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not trying to be some woke ass wanna be red pill mgtow asshole. but really. what's in marriage for a man? i don't see it. it seems to me that the institution of marriage only caters to women. i see only losses for a man. nothing on the plus side.
Let's not mence words. The whole reason the MGTOW movement came about, was not young guys boming with women just trying to get a date, but older guys coming out of marriage.
In modern times men get virtually no benefit from either wedding or marriage. The wedding is going to be expensive. The marriage will have issues. Just because a marriage doesn't make it to divorce, doesn't mean it's happy.
In older times marriage meant a lot. A man's whole life was about his marriage and home. Many men desire this today, but are fools for even trying. You're not just marrying the woman, you are starting a corporation of sorts with your new bride and the state.
The first major setback is that modern women want full equity in the relationship with along with, and addition to all the former privedges of a wife. The means she wants to be strong and independent while being treated like a queen by her guy. It puts the guy working harder in the relationship while she takes on masculine qualities to talk back, argue and degrade him if he upsets her. She is rarely submissive and likely very nagging.
This power struggle is best explain with the idea of a man cave. Some guys think having their own special room is great, but it cuts his dominion in the house. All other rooms are controlled by her, when in times past it would have been split up, with the wife taking the kitchen, her master bath and bedroom. Now men are generally hidden in a back room or garage. Some even have to procure a storage building because wife doesn't want toys and old cars sitting around the house or driveway.
Women these days have easy access to dating apps, and her friends will talk up cute guys that look successful. She is constantly tempted. Guys are known to cheat, but recently women have exceeded and are very quick to call off a marriage with little to no warning. Social media pressures has her wanting to always looking like she has it going on. Women really like status, and will go into debt to maintain an image most can't afford or keep up with.
With women leaving the home, to get a job, or even a career, the kids take a backseat and are often farmed out to daycare. Women use to play an integral role in keeping communities safe. Now most communities rarely see kids playing, and women not being someone in the community can operate with little shame if she does keep other options nearby for recreation or to see if she can trade up.
Women use to maintain a home. Some even do to this day, but expect her husband to help. It makes sense. Both work. But sharing the home and chores doesn't allow him to chill out. Most guys have to come to a crazy home that he stresses, and after everything is made right, it's not uncommon for man to go hide out in his man cave and drink up several rounds to let go. Back in the day he was excited to see everyone. He could get comfortable. Read the evening paper, plan his annual vacation, mess around with his fishing or golf hobby. There is no time for all of that. Now many guys come into a home with a boss wife that nags until she disappears.
And. marriages were always a work in motion. No marriage is easy. It takes a lot of work. Back in the day, if you gave her a lot, she gave you a lot. Now she expects, or is never happy. You can be poor, or Jeff Bezos. There is never enough anything.
The whole deal either has a down trodden man, with little soul or passion living to get to his next drink or beer, before she cleans him out and has him paying for not. only her, but her new boyfriend who will get to live in your house while the kids are there, and drink your beer and enjoy life while you either live in a studio apartment or even out of your car. So many men started parking out at Walmart and other places so they would be close to things that most stores no longer allow customers to camp on their parking lots.
Many men have a hard time dealing and eventually check out and go on a lead diet.
So we experienced guys will say, enjoy her, if you have kids great, but whatever you do, don't marry her. She has little to lose. You have everything to lose as a guy. There are some. exceptions, but rare.
I want to know what the really good objective argument is.
Tax benefits are the most obvious one I can think of off the top of my head, and if the woman is wealthier, and there is a divorce with no prenup, that's definitely a win for the man. But also, if you're married, women vow to be faithful, so in theory, they should be less likely to stray. Also, some women feel sinful and judged when they have sex outside of marriage, so women being more free from that that will make them be more enthusiastic in the bedroom. If like most couples, you're living together, then the wife absolutely can do a lot to make your life feel more worthwhile. If there's love, cuddling, kissing, conversation and fun experiences together are all great. Can these things happen outside of marriage? Absolutely, but the marriage allows easier access assuming she's faithful, and I genuinely do believe the likelihood of cheating goes down if married. I'm sure there's a stat for that somewhere.
I look forward to you revealing the objective argument.
Out of a wedding - not that much. Happy wife, happy families, social pressure to get married ceases, people start treating the relationship as permanent and with more respect.
Marriage -
1) if you're old school, a live in maid and nanny who cooks, cleans, raises and disciplines children/pets, and takes care of you and all your immediate family during times of sickness. She is also available for sex and for vacationing. She probably coordinates you social calendar and creates ties to the community. You also get great tax benefits. If you treat her wrong, then both of you have wasted your time, and as legal compensation, she gets half of the family income because she was doing all her work was for the family.
2) if your modern, she splits the chores and burdens with you while also generating an income. You can afford nicer things, take better vacations, or honestly depending on both your incomes/areas, it just makes getting by a hell of a bit more comfortable. If she makes the same or more as you, tax benefits are neglible, but you're probably better equipped to save for things like retirement, HSA, 529. You can hire a nanny, maid, or handy man to help out occasionally while you enjoy spending your hard earned money together. Most companies offer paid family leave and things like that, so she can still 'earn' a fraction of her salary while full time taking care of you for several weeks or months as needed. Stay at home partner can't offer that!
I see a lot of bullshit from men online like marriages never benefit them. When you choose wrongly it benefits no one. Women become physically abused power struggle from majorly the man to make her submit to him. For the man emotional abuse and financial abuse etc. When you choose wrong you can’t blame the entire concept of marriage but your inability to choose right. When you meet someone who loves you for you and doesn’t want you to change and you don’t want her to change. You both want to grow together, you understand yourselves and you genuinely care for each other and you’re each other’s friend marriage has so much benefits because it’s a long term partnership. I’ve seen my parents they’ve been married for 24years. My dad is crazy over my mum he’s willing to help her with her work by 3am and they are both willing to provide each other with financial assistance. Sure they argue but he’s never hit her and they try to argue without the kids knowing. I’d love to find my best friend and someone I’d want to grow with and makes life fun for us. But if you rush into marriage don’t be suprised to rush out of it.
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Many things.
1. He chooses the flavor of the cake
2. The chef will allow him to eat 2 steaks instead of one
3. He gets to mess around with the bridesmaids in the coat room
4. The DJ has his back and will play Wild Thang by Tone Loc
5. Last but not least he gets to throw up at the end
Seeing his new bride happy 😃. Happy wife, happy life 😑 😂 That is priceless!
If you love your woman, and want to make one of the most important day of her life special, then you’re happy seeing her happy on that day. That’s the benefit.
u Have you ever been in a happy, long-tern successful relationship?
I don't know, mostly security I guess. You can get life insurance on each other, you get 2 incomes so if one gets fired they don't have to panic—also being a stay-at-home might be possible. You can do those 2 without marriage, but if your partner dumps you then you're kinda just screwed, so marriage just makes it so you can do those things and they can't suddenly leave you broke and jobless. Also if you get really sick or injured, they can advocate for you at the hospital. (This is especially good if you don't happen to trust your family with your life.) This also applies to any pets you share, I think. If you suddenly are not able to care for them anymore, your spouse has a legal claim on them. Um also the reverse, of course, you can legally advocate for your spouse if they end up in the hospital, and don't have to worry about if their family will make sure they get treatment they want. You can keep the pet (I think). Hm... taxes? And insurance prices? And probably social benefits like the church approving (if you attend) and people not coming on to you as much, maybe
The problem with marriage started when the government decided to have a hand in it. It was and always has been a right between a man and a woman and god. Obviously, we can include anyone LGBT in this as well. But here are two problems with this. First, government never had any right to put their stinking nose in it. It did not concern them and it was never about them. They had no right to declare that you must get a marriage license and if you want a divorce, you have to get their okay. It was all about the money.
Secondly, it is a RELIGIOUS right. Yet you have people who don't even believe in God getting married... for what exactly? Why? If you don't believe in God, why do you believe in a religious right based on God? But I digress...
To answer your question, ever since the government stuck their shitty noses in it, men and women were stripped of the true meaning of it. Now all it means is alimony if you divorce and a big fat bill for the divorce lawyer.
If you want to get married, leave the government out of it. Do it without the interference of the government and let it be between you, the one you love, and god. The way it was meant to be.
Nothing. Men get nothing. My girlfriend literally just said "if you did xyz for me id marry you" i said "i could reach a finger in my asshole and pull out a toy ring covered in shit and you would still marry me, its not like im the one hoping and praying here." She laughed and just said it was a saying and reaffirmed that she knows we are not marrying.
Legal marriage is anti Christian. Men are called to lead and rule over a womans desires for her husband, therefore a legal document that reverses Gods plan would be immoral. Basically women have zero responsibilities in marriage, ie the court will not force her to cook or clean or be a good mom or fuck her husband, they only enforce a man paying for the woman. Thats it. Yeah bullshit. If you dont do your wife duties you can eat ramen and sleep on the couch. And if you dont like it leave with nothing. Your problem. Ill still have a nice house and ill get a younger woman. Oh well. Its not like if men dont go broke women dont leave them. Money is only the biggest reason a woman divorces a man. Smh.
Good question. I have a strong belief that traditional ways are best and I wish for some in the younger generation to keep up the old ways so part of why I'm married is to be a good role model. I married a traditional type woman & I didn't rush into it. Marrying the wrong woman is a bad idea.
Traditional men have responsibilities. Yes, many modern women wish to take advantage of a man's natural tendency to want to provide/be there for her so it's on him to ignore/avoid the women who are 'too' modern to be compatible with marriage.
Its been proven that married people live longer, happier , healthier lives. The health and longevity benefits are especially more pronounced in married men than women. why? we are social beings. Humans are not designed to be reclusive, isolated, live a hermit like existence. Having a spouse means having someone to look after and care for you. Someone to talk to or keep you company on a daily basis. It offers financial stability. You have no idea how many single people complain about not having a support system. If you lose your job , you're screwed. You don't have anyone to help you. You are nobody's first priority. Having a support system reduces a lot of stress throughout one's life.
Actually, this is a fun story!
The origin of marriage was a fun topic to study. I'll try to summarize so I don't bore anyone.
Humans, in order to manage to grow into such incredibly intelligent creatures (which strategy ultimately let us dominate the planet), have to be born with a large brain. However, when combined with our bipedal nature, this makes the birthing process painful, difficult, and VERY dangerous for both mother and child.
Periods developed as a way to keep women from getting pregnant with a weak sauce baby that wouldn't survive the process or long after birth, and to not waste precious resources and potential mating time cultivating it in the womb. We get a large, dead, uterine lining that keeps all but the strongest fertilized eggs from attaching and impregnating us. Since it's dead tissue, this can be a bit of a problem - we can't just redigest it, nor can we keep it, since dead tissue is just BEGGING for bacteria and a subsequent infection.
It’s all risk, no reward for men in western society. This isn’t “woke”, or “red pill” or any of that other nonsense. It’s not even new. There was a time when young men went to great lengths to find and court a marriageable young woman. Men WANTED to get married. That ended when the nature of marriage changed, essentially with “no fault” divorce. It’s not that men don’t want committed, long term relationships. It’s that we don’t want to be destroyed in divorce. Even if you’re very careful about selecting a “good” woman and making sure she’s honorable and really likes you and you’re a good match for each other. If she meets someone she likes better, you’re smoked. Even if she doesn’t, and she just wakes up one day to realize she feels “differently” about you, you’re smoked. Divorce courts and family courts ruin men’s lives daily. No self-respecting man would lay his head on that block.
I’ve heard women say that if a man trusts them he will bet his career his housing arrangement his access to any potential children and his future earning potential on her not getting bored of him or her not accepting Chad Thundercock’s offer of a fling after which she still divorces and sues him and gets half of everything and full child custody. What I want to know is if a woman expects that kind of trust, why don’t women then have to trust men enough not to need the force of government as the sword of Damocles? Either marriage is unnecessary in an environment of mutual trust and respect or you shouldn’t be getting married if you don’t have that mutual trust and respect?
Nobody benefits from a wedding, but a marriage.. it depends on who you choose to marry.
If someone is supportive, loving, open & honest, and patient with you, then the benefits will continue to come before the marriage takes place and during the entirety of the marriage.
There has been a lot of foolish men and women that married people that were clearly not meant to be married. I know guys that had kids by women that got them on child support and refuse to let them see the children and you know what... those women were petty and toxic before the pregnancies.
I know plenty of women who had children by men that were deadbeats and continued to get knocked up. Those men were always like that, especially if they have kids they don't even take care of.
The Red Pill movement has some truths, but you have to take the rest of the Information with a grain of salt. A number of them profit off of men who are seeking some kind of understanding.
As a man who has wanted to be married ever since I was 15, the thought of waking up to the love of my life every day, going through highs and lows, going through life together, someone I’d protect and her bearing my children… it’s literally a dream. The dream.
there are a lot of benefits. I sympathize with those types of guys cause I’m sure they been hurt a lot; admittedly there are some women out there they have a point on. But that should be looked at separately. I almost took their bait and happy I didn’t imagine how miserable it is to live that way? Hope I help?
Men get no benefits from marriage nowadays. Your life will be totally in the hands of a woman. She can ruin you. Financially, if she decides to divorce u or if you decide to divorce her, she’s entitled to half your shit. And if you have kids, she kids child support on top of that. I’m all for having a relationship, living together whatever. But if you decide to get married, do so cautiously and be sure you know who you are marrying because your life can be altered in an instant at her will.
It’s a spiritual union of love, with a ceremony where two persons make vows. Its a big marker, an act of recognition where you ‘officially’, to the eyes of god or the to state, recognize your union and acknowledge the responsibilities toward your spouse. Kind of a big commitment… 🤪 I guess you don’t have to get officially married to make this commitment, especially if not religious, but there has to be a strong ‘step’ or ceremony in my opinion…
Some countries might make their process of financial assault (aka taxes) easier and might even steal less of your money, specially of there are kids involved. On the other hand, the cons outweigh the pros by a large margin. If a couple loves each other, they don't need the government's permission to be together, specially through a contract where one side gets benefits for breaking them.
If you look into it there is lots of research out there about how marriage benefits men much more then women. The men also end up happier and healthier in a marriage vs being single or just dating. End up living longer, making more money. It's all good things in the long run if they can stick it out.
If you go by statistics, married men live longer and healthier lives.
And married women live shorter lives. Lol. So men benefit much more from being married than woman do.
I also want to say that if anything happened medically, then you’re allowed to visit your partner in the hospital and get to make medical decisions about care. I’ve heard a ton of stories of family members not letting boyfriends/girlfriends visit their partner in the hospital.
The wedding is for the woman and the mothers. The guy only gets the satisfaction of making his bride happy. Having been through the big wedding, my advice to everyone thinking of getting married is to elope. The big wedding is not worth it at all. The money, the stress and her freaking out over the stupidest things. Then if anything... ANYTHING... goes wrong, it will be the guys fault for the rest of the marriage. Even though he had nothing to do with what went wrong.
Men are not forced into marriage. If they choose it, it’s because they get something from that relationship that makes him want to make it “official”
Not much changes when two people get married. Their lives are pretty much the same as a before except for a legally binding document.
They’ve found someone they don’t want to let go. What they get from it is individual to each relationship
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