe any time a dude calls himself an 'alpha. Kinda reminds me of furries tbh
What is it about the terms alpha and beta that hurts so many people's butts? They are just terms used to describe traits and behaviors. Why do immature little girls have such a problem with that?
Do you actually believe that dominating and charismatic men who are born leaders don't exist?
Do you actually believe that modest and easy going men don't exist?
Of course they do, so why do you get your little panties in such a wad when people use terms to describe them? It's like having a problem with people using the term "good girl" to describe certain personality types and behaviors, which is just silly. Do good girls not exist? Lol!
Seriously, why does it bother you so much? Can you explain it to us?
I see you're doubling down on your childish "I really just can't think of anything of substance to say in response so I'm going to say you're a bad person because you're anonymous like everyone else on the internet" silliness. Lol
Dude I actually liked your opinion till you called her immature. I think she asked a good question, and if you look at the opinion of other women, they too apparently see this hierarchy as bullshit. So it's not her immaturity. She asked something relevant
@Tstrbrainer There is no question there is a hierarchy of personality types and behaviors among men (and women). Any phycologist will confirm that. Psychologists tend to use different terms to describe them but they ALL acknowledge them. What terms you choose to use to describe them really don't matter.
The problem most people who complain about the whole alpha and beta paradigm have is purely a matter of political correctness, which is just silly and immature in my opinion.
You also need to recognize that QA here has a long history of posting immature silliness. All I did was call her out for that.
These types actually do exist. It's just that most men don't really look at themselves in these formats. A lot of betas definitely exist, and a lot of guys who are quick to declare that they're alphas are not really alphas.
Not sure what I fall into, although I feel like I'm probably closer to a sigma (I did watch videos about it some months ago). I am not a beta by any means, but I also do not identify with the machismo of alphas either.
I knew a guy once, who would constantly classify the people around him, reaffirming himself, how „alpha“ he was. He came from a semi-dysfunctional family of moderate means and had a massive chip on his shoulder. His „performances“ were cringe worthy. 😵🤮😵💫
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As with many things, people attempt to categorize and map out reality for easier information digestion and retention. But then the description becomes the only mechanism for thinking about a topic, and the description becomes prescriptive -- people start seeing the through this lens instead of raw and unfiltered reality. This is apparent because of the blurring of definitions, it reveals that it's very much arbitrary but people are latching onto it anyway. Step back and reflect on things clearly, don't get sucked into a spreading mindvirus.
Have you ever heard the expression "those that can do, do and those that can't do, teach"? That is the closest I can come to how I feel about those charts and most of the comments. I don't want to start a font war. Just know that you will NEVER classify men like this and have it be accurate.
Neither alpha males nor beta male wimps are obsessed with their respective social status -- both groups naturally gravitate to their rightful place in society and in the bedroom. The overwhelming majority of alpha males don't stake their claim to superiority -- the beautiful women they're fucking, and the celibate, subservient beta male wimps proclaim their lofty position. This is my opinion only.
The only one I believe in is the sigma male - if I was you I'd go watch some sigma male memes and get on my sigma grindset asap - Everything else sounds too much like in a little box - If you're charismatic and loud but don't take the leader role then what would you be? - what if you're Introverted and lack motivation to go with your plans but are not a yes man? - I'd trust mbti types more or even better socionics over this..
Just because you hear or read something a lot does not make it true. People tend to surround themselves with an idea or "fact" to the point that they start thinking or beveling its true. Many men have done so and the ones that call themselves alphas and others beta are good examples of this.
The list seems contrived to me. The "alpha" is supposed to be an analogue of the alpha wolf, but what is widely considered "alpha" for a guy is a far cry from the alpha wolf. I don't know, really, it's like I'm reading the horoscope or something. Don't see any reason to take it seriously.
obviously that is why women get cheated often alpha men are just minority , those men have all qualities and get all the ladies beta men is majority , they have no ball to approach women , and prefer to wank to internet porn forever , because it is much easier
But then most men I've met who call themselves "alphas" are alphas of asshole land. There's a number of alphas of asshole land on GAG. And that *is* what they are, assholes. Jerks. Losers.
They are not real alpha men but inferior little boys who think by acting like assholes, jerks, losers, social rejects, etc. they are important. They are... to sluts & whores that can't get better. To the rest of society, they're a joke.
i think it’s incredibly stupid and just leads to the disrespect of especially women as well as other men around them to seem cool. definitely some teenage boy stuff i hope they grow out of.
Not even a little bit. Some people just take advantage of emotionally weak people to manipulate and earn money from them. These are just like horoscopes. They claim that these group of people are the same but they are not. In short, i think that these affect more adolescences than the adults.
You could say there are different alphas in different fields. CEO’s, military commanders, leaders, high-level sports stars and gamers, and anyone who holds a significant level of clout or measurable competency relative to others in a group setting would be considered an alpha.
nah that shit does not exist. Men that're insecure say that to make girls believe that theyre the strongest and most desirable, in most cases, they're not.
You'll know they believe it when they start acting douchey like trying to vie for someones attention. But to others it looks like they are compensating or feeling threatened.
I had only ever heard of Alpha, which I believe exists... this guys Who cannot be behind anyone when driving, have to be the loudest, be the strongest and the best. If they are not the best then there is an excuse.
You say that as if they don't exist... If a man is a wimp who gives into fear like a coward.. he's obviously a beta male And a man who is brave and overcomes fear is a alpha, this is jus clear facts... If you disagree you are jus encouraging men to be girly wussies
Actually I'm pretty smart I have 129 iq, you probably have 100... Trust me it exists. Maybe not to you cos you can label what you want or believe what you want. But there definitely exists either strong brave men or weak cowards men... And I label the cowards beta and the brave alpha... Deny these labels all you want but they exists, if you disagree you might as well say the sky is green
I don't understand why you woman are trying to make the soy boy fairy boys feel comfortable with how they are. You're trying to make weak men feel comfortable with being wimps and not being brave by erasing these words... Why do you want all men to be feminine like you girls? You want us to all be gay? Well deny these labels all you want but I'm still gonna call weak guys betas.. because I want my soldiers to be strong and I encourage men to be brave and masculine.. not soy boy beta males... You woman can try to erase these words all you want but IL always use them and you can not stop me hahahha. So long for your dreams of having the world full of girly soyboy fairyboy gaylords wahahha
I was going to make a long reply until I noticed you are 15 years old. Come back in 10 or so more years after you have had a chance to see men in action. Honestly, I wish you well going forward. Find some friends that are not toxic and really get to know a guy and stop trying to classify them. Just about every relationship I know of flew apart because of toxic situations in some cases set up by toxic friends. This is NOT a battle of the sexes thing either. Men have just as many toxic friends as woman do!
No I have met maybe two or three guys that think they are Alpha everything and I has not met one that was so funny make me bust up laughing because they weren't even anywhere close to being Common since smart
Only the total knobheads that need to feel some kind of value to their lives use this kind of terminology. Actual real men in the real world don't feel the need to classify themselves.
Sure it's more real than religion and billions of people believe that
See I'm a sigma or at least have been in the past but like all self-employed/ business people we are too busy to spare the time for something as trivial as dating with it's high failure rate and low cost/reward ratio
Honestly, i never think about it. However, there's done truth to it. There's are definitely different personality types that place us in different positions in life.
TBH I don't think these are terrible descriptors. These types do ring a bell. But I wouldn't call them "scientific".
I think the gamma and beta could maybe be collapsed into one type. I dunno, I had only heard of the "alpha" and "beta" previously.
Alpha is definitely a thing. Like Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Or Eric Cantona. But at the end of the day, these are just labels, an attempt to make sense of a complex reality.
Some do. It’s complete bullshit. Humans pair bond so there are no alphas. If there are alphas it’s not the men who imagine they are alpha. It’s guys like Bezos and Musk.
Only the insecure and/or dumb ones. It's a great way for a guy to let you know he's an idiot. 🙂
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Pretty sure sigma is just satire of the idea of alphas, depicting them as the same but sigmas are wayyy more over the top for comedic purposes.
I think there is some truth to this alpha/beta coin but I think the only difference is how much they are willing to not let others, typically women in this context, walk all over them.
It’s a gross exaggeration. While there is an element of truth in this (and I used to subscribe to all of this) over the years I’ve found it’s just labeling used to bully people
I believe it. Seen it everywhere I've gone. It's not anything that a guy chooses, but somehow it's either a genetic trait or a conditioning.
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That's true and proven by women as well tic toc exposed everything women say if you have good D then you have the control sir. The cock carousel is real and bad boys are true too women likes them till they hit the wall then once they can't have them they go for beta. I have seen myself a young beautiful girl crying for her criminal baby daddy and visit him at the jail and pay for his shit. Have you seen how many girls said the guy and the date were perfect but blocked him ! Take a look on tic toc.
Women think they're the table and the hole they have worth men Time and attention and resources no babe that hole can be purchased at the market. Women should learn and have respect and be polite too also they should know high body counts and the healing phase give them whore aura that's true it have impact and consequences but as they run by emotions they ruin things
It just makes it easier to read and predict people that believe in it since they tends to change themselves to fit in tho the group they think they belong to.
I do understand those who believes in those just like people who believes in races to classify people for short but the thing with different kinds of men, anyone can have their own beliefs on which one should be which.
If they do then that tells you just exactly how much they are drawn in by the rules of society. Which is cool , do you. But most women definitely believe in them so most men just follow along like soldier ants to a queen.. lmao it is truly something
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