not trying to be some woke ass wanna be red pill mgtow asshole. but really. what's in marriage for a man? i don't see it. it seems to me that the institution of marriage only caters to women. i see only losses for a man. nothing on the plus side.
Let's not mence words. The whole reason the MGTOW movement came about, was not young guys boming with women just trying to get a date, but older guys coming out of marriage.
In modern times men get virtually no benefit from either wedding or marriage. The wedding is going to be expensive. The marriage will have issues. Just because a marriage doesn't make it to divorce, doesn't mean it's happy.
In older times marriage meant a lot. A man's whole life was about his marriage and home. Many men desire this today, but are fools for even trying. You're not just marrying the woman, you are starting a corporation of sorts with your new bride and the state.
The first major setback is that modern women want full equity in the relationship with along with, and addition to all the former privedges of a wife. The means she wants to be strong and independent while being treated like a queen by her guy. It puts the guy working harder in the relationship while she takes on masculine qualities to talk back, argue and degrade him if he upsets her. She is rarely submissive and likely very nagging.
This power struggle is best explain with the idea of a man cave. Some guys think having their own special room is great, but it cuts his dominion in the house. All other rooms are controlled by her, when in times past it would have been split up, with the wife taking the kitchen, her master bath and bedroom. Now men are generally hidden in a back room or garage. Some even have to procure a storage building because wife doesn't want toys and old cars sitting around the house or driveway.
Women these days have easy access to dating apps, and her friends will talk up cute guys that look successful. She is constantly tempted. Guys are known to cheat, but recently women have exceeded and are very quick to call off a marriage with little to no warning. Social media pressures has her wanting to always looking like she has it going on. Women really like status, and will go into debt to maintain an image most can't afford or keep up with.
With women leaving the home, to get a job, or even a career, the kids take a backseat and are often farmed out to daycare. Women use to play an integral role in keeping communities safe. Now most communities rarely see kids playing, and women not being someone in the community can operate with little shame if she does keep other options nearby for recreation or to see if she can trade up.
Women use to maintain a home. Some even do to this day, but expect her husband to help. It makes sense. Both work. But sharing the home and chores doesn't allow him to chill out. Most guys have to come to a crazy home that he stresses, and after everything is made right, it's not uncommon for man to go hide out in his man cave and drink up several rounds to let go. Back in the day he was excited to see everyone. He could get comfortable. Read the evening paper, plan his annual vacation, mess around with his fishing or golf hobby. There is no time for all of that. Now many guys come into a home with a boss wife that nags until she disappears.
And. marriages were always a work in motion. No marriage is easy. It takes a lot of work. Back in the day, if you gave her a lot, she gave you a lot. Now she expects, or is never happy. You can be poor, or Jeff Bezos. There is never enough anything.
The whole deal either has a down trodden man, with little soul or passion living to get to his next drink or beer, before she cleans him out and has him paying for not. only her, but her new boyfriend who will get to live in your house while the kids are there, and drink your beer and enjoy life while you either live in a studio apartment or even out of your car. So many men started parking out at Walmart and other places so they would be close to things that most stores no longer allow customers to camp on their parking lots.
Many men have a hard time dealing and eventually check out and go on a lead diet.
So we experienced guys will say, enjoy her, if you have kids great, but whatever you do, don't marry her. She has little to lose. You have everything to lose as a guy. There are some. exceptions, but rare.
What do I have to lise that she doesn't if we get a divorce?
I want to know what the really good objective argument is.
Tax benefits are the most obvious one I can think of off the top of my head, and if the woman is wealthier, and there is a divorce with no prenup, that's definitely a win for the man. But also, if you're married, women vow to be faithful, so in theory, they should be less likely to stray. Also, some women feel sinful and judged when they have sex outside of marriage, so women being more free from that that will make them be more enthusiastic in the bedroom. If like most couples, you're living together, then the wife absolutely can do a lot to make your life feel more worthwhile. If there's love, cuddling, kissing, conversation and fun experiences together are all great. Can these things happen outside of marriage? Absolutely, but the marriage allows easier access assuming she's faithful, and I genuinely do believe the likelihood of cheating goes down if married. I'm sure there's a stat for that somewhere.
I look forward to you revealing the objective argument.
"... likelihood of cheating goes down if married." No, it greatly increases. If you're just in a relationship and she cheats, her stuff is on the lawn and she has to work to pay her own rent now. If she's married she puts your stuff on the lawn and says lets get a divorce, says its all your fault, has the court award her your house and then invites her lover over.
One of these situations provides an incentive to cheat and the other does not. As someone who worked behavioral analysis for a long time, people always do what they believe is in their best interest and a financial reward would make many people behave that way.
@bamesjond0069 that is false. Married men do cheat more.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 my comment has absolutely nothing to do with men.
@bamesjond0069 let me put it in another way. You said that getting married greatly increases the chance of cheating. Then you talked about women cheating. Yet they are the ones less likely to cheat. Statistically speaking.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 its not a comparison. A woman in a serious relationship is far less likely to cheat than that same woman once she's married.
@bamesjond0069 again, that is not statistically true.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i dont think there are specific statistics on what im talking about. Im using my 10+ years experience in behavioral study and my experience in the adult industry. 99.9% of the time when you provide a significant financial incentive to ANY behavior, that behavior increases. And as a male stripper i always beelined to the married women if i wanted to nut, in my experience they cheat cheat cheat. Single women and those with bfs were less likely to suck me off in front of everyone where married women much more regularly were like fuck yeah!
@bamesjond0069 assuming I believe a word you say... Regardless of what your experience is, empirical evidence means nothing over actual statistics.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 however im not aware of any meaningful statistical studies. So short of that i trust my lyin eyes.
I mean i dont see whats so controversial short of just an emotional response. Do more people eat pizza for dinner if it costs them $30 or do more people eat pizza if you pay them $30 to do so? Do you also need studies to prove tying your shoes is better than walking around with them untied? Smh.
@bamesjond0069 you are comparing free food to relationship loyalty? Seriously?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 clearly im talking about your obsession with statistics. Im dead serious. Do you need to see a study that proves tying your shoes is better than leaving them untied? Or is your observations and common sense enough to assert tying them is better?
@bamesjond0069 I like to try to follow evidences. Sue me.
Out of a wedding - not that much. Happy wife, happy families, social pressure to get married ceases, people start treating the relationship as permanent and with more respect.
Marriage -
1) if you're old school, a live in maid and nanny who cooks, cleans, raises and disciplines children/pets, and takes care of you and all your immediate family during times of sickness. She is also available for sex and for vacationing. She probably coordinates you social calendar and creates ties to the community. You also get great tax benefits. If you treat her wrong, then both of you have wasted your time, and as legal compensation, she gets half of the family income because she was doing all her work was for the family.
2) if your modern, she splits the chores and burdens with you while also generating an income. You can afford nicer things, take better vacations, or honestly depending on both your incomes/areas, it just makes getting by a hell of a bit more comfortable. If she makes the same or more as you, tax benefits are neglible, but you're probably better equipped to save for things like retirement, HSA, 529. You can hire a nanny, maid, or handy man to help out occasionally while you enjoy spending your hard earned money together. Most companies offer paid family leave and things like that, so she can still 'earn' a fraction of her salary while full time taking care of you for several weeks or months as needed. Stay at home partner can't offer that!
Generally men can get all that and to a better degree without marriage so they aren't benefits of marriage. The only exceptions are social pressures and tax incentives.
I see a lot of bullshit from men online like marriages never benefit them. When you choose wrongly it benefits no one. Women become physically abused power struggle from majorly the man to make her submit to him. For the man emotional abuse and financial abuse etc. When you choose wrong you can’t blame the entire concept of marriage but your inability to choose right. When you meet someone who loves you for you and doesn’t want you to change and you don’t want her to change. You both want to grow together, you understand yourselves and you genuinely care for each other and you’re each other’s friend marriage has so much benefits because it’s a long term partnership. I’ve seen my parents they’ve been married for 24years. My dad is crazy over my mum he’s willing to help her with her work by 3am and they are both willing to provide each other with financial assistance. Sure they argue but he’s never hit her and they try to argue without the kids knowing. I’d love to find my best friend and someone I’d want to grow with and makes life fun for us. But if you rush into marriage don’t be suprised to rush out of it.
With the extremely high chances of divorce and life destroying financial consequences for men, there is now widespread consensus among young men that its not worth it unless you can entirely trust your female partner - since they are almost always the ones who file for it and benefit the most from the settlement. Even after divorce, guys can still be ordered to financially support them due to financial dependency, even if they're childless.
That's not to say we won't marry, but with so much promiscuity and gold-digging going on, dont be surprised if we take a while to pop the question.
@Tinana The only hole in your logic is that there are So Many bad options out there. Yes, you have to choose wisely, but it's harder to find a "good choice" when 85% of women are bad choices.
@Bl0n6eguy 💯. Everything you said is Spot On.
@Jamie05rhs lmao of course you won’t choose wisely you believe you’re better than 85% of women. when you already feel that the majority of women are bad I think it’s time you look into yourself because you might be the bad one
@Bl0n6eguy but men play the biggest part in promiscuity you have a wide variety of ladies but you keep looking for the ones that are gold diggers. or maybe you need to work to be better financially because another reason people talk about gold digging a lot is they don’t have a good income and expect people to settle with them. Sure some ladies might but not all ladies would so look for those willing to do that
I find that very hard to believe with how easier it is for women to find sexual partners as compared to men. I frown upon promiscuous men myself, and gold-diggers are specifically people who seek a relationship for the money and in some cases aim to end the marriage to receive a cut of said money - I don't define gold-digging as women who want a financially stable partner
@Bl0n6eguy men are most likely to encourage sex in a relationship than women it’s a fact that most men are more promiscuous than woman. Of course there is a minority of women who are more promiscuous than men. That still doesn’t change the fact
@Tinana I never said anything about myself. All I commented on were the women lol.
Now, I will admit that I have my flaws, and I may not be a perfect catch. But at least I will love her and care for her and treat her well and not cheat on her. I can guarantee you that much!
@Jamie05rhs 🙈 well that’s great.
@Tinana Thanks! 🙂
@Bl0n6eguy what high chances of divorce? If both of you are white the chances of divorce are close to 30%.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 a 1-in-3 chance of destroying your life & savings? Those odds aren't good either.
@Bl0n6eguy out if those 30% some are done by women some by men. 70% by women so 30%x0.70= 21%.
So 21% of all marriages end in divorce because the women divorce their husbands.
Out of those 21% how many do you think actually let men without nothing?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Breaking it down doesn't change the outcome either. Even if it's a man divorcing a woman for her actions, she will likely receive a financial settlement - so either way 1-in-3 men will face a lose lose situation.
As I mentioned above, this is why younger men will take a longer time to ask the question because we have to be entirely sure of her intentions and behaviour. That's not to say there aren't terrible men out there, there is; but from a numbers perspective women are the ones who win from marriage.
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Many things.
1. He chooses the flavor of the cake
2. The chef will allow him to eat 2 steaks instead of one
3. He gets to mess around with the bridesmaids in the coat room
4. The DJ has his back and will play Wild Thang by Tone Loc
5. Last but not least he gets to throw up at the end
love the light headed not too serious response :)
Another Pick up roach🤮 The red pill will keep exposing clowns like you.
@vassmintenegro I personally know all your red pill heroes …stay misunderstood kid.
Keep manipulating people just to stay relevant, old man
@VaasMontenegro I sleep very well on my bed made of money. Stay woke kid.
Yeah for how long tho?🤔
Seeing his new bride happy 😃. Happy wife, happy life 😑 😂 That is priceless!
If you love your woman, and want to make one of the most important day of her life special, then you’re happy seeing her happy on that day. That’s the benefit.
u Have you ever been in a happy, long-tern successful relationship?
well to be completely honest, i wasn't personally. but i'd still ask you to make the argument you were going for anyway.
There is nothing logical about falling in love. It can't be justified with rational arguments. It is an emotional response to someone who fulflls some of our needs. Does it make sense? No. Does it feel absolutely wonderful to be in love and to be loved in return? Absolutely! Marriage is the ultimate form of long term relationship, because you know your partner is committing to spending the rest of their life with you. And you can only understand how significant that is if you have actually had the experience.
But are they really? 50% of marriages end in divorce and 80% of them are filed by women so men can only control the marriage what 60% of the time?
@VanillaSalt Who files for divorce is irrelevant but the divorce rate should be a concern. That doesn't mean that something is wrong with marriage. It means that people enter into marriage with unrealistic expectations and they lack the commitment to stay and work on problems when they arise.
You don’t think the possibly of a massive payday upon quitting isn’t something wrong with the institution of marriage?
@VanillaSalt I am an attorney and I handle divorces. There is no massive payday, especially for relatively short-term relationships.
So maybe they don’t make millions of dollars… but a couple hundred a week is a lot to lower to middle class citizens… then there’s child support to consider. And custodial responsibility over children which Texas my home state refuses 50/50 it’s almost always 51% in favor of the mother.
@VanillaSalt I cannot knowledgeably speak about the law in Texas, but in Florida, a woman who has ben maried less than 7 years never gets alimony unless she is disabled, a woman married between 8-17 years may get short-term but not permanent alimony, and only marriages of 18+ years routinely see alimony awards. Usually, if, for example, the wife earns $30K per year and the husband earns $80K per year, the judge may make him pay her $25K per year, so that they both have the same income to suppport themselves, but even then, alimony may not be permanent but last som period of time proportional to the length of the marriage.
As for child support, I routinley see child support awards of $200 PER MONTH when a husband has the kids more than 40% of the nights.
And, of course, you can always get a prenuptial agreement before you get married.
Yeah and how many prenups you see thrown out? You gotta drop a lot into getting it done officially and right. If not it’s basically toilet paper.
Regardless it’s women that get it men rarely do and when they do people talk down to them… also why does a man owe alimony if she’s been working too? Did he not buy the house they live in? Do maintenance on it? Take her on dates? Give her happiness and family?
Alimony should be removed completely. I do not support it. Child supports arguable but how much per month does it take to raise a child? I’ve seen child support payments of several grand per month because it’s not based off the child’s needs but the fathers income…
@VanillaSalt You are viewing alimony from a strictly male perspective - which is quite understandable. I could tell you the female perspective on alimony but every time I do that, I get accused of trying to be a white knight. Essentially, a marriage is also a financial partnership and one partner's contributions may not be cash but may be just as valuable as the other partner's paycheck..
You don’t need to I understand. When they break up she has to suddenly step up. Her incomes generally at best cut in half sometimes completely cut. Then she’s got the child which happens in 80%ish of child custody cases. Like I said Texas refuses 50/50 and requires 51/49 in some way almost always for the mother…
Now as for your contributions argument. In an average marriage both sides bring love, commitment, and companionship. Both generally bring money on different levels often more for the men. Both work on the home as in cleaning, maintenance, yard work, protection, etc. Women handle most household crap including children but arguably offset by what men bring in in income and safety. You could also argue women don’t officially HAVE to work so the man’s supporting her. Both sides want physical intimacy… things seem very balanced if ya ask me.
Can’t really compare 12 hours of children, laundry, cooking, dishes, sweeping and mopping, on the schedule you have almost complete control over taking breaks nearly whenever you want to rest and watch tv and eat and do whatever… all that freedom cause your not stuck behind a desk… compared to my 12 hours in a factory doing hard physical labor in the heat and cold sweating and bleeding risking my safety for a paycheck… Honestly men so far more then women in a relationship if ya ask me but let’s argue equal… Why does she deserve alimony? Why did she choose to leave knowing he was her bread and butter?
If I quit my job are they required to support me? Unemployment don’t work if you quit for little to no reason. Least not here…
@VanillaSalt "Why did she choose to leave knowing he was her bread and butter?" If she stays just becase he is earning the money, does that make her a legal prostitute?
Everything is a risk reward consideration including getting married in the first place so let’s not go there.
Knowing the divorce was coming they could have slowly worked into it rather than rushing it… she could build herself back into society and he could've got his shit in order too…
@VanillaSalt When people stop trying and marriages fall apart, they are usually too angry to continue living together.
… just because somethings usual don’t mean it’s the only way or right. It’s funny how easy it is to survive suffering if we have no god damn choice.
@VanillaSalt There are different strategies for going through life. Some people choose the path that has the possibility of leading to the greatest happiness, even if it exposes them to the possibility of some negative consequences. Others take the path that has the lowest possibility of bad outcomes, even if it reduces the chances of the best possible outcomes. It comes down to your strategy for dealing with risk.
I don't know, mostly security I guess. You can get life insurance on each other, you get 2 incomes so if one gets fired they don't have to panic—also being a stay-at-home might be possible. You can do those 2 without marriage, but if your partner dumps you then you're kinda just screwed, so marriage just makes it so you can do those things and they can't suddenly leave you broke and jobless. Also if you get really sick or injured, they can advocate for you at the hospital. (This is especially good if you don't happen to trust your family with your life.) This also applies to any pets you share, I think. If you suddenly are not able to care for them anymore, your spouse has a legal claim on them. Um also the reverse, of course, you can legally advocate for your spouse if they end up in the hospital, and don't have to worry about if their family will make sure they get treatment they want. You can keep the pet (I think). Hm... taxes? And insurance prices? And probably social benefits like the church approving (if you attend) and people not coming on to you as much, maybe
The problem with marriage started when the government decided to have a hand in it. It was and always has been a right between a man and a woman and god. Obviously, we can include anyone LGBT in this as well. But here are two problems with this. First, government never had any right to put their stinking nose in it. It did not concern them and it was never about them. They had no right to declare that you must get a marriage license and if you want a divorce, you have to get their okay. It was all about the money.
Secondly, it is a RELIGIOUS right. Yet you have people who don't even believe in God getting married... for what exactly? Why? If you don't believe in God, why do you believe in a religious right based on God? But I digress...
To answer your question, ever since the government stuck their shitty noses in it, men and women were stripped of the true meaning of it. Now all it means is alimony if you divorce and a big fat bill for the divorce lawyer.
If you want to get married, leave the government out of it. Do it without the interference of the government and let it be between you, the one you love, and god. The way it was meant to be.
Nothing. Men get nothing. My girlfriend literally just said "if you did xyz for me id marry you" i said "i could reach a finger in my asshole and pull out a toy ring covered in shit and you would still marry me, its not like im the one hoping and praying here." She laughed and just said it was a saying and reaffirmed that she knows we are not marrying.
Legal marriage is anti Christian. Men are called to lead and rule over a womans desires for her husband, therefore a legal document that reverses Gods plan would be immoral. Basically women have zero responsibilities in marriage, ie the court will not force her to cook or clean or be a good mom or fuck her husband, they only enforce a man paying for the woman. Thats it. Yeah bullshit. If you dont do your wife duties you can eat ramen and sleep on the couch. And if you dont like it leave with nothing. Your problem. Ill still have a nice house and ill get a younger woman. Oh well. Its not like if men dont go broke women dont leave them. Money is only the biggest reason a woman divorces a man. Smh.
Good question. I have a strong belief that traditional ways are best and I wish for some in the younger generation to keep up the old ways so part of why I'm married is to be a good role model. I married a traditional type woman & I didn't rush into it. Marrying the wrong woman is a bad idea.
Traditional men have responsibilities. Yes, many modern women wish to take advantage of a man's natural tendency to want to provide/be there for her so it's on him to ignore/avoid the women who are 'too' modern to be compatible with marriage.
So life should not be all about 'what's in it for me'. This is part of why western civilization is in decline: too many people focused on themselves instead of what's best for community/family/country. But obviously if everybody you run into has this attitude you also have to protect yourself.
good for you dude. seriously. i was asking this question sort of to enforce what i think about this. cause i actually like the idea but i just can't put a finger on the reason why. the more i think about it, the more problems i see and the more i feel this is just a stupid romantic idea. of course you can't be purely egoistic when thinking about spending your life with someone else. but i still think that in every life decision you make, the positives should outweight the negatives. of course there will be negatives. but i kind of don't really see the positives that a marriage brings.
i mean realisticly. what in your life with your partner would be different if you never married? what would have kept you from living that same life that you're living right now?
Team work. Increased family (team size). If you're a man with any value at all, you will never find a relationship with a woman where you get as much or more out of it than she does. That is the nature of male-female relationships. Simply by being born male you're going to have more responsibilities in life, even if you get with some hardcore feminist ('men and women are equal') spouting woman. At the end of the day YOU are not going to get out of not having as many 'positives' out of the situation. I'm glad that our ancestors didn't sit around debating whether it was worth building civilization given all of the hardship/responsibilities involved in doing it and how it would have been so much easier to just live in the open with next to zero technology and sit around the campfire each night. Some people want maximum freedom but it's really not compatible with being the best person you can be. It took the best/great people to build all of the things we have today & that many take for granted. I believe that if the old ways are lost, civilization will collapse eventually as there won't be enough people who think it's worth doing anything that isn't 'fun'. So I have way larger reasons for why I do things. Plus I had good enough role models. Not perfect but enough to get me on the right path.
"i mean realisticly. what in your life with your partner would be different if you never married? what would have kept you from living that same life that you're living right now?"
So the only difference is I wouldn't be on a team... and my family size would be smaller. Many people marry to give kids good role models. Of course, a lot of people marry for the wrong reasons or marry the wrong person. The percentage of good marriage material has dropped.
well some of the modern people aree equally unreflected. just fuck and have a baby and then "guess we'll have a family now". and i do think that the more logically and intelligently you think it through, the less sense it makes. i do not like assign arbitrary positive or negative values just out of nostaligia or historic reasons. if something is shit, then why do it? so that the human race can continue existing? what's the ultimate benefit of that to put it as a goal bigger than yourself... I don't know. i guess many people start thinking like me, which is why we have declining birth rates in most of the first world.
yeah the prenup thing is not traditional at all. but i think you'd be a fool if you don't sign one these days.
Yes, the prenup is required because women have changed. Even traditional women can be converted over to hardcore feminist if she gets the wrong friends or one day decides to be greedy. A man needs an insurance plan. Anyhow, far as arbitrary positives: to me it's not arbitrary to say that traditional marriage is good since I know of no great civilizations that were built without it. Even in places where homosexuality was rampant, everybody agreed that heterosexal families were essential and never questioned that. To them it was common sense that children needed role models and that a woman can't raise a boy into being the best man he can be. The standard I use is to ask myself if something will have good long term consequences for myself/family/society or is it only being done for short term gratification. So from my pov being constructive is more valuable than doing things that are destructive or have questionable (unproven) long term value. Most people don't even think about WHY they do things.
yeah well what i really don't see is how these benefits you speak about can not exist outside of marriage. like it's the promise 2 people make for each other that counts. the time commitment loyality and willingness to compromise. not signing a piece of paper or saying yes in a church.
The people who say, "I know better than traditional ways" haven't proven themselves (their ideas). They're like people who can't build IKEA furniture telling us they're qualified to architect buildings. Many social experiments are being run by do-gooder experts right now and from what I can see it's contributing to the collapse of civilization. Liberals believe feelings are #1 and that's where the problems start.
ok. i'm not saying that "i know better than traditional ways" :D i'm just questioning and i'm not in a situation where i have to decide anyway, so guess that's why i waste time thinking about it. though i am in social science and like simple things that intuitively should make people happy actually doesn't make them happy. children for example. having children makes people less happy with their lifes. to be precise, having children excluded from everything else makes them happy but all the consequences that come from having a child overall have a more negative effect on peoples "life satisfaction" (which is the gold standard to measure quality of life) after accounting for all the other variables that correlate with life satisfaction.
and this is exactly why i know that there is benefits to marriage. cause that across the board correlates with higher subjective quality of life measures. so whether you like traditional ways or not. that's what the current science says :D i just don't quite get why. cause sometimes there can be a variable you're overseeing and not controlling for that can massively skew such results.
I just noticed your last comment... It's complicated but I think deep down inside people realize that the strengths & weaknesses of men & women are best complimented in a committed relationship and the ultimate level of commitment in human society is marriage. Things are muddled because so many people who have no business getting married do get married these days. Things were simpler the further back in time you look and in societies where people aren't told that life is all about personal enjoyment. So in one culture/subculture marriage is seen as a hobby. Or a fun partnership. In the ones where marriage lasts the longest it is seen as a DUTY and the importance of keeping one's promises REGARDLESS of whether it's always convenient is understood. So when people have principles that they value more than temporary feelings you have more stability. I would bet you that the only happy long lasting marriages are ones where people have deeper reasons for the things they do or they came to that understanding even if it wasn't so on day 1.
Its been proven that married people live longer, happier , healthier lives. The health and longevity benefits are especially more pronounced in married men than women. why? we are social beings. Humans are not designed to be reclusive, isolated, live a hermit like existence. Having a spouse means having someone to look after and care for you. Someone to talk to or keep you company on a daily basis. It offers financial stability. You have no idea how many single people complain about not having a support system. If you lose your job , you're screwed. You don't have anyone to help you. You are nobody's first priority. Having a support system reduces a lot of stress throughout one's life.
That's copium 100. Marriage for men is worse than death, I've never witnessed a man that's happy in his marriage.
Well I don't believe in all statistics. They probably just say that because marriage and birth rates are so low and the government needs more tax payers lol
@VaasMontenegro
What makes it believable is that statistics from a wide range of multitude of sources say the same thing: Married individuals tend to have longer healthier lives, especially men.
Just because you don't like it , it does not mean its true. Very hard to argue against statistics and data.
Nah I still will not believe it but I will never marry anyway so yeah
Lol that's cute
@VaasMontenegro actually what she said is correct. Facts don't care about your feelings.
@VaasMontenegro good comeback!
Actually, this is a fun story!
The origin of marriage was a fun topic to study. I'll try to summarize so I don't bore anyone.
Humans, in order to manage to grow into such incredibly intelligent creatures (which strategy ultimately let us dominate the planet), have to be born with a large brain. However, when combined with our bipedal nature, this makes the birthing process painful, difficult, and VERY dangerous for both mother and child.
Periods developed as a way to keep women from getting pregnant with a weak sauce baby that wouldn't survive the process or long after birth, and to not waste precious resources and potential mating time cultivating it in the womb. We get a large, dead, uterine lining that keeps all but the strongest fertilized eggs from attaching and impregnating us. Since it's dead tissue, this can be a bit of a problem - we can't just redigest it, nor can we keep it, since dead tissue is just BEGGING for bacteria and a subsequent infection.
So we flush it out, leaving us smelling, vulnerable. and wasting precious resources. Ultimately, we as a species are one of the most vulnerable large mammals when pregnant or while in heat.
Which leads to an unordinary dependence on men for sustenance. Resources were difficult to obtain back in the day - they took hard work, and were ultimately rather dangerous to find and secure. I think I speak for most women when I say that having a period is hard enough as it is, not counting fighting for survival. And since we spend a lot of resources upkeeping our vulnerable (yet critical) reproductive and immune systems, we spend less into actual muscle mass or anything else that's useful.
So... we need men to provide for us, particularly when we're with child. The problem is, the male sexual process is very basic: Impregnate as many women as quickly as possible. They want sex, because that's how they keep the species alive. Not their problem if their genes leave us with a huge problem carrying to term - they have seed elsewhere.
And then take into account breastfeeding and how USELESS and WASTEFUL and TIME CONSUMING a human infant is compared to the rest of the animal kingdom! It's completely a waste until about ten years old! How is a woman supposed to manage keeping herself alive, staying alive long enough to carry a child to term, and then providing for herself AND her child for YEARS?
Simple: Only have sex with a man when you believe they'll stick around and provide the resources and protection necessary for you and your child. Thus the games between the sexes began, with men trying to get women to believe that they'll stick around when they're pregnant, and women trying to see through fabrications but ultimately still find a partner.
Very frustrating for men, but ultimately a fair trade. On one condition: They are NOT going to devote herculean effort to provide for a child that MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THEIRS. So the exchange was rather simple: He offers provision and protection, she offers her faithfulness and services in keeping his kid alive.
Hence traditional gender roles: Gathering resources is left to the man, who is built to take danger and die minimally, while the woman cultivates the child from a very young age and provides general support, manipulating the gathered resources.
Another reason: Women are the limiting factor for reproduction. Since survival of the species is really just a race of the reproduction to death rate, this is critical to our early survival and to grow large enough to dominate. Essentially, women can have one kid a year. Period. You get 100 men and a woman, and you'll get one baby max (maybe more for twins or something).
You get a man and 100 women? It depends on just how sexually active he is, but it's possible to get 100 kids that year. So if men die... it's less of a loss for the species. Another male will take up his reproductive slack (I think the Bible has some sort of rule about this?)
Anyway, so the contracts begin. For ten years, she promises to take care of his kid and bear it and have sex with him, so long as he protects her and her child and gives them the necessary resources to survive, risking life and limb to do so. Not comfortable, but efficient.
But then... You know, why not just do it again? They have sex while they have a young child, and thus their contract renews. Wouldn't it be simpler to just... have a permanently refreshing contract? Unless something changes drastically, but it would have to be pretty big.
Also, this is how polygyny happened. Single women, due to the slight shortage of men, still want to reproduce and take a contract. Men RELUCTANTLY would agree, because it means more sexual partners and kids, but also... How much harder it is to protect and provide for two women at once!
Anyway, it keeps going, but that's the gist of the origin of marriage. Nowadays? Nothing, I guess. Not now that men can get casual sex and not worry about kids.
What about men and women who marry but don't want kids?
@Billybob46 Back then? No such thing - marriage was FOR kids, and if you didn't have kids you were kind of a failure.
Now? I don't know, like I said.
What did the people who don't want kids do? Just shack up?
@Billybob46 Women simply didn't have sex if they didn't want kids, or otherwise found other ways of having sexual pleasure. Men could do the same, but also had the option to find women whom they could trick or otherwise convince them in some way that didn't involve a contract, then leave.
Can't imagine how many bad parents there must've been back then because they were pressured to do "the norm".
@Billybob46 Pressured doesn't begin to describe it. The survival and growth of the species depended on every able man and woman attempting it.
Back then, there wasn't "parenting." Good parenting was if your child lived and successfully reproduced, bad parenting was anything else. There were more important things to focus on than being nice to each other, much less a kid.
It’s all risk, no reward for men in western society. This isn’t “woke”, or “red pill” or any of that other nonsense. It’s not even new. There was a time when young men went to great lengths to find and court a marriageable young woman. Men WANTED to get married. That ended when the nature of marriage changed, essentially with “no fault” divorce. It’s not that men don’t want committed, long term relationships. It’s that we don’t want to be destroyed in divorce. Even if you’re very careful about selecting a “good” woman and making sure she’s honorable and really likes you and you’re a good match for each other. If she meets someone she likes better, you’re smoked. Even if she doesn’t, and she just wakes up one day to realize she feels “differently” about you, you’re smoked. Divorce courts and family courts ruin men’s lives daily. No self-respecting man would lay his head on that block.
I’ve heard women say that if a man trusts them he will bet his career his housing arrangement his access to any potential children and his future earning potential on her not getting bored of him or her not accepting Chad Thundercock’s offer of a fling after which she still divorces and sues him and gets half of everything and full child custody. What I want to know is if a woman expects that kind of trust, why don’t women then have to trust men enough not to need the force of government as the sword of Damocles? Either marriage is unnecessary in an environment of mutual trust and respect or you shouldn’t be getting married if you don’t have that mutual trust and respect?
Nobody benefits from a wedding, but a marriage.. it depends on who you choose to marry.
If someone is supportive, loving, open & honest, and patient with you, then the benefits will continue to come before the marriage takes place and during the entirety of the marriage.
There has been a lot of foolish men and women that married people that were clearly not meant to be married. I know guys that had kids by women that got them on child support and refuse to let them see the children and you know what... those women were petty and toxic before the pregnancies.
I know plenty of women who had children by men that were deadbeats and continued to get knocked up. Those men were always like that, especially if they have kids they don't even take care of.
The Red Pill movement has some truths, but you have to take the rest of the Information with a grain of salt. A number of them profit off of men who are seeking some kind of understanding.
what benefits of those you mentioned can you actually not get without being married? i mean given you have the "right" partner which you never know till afterwards anyway.
like i'm not against men and women being together and love and all that shit xD i just don't get the benefits of marriage. i actually know one cold hard factual benefit from my social science major but i really don't know the reason behind that.
You have to know who your partner is while you show them who you are. You can't just list off benefits to encourage you to take part in something that will affect you for the rest of your life.
You have to be patient and see how it benefits you for yourself. There will be cons, but everyone is their own individual and will have differences. If someone wants you, they will show you regardless.
yeah exactly that's what i'm saying. like if you found the right person, the marriage won't bring any benefit that go beyond whatever your great partner provides for you.
Other than legal reasons, if you have genuine interest in being married, then why not do it
As a man who has wanted to be married ever since I was 15, the thought of waking up to the love of my life every day, going through highs and lows, going through life together, someone I’d protect and her bearing my children… it’s literally a dream. The dream.
there are a lot of benefits. I sympathize with those types of guys cause I’m sure they been hurt a lot; admittedly there are some women out there they have a point on. But that should be looked at separately. I almost took their bait and happy I didn’t imagine how miserable it is to live that way? Hope I help?
Men get no benefits from marriage nowadays. Your life will be totally in the hands of a woman. She can ruin you. Financially, if she decides to divorce u or if you decide to divorce her, she’s entitled to half your shit. And if you have kids, she kids child support on top of that. I’m all for having a relationship, living together whatever. But if you decide to get married, do so cautiously and be sure you know who you are marrying because your life can be altered in an instant at her will.
you say "men get no benefits from marriage nowadays". it seems you imply that's opposed to some past, where there used to be benefits, do i read this right? which benefits would that have been?
ok but even then, what advantages are you speaking of that men used to get from marriage? sex?
The benefits (back then) is having a loyal woman who is about taking care of her man and kids. Man can come home from work and spend time with his kids. Has food made and house clean. Everyone knew their roles. Man works and pays bills, woman maintains household and nurtures children. And I’ll be honest, I’d definitely get married if things were still like this. Now it’s not. It’s too much of a risk on ur finances, well being, and on ur children to get married in this day and age.
It’s a spiritual union of love, with a ceremony where two persons make vows. Its a big marker, an act of recognition where you ‘officially’, to the eyes of god or the to state, recognize your union and acknowledge the responsibilities toward your spouse. Kind of a big commitment… 🤪 I guess you don’t have to get officially married to make this commitment, especially if not religious, but there has to be a strong ‘step’ or ceremony in my opinion…
Some countries might make their process of financial assault (aka taxes) easier and might even steal less of your money, specially of there are kids involved. On the other hand, the cons outweigh the pros by a large margin. If a couple loves each other, they don't need the government's permission to be together, specially through a contract where one side gets benefits for breaking them.
i mean here we have a really minor tax benefit. but i highly doubt that those tax benefits ever add up to even just the cost of the wedding over the course of your life.
the extreme thing is: here you get disadvantages of being married even if you are not. my brother lived with his girlfriend for 7 years before they married. after university he had like a month or 2 of job hunting where he was unemployed and applied for welfare. they actually denied him welfare if he didn't expose his girlfriends income, cause according to the feds, they were leading a "marriage like couple relationship" ...
If you look into it there is lots of research out there about how marriage benefits men much more then women. The men also end up happier and healthier in a marriage vs being single or just dating. End up living longer, making more money. It's all good things in the long run if they can stick it out.
Yet you never explained how because I can also say that marriage harmed men in many ways as well
@Texaskid1 it's another term for taking their own life.
living longer? so does an indoor cat that doesn’t get to have as much fun as an outdoor cat 🤣 and married guys make more money because they HAVE to, marriage is like indentured servitude for men 😂
@Aiko_E_Lara y'all can look it up if you want the info is on Google. I'm not the type put a million links on a opinion to prove a point cuz I don't feel the need to fight about facts
@dolemite89 they live happier lives so the fun isn't really a question. They are either having enough fun or don't care about having fun. And not so sure about the money thing cuz a married guy could have a rich wife and still just make more money then a guy that's single. So don't think it's anything about that they have to just cuz they are married. It's just how it ends up being
And just adding this. Women end up suffering more in a marriage so that's why so many end up filing for divorce. I think men that don't want marriage and or the give up on women type are just bitchy about marriage cuz they don't actually know how to make a woman happy longer term
Then you're presumed to be not truthful here unless you provide something to explain. I've already done my researches on how it is harmful to men and it's outweighing it's benefits. And that's something a wedding industry would never show.
If you go by statistics, married men live longer and healthier lives.
And married women live shorter lives. Lol. So men benefit much more from being married than woman do.
I also want to say that if anything happened medically, then you’re allowed to visit your partner in the hospital and get to make medical decisions about care. I’ve heard a ton of stories of family members not letting boyfriends/girlfriends visit their partner in the hospital.
The wedding is for the woman and the mothers. The guy only gets the satisfaction of making his bride happy. Having been through the big wedding, my advice to everyone thinking of getting married is to elope. The big wedding is not worth it at all. The money, the stress and her freaking out over the stupidest things. Then if anything... ANYTHING... goes wrong, it will be the guys fault for the rest of the marriage. Even though he had nothing to do with what went wrong.
Men are not forced into marriage. If they choose it, it’s because they get something from that relationship that makes him want to make it “official”
Not much changes when two people get married. Their lives are pretty much the same as a before except for a legally binding document.
They’ve found someone they don’t want to let go. What they get from it is individual to each relationship
None at all. It's commiting to someone who can ruin you at any moment and usually by the time you marry, she's been with every guy in town. Also, sex will slow, then stop altogether and she won't even take your name or give you children. Any man who marries nowadays is a complete idiot.
You got what the others say but no one had mentioned tax breaks if your married I would presume you're living together. It's actually a higher cost of living living under the same roof as two single rather than a married couple. Plus you've got inheritance if either couple dies everything (unless willed with a legal and lawfully person) gets passed along with no inheritance tax - good thing if a house was brought together.
If it fails though it’s highly likely he’ll have to pay alimony.
it was more of a Christian thing then anything i think, Lot's of people don't get married as they also see it as what's the point.
Depends on the individuals and the mindsets of them really personally i wouldn't want too.. Too much attention and drama involved up to it plus waste of money in my opinion although others will see it as more of validating they're love or Christians would do it for they're beliefs etc.
@zagor Well i think we was both wrong,
the first known recorded marriage is from 2350 BC in Mesopotamia. Over the next few hundred years, it was embraced by ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans.
For most of human history, it was a transaction that involved concerns of producing heirs, securing alliances, transferring property, and other, strictly practical considerations. Neither love nor religion came into it.
It wasn’t until the eighth century that marriage was accepted by the church as a sacrament and the sixteenth before it was written into canonical law.
It also wasn’t necessarily a “one man, one woman” institution. In the first and second century Rome, same-sex unions became common, and many societies practiced polygamous marriage and sanctioned the owning of concubines.
The wedding itself? You get to have a lot of dancing, drinking, and fun at the reception. The wedding night was nothing, because my wife and I were too burned out from the whole day, and we had lived together for two years. As for marriage itself, the man gets accepted by society as a success, and it puts to rest any gossip or rumors about him being a fag or a pussy.
What benefits?
Zero.
What a man gains is massive legal liability and a greater than 50 per cent probability that after an average of eight years she will destroy him in divorce court and impoverish him for the rest of his life via child support and spousal support, which will be used to fund her lifestyle with her new bad boy boyfriend, in the home for which her former husband paid.
A man would have to be insane to sign up for that deal.
trouble is to many couples rush into legal marriage these days without truly understanding the pros and cons of marriage or parenthood. ideally couples should be exclusive with each other for 5+ years before getting married or having children. so it gives them time to build a solid foundation for their future together while hashing out the details.
I don't think you quite need as many as 5. But I agree in general.
@Jamie05rhs ideally a few before getting engaged and then a few while engaged before settling down.
@reaper1985 Okay
Well for me I want it due to my own personal and religious reasons.
Also so I get to reenact the medal ceremony from Star Wars a New Hope by playing that song as she’s walking down the aisle.. probably won’t happen but a guy can dream.
You mean just wedding as a ceremony? if as ceremony he gets to party like crazy and probably earn some money. I'm not religious so I'm picturing my wedding as a very cool party basically (no church, just town hall and HUGE party). Ofc we both organize this party on our tastes, no traditional bullshit. Don't know about others but that's pretty much what my man gets.
Earn money?
@Jamie05rhs Where I come from, usually whoever is invited to the wedding is supposed to give some money as a gift in a letter.
Oh. I see. Interesting. I've heard of some people doing that. But most people I know give physical gifts.
Men do not get any benefits from marriage
Also only reason women want marriage is for 3 things
1. The ring
2. The honeymoon
3. The divorce " women get everything, the house, the car, the kids"
So men better stay away from marriage
yeah. the institution of marriage was created for women. because once they're pregnant, they are massively fucked over, if he just decided to leave. in this "emancipated" time we live in now, it's completely pointless, cause women have careers now.
Nothing, divorces heavily favor women on average. The best you'll get is tax reduction in some countries if you're married bu is that worth potentially losing almost everything in divorce? Plus, what can you get in a marriage that you can't already get in a long term relationship?
Marriage used to proved benefits for men, but not so much anymore. Any benefits to men can be had outside of marriage without all the risks and costs men face in marriage today, which explains why men are avoiding marriage in record numbers and the marriage rate is at an all time low and still declining.
what benefits would that have been back then?
Well think about what life was like decades ago for a man. He worked hard every day in a stressful job and looked forward to coming home to a tidy house where the chores are done and a nice healthy meal has been prepared for the family to relax and enjoy together. Today, he has to stop at Pizza Hut for dinner and pick up the kids from daycare on the way home, and when he gets there his wife is just getting home from her equally stressful job to a home where the laundry isn't done and the dishes from breakfast are still in the sink. Instead of relaxing with some quality time with the family, the husband gets to spend the evening doing all the chores that would have been taken care of in the past during the day while he was at work. Weekends are the same... not as much quality family time because things have to get done. And his kids are being raised by paid daycare workers rather than a loving and dedicated mother. In short, a man puts much more into marriage today and gets much less in return. Add to that the facts that half of marriages end in divorce, women file the vast majority of them, men get screwed in divorce court and child custody settlements, they get little respect as men anymore and are constantly told they are optional as parents. Does that sound appealing to you? It doesn't to me, nor does it to an increasing majority of men today.
well back in those days, an average man could actually comfortably single handedly feed a family xD i kind of am into leading that sort of life. but i don't really see the connection between a marriage and those things. cause what would prevent you from leading that life outside of a marriage even back then? poeple disapproving and not liking it?
There are four primary reasons why marriage is different today. First, as you said, it's financially impossible for most men to support a family one one income. That's because our economy has fully adjusted to the feminist model of women in the workforce, so most women couldn't stay home and be a real mother even if they wanted to.
Second, most of today's women wouldn't want to stay home and be a real mother even if they had the option. There are exceptions, but not many.
Third, men do not get the respect as husbands and fathers that they used to. They are considered optional.
Fourth, marriage is much more risky today for men than it used to be. The divorce rate is much higher now, and as I mentioned earlier, it is primarily women who are driving that. There is too much incentive for women to divorce and not enough commitment among women now. Divorce has become an easy and lucrative option for women. That's one of the primary factors behind why the suicide rate among middle aged men is so high today.
Regardless of why things have changed, the fact is they have, and marriage is no longer a wise option for most men now.
yeah i agree with that. i'd even say marriage is idiotic for a man if he doesn't get her to sign a prenup.
The problem with prenups is they don't hold up in court.
I mean I guess that depends on your countries jurisdiction. Here they work fine.
Ah, you're in Germany. My bad.
Here in the US judges throw out prenups all the time.
m just marry your pile of money instead...
just be smart though, money can bring you a lot of worries, stress, problems, and also leave you and going with someone else
i'm not planning to marry a pile of money. i actually don't even care much about money anyway.
i just don't like to waste money.
you can marry your money, your car, your house... your videogames
yourself...
and I don't mean to sign a contract and have the rituals with it
I mean, do whatever the hell you want and makes you happy... either by yourself or with someone else
and I assure you that the vast majority of the people in this world will not give a damn about what you do, if you marry or not... so go ahead, be happy in whichever way you see it for you
a long time ago, the security of a family and the possibility to have children. Now that she can force you to live in a dead bedroom and you can't do anything about it, Literally nothing. In fact its like the lottery for women, and indentured servitude for men when divorce happens.
Statistically married men stay healthier, live longer and are happier.
Stop the copium
Nah that's a big fat lie.
I've never seen a man that's happy in his marriage that's how I know lololol
That's your excuse? 😄😄
Sounds like a excuse to me so you can fool more simps
@Haha456 I'm not looking for a woman because I have peace and silence which is better
Not trolling. I'm just trying to drop some red pill truth to naive dudes out there
@Haha456 Red pill and Mgtow saves lives of men and you can't stop it no matter what but keep coping honey😘
"Ladies do not go with a red pill guy because he will most likely see through your manipulation and shaming tactics and will just not bother with your bullshit."
@Haha456 Red pill is one of the greatest things ever
@VaasMontenegro she is also correct.
Marriage is great for the average guy. Without it, the richest, most powerful men would get ALL the desirable women and the average guy would be picking through a much worse cast of dregs for a relationship. But if the institution of marriage keeps most guys to more-or-less just ONE woman, there are a LOT more high quality women that are available to dudes further down the hierarchy.
So THAT'S what's in it for guys.
Depends on youe culture. If you’re from South Asia then only men benefit but if you’re White and from the UK or US then women do.
You will benefit if the relationship is 50/50.
in what way exactly?
If both partners have jobs and pay 50/50 for everything.
and you can't do that outside of marriage? XD
Well you don't have to get married i guess but it's one way.
yeah that's the thing that i'm asking about. you can do all this stuff without marriage. so what's the advantage of it? :D
Yes you can but I guess some people want commitment or something.
he gets to affirm his love for his partner?
there's no downsides to marriage if you actually love someone
well the cost of the marriage is one big downdise...
and also you affirm the love before marriage, don't you? like you wouldn't marry someone that didn't affirm their love to you before that.
@genericname85 true, but i think marriage is like love affirmation part 2. its not a huge deal if you both decide not to do it, but if one person is against it it kinda looks suspicious yknow? like "we're already dating so why is getting married such a big deal?", it makes it seem as if being legally binded together will inconvenience them
xD is there any concept in your mind of how much a marriage actually costs alltogether? it's lot like "oh yeah might as well marry. why not?". it's like do we buy a good new family car or do we marry xD like the average marriage costs around 30k that's not peanuts.
@genericname85 the scale of the marriage is between the couple. you could just get it done on paper if you wanted to and be done with it
well then it's still a sort of big deal. you could have all the best intentions. but if your partner wants divorce, you suddenly have to fear for your lifelyhood, cause who knows how much money they get from you. and since in most marriages men earn more than the woman, that's obviously not as big a deal for women, which i guess is the reason why it's not a big deal for you xD
@genericname85 "The average marriage costs around 30k.". That's not true. A marriage license is only $30. That's like basically the cost of a dinner date lol.
But you are right about the divorce factor.
Wedding? Nothing, weddings are dull.
Marriage? The same legal benefits the woman gets.
Everyone arguing about the drawbacks has never made a prenup.
Whenever you do a documentation signing you are supposed to video record it. Otherwise they can just say their signature was forged.
She can't lie if she's on video proving her statement wrong :)
@Juxtapose lol that would never fly in court.
Plus the only time the court awards entitlements is when their is only one breadwinner in the relationship, or one makes significantly more money than the other. I don't date women who make less than me, otherwise they wouldn't even have a gaming rig and games to even meet me.
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@Juxtapose courts favor women in most divorces because most divorces have a non working woman, and a breadwinner man, and courts almost always favor the less financially stable person in divorces.
With the type I want, she wouldn't be able to make that argument, as I do not want that type of marriage arrangement.
@Juxtapose Simply put, I'm not willing to financially support someone, and I'm not ever going to have kids, so there would be no "financial support she's used to" for the court to continue.
Most marriages involve kids and the guy paying for most or all things the wife and kids get, so the courts try to minimize the financial impact of dirvorcing on the poorer side, so their lives stay the same in an effort to let people who should divorce not be afraid to file divorce.
@Juxtapose Key words were mothers and hit
1. Why would I date a violent person who hits people for no reason?
2. Why would I date a mom?
3. Why would I marry a person I didn't get along with enough to give her reason to hit me?
Your scenario does not fit my taste in women.
My preference in a wife is an excessively kind hearted, scientifically minded woman, who is silly, and who shares all my hobbies and interests, is a self sufficient artistic business runner type, and never wants kids, and would sign a prenup just to safeguard her own money/assets. Basically a female me.
@Juxtapose I'm also a business venture type, so that still constitutes as her paying only half the bills.
I want to co-run a business with a wife, one similar to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJy7Jmpxc4w
@clubmanager do u want to comment honey
He was against marriage before but then out of nowhere he got interested in marriage
i'm not against it xD i'm just curiously asking a question.
No not u honey but he used to be
yeah i'm just saying xD i don't need to be "convinced".
Lol ok
Just changed my mind, but if i am to advise someone i will ask them not to marry.
@clubmanager lol
Wouldn't you agree?
@clubmanager well yeah. i thought she brought you in to argue the opposite xD
Don't mind the bitch, she doesn't understand much.
@clubmanager whtt really? U didn't want to be married?
Do not reply here anymore bitch, you will know my answer.
A women is supposed to nurture care etc
Men accepts it and does the same to the women
This is called love
Isn’t it hard to understand?
Financially there's no benefit. Girls dont marry poor men. So when there's a divorce the girl always walks away getting paid. Sexually there's no benefit. Emotionally there's no benefit. Socially there might be some benefit, its a status symbol to be married to a lot of people
If your asking this question, then why don’t you tell me what benefits the woman gets from marriage.
For example
Can abuse her husband without being judged or questioned
If she wants a divorce she can take everything what the man has worked hard for. There is more but fuck it.
You could be a traditional house wife while the husband is being the provider but you're a woman that thinks that you're equal to men and that being a house wife is opression so have fun working until you're old without anybody giving a shit about you because you females can't live without attention. Lolololl
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Thanks for the good laugh
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@VaasMontenegro literally none of that is true.
She will be judged and questioned if she abuses her husband. That much is obvious.
Also obvious that she is not going to take everything. You guys need to stop watching TV. Life is not a romantic comedy.
You know that you can have an amazing career while also being in a relationship right? One thing doesn't stop the other.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 cool story beta cuck
Opinion 8 is a Beta cuck
Yeah sure, keep acting clueless
Is he your husband?😂😂😂
Are you stupid?
@VaasMontenegro was that supposed to be an insult? Because I don't follow the red pill flock? Please
He gets to show off to the world that he has the resources to get married and what not.
At least that's what it would seem like. In reality it means a shit ton of debt for him.
I’m actually very curious bc all of my uncles have complained that the wedding was mostly about the bride and they just showed up lol
well it is for the bride, cause traditionally, women would get fucked over massively if they got pregnant and the guy just left. but that's not really the case these days anymore. so even though the massive disadvantages marriage compensated for don't exist anymore, we still have that standard that basically mustunfairly disadvantages men now.
There are none. Men basically sign our rights to 18+ years of our income and half of our property to away while women gamble literally nothing and are playing with the house’s money.
Nothing. It's for the women lol I rather just promise to be together forever, and be faithful and go on a nice trip.
The wedding is 99% for the women.
In the Western world, marriage doesn't benefit most men unless the women make more, and you're exposing yourself to an unfavorable power dynamic if that happens.
XD having "less power" is always less favourable :D
I don't know why men get married at all anymore in the U. S. Its a sucker's deal. Any respect she has for you goes right out the window because she won. And you spent thousands of dollars, got down on your knee and begged for it.
As for my husband
Sex with me
Kids
My commitment and love
Living with me
I'm sure he would not left your lips without kissing 😊
How long does he kiss you?
Nothing besides losing half of his shit when they get divorced lol I'm just joking
Nobody gets anything out of marriage. You do it for the love and societal needs. Period.
well that's not quite right. it has massive benefits for "certain" women. namely women that want a family and a long term stable and relatively secure environment to rise children in while they don't pursue a fully fledged full time career path. if you're a career woman with no plans of having children or if you don't mind rising your children alone at all, then i agree that there's no benefits for either side.
so what i'm saying is that traditionally marriage was made for women in order to compensate for the risk of just being left by the guy while having compromised their career opportunities for being a full or part time mother. it was traditionally not at all made for men.
That's right. We sacrifice career for stupid family bonding.
well women "used" to do that. but not anymore. so they stillget the benefits while not having any disadvantaghes from it like men do.
@anon1903 Aww. It's not stupid!
They still do. At least in india. Don't worry, I'm gonna move out as soon as I can. I'd need benefits more than 'love'.
@Jamie05rhs that's just your viewpoint. I'm just clarifying to the asker that women don't get "benefitted" either.
@anon1903 Move out where?
@Jamie05rhs well it kind of is, if you look at the insanely overpriced marrital industry xD
@Jamie05rhs the land this guy's talking about.
Land where women don't work hard and get benefits. Because honestly I can use a break from this woman hating nation.
yeah sure. in india and other very traditional countries i totally agree with you.
i totally agree that india and lots of muslim countries are woman hating. but the west is currently man hating xD so that sucks.
@anon1903 If you come to America, give me a holler. 🙂
If America doesn't stupidly ban abortion and becomes more accepting of lgbt, I promise to visit it at least once.
And if it really considers women superior, I'd stay! Xx
yeah but men will leave and then you'll be alone with all the lgbt women xD but maybe that's exactly what you want :D so good for you, i guess.
I'm bisexual. I think men are fairly important, but it's okay if they leave. I want a better life, I'm not trying for relationships. x
@anon1903 Oh; sorry. Nevermind.
i'd try to leave india if i was a woman as well xD this place sucks.
I'm glad you understand.
Well, if he marries the right girl, he gets a wife who will love and cherish him.
why does he need to "marry" to find that?
Good luck, and don’t get mad if a girl who wants to love and cherish you leaves when you don’t want to marry her.
i mean you can get that without marrying
Well, most women that I know want commitment. That usually means marriage.
yeah i understand women want that. that's why i said wedding seems to be exclusively for women. what does the guy get in exchange tho? he gets to keep what he already has, which is the girl? cause if he doesn't marry, the girl will leave a perfect man just cause he's unwilling to do this thing that ultimately means nothing, cause divorce exists?
@genericname85 Marriage does NOT mean nothing if you truly do love and cherish the person.
@Jamie05rhs if you truly do love and cherish the person that's a great thing. but marriage doesn't mean this is the case. there's plenty of people who are married and super unhappy with each other.
@genericname85 Of course! You are absolutely right. Those are called "fake marriages.". Or, "Marriage In Name Only."
@Jamie05rhs no they're marriages untill they're divorced. what i was saying is that you were conflating marriage with things that exist outside of marriage. claiming marriage means somethign that it does not mean.
like i understand that you are saying that for you marriage means those positive things. or that it should mean those things in your opinion. that's a value judgement. normative. not factual tho. factually, marriage doesn't mean that.
Then don’t get married. Simple. I’m not going to argue with you about your values, or mine.
nobody is forcing you to answer a question on here :D
@genericname85 you asked the question, I gave my answer. Not looking for an argument. You disagree with my opinion, and that’s fine.
"i mean you can get that without marrying"
It seems you have to find out the origin of marriage in the first place. Marriage comes from God, and it is for a couple to be in a loving relationship to support one another, to fulfill each others' urge to merge, to build a loving family together, be fruitful and multiply. Anyone (not just you, the women included) thinking that these benefits can be gotten as a single or can abuse the spouse after marriage, has a value or moral problem and is not honoring the concept of marriage or the God of marriages.
So yes, like you mentioned, it's a value judgement. And whatever is normative does not mean it's how you should do marriage. It is up to you to find the individual that will both commit together to make marriage work.
Depends on where you are. In cultures where marriage is sacred, they get a lot more out of it than those of western culture who get married.
what do they get out of it where ever it is sacred?
In laws who basically become your family too. Love from both sides creates a loving environment for the children. A lot of wedding gifts. A lifelong partner. A union of 2 families. You get to know more people who will come in handy for you. Your network becomes stronger. Financial security also improves.
hmm. yeah i see. in my grandparents day, that used to be a thing now that i think of it.
well families kind of seem to not stick together. everyone does their own thing. nobody invests time in their family.
yeah i'm fortunate enough not to have that drift in my core family. but in the extended family, there's really no interest to invest any time. it's shocking how people can be so apathetic to their heritage.
Well in all honesty it gets a bit tougher in large families especially the extended ones. Im close to my parents and brother the most. he's married and has a child so obvs close to them 2 as well. Some relatives from my extended family i am super close to. Not all of them live in the same city but they are regularly in touch with my parents and i call them on the odd festivals to greet them. And obvs im welcomed by them in their city when i visit and they are by me. Its not easy. If they reciprocate the kindness and the good gestures, then it is worth making the effort to keeping those relations alive. Some relatives are toxic and family politics does exist, so best to stay out of that and focus on relatives who can be dear to you and sincere. That is what i have learnt.
Not much. The wedding is for the bride... it's her day. What he gets is a wife.
A Legal Paper to sign
Like hey Wanna sign a Legal paper 📑
Oh yeah cause Signing Legal documents sound so Safe.
BRUH
a second income. both genders get same benefits. it's not a competition, it's simply a commitment between 2 people.
i'm sure all these downvotes are from men who chose terrible life partners and just think the world is out to get them. lmfao.
Guys like you are the reason why some men are not marriage material.
women like you are the reason that some men just don't wanna marry.
doesn't it feel bad to be so harshly judged without even trying to be understood by the other person?
It's a pretty formal promise that she ain't gonna leave you. A divorce still has a large social stigma.
I think that's a bit of a naive assumption, but ok.
That's the thing, it's a promise. Promises can be broken and that's something to keep in mind.
When it comes to women understanding it, it's part of our job that they get to understand it.
Would I trust "a" woman? No. I would trust the woman I marry, because I'll make damn sure she's the right one.
No; promises can't be broken. People who break promises are TRASH.
And what do you mean it's part of our job? Am I supposed to teach my girlfriend morals? Am I her pastor? Am I her Sunday School teacher?
If she doesn't have morals by now, she's a lost cause.
"Would I trust "a" woman? No. I would trust the woman I marry, because I'll make damn sure she's the right one."
Okay. Agreed. 👍
A prenub in a state that actually upholds them, if he was smart enough to get one. Other then that I see no other benefit lol
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