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you can't go through life not doing things because you're afraid of the outcome. If you have a problem with what may occur if your marriage does not work then get a pre-nup or put provisions in place to prevent those things from happening such as wills, marital agreements, arbitration terms etc but don't blame the whole institution of marriage because there was a time when marriage was not favorable for women and we were considered property etc no men complained then.
you wouldn't drink, you wouldn't have unprotected sex, you wouldn't do a lot of things (and I am talking in general not you specifically), however men don't care about those stats they still do those things. yet when it comes to marriage that stat is the only one men want to follow and stop you from doing something. If marriage automatically gave a $50 million dollar tax credit would you still not get married to someone you love lol
Marriage is that people (including men) do what they want for what they want. There are plenty of things you do daily where the stats are stacked against you probably higher risk than divorce yet you do them anyway. I'm not na?ve, I see your argument, my point is that if it was something that you already wanted to do you wouldn't let any stat sway you. It seems only when it comes to marriage men want to throw out stats and examples of celebrities lol
@jayman+dudeman...not sure I want to get into the divorce debate as you both seem to be already clinging to the influence of the media.no one talks about the women who on average get $100 a week for 3 kids or more and have majority custody of the kids, not the millionaires that you see on TV but that doesn't mean I'm not going to have kids. I don't live my life not doing things cause it didn't work out for someone else.many businesses fail within 2yrs didn't stop me. Again my point about.
@jayman...lol and guess you're not getting my point. Do you think that in the beginning of time when someone had a wedding or getting married it was recorded at a nonexistant court house.based on what you described you are not against weddings (keep in mind weddings can cost $0 to infinity lol) you seem to be against institutionalized marriage that's two different things.
The "papers" as you refer to came about as a form of estate/financial/family planning in order to better position your family in the event of various situations. Honestly, I am on the fence about why some men don't want a recorded marriage but as a loving husband that cares about the future of his wife and kids (and being influenced by society) I'm not sure that the reasons men have are as important as securing their families.
@jay-man...lol I guess it depends on your definition of a wedding. Do you think that in the beginning of time that people booked churches, had registrys, had court houses, rings etc. I think that people want to rebell so much and be different these days and feel open-minded when the truth is that when you get down to it they want the same things that everyone else does. You just sound like you're against the fan fair surrounding weddings but not weddings themselves. Lots of people feel the same.
@jay-man...lol..i guess I am a little confused at your argument lol. What you just stated sounded like a wedding to me lol, you just don't want to spend all the money or go on a honeymoon, which is fine. I don't advocate that relationships have to be commenced by 50k weddings and expensive trips. I know plenty of people that got married in their home with friends and family, actually I almost did so not sure what you are against that I am saying.
@dudeman...ok maybe you interpreted something that I didn't write but I am not tellng women to pretend they are virgins or lie and say they are virgins. I never said that so I don't know where you got that from and no one else intepretted my statements that way. There is no trick to this at all. Virgin or not if a woman makes a decision at any point in her life that she thinks its best to slow down or change he sex life she has the right to. Like I said I am pretty sure that we have reached an
just may not care since it does not fit into your wanting to have sex. Women are not built like men when it comes to sex. Women of today try to ignore their natural being but then they end up coming to me for the same "old-fashioned" thoughts that have been around for years. So like I said this rule is much bigger than trying to punish or trick a man its actually for women to stop tricking themselves into thinking that they process sex mentally the same as men.
what has occurred has affected the female, or I see a lot of women who have sex early in the relationship "going with the flow or moment" and then at a later date question if the man is with them for sex or for her, I have encountered the women that didn't want to have sex but afraid the man will walk away, I have seen women who make bad decisions because they can't see something that is very clear once they are sexually/emotionally connected to someone.The fact is you know this but you really
making a man pay a price or to punish men for anything lol. Women can actually do something that is best for them that has nothing to do with you and may not be good for you. So unfortunately I keep hating to bust your bubble but a womans body wasn't just built to do what you want regardless of how it affects her and tons of women are doing things just because they want to make a man to like them.I talk to tons of women who cry after one night stands, the man goes off happy and has no idea how
@dudeman...lol. Apparently we have come to an empass as I don't think you quite understand that my rule has nothing to do with you or men. The rule is from the point of view of a woman and for women. You think that it is a trick and degradingly as you put it a price to withhold sex but what I am stating to you is that for women sex is an emotional connection and those emotions brought on by early sex can get in the way of a woman's judgement. that is the reason for the rule nothing to do with
be OK if your own daughter came home with a man that looked you in your face and said guess what I love your daughter and we are going to live together, have sex, have kids with no commitment then you stand behind what you believe and there is nothing more I can say about it. Howeverm what I find in my line of work is that when people sit one on one with me or alone and be honest with themselves, they would not wish their own beliefs on their own future kids.
@jayman...actually the marriage dream usually starts with your parents as a little girl. However, like I stated, I can't comment on not getting married as I see the importance of it so I would not be able to debate on reasons not to get married. The only thing I will say is that usually men that don't want to get married are for the reason that women say they don't want a monogamous relationship...there has been some hurt, distrust or past influencing factor. If you can tell me that you would be
@jayman...fyi the jealousy was just an example and regarding marriage take a look at the title lol. Again the article was written for women, most who I know that want to get married. Some have stated they don't want to but that's usually not how they started nor how they planned their life to go and some if given the option would change their mind if presented with the right person.
@dudeman & jayman & kheserthorpe...lol I think that kheserthorpe's last paragraph is exactly correct lol which is what I have been saying regarding points of view of a woman versus a man. Sex is cryptonite to both men and women in two different ways. To women it could be the key to our heart and emotions and for men it can be a key to some bad judgment calls lol
TheChristian, its more like if a guy in the past jumped into relationships fast, said I loved you, waited for sex, but now he says 'we can sleep around with each other for a while and then I'll see'.
Which incidentally is exactly what I'd do if single again.
I think you guys are arguing because you are both seeing how the game works. This article advises women on how to try to play the game to their advantage. Of course a man who wants to play it to his advantage will not put up with it.
@jayman+dudeman...lol wish you all the best cause it happens all the time and you may be missing out on some great women. Again I get what you're saying from a man's point of view hence why I added that rule but again I'm sure you're not thinking nor does it sound like you care lol from a womans point of view. Sometimes you make the one wait that you really care about and want it to work. You may be comparing yourself to a prior man that she may not have cared about. Just a thought.
@dudeman+jayman...its funny to me how people had issues with my hamburger analogy yet you both are telling me exactly what I wrote lol. People make me out to be oldfashioned but the truth is that women don't realize is that women may have changed the game but the rules are still the same !