Guys, What does the saying "nice guys finish last" mean?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

It is a saying that I believe has been around for several generations but applied in a romantic sense it means that a genuinely nice guy who is kind, caring, friendly, thinks of others, more agreeable, etc. has a harder time finding a relationship or love then a guy who is more assertive, confident, more self centered, etc. No to say that these behaviors don't overlap for instance I've seen guys confident and assertive in their job abilities so always can ask for promotions, raises or favors at work at perfect times no trouble yet can't apply that mindset to dating. Then on the flip side I've seen guys confident and collected that assert themselves in dating a get all kinds of high quality ladies but in their job or work can't apply those attitudes and are stuck in a singular mindset when it comes to advancing themselves in their career.

Those are just examples and of course I have seen cases where a nice agreeable guy in dating is that way at work and a confident assertive guy is that way at his work. Also, confident/assertive guys can be kind and nice too but to the people that matter to them the most. And vice versa some nice guys are self centered in what really matters to them like work example.

I would say that the phrase also touches on women who are constantly on the lookout for a serious boyfriend, marriage or a lifelong partner who only wants them and you might hear them frequently ask or post "where are all the nice/good men?" "does chivalry exist anymore?" "I will never settle!" etc.

See the reason the phrase nice guys finish last occurs is when guys start out dating many are nice guys and there are those that aren't. On average through experience or lack of romantic prospects many of these truly nice guys undergo changes ditching qualities or traits that made them nice some learn the right lessons and as a result get with their partner who they are still with, others the wrong and will go from chick to chick not really thinking or caring how she feels and then the nice guys who are left who have it ingrained into their personalities who have trouble or can't really mold those assertive traits into their behaviors are the ones who get romantic or partnerships that last well last compared to others hence the term nice guys finish last.

Because they are this way they either have to get lucky and meet a woman that sees them for their positive, nice and sweet qualities or a woman who is getting older and is just now figuring out those qualities she chased in men in her younger years weren't anything that would last. It truly is a sad and unfortunate cycle but some nice guys choose to not give up, smile, don't lose heart and keep looking to find their special someone trust me I know.

[Asker]

So you're a nice guy who's single?

[Billlewis]

Exactly. Women want to have sex with a hunter, not a gatherer.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes I considered myself one and yes I am single.

[Asker]

Why are you anonymous? Are you afraid to admit you're a nice guy?

[Opinion Owner]

I wouldn't say I am afraid to admit it just for certain topics I tend to lean on being anonymous similar to how you are. Why do you ask? I think there has also been a trend of people misconstruing the term nice guy on the internet and real life. I'm not perfect I have faults and people have different opinions and perspectives but upon reflection I do consider myself a nice guy genuinely.

[Asker]

It would be nice to put a face on this nice guy.

[Opinion Owner]

Is that right? Well it would be nice to put a face to you too I believe!

[Opinion Owner]

I could make another profile but what is a public post of yours I could find so I could message? If you are willing to share that information.

[Asker]

Prettycrumblbb

[Opinion Owner]

Okay message sent if you didn't get anything let me know.

[Asker]

I got it

[hahahmm]

Although it means the nice guy does not win the race... it also means that he wins something but he gets it later. So if we think of a foot race that only has 3 runners, the last guy to cross the finish line gets a trophy. His trophy is just not as valuable as the trophy the first guy got.

The other thing to understand is that most guys do not want to be thought of as "nice" once they know that a woman calling him nice is not really a compliment. Often what she means is that he's easy to manipulate but a good provider/useful to server her needs. So maybe she uses him to get her car fixed or to have a home to live in while she's banging all the guys at the biker bar down the street.

Also one guy's concept of "finishing last" isn't necessarily the next guy's. A guy could be perfectly happy with his family situation while another guy thinks he "finished last". Lot of variables.

[Asker]

And is the trophy the woman?

[hahahmm]

Yeah. That and may include family situation if she has kids by another man. It's not just about looks.. it's also body count/baggage. a lot of women get mentally messed up by having lots of partners. So a woman with a body count of 1 is worth way, way, way more than a woman with a body count of 20, 50, 100, 300 and so on. At the end of the day tho... women tend to decrease in value over time while guys increase. Some women start out higher value than others tho so mileage varies some.

[Asker]

Wow that's how you view human beings? So weird. I'm a virgin and I see you as a loser.

[hahahmm]

It's called "sexual market place value" - look it up. It's just reality. It's the same reason why most women will not take a guy seriously when he's 21 but (if he bothered to improve his life) they would when he's 30. Don't get mad at me. Get mad at human nature.

[Asker]

Don't get mad at me for thinking you're a loser bruh 😂😂😂

[hahahmm]

You're projecting your feelings onto me. I'm indifferent to your opinions.

[Asker]

Nah dude u accused me of being mad first stop being a hypocrite. I don't care what you think. You're a stranger.

[aceleon]

if you are the nice guy to a girl, you will be friendzoned, she will fuck the real guys and will cry in your shoulders when they dump the bitch, you are an emotional pillow or a bank account if you are on the idiotic side of things (which almost every nice guys are idiots) she will spend her young years fucking around and when her beauty starts to fade or she got pregnant she will settle for you, this is what the saying ''nice guys finishes lasts'' you are the last option for girls, something they settle out of desperation.

[MysticDevice]

It means nice guys are patient and take their time around women.

While douche bags are direct and bold. The women usually end up with the douche bag because they confused arrogance with confidence.

So now the woman gets heartbroken when the douche bag turns out to be a douche bag, dumps him, and decides not to date again for fear of getting another douche bag.

Meanwhile the nice guy who would have treated her wonderfully and made her feel special loses out on the chance because the woman's faith in men has been shattered.

[DextroShade]

It reflects the obvious reality that modern women reward bad behavior from men and punish good behavior. They will go on a date with a nice guy, complain about Chad their abusive asshole ex the whole dinner, friend-zone the nice guy after he pays, and then go get fucked by Chad. 1 in 3 men are virgins while convicted serial killers are flooded with love letters and nudes from women. The saying is a warning to men that modern women will not reward them for being nice, and for that they don't deserve nice treatment.

[Billlewis]

Nice guys like me are generally more concerned with placing the woman on a pedestal, and worshipping the ground she walks on, to the extent that we're almost never allowed to intercourse with any of the women for whom we simp, grovel and humble ourselves to. We provide a very convenient function within the context of the woman's social life, but she views us as insufficiently masculine to ever let us have any physical intimacy with her, which for many of us, is perfectly fine.

[Asker]

Only worship God. Don't worship people.

[SotiCoto]

It is a disdainful dismissal of Anti-PvP sentiment.
It basically means "if you don't compete, you lose by default"... which is quite simply wrong as there are other ways to achieve success that don't involve getting into inane pissing matches with people.

[DarkWinterNights]

It refers to guys will finally get the attention from the girl they’ve been “nice guy’ing” but only after putting in twice the effort for half the result as other guys. Typically they’re the last resort for older women who don’t want to end up alone. But she’ll never respect him and is more likely to cheat on him.

[Jersey2]

The bottom line is that there are a lot of sh! tty people out there who will lie, connive and cheat to get ahead and it works… at least for a while.

The nice guy, the good guy the honest guy does not win in many situations because someone has stolen the win.

His only way of winning is if enough good people, including those who climbed the ladder already, see him for what he is and see the others for what they are.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Exactly what it says, it's basically saying gentlemen finish last, most women aren't attracted to gentlemen, they prefer the aggression over gentleness, which is sad but true.

[Asker]

I prefer gentleman. Aggressive guys are af.

[ChicoFromThe305]

That's what most women say, but are attracted to the opposite of what they say, if you actually are attracted to gentlemen then you are part of the minority of women that do.

[Asker]

This is Crumbl. Yeah I don't like aggressive men. They're just repulsive to me.
So all these women that are in relationships are with aggressive men?

[ChicoFromThe305]

I don't know I'm not a genie lol but I believe it from you crumble that you like gentlemen, I thought you were someone else, you've shown signs that you do prefer gentlemen.

[Asker]

What signs?

[ChicoFromThe305]

Well did you forget I know a bunch of the guys that have scared you off, some were aggressive in their own ways lol

[Asker]

Yeah 😂

[ThatOneGuy247]

It means that nice guys are the least attractive to women out of the 4 types of guys. So nice guys usually get into a relationship last. They don't usually enjoy their choice of women.

[Asker]

Their choice of women being?

[ThatOneGuy247]

All types usually the women who are the most physically attractive, feminine women for the most polarity, beta, a girl who can do the 10 pillars etc etc

[Asker]

So they hate those women?

[ThatOneGuy247]

No they should lead them fearlessly love them fully, adore them and be in true love with them

[Asker]

Oh u said they usually don't enjoy their choice of women.

[ThatOneGuy247]

Nice guys don't. But alpha, masculine man, good guy with edge will. Oops. I went cross eyed

[ThatOneGuy247]

Nice guys will just usually be angry at the world because nice isn't really being nice because they do things like expect niceness back which is manipulative

[Asker]

So ur saying nice guys hate all women and bad boy love all women?

[ThatOneGuy247]

I wouldn't say all nice guys hate women. That's too extreme. I think some of them have incorrect expectations of what woman want and they are mislead by societal lies. Lots of things about women are paradoxically true.

Bad boys aren't a healthy option. They are attractive but are beaten by good guys with edge which is 1 component of a real man. A real man is better than a bad boy. Good guys with edge are attractive to most women excluding lesbians, asexual women. etc

[Asker]

And what kind of guy are you?

[ThatOneGuy247]

Just an average man. I do okay. 😁 Shhhhhhh... That's for me to know and you to NEVER find out hahaha. I'm high maintenance anyways hahaha

[Asker]

Oh ur gay?

[ThatOneGuy247]

Hahaha. Very happy. Thanks for asking. I love it when a girl is caring. 👍

[Asker]

No, I meant are you homosexual?

[ThatOneGuy247]

No. I'm heterosexual. It was a reframe because I thought you were doing the first test of strength for respect and sexual attraction. The high maintenance comment was the personality trait - unpredictable. Hahaha

[Asker]

"first test of strength for respect and sexual attraction"
What?

[ThatOneGuy247]

That's a story for another time...

[Asker]

I don't no what that means

[OlderAndWiser]

I think it means that if you have sex with a nice guy, you'll have an orgasm before he does.

:) :) :)

[genericname85]

it means "nice guys" will stay single till they learn that "being nice" doesn't get you a girlfriend.

[LiamJHayden]

Nice guys tend to be less aggressive, and thus fail to win.

[Asker]

So all these guys I see on the street with gfs are aggressive?

[bzguy]

For at least 20o r 30 years now it has meant at least in one context than nice guys wait for women to have an orgasm before they cum and get soft and disinterested.

[Anonymous]

It means if you're a nice guy better dive deep into hobbies because a relationship with a woman is off the menu.🤣

[Anonymous]

Being a nice guy is pretty much interchangeable with being a simp. Girls don’t want guys that will do anything in the world to gain her approval.

[Anonymous]

It means nice guys are too easy to take advantage of.

[Anonymous]

It means that he will finish after you. If he is truly a nice guy.

[AviatorTom]

I wouldn't know, I've never finished last.