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Just to be clear this question is about saying no to marriage and a lifestyle choice.
Who else is turning their back on Marriage. (MGTOW)?
Frankly, i've lost a lot of respect for MGTOW's, and this came about recently after seeing the views of a good number of MGTOW's on the syrian crisis. Now, one thing MGTOW's looooooove to bring up is this idea of the disposable male... how society views men largely as tools which can be thrown in the grinder to feed the machine. They often profess the unfairness in men being expected to fight and die, instead of having the ability to say no.
Well funny enough, they are all in agreement about this point, up until it comes to brown people they are afraid of letting into their country. When it comes to Syrian refugee's, i haven't met a single MGTOW yet who hasn't chastised the syrian men as cowards for not fighting and dying in the middle of that brutal war and instead choosing to seek refuge in safer nations with their women until things simmered down. Wait, what happened to men having the right to not be disposable pawns? Ohhhh that's right... i forgot... MGTOW is a tool used largely by men who struggle with women and can't land the girls they want... so instead of tackling the problem, they choose to convince themselves that women are inherently evil, because its easier to believe the lie than it is to believe the truth about your own shortcomings.
In my eyes, MGTOW has become a movement to service peoples need to avoid facing problems in their lives. Their hypocritical nature on certain issues shows that its all about tailoring MGTOW in a way that benefits the individual most, not the male collective as a whole. Say what you want about feminism, but at least one thing they know how to do well is support women everywhere... not just the women living next door to them that they know and like. I've just come to have a diminished respect for the movement as a whole. Every MGTOW i come across talks more about women and their disdain for them than they do about helping and uplifting other men. Why is this? Even this question does it. For a group so focused on going their own way, you guys take a surprising number of pit stops on a woman's ass before "going your own way."
Like seriously... if i were to go my own way, you wouldn't hear from me again. But with these guys, the moment they declare their MGTOW status, instead of going their own way, they instead take the route which leads directly to your house, park their car in your driveway and stay there until you acknowledge their existence. This movement is in a sad state of affairs.
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I am not MGTOW, but I do not want to get married. There is no benefit for me, and women will take everything I have. And what so many women want these days is just something I cannot reasonably provide as a man! Pay me 50 million dollars upfront and I will consider maybe getting married. Even then, it's a gamble.
Men are shunning the institution of marriage for a reason, and I am so glad that people are finally starting to understand why! It only took a few decades of us getting screwed over in the court system, but this is a good first step.
I mean the main thing I'm getting from this is that women marry for money? Definitely not the case for me, not the case for a lot of women, some, maybe yeah, but you'd definitely be able to work that out before you decided if you wanted to pop the question or not or if she asked, you'd be able to say no, and then again why are you still with her if she's just showing you she is with you for the money?
I definitely don't want to rely on my partner for money.. I desperately want to work and earn money, I want to work with animals if I could get a job in that field I'd be ecstatic, so I am definitely more then happy to work for my money.
I want to address the picture where it says "men are not baby makers" well no, but, that's the whole concept of our nether regions.. to reproduce.. that being said, for me, pregnancy is about creating another life, looking after it, the joys of seeing if he or she looks more like daddy or mummy etc, I don't look at a man and think "yep you MUST give me a child" if he doesn't want one, fine, it'd be hard to come to terms with at first but I'd deal with it in the end, adopt or get some more cats :P
I'm sorry you feel this way, and I hope some day you will be able to find someone who may change your opinion on this, when you find someone who truly loves you for you, not your money or "baby making" abilities you might re think :)
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I feel some hostility in this post. I can understand why some men why away from the idea of live, commitment, and marriage because simple put- women can be the most ignorant, pathetic sluts ever. However, have you taken a step back and look at this from a GOOD woman's point of view? Not every woman wants your money or to trap you with a child. And if you haven't experienced a good woman then you are hanging out with the wrong people.
I have two children with the same man. I couldnt give two fucks less about money being spent on me. In fact, I get rather uncomfortable with it. That's why my boyfriend and I are a great match. He likes saving money and not spending it on stupid petty shit and I like completely overwhelming him with gifts. We are complete opposites. With that said, there are women out there who don't see you as a personal bank account, even if women like me are rare.
Another thing is that divorce isn't always because of the woman. There are plenty of men out there who fuck shit up just as much as women do. And trust me, this isn't me sticking up for women because I truly cannot stand 90% of women these days. But in reality, it takes two.
I'm neither for marriage or against it. Right now I'm just not even thinking about it. Maybe when my boyfriend and I have been together for 10+ years.
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I can understand why a lot of guys are turning away from marriage when they can have countless hookups on tinder. Tinder Is too blame lol. This post is kinda funny. Two of my brothers are committed members of MGTOW and I dont blame them after the way our mother treated our father and the what the oldest's wife did to him. The youngest says why bother when he can be free and single, keep his own money and have all the sex he wants. One day I hope to get married and yes it will be the deposit of a mortgage lol. Dont give up there are great women still out there you just have to find them as I keep telling my bros. Some women behave scandalously in relationships and marriage with how much they expect from a man and how little they expect from themselves but keep the faith.
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Well, I'm a female and I'm the one that polled the first choice of being a bachelor. I've just became kinda cynical to the whole idea of marriage. I just don't care to get married. If I was certain then maybe, but even then still, I'm not sure. I'm 33years old and I've never been legally married but I have been with the same man for the past several years and some days I'm really unhappy about the way things have turned out between us. Sometimes that thought makes me sad. And this is why I wouldn't waste my energy on a wedding. I just don't feel ready
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Your bitterness is obvious despite the humor.
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My girlfriend and I have lived together for over a decade and have three children. Ironically, we don't object to marriage per se. In fact, we both basically see it as a good thing. Certainly at a societal level.
However, for the two of us, we - almost to our surprise - found it something that did nothing for us. We found that an expensive ceremony, a pricey ring and a permission slip from the state added nothing to what we share.
We want our relationship to be about us. Just the two of us, natural and - for lack of a better term - elemental. Just sharing each other - and not attaching that to anything larger.
To be sure, we are both Catholic, believe in it, and struggle with that a bit. Candidly, we have just learned to live with the cognitive dissonance. We both love each other so much and - more emotionally than logically - we cannot imagine that it would be improved by a wedding.
That said, I did not answer your poll. Partly because it is the fallacy of the false alternative. Marriage is in decline, in large measure, because societal attitudes have changed.
Religious observance is in decline, and especially since the advent of no-fault divorce, marriage is no longer a legally binding contract. It has lost its meaning and, indeed, there is some poignancy in the thought that homosexuals gained the right to marry - it used to be a privilege, not a right - just at the very moment when marriage hardly matters anymore.
For most people, it is more a matter of religious belief or simply a way to express their love and commitment. Overall, although it has certain tax and other benefits and gives the state standing to step in and adjudicate property distribution and child visitation in the event of a divorce, it has ceased to matter.
(In that connection, it has not been without costs. Married men live longer than unmarried men. Child abuse and the abuse of women has risen as marriage has become less common. As a societal matter, the end of marriage is not without its negative effects.)
Long way around though, I love what I have with my girlfriend and cannot imagine it being improved by a marriage license. Indeed, because it is just us, there is something about what we have that seems more pure and - in a funny way - the way nature intended.
So call it a split decision. About the only thing I would say is that far from making those who wish to be married slaves to society, those who do marry, at this stage, are the rebels. -
If a guy doesn't want to get married and is truly happy that way, more power to him! Me and my girlfriend don't want to get married either, we're happy with the way things are.
However, not a single MGTOW guy that I know has ever actually gone his own way. They all say they don't need women but women are all they talk about. They seem to be obsessed with them. They are not out there enjoying their lives, they get together on the internet to whine about how horrible these women they don't need are. They're like little kids screaming "I don't need you, I don't want you" to a person that abandoned them. If they went their own way, they wouldn't be concerned with women, they'd be occupied with their own lives. It's sad really 'cause these guys seem to be really hurt and rejected and they get stuck in the pain and blame women for everything that doesn't work in their life, instead of actually dealing with their pain. -
I'm not into marriage and weddings either. Marriage feelings are caused more by my personal traits, but weddings it's the societal hooplah over the that drives me crazy.
It's not really a man vs woman thing, it's a societal materialism thing. My last serious boyfriend, we disagreed about a lot of things like house designs, car models, vacations, etc - he loved lavish and ostentatious things and I am low key. Too many members of both sexes are caught up in this belief that having the best of everything and gives you meaningful value to others. -
Although I'm not a MGTOW myself, I have educated myself on them and their ideals and I fully support the guys. Dunno if I'm ever going to put the label on me since I've yet to have any bad experiance with women... or any experience for that matter -_-.
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Truth Be Told... Times HAVE changed. That's the obvious. Statistics have proven that the divorce rate increases with each passing year. People aren't being bothered with the idea as much nowadays. Why? Because people seem content with simply "living together." With each generation, we're better able to identify what works, and what doesn't by learning from our parents and or care takers mistakes. Food For Thought: Think how many pregnancies (wanted or unwanted) there would be before the invention of "birth control." Its possible if women adhered to the "old fashioned values" more acutely, and didn't mind staying home to nuture the children and tend to kitchen duties, maintaining the household chores etc. It's just not a popular belief... Women want careers and their own money, and anymore it seems to take two incomes just to make it.
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I don't even want to get married, but I will say this. if I ever do get married Imma make sure that the only way that my wife is leaving me is in a BODY BAG. Since I don't play that "IMMA LEAVE YOU WHEN I SEE FIT" bullshit. Nuh uh, we made a life long commitment so Imma hold her to it via OFFing her ass without a fuck given. If she even thinks about uttering the word "divorce".
Since like people always say, well #vow on their wedding day "till death does us part", right? So Imma make sure that 1 death (hers) does just that to our marriage if I have something to say about it.
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You're acting as if marriage is some kind of moral obligation, it's not, it's simply a choice. So stop making such a huge deal out of your decision to not marry. No one is forcing you to.
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I agree with Explore2016. I understand why men don't wanna get married. No, I don't marry for money. I geuniely love my S. O no matter, broke or rich, I'll be there. I marry to have a great family. No money? Let's work it out together. Marriage is about responsibility and I get why men don't want all this responsibility weighing on their shoulder. I think marriage is all about teamwork.
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Well, if men are going after the women that are after their money then yeah, run. It's idiotic. But, I do not plan on getting married either. I want a partner, sure, but an equal. I make decent money and do not need financial support. If I enter a relationship, I am looking for the other aspects.
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If you're so proud of being a member of the MGTOW why don't you show us who you are? :)
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*yawns*
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I am. Top hat and suit, and omg those flowers. go closet. They come out to play when marriage is fair, and all that child court jargon ;) Ladies, all you need to do is fix what is scary to men. When that is done, by law, they will see how beautiful you are, and reopen the closet, and take out the suit. Give them something to chase after!
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I have given up on the idea of marriage also. It's basically a trap (to me) as a woman
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I would just like to say this... there are your Christians and then there are your radical Christians. There are feminist and the there are you radical feminist. Not every feminist is a fear mongering, man hating extremist.
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What kind of stupid laws does America have that makes men lose everything? Where I live neither men nor women lose what they have when a divorce happens, it's a simple thing that doens't discourage anyone to get married.
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Wait.. that photo.. "education doesn't make you attractive"? Wow, isn't it hilarious that people of MGTOW tend to say women are gold-diggers and all, but when a woman tries to build a stable career for herself by first getting excellent education qualifications, she's a less desirable "leftover".
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Anyone that goes marches, supports extremists of both genders or has to label themselves are people I don't want to associate with. How about simply live your life and how you want to without labelling yourself?
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Nigga please I get more ass just being single than I ever did being married. I've done all that and never again.
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Yeah, when you'll be in your death bed we'll see if it's those prostitutes you fu**** while you were living your life as a bachelor will be by your side, or if they'll be here when you get sick... I still want to get married and care about someone.
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