What's more important; that your marriage is recognized by God and true or recognized by the Government?

[Anonymous]

I ask because one can get married and never go turn in the papers. In such case, they would be married in their hearts but not recognized by the Gov as husband and wife. Please don't say both but instead say equally important if you cannot pick.

God/MyHeart

Government

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I understand why people might say "god/my heart" but the reason people get married in the first place is because it means that when you die, your estate goes to your next of kin. When you die, that's your spouse. After them, it's your children or your parents if you don't have any kids. People got married to make sure the people they love most would be taken care of in the event of an untimely death, and if that marriage is not recognized by the governing power as legitimate, that estate will go to any surviving family you have or if you have none, back to the government itself. They sell your belongings in estate sales and sell the land once the house is empty. It doesn't become government property as much as bank property to be sold to someone else, but still.

Marriage, while a romantic ceremony and a gesture of romantic love, is very much a legal reassurance that you will be taken care of if something should happen to your spouse, and that they will make sure you have the means to stay alive after their death.

[bamesjond0069]

I thought this is what a will was for? Silly me.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Not everyone thinks they’re going to die at 30, or younger, so wills don’t end up getting made

[bamesjond0069]

I've had a will since about 25. I mean when you start a family or something it's the responsible thing to do. Although if you own nothing it's not very important.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I’m sure your family will be glad to know you were thinking of them from such an early age, but I don’t think it would be a terrible practice for you to consider that not everyone thinks as far ahead as you do, nor has always had the same rights as you to marry whomever you like.

[bamesjond0069]

So what though?

[monorprise]

People got married to secure support for the sake of children originally. They largely abolished that institution with redefinition to "security of feelings" and no-fault divorce to abolish said security.

Inheritance is something easily accomplished with a will.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

There’s also familial privileges one otherwise wouldn’t have unless they were married, like being able to visit them in the hospital for instance, that you can’t have if you’re not married. Or making those difficult calls for your loved ones

[bamesjond0069]

This can be accomplished through a living will and power of attorney.

Legal marriage offers nothing unique except blunt and forceful division of assets upon divorce basically. Which I could do without that. What moron would want that? Smh.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Then don’t get married? I’m talking about queer people, not telling you to settle down

[bamesjond0069]

Just spiritual marry. Legal marriage is just dumb and for poor people or soon to be poor people.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

@bamesjond0069 That's incredibly classist, not to mention a bit homophobic, considering there are only like, what 16% of countries in the world that even allow the legality of it? Just because you might be happy having a common-law marriage or a spiritual marriage doesn't mean it carries the same satisfaction for everyone else who isn't like you. Surely you're not this egotistical as to assume everyone "good" shares your opinion because yours is somehow superior?

[bamesjond0069]

It's moral. If some men think it's good that if their wife cheats on them and leaves them for another man, it's good they still have to pay her alimony and she can keep the house... well that's their judgement. Personally I think that's wrong but they can also give all their money to a stranger if they think it's good too.

What's wrong is that they have forced this upon me. Marriage did not work like this pre no fault divorce. So I feel entitled to dunk on them if I want. Yes they are wrong for forcing it on me and so I think they are absolutely bad people. And idgaf about gays why would I? I don't even see how marriage has to do with gays.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Okay, I’m not addressing this anymore, you’re taking something not meant for you and making it about you

[bamesjond0069]

I mean I choose not to participate since it seems immoral to me. Also practically makes no sense.

[tiajoka]

That’s not why marriage was created

[Agape93]

Neither. It's only important to those married people

[BCRanger10]

But it should be both.

Marriage reasonably requires a formal recognition by a higher party, or else, what makes it different than another relationship involving a man and a woman? Sure, a man and a woman may truly and genuinely love each other, but there has to be something legally and sacramentally binding them. The Church and the state each have a legitimate stake in marriage. Marriages produce children and families, families produce neighborhoods, neighborhoods produce cities and municipalities, which produce states and provinces, which produce nations.

As for the Church, there's too much deeper theology to go into on it, but suffice it to say for now, a marriage between a man and a woman symbolizes the union between Christ and the Church.

So yes, it does in fact need to be both.

[oddwaffle]

Government gives tax benefits, rights and more importantly inheritance rights. This is particularly dangerous in case you die and left your loved ones with nothing because the government will take all of it.

So it really boils down to "do you care enough about your loved ones or just yourself". Without government acknowledgement, you can't leave anything behind for your loved ones. Without God acknowledgement, you can simply move to another god.

[jshm2]

You're confused about what a marriage is, kiddo.

If your marriage is recognised in faith, then it will be registered through a church, mosque, synagogue etc.

But via a government, then it too will be recognised by faith.

Neither recognise cohabiting - which is what you're alluding to. Nor is it recognised as "marriage" by God.

In fact there are many who were killed as adulterers, and worse, in the bible and Torah for having such relationships.

[TheFlak38]

Women who say they care more about God are disgusting liars. Mention to them the topic of pre-nups and they'll start throwing temper tantrums. They know that marriage serves their interests ONLY and that the governments supports them for having a vagina.

[lightbulb27]

most important my wife recognizes it, else I'm screwed...

God is important.

Don't care about the govt, they should stay out of it... but they still charged their "fee" for the privilage of recording it.

[MysticDevice]

Neither. Its neither the government's nor a supreme being's business. As far as I'm concerned if me and my future partner say we're married then we're married. I'm not signing a doccument or paying the government for a piece of paper.

[Mac-One]

Government can do what it wants for political and tax purposes but churches should stick with God's Law. Not bent to the government or society's waus.

tie's

[bigrook]

When the Government recognizes your marriage you get a sweet boost to your tax deduction for filing jointly. God cannot beat that deal.

[bamesjond0069]

It's MOST important to not be married in terms of the government. That is the #1 thing to never do. Any woman who is saying that's important to her is a gold digger and trash and not to be trusted.

[Nikki1989]

When I was married, I never thought about an imaginary being or the government.

[Dargil]

A. Although G0d and "my heart" are not co-equal truths. You still can't marry your cat.

[loveslongnails]

Do you really think God cares about marriages? I don't. On the other hand, the government makes money if you get married!

[Echosoul]

"God/my heart" is not the same thing. Not everyone is a theist, feels like the question is a bit biased. It would probably be for legal reasons.

[KrakenAttackin]

The problem is a woman's power over a man comes from the government.

[AmyHew1tt]

Neither, to me.

[slatyb]

God isn't real to me. The IRS is.

[Anonymous]

Government. God doesn’t keep records, silly.

[SpokenTruth]

Important that it is recolonized by God.

[Anonymous]

No marriage, no problem 😎