My Take on Gender Equality and a Response To Men Who Think It's Okay To Hit a Woman

[Anonymous]

First of all I'd like to show you the definition of Gender Equality:

Gender equality, also known as sex equality, gender egalitarianism, sexual equality or equality of the genders, is the view that men and women should receive equal treatment, and should not be discriminated against based on gender.

Gender Equality, to anybody who understands it, is the notion that both sexes, both male and female, should be treated with the same respect and courtesy.

For those of you who still don't understand this, this means that despite our sex, we should all get equitable forms of employment, justice, and education.

Now I have always believed that it was common knowledge that a man should never, under any circumstances, hit a female. But recently I have noticed a lot of questions regarding a man hitting a woman on GAG and that almost 80% of men agree that is would be FAIR to hit a woman.

Here are just a few reasons a man should never hit a woman.

"Men are 50 percent stronger than women in brute strength."

But it's fair right?

"Female lung capacity is about 30 percent less than in males."

But we should be able to handle it...right?

The average height of a man is 5'10... The average height of a woman? 5'4

That shouldn't matter. Correct?

The average WEIGHT of a man? 180Lbs. Average weight of a woman? 145Lbs.

But we're physically equal right? By asking for equal pay, we are also asking for equal physical brutality RIGHT?

So now I'm assuming a lot of you pro-woman-abusers are thinking, "well that means she isn't equal!"

Well doesn't that just make you quite the fool?

"Generally, women seem to have higher social and emotional intelligence than men; are less violent and aggressive; are almost never serial killers or sexual sadists; and are far safer drivers (sorry guys, but it's true). In fact, a recent "New York Times" piece noted that men are found to drive faster overall, ignore traffic laws more often, take more (and greater) risks and are involved in the majority of fatal crashes around the globe." - Psychology Today

"Also, having two X chromosomes provides a huge health advantage, which is clearly the case for X-linked diseases, such as color blindness, hemophilia and Duchenne's disease (a severe recessive X-linked form of muscular dystrophy). These diseases, caused by mutations on the X chromosome, nearly always affect only men. Since females have two cell lines (one paternal and the other maternal with different X chromosomes active), if just one of a woman's X chromosomes is "healthy" it can prevent the expression of most X-linked diseases. Males, however, who have a "sick" X chromosome will inevitably be affected, as they have no "back-up" X chromosome from a "healthy"cell line." - Psychology Today

"Women now have higher IQs than men for the first time since records began – and new research has revealed that the two sexes’ brains are wired completely differently.

The blue lines in the brains above show that men have more network connections within hemispheres while the orange inter-hemisphere links are more prevalent in the brains of women.

Some researchers think the demands of juggling family life and building a career may have made women more intelligent.

Others believe that women always had the potential for higher results but are only just realising it now.

James Flynn, a world expert in IQ testing, said: “The complexity of the modern world is making our brains adapt and raising our IQ.

"But women’s have risen faster.”" - Mirror.CO.UK

I love this one ^^. Because it is officially proven that women have always been capable of being the more intelligent sex, but have been restricted due to our physical disadvantages to men.

"A recent article in TheAtlantic.com pointed out that hedge funds run by women make three times as much money as hedge funds run by men, and that companies with female CEOs outperform companies with male CEOs by nearly 50%.

The data is so compelling that, according to The Wall Street Journal, Barclay's Bank has set up a stock fund that invests in companies with a female CEO or a board of directors that is at least 25% female." - Inc.com

So there you have it. BOTH sexes have their own advantages, whether physical or mental. EVERYBODY deserves to be treated right dispite their advantages or disadvantages.

Men should not be allowed or even comfortable hitting a woman, and according to recent studies, women should not be allowed or comfortable arguing with a man,

It just isn't fair. ;)

[hellionthesage]

"Generally, women seem to have higher social and emotional intelligence than men; are less violent and aggressive; are almost never serial killers or sexual sadists; and are far safer drivers (sorry guys, but it's true). In fact, a recent "New York Times" piece noted that men are found to drive faster overall, ignore traffic laws more often, take more (and greater) risks and are involved in the majority of fatal crashes around the globe." - Psychology Today
On what grounds do they have higher social and emotional intelligence? Technicly speaking men have a higher overall intelligence compared to women. Males have 10% larger brains, greater quantity of grey matter and routinley score higher on IQ tests. Men are not more violent then women and infact according to the CDC 70% of all non reciprocal violence between intimate partners is perpetrated by women, 50% of reciprocal violence between intimate partners is perpetrated by women but while violence in a relationship for women is and indicator of violence in both past and future relationships, it isn't for men. 66% of deaths by child neglegence is perpetrated by the mother, about 50% of violence and abuse towards children is perpetrated by the mother while only about 40% of the time is the father involved. Your sexism is so incredibly blatant its disgusting. As for the size diffrence, the fact that violence is initated by the women does in fact determine whether or not the man was justified in hitting back, just because as a society we tell men it is not alright to hit a woman and that we don't tell women its not allright to hit a man does not mean that a man defending himself is wrong. The only reason why most women hit men is because there confident that they won't hit back. The greater frequency of accidents is because there are significantly more male drivers then females, males tend to travel farther for work then women and it is very frequently the case that when a man is with his girlfriend/wife he is the one to drive not her. Make believe statistics don't mean a thing. Stop acting like an entitled sexist bitch and start acting like a descent human being. Your dispicable and you honestly should feel embaressed by what your saying. Just because your a woman doesn't make your statments any less sexist.
https://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/

[Ghosty]

Preach brotha :)

[Bookwik]

How am I only seeing your posts now? You create gold.

[hellionthesage]

@Bookwik Well I do what I can, glad you liked it.

[checkyesjulietx]

i think it's also worth mentioning that most female-on-male domestic violence is massively underreported due to the culture of toxic masculinity where males are expected to repress their emotions and not speak about their problems. women shouldn't hit men either, unless they have a very good reason to and vice versa. that's equality.

[hellionthesage]

"toxic masculinity" is probably the most offensive term you can use, its sexist. Its got nothing to do with masculinity if a women beats on a man. It has to do with a legal system and a society that believes only men can do wrong and women are always the victim. I would appreciate it if you didn't refer to my gender or its traits as "toxic", you would not tolerate that if it was used for you so please be respectful. Your use of the term in fact just perpetuates this stereotype of men being inferior to women.

[ruskodisco]

let me get this straight, females are abusing males and you admit this.
then you blame it on mens "toxic masculinity"?
what does mens masculinity do with a female deciding to attack a man?
your logic is vile.

[checkyesjulietx]

@hellionthesage you misunderstood. The culture of 'toxic masculinity' refers to one in which many men choose to bottle up their emotions and not talk about the issues they might be facing (in this case domestic abuse). My point was that the take owner completely ignored the flip side of the argument - I'm simply explaining why these cases are underrated and thus why it perpetuates the image that women can't do anything wrong. My point was that a woman beating a man is just as bad despite the fact many people don't see it that way. Please don't take offence as I'm pretty sure we largely agree on this issue

[checkyesjulietx]

@ruskodisco no you haven't got that straight lol. My point was that the take owner overlooked the flip side (woman-on-man beating) and I simply pointed out the reason why these cases are so underreported (so people don't see it as a big issue when it is). Im not blaming it on anything, my point is that both are just as bad and they should be taken equally seriously no matter which party is the perpetrator.

[skykidx1]

100% right

[hellionthesage]

Men don't speak because our society has inacted laws that prohibit it. We are the "primary agressors" there fore any attempt to prove we were the victims is ignored. It has nothing to do with men being unable to express emotions. Men express emotions all the time, as a man I can vouch for that. Just because they don't do it the way women do doesn't mean its "toxic", it means that we do things diffrentley and that diffrence should be respected not derided as toxic. That is your ignorance speaking. If you know men and actually look at them as fully functional human beings from the start you realize that we are no more inferior to women then women are to men. Just because were diffrent does not mean we should change to suit your mentalitiy/beliefs. Thats why it is sexist, because you can only make that statment if you initially believe men are some how defective. When the law persecutes men, they will naturally remain silent, the same goes for rape and most crimes that women commite.

[checkyesjulietx]

I don't know about American laws so I'm not sure what you're referring to. But I think the two are related. The law may naturally recognise women as victims because men don't report abuse nearly as much. It's a chicken egg scenario.

Watch this: www.independent.co.uk/.../...-at-him-10246296.html . When I saw it, it got me thinking. People laugh at male victims. They see a man stripped of his masculinity because he spoke out about the abuse. Please don't deny the fact that this is a societal problem just as much as a legal one

[checkyesjulietx]

@hellionthesage

[checkyesjulietx]

Thanks @skykidx1

[hellionthesage]

"People laugh at male victims. They see a man stripped of his masculinity because he spoke out about the abuse." How does this prove masculinity is toxic? Is this not the point I was making, we have a legal system that paints men as the ones who are violent, a society (thats both men and women) that mocks men who suffer and there fore every man instinctively knows not to say anything because they will not be believed by society and most likely accused of being the perpetrator not the victim. If both men and women are responsible for this situation how can you claim its purely a masculin problem which is precisely what your doing when you say "toxic masculinity". That would be like saying this entire take was a sign of toxic femininity. Your accusation that it is toxic masculinity is whats known as victim blaming, its mens fault for not talking about the violence yet you provided a link that showed exactly what happens when they do step forward. Its sexist. whether or not you believe it.

[checkyesjulietx]

I've explained my point and you continue to misunderstand. Im not calling masculinity itself toxic - I'm not going to explain again. @hellionthesage

[hellionthesage]

I do understand what your saying. What I am saying is you are wrong and obviousley not thinking your argument through. All I asked was that you not make sexist remarks thats it.

[checkyesjulietx]

It's a different perspective. It's not "wrong" - we can agree to disagree. I don't think what I said was sexist and I have thought my argument through thoroughly so I'm sorry if I haven't articulated it as well as I could have. I still stand by everything I said @hellionthesage

[Mesonfielde]

Well, if she hits me, then there is no guarantee that I won't hit back.

If you think you are so much weaker, then WHY THE HELL DO GIRLS THINK THEY CAN BE HITTING GUYS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

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Honestly, I think those who physically harass guys because they think women have "immunity" because they're "weak" deserve the punch in the face that they get once guys have enough of their sexist bullshit agenda.

[OlderAndWiser]

1. Most importantly, you never addressed the question of whether it is "fair" or acceptable for a woman to hit a man. Are you interested in having people treat each other with dignity and respect or is this more about demonizing men (which seems to be the favorite pastime of some women.) Why aren't you fussing at women who hit men? If women stop hitting men, it eliminates the "justification" that some of the Neanderthals use when hitting women.

2. You should never quote Psychology Today or the Mirror as an authoritative source for any statement of fact. They each have their biases and neither has any pretense of representing all of the facts in a comprehensive, fair, and impartial fashion.

[Nicole9356]

How are they bias?

[Nicole9356]

And what do you recommend as an accurate source?

[OlderAndWiser]

They are biased because they exist to make a profit. They have an identified audience and they want to publish things that appeal to their audience. They are the print equivalent of Entertainment Tonight.

Academic journals tend to be less biased, but the safest thing to do is to look for numerous sources for a statement instead of believing a statement from a single source.

You still haven't addressed the problem of why so many women think it is perfectly acceptable to slap or hit a man when they get angry.

[Nicole9356]

Everything exists to make a profit... so if the article claiming men are smarter is bias because it exists to make a profit, can you specifically list credible sources of journals that not bias? Because it sounds like you're making this stuff up just to prove your point and win an argument... kind of childish really. However, if you can provide credible sources I would love to retract that starment! Also, most mature woman do not think it is acceptable to hit a man, let alone anyone. Putting your hands on anyone out of anger is not ok. Therefore I can't address your concern because other than the handful of women who feel a sense of entitlement, your belief is invalid. Now, maybe your speaking from experience? In which case I would think that would make you partial to this belief and therefore make you unfit to continue this conversation...
I do hope I'm wrong though...

[OlderAndWiser]

There is political bias in social/psychological research: "Sociopolitical diversity in psychology: The case for pluralism." Redding, Richard E., American Psychologist, Vol 56(3), Mar 2001, 205-215.

"Fixing the Problem of Liberal Bias in Social Psychology." Valdesolo, Piercarlo, Scientific American, May 5, 2015, at www.scientificamerican.com/.../

Everything does not exist to make a profit; there are many non-profit agencies and institutions. But profit is not the only source of potential bias.

I did not claim that all of the statements you made were untrue; I only said that your sources were suspect.

If I may paraphrase you, "Most mature men do not think it is acceptable to hit a woman, let alone anyone." Therefore, this problem does not need to be discussed? You can say that mature women don't do this but that doesn't mean that this problem doesn't happen. In fact, I have seen girls slap guys much more frequently than I have ever observed a guy hit a girl, but that is just my personal observation.

Unfit?

[Nicole9356]

I said most mature "woman" do no think it is acceptable to put their hands on a "man" let alone anyone. Please learn to read carefully when you reply as it creates unnecessary confusion. Also that article sounded pretty bias to me...

[OlderAndWiser]

Look up the word "paraphrase."

You think the Scientific American article was biased?

Almost all of the articles are potentially biased. That's why I said you shouldn't rely on one single source for any fact.

And you STILL have not said anything about women who slap, hit, or kick men. Or should we forget about it because that never really happens?

[Nicole9356]

My friend that is was not paraphrasing, that was twist of my words for your pathetic argument. Paraphrasing? Ha! It means something completely different when you say most mature men vs most mature women... do not think it's acceptable to hit a woman vs do not think it is acceptable to hit a man. Two different things, two different meanings. Please learn how to read and accept your mistakes rather than trying to cover over them with bogus statements that have no bearing on what the actual conversation is about. Also, that starment in itself addressed your question. And if you knew how to read without thinking of your next reply you would see where I said it is not acceptable for women or men to put their hands on anyone. And that most women do NOT think it is ok. I can't speak for those who do because I'm not one of them. Hopefully you read this and understand it because don't have patience for people who can't keep up. Goodbye.

[OlderAndWiser]

One definition of paraphrasing is "a rewording of something written or spoken by someone else."

Most women do not think it is okay to hit a man. Okay. Most men don't think it is okay to hit a woman. So what?

"I can't speak for those who do because I'm not one of them." You're not one of the guys who hit women but you managed to address that topic.

"Hopefully you read this and understand it because don't have patience for people who can't keep up." If you can't win an argument on the merits, just say ugly things about your opponent. I guess that proves that you're just a sweet, demure woman. How wonderful! Goodbye!

[RJGraveyTrain]

It might not be fair for a man to beat a woman, however, I do believe in the right to self defense. If a woman is hitting or beating a man, by law, he has a right to do what he has to defend himself, which is a moment where I feel it is alright assuming he doesn't use excessive force. The amount of force applied should match the amount of force given and the goal should be to escape the situation. If a woman is hitting you, you have the right to push her away and flee. If she is literally beating you, you have a right to hit her back. That's just me, I don't think men should hit women unnecessarily due to the physical difference, but I don't think we should remove their right to defend themselves: women have to be held responsible for choosing to assault a man who has the ability to hurt her in return in self defense.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Also, I should say that this seems more like a man-bashing take and like you're trying to put them down. I wouldn't consider you gender equal at all.

[Touglyforfemales]

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[SweetAndSassy14]

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[AllThatSweetJazz]

Wow. I wasn't sure I'd ever see a full blown stereotypical feminist on here but there you are. You made no claims to being a feminist but I'm going to bet that you consider yourself one.

1. Nobody here thinks it's ok to just hit a woman (or anyone for that matter), you're the only one saying people think it's ok by not mentioning that the GaG questions include "in self-defense," and your comment about "equal physical brutality" implies that it's ok for men to hit men... No, just no. You're the sexist here.

2. There's more than one kind of 'equality.' To put it bluntly, I think yours is the shit kind.

3. You've already implied that it's ok for a man to be hit by anyone, not cool. But you think that +50% strength is significant to your argument? If a woman is allowed to hit me at say half strength, then an equal amount of force from me is one third strength. If you're going to use strength as a reason then you're permitting men to use a proportional amount of strength, not stopping the hitting of anyone.

4. Most of this is essentially amounts to female supremacist propaganda. What do the points in the second half of the Take share and how do they all relate back to why it's not ok to hit - as opposed to anyone - a woman? "Woman greater than man," which is not acceptable.

Just look at the James Flynn thing. The reason he offers for why humans in general tend to be doing better on IQ tests is that we're now exposed to more hypothetical thinking, we're taught differently in schools so we approach the world differently and can solve more abstract problems. Flynn himself reigned in the media's interpretation of what he said. Women were doing much worse until now and they are only slightly ahead in one test (Raven's Progressive Matrices) and he attributed this to women being more included in society and being modernized, trying to diminish the small distinctions found between men and women that the media ran away with. I can just as easily look at this and claim that men are naturally smarter without education but men and women are brought up to the same level in modern society. You just picked from anything that sounded favorable to women - and you claim to speak for gender equality? I think I speak for most people when I say pfft.

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[Spotme]

I'm so tired of women who gets so stuck up on men's "unfair" physicality that they have to try to claim mentality and intelligence as their own genders victory. Physicality has nothing to do with mentality, so stop trying to balance out your equation by mixing them together to make you seem unbiased. if you try to google intellect in favor of men as hard as you did for women, then you will find a ton of articles where they "prove" that men are more intelligent in some and more areas. You said "So there you have it. BOTH sexes have their own advantages, whether physical or mental. EVERYBODY deserves to be treated right dispite their advantages or disadvantages." which I agree with and which is the only thing this text really needed. Everything else just seems like a bitter rant from a woman desperate to win one for the team.

Furthermore it seems like your issue with men hitting women isn't as much about men hitting women as it is "big" hitting "small". A big strong man hitting a small skinny man would feel the same blow. But all in all, any adult that hits another person should be prepared to get hit right the f*ck back.

[Jay-Are]

You're speaking with a guy who was hit by a woman. Her punch came out of nowhere and crushed my eye. I needed an operation and it took two years to fully heal. I could have easily hit her back but luckily for her I was able to control myself.

I don't think it's fair to hit a woman. But I also think it's not fair to hit anyone (unless in self defense).

That 30% rule doesn't hold up. Let me give you two examples.

1st Example: If Ronda Rousey would hit you the chances would be big you would not write this. She is 30% stronger than you. And since she is a professional fighter she knows how to pick apart in 5 seconds. Would you still say she's a woman and i will not hit back?

2nd example. If I walked up to a guy 30% stronger than me and started hitting him I would definitely lose. But nobody would tell that guy "Hey, you should no have hit him back. You are 30% stronger than him". What people would say to me is "Are f**king insane!!! That guy was much stronger than you".

Saying one group can hit but another can't hit is not equality at all. It should be the same for everybody. And we all need to own up to your own actions. A man should not hit a woman and woman should not hit a man. But if you do... be prepared to face the consequences

[Nicole9356]

Sorry about your bad experience :-(

[Anonymous]

If a girl hits or slaps a guy once, he should inform her that hitting isn't cool, it's immature and it needs to stop, and that if she continues there will be some form or negative repercussions coming her way i. e. time apart/breakup, involvement of police or security, telling her parents about her childish behavior (and her having to deal with their disappointment :o), even something as simple and silly as giving her the silent treatment for a couple days after she smartens up and apologizes.

If the girl continues to hit /slap the guy, I think he should remove himself from the situation if possible. If not possible I believe he has the right to physically restrain her from causing him more harm. Once restrained, ask her to say out loud that she won't hit him again if he let's her go, and then let her go after she say it.

If she still persists after being restrained and let go, (keeping in mind we're now in a situation where the guy can't remove himself from problem) the guy should call the police/ alert security ( depending on where you are and what the situation is) and let them deal with it. It's their job and they deal with it every day.

Now, if the girl hit's the guy hard enough that she gives him a bad black eye, busts a lip, breaks a nose, or knocks a tooth out, I personally believe a guy now has the right to hit her back with equal force. I'm talkin' one hit here though, not beating the ever-loving-shit out of her. Give her what she gave you and she'll probably learn her lesson and not bother you again. I'm not saying that's what you SHOULD do, but I think at this point you now have the right to do that.

After that, if she's STILL coming at you, I believe standard "fight to the death" rules apply. Have a couple friends fashion some spears out of sticks gathered from a local park, then form a tight circle around the two of you. Two people enter. One person leaves. Winner flees to Mexico to escape persecution, losers body is thrown into a pool of sharks with fricken laser beams attatched to their heads. (This last paragraph was a joke, for those too daft to tell)

One last note; All instances that I referred to a girl could be interchanged with another guy. Equality, bitch. *Drops mic*

[existing_not_living]

Thank you! At least for the part about a man hitting a woman. I am strongly against that and am disappointed in the way SOME men/boys think these days - especially regarding physically harming a woman. I agree that it is wrong for a woman to hit a man too. Violence is never the answer and even if someone throws the first punch, then you need to get the hell out of there and walk away from a potential fight. It's not worth it.

If it's for self-defense then I do understand, but most men would likely be able to overpower a woman and if they do then they should find a way to restrain her and get help. I understand that it's not always easy to get out of a situation, but don't be so uptight and making up all these excuses about when it's okay. Yes, self defense I will say is a viable reason, but get over that part and think about all the other times when it would not be acceptable.

I'm getting really sick of this whole "gender equality" shit. Yes, I do believe that things should be equal among both genders, but making everything equal isn't right in my opinion. Some things should stay the same. Like I said, neither gender should hit the other. That is not acceptable in my book, but I'm getting sick of people saying that 'Oh, it's okay for a guy to hit a girl.' How about instead of saying that, you say that 'It's not okay for a girl to hit a guy.' This way we can solve the problem by making people aware of the abuse that some women put men through and how it's not okay for girks's to be able to hit boy's while the boy's gets punished for hitting girl's, BUT we aren't allowing for it to be okay for the boy's to start hitting girl's. All this is doing is making the problem worse.

[blondfrog]

But she said that a man doesn't have a right to hti a woman back if she hits him that's what the my taker writer said.

[Vesuvius87]

@blondfrog no one has the right to hit just for the sake of hitting when your life isn't in danger. Hitting back just to hit because you're upset someone slap you isn't self-defense.

[blondfrog]

Well than that's not equal rights its a selective choice of what you want equal means the same evenly just cause a woman is emotionally hurt doesn't mean she has the right to hit a man @Vesuvius87 us men are emotional too its just that society tells us to hide it.

[Vesuvius87]

equal rights doesn't mean using it as an excuse to hit someone whenever you want to or playing the childish ''but you started first'' world. Self-defense means you do what you have to do if your life or that of someone else is threatened. For instance if a woman or man is coming towards you with a knife and you lay them out by punching them once, then that's self-defense.

[Aden19]

Im not going to lie it gives me a strange satisfaction in hitting a woman back who EXPECTS me not to hit her because she has an extra pair of lip between her legs. If a woman hits me and is a true feminist id maybe allow her but those girls that EXPECT this advantage will be shocked.
In my opinion if someone hits you your allowed to hit back using the same force. Its a primary school argument to suggest that because your feeling emotional it somehow gives you the right to strike someone. What I find amusing is how when a Girl is feeling 'emotional' and angry with her female freind 100% of the time she knows she can't strike her because girls are allowed to hit girls. So to demonstrate self control when you prefer is immature. I remember this year a freind of mine called a girl in our class a prostitute (it was justified) and I said something similar she smacked my freind but did nothing to me because she knew my views on hitting girls. What I find ridiculous is when girls say he isn't a real man for hitting a girl... But ignore the fact she isn't acting like a LADY.
Equal rights means equality in every wayyy. Some girls want the perks of tradition (Chivalry) and the perks of equality. GUESS WHAT WITH EQUALITY COMES RESPONSIBILITY...
I've noticed that if you mention that you wouldn't take a woman hitting you they never hit you whereas the guys who get slapped regularly never assert themselves.

[GirlsLie]

"Equal rights means equality in every wayyy. Some girls want the perks of tradition (Chivalry) and the perks of equality. GUESS WHAT WITH EQUALITY COMES RESPONSIBILITY... "

What a psycho lol

[Aden19]

No offence but you are what I call 'a typical woman'. You can't handle the logical arguments I present so instead resort to becoming emotional. If a pshyco for you is someone who is rational aswell as intellectual then I guess I am. For a 27yr old I would have expected maturity and some intellect on your behalf but I guess you lack the education you so evidently need.

[throwit]

"Allowed to hit back using the same force"
Thing is, when a girl slaps a guy he will either slap back HARDER or PUNCH her back. a slap that barely makes a guys head turn is not justification to punch a girl to the floor.

[Aden19]

If your worried that they'll hurt you dont raise your hand. If a woman was slapped by a man and she punched him I doubt you'd raise an eyebrow. @throwit why is it that you dont see women slapping other women for petty reasons? it's because they know the other woman would hit back lol.
In my opinion some bitches need stitches not that I would do it myself. In my honest opinion once you threaten someonelses personal safety you can't complain about there reaction.
Would the average man punch a Professional fighter because he was rude or aannoying... NO. Because US guys have been taught right to not hit anyone...
Even if a man is likely to hit you HARDER like you say isn't that even more of a reason to not attack?
Just like she overeacted by slapping him for making a rude comment he overreacted by hitting harder. You dont see ppeople saying HOW DARE SHE HIT HIM... @throwit dont hit a guy because they could be llike me and hurt you.

[throwit]

You've never seen two girls fighting? They go for hair, punching the others head, slapping, kicking etc..
If a girl slaps a guy they probably know each other and are fighting kver their relationship or something. Usually the guy will say something hurtful and since the girl knows she can't say anything back that will "hurt his feelings" the way he hurt hers she slaps him. If a guy lightly slaps back then fine. But in a situation like that a punch from a man is completely uncalled for.

And it's hard to say "how dare she hit him" when he goes and punches her right after. Then the only thing people are thinking is "how dare he hit her" since he hit harder

[Nicole9356]

It's not ok for men or women to hit each other period. No one has a right to put their hands on anyone unless it's in self defense. If a woman wants to hit a man without any force being used back then I'm sorry but she is the one with a problem...

[thetundrawolf]

I agree with you to a point.

Women are becoming more brazen, more violent, and more evil today. This is due to the gender equality lie you are purporting.

Why is it a lie? Because as women, you cannot do the work we do. Why would we consider you equal? You cannot perform the labor intensive tasks as long as a man can... why would we consider you equal? That's just the obvious, external differences, but there are mental ones, too.

I am NOT saying men are superior to women mentally, but there ARE differences there are strengths and weaknesses, and we were designed to COMPLIMENT each other not COMPETE with one another.

If a woman does not want to get hit, do not attack a man, do not kick his balls, do not punch his face, do not scratch, bite, punch or kick us. I personally have stood by a door while a drunk woman thrashed at me and punched me because she wanted to drive, with her son, somewhere.

I did not hit her back. She thanked me the next day. However, not all men are like me. Some men would kick her down the stairs.

In short, women, if you do not want to face a man who could potentially kill you just by punching you hard enough, do NOT engage a man violently or hit, kick, etc him. Not all men are honorable. But if you attack us men, it might not end well for you.

Any man who hits, strikes, grabs, or makes a woman feel helpless when she has done nothing physical to him is not a man at all, but an intimidator, a coward, one who must injure someone weaker to make himself feel stronger.

[Nicole9356]

This is a very reasonable and modest way of looking at some of these issues, thanks for posting!

[thetundrawolf]

Thank you. As I said I have been struck by a woman and thrashed at, it is not easy to just stand there and take it. But I know what it feels like to be helpless, too. I was abused physically when I was very young, I understand how it feels to be a victim. Men are supposed to protect women. That is why our gut instincts are always to shelter a woman and protect her. Any man who violates a woman's trust in him is flawed at his core, in my opinion. Again, thank you for your kind words.

[Anonymous]

I will most likely have people disagree with me but this is just my opinion and nothing more. I don't claim it's "right", it's just how I personally feel. Take it for what it is.

As far as this take, I simply don't think it's right for anyone to put their hands on anyone. Period. There is no excuse not to use your words like the adult you should be. If you are in the presence of someone impossible to talk to, walk away.

I don't agree with the mentality we as women are weaker, therefore we can get away with laying a hand on someone. Don't dish it if you can't take it. You don't go to a zoo and poke a fucking lion and cry when it mauls your face.

I don't feel we can be 100% "equal" for many of the reasons you have listed above, and many more reasons.

One example of this is yes, we should be equal and have the right to do any job we choose. No one person regardless of gender should be limited in their life. But say a petite woman decides to be a cop. Yes she is capable of doing a lot of good in society. Say one day she runs into a man that's 6'0 or taller on some kind of drug. So he's belligerent, difficult for more than one man of his own size to hold down... and he severely hurts her? YES she CAN do anything she wants but no she CANNOT necessarily take on EVERYTHING a man can.

We (men AND women) have our limits, we have our advantages, and we have our disadvantages. They are not a choice. They are as much of a choice as our gender itself.
(Don't start a gender argument with me about gender choice XD I'm speaking as how you come out of the womb.) haha.

[biguy85]

I've only ever slapped a woman once after she took a way below the belt stab at my family and I and then attacked me with a huge kitchen knife. I don't condone hitting women. There are some women that think they can say or do whatever they want because a man is not supposed to react, so they think it won't happen. Then there are women who secretly want the abuse because of some kind of psychological damage. I would say it is wrong to hit anyone depending on the reason. Self defense is a viable reason. I don't know if I was right in slapping the one woman I ever have. The fight got worse after that. I get to a point when I am about to physically fight someone where I start shaking because I am about to lose. When that happened I told her she had better get in her car and go, because I was about to snap. At one point she saw the look on my face and her provocative sneer turned to a scared look and she did in fact leave. We made up later on and there are no hard feelings. Is that domestic abuse or just a fight between 2 crazy mothafuckas?

[heavensgift2girls]

Wow! This take is one of the most sexist things I have ever read. An adults strength and size does not make it any more wrong to hit them than someone else, just because they are stronger. If it is wrong to hit a weak person, then it is equally as wrong to hit the stronger person.

Telling men it is wrong to hit women, tells women they can get away with bullying and mistreating men as there will be no consequence for her bullying. Women bullying men has gotten so bad even few women can stomach seeing their male loved ones abused by such sexist ideals anymore. Women commonly make up for the lack of strength by use of a weapon, surprise attacks, and dirty fighting techniques. Meanwhile the guy either has to just tolerate being victimized badly do to his gender, or has to fight back.

If a person attacks me, regardless of their gender or strength I will defend myself. What a person shouldn't do is to take the fight further than it needs to go. Meaning if you don't need to use a weapon, or inflict a bad injury, then don't do it. Gender does not factor into the morality of violence at all. No one should have to tolerant being attacked just because of their gender, or physical differences.

Women are not more intelligent than men, and any study showing that can't be trusted as it clearly has an agenda. Men and women are better at certain tasks, but we all know that men strongly out perform women in a number of areas that feminists ignore, as they claim women are discouraged from going down those paths. Then these same feminists try to claim the areas women do better in is proof of a woman's intelligence while pretending like men aren't discouraged from those paths. This is a clear double standard caused by their sexism against men.

[Nicole9356]

That article about women being smarter was written by a man...

[heavensgift2girls]

@Nicole9356 So? I didn't say a woman wrote it. Not all feminists are women.

[ThatBlackMan]

Wow heavensgift2girls!!! You blocked me so I couldn't respond to you're illogical and incorrect statement? How pathetic!

That was from nicole man, not me. I thought I might as well post her thoughts for her by copying and pasting them from her opinion... what is up with you puss***? Making the rest of us men look bad!! S***!!!

[heavensgift2girls]

I blocked her after reading this.

Anonymous "So, you believe men are evil and stupid. Noted."
Nicole9356 "Predominantly speaking..."

She is sexist and don't want to have to deal with people like that in the future. It has nothing to do with trying to dodge a single reply. I have blocked men for making similar sexist comments about women in the past as well. Those types of people just aren't worth my time.

[heavensgift2girls]

@ThatBlackMan If I don't like someone, I am not going to just sit there and listen to them spew hatred out their mouths.

[AleDeEurope]

You start by explaining the definition of gender equality and then say a man should never, hnder any circumstances, hit a woman, which means not even if she hits him first.
Wow, you're pathetic. Typical 16 year old conceited girl that bitches about how she's treated unfairly by society but then demands certain benefits just because she's a woman.
Why don't you shut up and educate yourself? If you plan on hitting someone, get ready to get smacked back, it's what's fair. If you don't wanna get smacked, don't hit anyone.
I'm fucking tired of the amount of women today screaming for gender equality but still wanna be entitled to stuff because of their gender. If you want gender equality, apply it to every situation.

This Take was pure garbage and nonesense.

[Mesonfielde]

Nice! *thumbs up*

[Anonymous]

Under that logic, if men are "never" allowed to hit a woman (like, EVER, like, it's NEVER okay, EVER) ... because men are physically stronger than women...

Then, since "women are more emotionally and socially intelligent" than men... is it EVER okay for a woman to express her opinion or argue with a man? After all, it's it inherently unfair? Won't she just easily emotionally and socially overpower him and manipulate him?

Unless, of course, you're saying that it's "okay" for one boxer to fight with both hands free, for as long as the physically stronger boxer has both hands tied behind his back.

Can we please amend or supplement our criminal and penal laws to include "emotional abuse" as a crime... like, "real" emotional abuse, not just "He cheated on me" or "He didn't listen to me and it hurt my feelings." Can there be like an "Attempted Emotional Manipulation in the Second Degree" or "Aggravated Malicious Infliction of Emotional Distress"?

I wonder if "emotional" harm was as "criminal" as physical harm, how many women we would end up seeing in prisons.

Just some food for thought.

[Anonymous]

I believe in gender equality, and I do appreciate your effort. There's a lot of room for improvement, but considering you're only 16, there's also time for that improvement to take place. I guess it's still better than not caring about social issues at your age at all.
To keep the criticism short, you're trying to use a list of gender differences as an argument for gender equality. I fail to see the logic in that.
The long answer is this: First of all, I've never met a guy who thought it was okay to hit women (except in self-defense) because of gender equality. In fact, men being physically stronger only ever serves as an argument for women to abuse men and get away with it because "men can handle it". Second, your argument about women having higher IQs is as unscientific as it gets. Or rather, your sources are. If you knew anything about the subject, you'd know that the whole idea of IQ tests is highly controversial. Also, IQ tests are always optimized so that 100 will be average. If women score higher than men, it only means that the system is optimized in their favor. Attributing a suddenly higher female IQ to the social changes of the last 50 years can only be bullshit because evolution is just not that fast. And companies with female CEOs making more money can only prove that greedy capitalism is inherently feminine.
Note that I don't actually believe these sexist things. I just wanted to show you how easy it is to take a biased source and twist it into something sexist. Again, I believe we should be equal. I know everyone says that, and most have no idea what they're talking about. Please be one of the few who mean it.

[takumii]

I believe this take is misleading and incorrect. But for the sake of fun, let's just play this game with your rules.
"Generally, women seem to have higher social and emotional intelligence than men"
"Women now have higher IQs than men for the first time since records began"
"But women’s have risen faster.”"
So, women do use the social intelligence against us, the mind games, the manipulation, the emotional blackmailing.. Men are 4 times more likely than women to get stress related disorders.. Mymy, i might have just figured out why.

When women can use their ADVANTAGES against us, then how is it not fair for us to use our physical advantages against them?

Do you believe in God, I don't but if you do, you'll have to agree that God, didn't make us the same, if he wanted us to have equal rights, he would had made us equal. That's like demanding equal rights for chicken, coz they're different.
Inb4right2vote4chickens

Men and Women were meant to co-exist and not compete, but this superficial ego boost provided by feminist takes have screwed up the mentality of us people. And I truly believe that equality is somewhat required for their co-existence, but you guys have pulled that string too far.

[myTake Owner]

You are just claiming that women do that, where is your evidence that women purposely use their intelligence against you? We have been trying to gain equality for decades but somehow you think we've been the ones on the upper hand of the spectrum?
And does a woman being intelligent risk your life? Does it put you in hospital? Does it break your bones?

What does religion have to do with this? This is a conflict of man, not faith. But if you want to go there, in my opinion, God DID make us equal, in different ways. Women are built to carry and care for children, we are proven to be more intelligent given equal rights, and are more emotionally capable than men. Men are strong, they can protect the woman and children, they are more aggressive, and the natural hunters. We are built for one another, it's a perfect balance of equality.

[myTake Owner]

All that being said, men were built to PROTECT women, and women were built to RAISE men. Isn't a man hitting a woman defeating these purposes?

[takumii]

"You are just claiming that women do that, where is your evidence that women purposely use their intelligence against you?"
I am not claiming anything, People experience it everyday, just because we don't have bruises to show does not mean that it's not true.
"And does a woman being intelligent risk your life? Does it put you in hospital? Does it break your bones?"
Well, having ASD or PTSD is worse than getting beaten up, because it doesn't heal naturally. So, I am not sure if you have a valid point there.

For the last para , i have a very wonderful monologue for you.
Lions are strong, the have powerful claws, huge build, the chase the deers, they kill them , they eat them. Vultures are cunning, they are agile, they are fast, they are scavengers, they clean up the mess lions make and help clean the ecosystem. They are build for one another, it's a perfect balance of equality.
Moral : : Lions = vultures... GG WP

[myTake Owner]

If a woman can do that much to you by her intelligence then you must have a very weak mind.
That second paragraph made no sense, so I'll let you continue more with that nonsense if you like.

[takumii]

Well you said it yourself , women are more intelligent , so yes, comparitively i do have a weaker mind.

Well, my point in the second paragraph is you can't just tell different attributes about them and in the blanket of 'they are made for each other' claim that they are equal. I thought you must be good with metaphors, considering the fact that you are more intelligent.

Also you seem a little baffled. I also noticed that you completely avoided my statement, "When women can use their ADVANTAGES against us, then how is it not fair for us to use our physical advantages against them?" as if you agree with it.

[skykidx1]

I have no comment on this take what so ever but man are not reboots we are not prefect we have feels too. I do understand most women hit out of anger/sadness or its emotional. so why can't man slap a women out of anger or letting there emotionals get the better of them? I I'm one of the few here with a really bad anger problems but I would never hit a girl that most I have ever done or would do out of anger is angery kisses or hugs lol. no but really just like some girls let there emotionals get the better of them guys do too and girls saying there disappointed in how man think here it's just said... really is like I have stated man or not reboots the main emotional we feel is anger because we can never show our emotions why? because this world puts down any man that god forbid what's too have a good cry I even seen som. Case willwomen will call a man a little bitch for showing how he feels... so I say we not real Equal... women can express their feels openly man can't. Pss I expect 100% more out of women then I do man Because I know women are 100% stronger then this sexiest this right here yes women are small n weaker then man but that's what? women are also a lot faster n a hell of a lot more Flexible I seen ma. Girl's beat up man hal. Their size and I'm not taken about some mma fighter but a everyday women that took self-defense classes which you can count on the fact all my kids will be learning self-defense.

[myTake Owner]

"I have no comment on this whatsoever"
*writes a novel about it*

[skykidx1]

Lol I was bored

[Phoenix98]

Lol -shakes head- words could not even describe what I am thinking after reading this.

And FYI true equality will never exist also women are at the point were you will be as equal as you can be, the feminist movement in the United States is over, anything that remains is about superiority.

Also if a women just simply tries to hit me she will be retrained ( no punching ) and if I have to defend myself agaisnt a women then there will be no restraint and she will be hit back. Simple as that as soon as the first punch is thrown gender goes out the window.

It may not be fair it may be wrong but suck it up that's how life works, life isn't fair never has been never will be.

Also men randomly hitting women is no wear near as common as you might think in fact it rarely ever happens to the point were it is not even worth mentioning.

[Phoenix98]

Lol sorry were not wear.