Would young Arnold Schwarzenegger be more successful if he was properly diagnosed with body dysmorphia and given antidepressants instead of steroids?

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

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This question was inspired by a moderator janny who removes any opinion that suggest that antidepressants have side effect. Time and time again. Of fucking course this question is mockery, steroids are far safer than antidepressants and lead to better a better career. This janny also removes anything remotely fat phobic, @D_Bone_Steak knows.

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I meant obese people taking a antidepressants - these drugs make you even fatter. First of all not all "steroids" are equal, like we don't demonize vitamin D supplementation for it being a steroid. The ones that kill your heart in no time like clenbuterol, are well known to be harmful and everyone nowadays avoids it. Using safer ones to get rid of excess fat will increase your lifespan. I'm not saying use them to become so lean, below 3% body fat, where the leanness kills you, not the steroid.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Yup. Hard work and cold hard work can make a change both with depression as well as muscle development. Drugs can help... but drugs can also be abused. Arnald there... worked his ass off, and then as he admitted... he'd do a little Dianabol before shows.

There is use and abuse when it comes to anything like drugs. Use, gives you the edge but abuse will eventually have detrimental effects.

There is a deeper side to this subject I'd like to go on about antidepressant abuse and how it is actually pushed by the people they pay to prescribe it to them. But... alas... I am abusing alcohol tonight and my brain is getting lazy. I would like to say before I bounce... just like there is no reason to inject steroids every day for years and do no work at all... someone that just takes pills for their depression and are not trying to fix it outside of that... how many more years?

I mean a steroid injecter might get a little something from constant use, but the dude needs to hit those weights for the real results to shine through. Otherwise, his balls are shrinking, he's going bald, and all the other shit like heart problems with no real results. Same with the depressed guy who just takes his forget-everything pills... he'll get the side effects, but he's not putting in work on his mental just like a bodybuilder would have to put work in on their physical.

Nuff said... time for me to get drunk, wake up, and lift some weights tomorrow.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

My point which jannies hate is that antidepressants elevate prolactin which destroys your natural testosterone and growth hormone activity, therefore make people fat, but all these obese people with body dysmorphia are prescribed antidepressants which make them even fatter.

[D_Bone_Steak]

That's a good point too. I just watched a youtube video not too long ago that argued that antidepressants are making a lot of men grow big areolas and some even end up squirting milk like a post-pregnant woman.

These jannies are just pissed off that you happen to be talking about them. They read that... realize it's probably them... they don't want to hear it or even consider it... and then they respond.

Just like anyone with a drug/alcohol problem being told their substance of choice isn't really good for them... you'll get the brunt of their defense mechanisms because they simply want to defend their bad habit.

[Hulk_kitty]

Steriods certainly played a role to helping achieve his great body, but without hard work, and great self belief, there is no way he would of win all those championships.

Plus he had a lot of help from Joe weider who sponsored him into america. I think 50% of his success came from a lot of help from the right people.

There is no way you can reach to the top, without the help of others. You cannot achieve great success on your own.

You have to put the hard work and displine in to achieve your dreams, but also need to form the right connections along the way towards goals.

The saying goes, it's not what you know, it's who you know this world, and sometimes success you need a bit of luck.

[Hulk_kitty]

It the same as Mike Tyson, if cus d'amato had not decided to take on the task of train Mike and treating him like a son. There is no way mike tyson would be famous to this day. He would of probably been in prison. Cus was the cause of Mike tyson's success.

[Hulk_kitty]

steriods are not safer to take than antidepressants, they cause kidney problems, heart problems.
So many atheletes are having heart attacks due to the use of steriods.
I would rather take antidressants than steriods, yes antidressants have side effects, but all medications has side effects, just cause its comes from your doctor, doesn't mean it is safe.
Medical drugs, or street drugs, its all the same thing.
Plus you are wrong, steriods doesn't guarantee you any form of huge success in sports. Many factors play in the role of making it big in any industry.

[Hulk_kitty]

10,000 people could use steriods to become a world champion bodybuilder champion, only 2 out that 10,000 will become world champions.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

"Steroids" is very vague. You can't throw something like clenbuterol (mainly used for cutting) which is a heart destroyer, with something as well tolerated as anavar or even very mild DHEA which I guess we can qualify as a OTC "steroid".

You know how longevity and all cause mortality rate is directly proportional to physical fitness, except for the exceptions? Remember how antidepressants cause sexual dysfunction, high prolactin, and extremely often suicidality (yes, suicidality as a result of de-depriossioning, some universities published the data.)

Steroids are not dangerous when done responsibly.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

De-depressioning* I mean the removal of depression results in what? Imagine your mood is good all the time? Now what? It does NOT solve the root cause of being sad, which has 99% of the time to do with your circumstances. Imagine if everything in the world is bad but you take drugs that eliminate the feeling of worry? Yeah... that, I don't doubt to cause suicidality. Because you still need to escape the shitty circumstances. Explained in detailed by many doctors such as dr. Andrew Kaufmann.

And the "steroid" hysteria is silly. They also curse cholesterol and foods that contain it... even though these foods like eggs and dairy are some of the most essential-nutrient dense foods in the world. And, every cell in our body contains cholesterol... you know... cholesterol is also a type of steroid...

[Hulk_kitty]

Interesting, but you say antidepressant are more dangerous, so what is the answer for people, who have depression, and are feeling suicidal. its not just case of feeling sad.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

All cases are different. For the most part good therapy. Actually solving the crisis in their life. Nutrition and lifestyle, exercise, biohacks... all of this should work for most.

Herbal drugs and synthetic drugs both are powerful and can have side effects and of course some individuals may find it to be the only way.

A good portion of people with actual body dysmorphia are obese, to them the solution would be getting in shape, whether "naturally" or assisted with drugs that have a certain side effect risk profile (not necessarily steroids, other fat loss drugs exist, dopaminergic agonists, growth hormone secretagogues, etc) which was my argument all the time when the moderators censored me, antidepressants raise serotonin and prolactin which are proven to worsen your body composition.

[Hulk_kitty]

You seem very knowledgable, could advise me, on how to overcome the fear of choking on food? what is the best solution for this?

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

Haven't heard of this before. Maybe you have dental issues like narrow palate?

[Hulk_kitty]

ok thanks, no dental issues.

[provokeesmokee]

I don't think he's dysmorphic.

The way Arnold talks about lifting and his body, he does it BECAUSE he likes his body.

That's the opposite of dysphoria, it's euphoria.

Some people like working out and building muscle. It's pretty satisfying to see your own progress.

[Flower7]

No, he has been majorly successful already.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

I'm not sure about that, searching about when Arnold started using PEDs, google showed results like as a teenager.

But if he has some sort of elite bloodlines like many celebrities are theorized to have... then your statement is very accurate.

It's gross that he was forced to marry mister skeletor. But I still think he may have been born an ordinary man who was later accepted into the tranny-marying secret society.

[Bilboes]

I don't know how much more successful someone as iconic as Arnold can be. What makes young Arnold play in blockbuster movies is his impressive physique, which he achieved with steroids. Even if this is not a healthy method, steroids have played a big role in getting Arnold to the level he is at.

[artgorgeous]

Drugs are not the solution. Drugs only for short term relief. He found a solution for himself and fixed the problem by himself. Which proves that people often can fix their minor mental issues without drugs.

[jshm2]

No.

Also, body "dysmorphia" wouldn't be an issue if those dipshits doing the "diagnosing" weren't doing for the laughs, tenure and money.

[exitseven]

Arnold would not have been successful at all if he was not driven to change the way his body looked. If body dysmorphia was the reason he got into body building it is what it is.

[Skull_Anon]

Arnold wouldn't have that body without steroids in the first place , every professional Bodybuilder does that

[Anonymous]

Doubtful. Ah-nold has a net worth of 200 million amd is recognizable by one name. Wjlhen you say "Ah-nold" people instantly who you're talking about. If that's not successful, what is?

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

Read the update and thread by hulk_kitty if you will. It was a joke question.

[Nifrayu]

His success was already incredible. So no. That's unlikely.

[Iron_Man]

I don’t think so