I'll date again when there's a better selection of quality MEN?

[cth2188]

Define masculinity? I'll consider dating again when there's a better quality of MEN who actually respects women 💯. Women respect men who are in their masculinity and can step up to the plate. The problem - not enough men and too many males expecting women to settle for the bare minimum they call effort. Not including the emotional/ mental garbage their bringing into women spaces [ I call it toxic masculinity] lack of accountability and responsibility for their behaviors , actions, attitude, etc.. I've seen enough out here to know what is toxic and undeemed healthy as a woman with morals, standards, etc... only women with low self-esteem will tolerate abuse.

Why is it when women like me put our foots down the gripping and disappointments begin with men and these titles ( misandrist etc ) no I don't hate men just not going to tolerate bs or disrespect. Do I believe good men exist - far few in between - but I have my views of what masculinity looks like.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Could we have some concrete examples (not just "not stepping up to the plate") so we can see where our brethren have failed?

When you say " lack of accountability and responsibility for their behaviors"... we understand what that means in theory, but how has that manifested in the men you've witnessed? They didn't pay child support to their baby's mama? They got their car repossessed? While I see how those two could be lumped together, I think there are different issues going on there (mentally), and I was curious what you've experienced/seen.

[cth2188]

I'm not talking about baby mama culture- I've seen some emotional/ mental issues with men ! No thanks

[BoopBoopBeep]

Interesting. I called that one wrong I see. Any chance you'd care to share some of the emotional/mental issues you've encountered? Don't want to be guilty of doing the same thing myself ;)

[cth2188]

I just did - lots of people are coming with unresolved traumas and past relationship experiences there dumping on women / men.. theraphy is definitely needed before folks started dating

[cth2188]

I don't need anyone's 🗑

[BoopBoopBeep]

Hmmm. I seem to be failing to communicate what I was looking for.

"this one time on a first date the man started crying because a woman at another table looked like his ex, who he clearly is not over"

"my last date we talked about nothing but how horrible his ex was. Everytime I changed the subject he found a way to bring it back around to the same topic again"

"we went to dinner at a restaurant and the guy i was with ran his hand across the lower back of the waitress while ordering"

I'd say those would be concrete. "Dumping on women" isn't.

Nobody's got trauma if they haven't been to war or seen a loved one die or something of the likes. "Daddy didn't stick around" isn't trauma, it's a fact of life for much of the world. People who are claiming their ex wife cheated on them don't have trauma to deal with, they just need to grow the F up.

[cth2188]

Emptional baggage, mother wounds , etc I've met men can't stay away from their parents at certain ages.. seek this in women they date atp I rather get a girlfriend

[BoopBoopBeep]

Interesting. Men that are still living with their parents? or just... talk to them, and you don't agree with that?

they're seeking this in women they date... they're seeking women who can't stay away from their parents?

[cth2188]

Yes, mama boys living with their parents and can't be men

[cth2188]

Too many boys not enough MEN at some point we have to grow up

[cth2188]

Nothing wrong with a man communicating with his parents, but some men are seeking replacement mothers in women can't grow up and be men

[cth2188]

I've been on my own since I was 17

[cth2188]

We have to be independent at some point and not codependent

[BoopBoopBeep]

Wow. I can't imagine living with my mom after 18 unless she was invalid or something, God forbid. I hear/read about this happening. I don't know anyone that's done it though. All of us couldn't wait to get our own place.

[EaterPeter]

Which means never? Train one. Select a person, have healthy boundaries for yourself and him and you may be on right track 👣 add structured premarital counseling or start with eharmony or like wise websites

[cth2188]

Nah it's too much stress to date nowadays in this current climate

[EaterPeter]

All righty take care

[cth2188]

Rather be alone and stay single if a man ain't bringing me peace why is he in my life?

[DaySpring]

You'll find him. Stay focused on him and not the men that frustrate you. For the sake of your peace of mind control your attention. It'll all be worth it.

[cth2188]

No 👎 it's a jungle out here noone has tike for that

[cth2188]

Time ^

[cth2188]

I choose me now

[spartan55]

And for the last 15 years.

[cth2188]

Solo and hidden

[spartan55]

Couldn't have anything to do with the fuckheads you choose, right?

[cth2188]

Fuckheads? I haven't been in the dating world in over 15 years so who am I choosing - noone / choosing noone is better than settling

[spartan55]

Sounds like you have issues beyond the scope of this forum. You can't seriously say you haven't found any good men in fifteen years.

[cth2188]

I haven't been looking as I stopped dating 15 years ago but after seeing the dating world of today I pass

[inhua]

yeah no, toxic masculinity is the belief men can't be victims and are always oppressors

[cth2188]

Pretty much sums up what I said

[BoobMan]

Good to know! We'll let the dating market know.

[AaronKrieger]

Alright👍, best of luck.

[ImalwaysrightOK]

OK way to take no accountability 😂😂

[cth2188]

Can't take none when I have limited experiences in the 1st place

[MementoMori777]

😦😦😦