Does she seem so strong, independent and confident smacking her disrespectful ex husband?
"He deserved it for how he treated her!"
What if the roles were reversed? Would he be a strong, indepent, confident man for hitting her while confined / disabled in a wheelchair?
In fact, when I went to find images of men hitting a woman in the same manner, the only things that mostly appeared were "abuse" or sexual oriented BDSM type things. The serious slaps were still women hitting men - (though my search words were 'man hits woman'.)
Its glorified for a woman to hit a man, but unequal in a sense that men can not slap the hell out of some rabid shrew, in the same manner.
I use "shrew" to indicate women who are being abusive / unruly in a sense of being a threat to him or his family. Or, who "deserves" it for treating their male counterpart so disrespectfully.
Issues of this double-standard:
1.) "Women are taught to fear men"
*Impressing that men can not hit a woman, reinforces the idea that women should fear men. *Women would learn to defend themselves, not assuming all men will keep that pseudo-boundary.
2.) Encourages violence against men, takes away their voice: *Even police officers have defended a shrew for assault, assuming it was the man at fault. *Men are judged as always wrong for hitting a gal, even if it was necessary.
"A real man NEVER hits a woman."
3.) Men suffer psyche / emotional difficulty in dealing with abusive wives but having no leverage.
"Women are WEAKER so if she hits you it doesn't matter - be a MAN."
So its okay for a man to take abuse, but not a woman? In what dimension is that ethical and fair?
4.) Women are a dangerous threat too. *A woman killed her SO by pushing him down the stairs /stabbings /shootings/head trauma etc... *A woman can hurt or threaten a man's wife, child, pet or home. *She is a FAKING SHREW.
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STFU Starland, because 'A REAL man, never hits a woman!"
THANK. YOU. Who else sees this double-standard crap?
Only primitive ape people behave this way *sips tea*
IM BOUT TO GO REAL MISOGYNISTIC ON DAT ASS
No need to hurt a woman as the stronger sex. I will, however, slap a shrew if necessary...(explain)
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Women hit men when:
Angry (its his fault.) Slap for his sexual advances (he is a pig) Feel disrespected (cuz I can)
Reverse the Roles: He hits her when angry (abuse) He slaps her for touching his butt or going in for a kiss (rape) He feels disrespected and just hits her (an ass)
A girl on here was kissed intrusively by her bf's brother in which I said she should have slapped the hell out of him.
If swapped, itd be fair if he slapped her or shoved her off of him
For me, it isn't a matter of permission or equality. I refuse to hit or otherwise hurt girls, not because I'm not permitted to do so, but because it goes against my own personal principles. My principles aren't a matter of law, equality, or permission. They're the foundation I have established for myself that have made me who I am.
So I guess my stance on hitting women is more a matter of how I view myself rather than what's fair and what I can get away with doing.
Valid. I dont find it fair that men are subjected to it, but I personally dont thing violence is needed unless its necessary like self defense or getting out a bad situation. Other than that, why even push someone to the point of aggression?
I agree, though I've had girls to hit me for literally no reason than just venting or other minor irritations. Some people are just prone to violent behavior, both men and women. But that still doesn't justify doing it.
What would you do if a 20 year old woman who told her 5 year old son he was worthless, stupid and slapped him across the face, punched him and before she tried to punch him again a 23 year old dude stepped in, hit her and pushed her to the ground. Was this man wrong for hitting her?
@Dog19 I can't say whether it would be right or wrong, though if he was capable of pushing her to the ground, I think striking her would be unnecessary. If I were in that situation, I'd just step between them and, if necessary, push her down. I'm intimidating, and most *guys* won't cross me, much less girls. But if she was enraged or whatever and came at me, I'm capable of putting a woman on the ground and pin her without needing to strike her.
I don't think people should use any sort of violence unless it's absolutely necessary to protect one's self. Violence only breeds more violence. Rarely does it really solve confrontations. I've said it on here before, but I believe there's a lot more skill talking your way out of bad situations than throwing a good punch. Brains over Brawn. Manipulating situations to play in your favor, without dirtying your hands.
I don't have the slightest explanation for it either. Hell... I work with someone who posts videos of herself beating people up. That's nothing to be proud of, yet she thinks it's hilarious.
It depends on the individual and the circumstances behind in. am I for violence? no. but in that diary of a mad black woman that man disrespected her and their child in so many ways. this shouldn't be a gender war this should simply be defined as right and being wrong. but no , no one should hit anyone
Yeah he actually was a genuine, grass fed shithead. I can't remember which Ty Perry movie it was in which the husband slapped his very shithead shrew wife across the counter.
If a woman is hitting a man he has every right to defend himself, no one should be hitting their partner period but if it happens a man should be allowed to defend himself and hit her back, there are a lot of unfair double standards for men and women this is just one of the more noticed ones
I am not that old only 33 year old, never hit a woman and never will, it's my choice and can take anyone's on that matter. If being hit by a woman! understand this that way many things has gone wrong from both sides. I am a gentleman, was a soldier, had my MMA training so i can hit and i can hurt people if i want to but i would never hurt anyone unless i have too
No one should be hitting anyone but you should have the right to defend yourself with reasonable force. It’s sad that a man can be the one assaulted, never raise a hand, and still be the one who goes to jail. It’s no different than if a much smaller guy came up and tried to start a fight with a much larger guy. If the smaller guy got pummeled you would say he deserved it for doing something stupid. If there is the same size and strength difference, but the smaller person is a woman, the outcome in court would be very different.
Uh, I don’t make everything about some gender war. The individuals & circumstances matter. If anybody got beat up for years & then turned the tables on the abuser I’m not going to loose sleep over it regardless of which gender is doing what.
It’s dishonest to say all opinions are welcome & then attack me because of my opinion but I guess everybody needs a hobby & it amuses you to do these things. Eh
"All people are welcome to come into this house-" Then someone getting upset that they are asked to go elsewhere for stating that they dont care for houses and take a camping stance.
Lol okay... if you aren't interested in being in said house, the door is -------->
Dont feel attacked lol Im just some random woman you will or maybe will know and not know it, in a world of 7 billion people, posting about a controversial topic I couldnt stop thinking about after watching the movie that gif was from.
It's because our neanderthal ancestors used to bash and rape their women and would kill those who resisted, causing the women who adapted and accepted this treatment to be selected for future generations to come. Now, thousands of years later, you women have the option of being liberated and counteracting this psychological imprint your oppressive past has marked you with but instead regress to wanting to be ravaged and dominated? It's so depressing that members of my gender have rewired the female brain to be aroused by mistreatment and that girls are satisfied remaining this way forever. Makes you lose hope in humanity.
Nature is raw like that lol. I could argue its not fair lions have to maul zebras to death, but there's complex processes going on way beyond our meager 4% logical grasping.
Women are raped still - even by non aggressive creepos that drug them to do it.
I don't get how you can see something clearly wrong with the way the world is and not care at all because you think that's just the way it's supposed to be. That nature is raw so we should allow it to shape us even for the worse. Even having 1% logical grasping should set off red flags in our minds. And it is unfair that lions have to maul zebras to death, but that's not something we can change or have any say in the matter so we should just accept it. But allowing your perceptions and thinking to be dictated by the wrongdoings of the people before you is a different story because it's something you can change. Or at least I would hope so. Yes, women are still raped, but you clearly denounce it yet accept that the same behaviour has influenced what turns you on? Doesn't that bother you?
I'm scrutinizing your readily acceptance of it instead of being alarmed or offended by it, given the dark origins that produced it. Yes, I blame the men but this should only make you revolt against the idea seeing as it was their lack of control and misogynistic pride that stuffed you up in the first place. Your fetish was given to you by misogynists, not men who respected women, so why does that not make you wish you didn't have it (which is different to me expecting you to change it)?
So if its nurture then: "to be selected for future generations to come" Natural selection takes several generations, if now that shift is happening, why are you giving our natured generation such a hard time?
I find aggression arousing... so what. I also think knife play is arousing, so what, now Im condoning murder?
In fact, I fought off a guy who tried to rape me, which means evolutionary wise, his advances were stopped lol and with our "liberation" selection will favor more submissive men.
That what you want? A bunch of Amazons lol?
Cuz you men are weak as hell this day and age.
Just need a good balance, not misogyny, nor feminism.
Liking aggressive traits does not support rape or brutality.
you're so smart, why are you making such a plastic argument?
No I think the shift happened a long time ago but that it's only now that it's becoming more mainstream and trendy.
I never made the claim that you were condoning murder or rape, I was simply pointing out your lack of being any bit objectionable after finding out you are the way you are because of these acts that you despise so much. I would have expected a girl to find that a disturbing thought.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your Amazon remark but if you're suggesting I want the roles to be reversed and have men be submissive towards aggressive females then that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't want sex to have anything to do with aggression one way or the other. I hate the word domination when it comes to sex, I like an equal playing field.
There's nothing wrong with having physical strength since it allows one to offer protection to those around him but I just don't get why you want him to direct his aggression towards you when you're pleasuring him rather than using it only towards attackers and the like in times of danger.
I don't get why if you have gentleness and kind treatment in everyday life you need to "balance" that with pain and humiliation. I don't see how that's healthy at all.
You don't support rape which I understand but you seem to have accepted that it's because of rape that you enjoy the things you do. That's still concerning from my point of view.
And you don't like misogyny yet allow your man to completely imitate what misogynists did to women thousand of years ago. That seems like a double standard.
Scrutinizing me over how I feel, is akin to scrutinizing a black person for not getting furious over our ancestors being slaves. What happened, happen. can't change the past or how its shaped the now, but we can use the now to focus on the future.
I dont cry over spilled milk because it achieves nothing. Lets say I did get all offended and freak out, what changes in the universe?
What Im curious about is why you want that reaction out of me?
And not physically weak, weak at the core. That goes for both genders. So afraid to be about something for fear of stepping on someones toes lol.
Even on this poll, the most voted answer was the most neutral, go with the flow. How does that affect anything? One guy out of 20 took the misogyny route and stirred the pot, which is how we butt heads to make resolution happen.
Only 2 people out of the entire forum took the opposite view.
Not really, it would be more akin to that if black people still persisted in wanting to be treated like a slave, which they don't. But women still crave being ravaged and dominated even though it no longer offers any survival advantage and is irrelevant. That's the difference. Isn't that what I'm saying though? The past is the past but we should act now to create a better future that is no longer tainted with our oppressive past?
Well perhaps nothing changes right away but maybe it could. Or at least, getting offended over it would show you want a sense of empowerment for your gender. That in and of itself is highly commendable even if it doesn't bring about any sort of change. Or even just a change in women's attitudes on this subject would be favourable instead of every girl being satisfied staying that way forever.
Well if people opt for the most neutral position then of course that won't have any effect. But sometimes neutrality is better if the alternate extremes are damaging.
Sex is a very raw and instinctive act, with the only purpose being to fertilize her eggs.
Men are natured as the more sexually aggressive and dominant gender - nothing wrong with that. Women, when we think of men, there's a strange sensation of wanting to be "small" amongst them, and delicate - gentle. You talk a bit softer, touch more tenderly, as he sits up a bit straighter and talks acts more assertively.
Subtle or obvious.
When having sex, instinct presses these extremes to assist him in impregnating me, by coaxing me to reflexively give into him. He is coaxed to be more domineering to ensure his sperm have the best chance.
What we see is just us having sex, but a lot of complex things are happening.
Wanna know something? When I ovulate, is when I have the strongest arousal to my dudes aggressive behaviors, and most submissive feelings to him.
No surprise there. Even the idea of him ravaging me is highly arousing.
"In what way did I persist in wanting men to rape and take on a misogynistic mentality again?"
You persisted in that you want men to ROLE-PLAY those behavioural traits, allowing them to take on the role of a rapist and misogynist in the bedroom and find this to not wane on their reputation and see it as perfectly healthy and acceptable.
How am I claiming that they want to bring back the barbarism of our ancient past back into our society again? I'm saying they are clinging on to the vestiges of these archaic relics instead of trying to restore what their minds would be like had they not been affected by it. Instead of trying to rebirth their desires to be based on a more moral foundation, you just continue to be scarred by them and not try to purify yourselves from it instead.
Yes but why would you like the tiger if it attacks you all the time just never actually kills you?
Wow so having gentle sex without utter submission and domination will somehow convince his sperm to swim the other direction and not fertilize your egg? He can't impregnate you without giving you pain and subjugating you under his control? Not sure which fictional science books you got that from.
You persisted in that you want men to ROLE-PLAY those behavioural traits, "
Please show me where I said that.
Black and whites actually DO THAT ROLE-PLAY, not even persisting, those BDSM couples actually do it. So they want slavery?
Even when I imagine my boyfriend doing it, I dont ask him to lol
There are actually couples that DO ROLE-PLAY RAPE scenarios. Guess what, both the man and woman consent, so again both genders are guilty according to your bizarre stand-point.
I said: "In what way did I persist in men bring misogynistic, condoning rape?"
You said previously: "I never made the claim that you were condoning murder or rape, "
Then you said: "You persisted in that you want men to ROLE-PLAY those behavioural traits, allowing them to take on the role of a rapist and misogynist in the bedroom "
Stop contradicting your argument.
What do you really believe? Am I condoning rape / misogyny by being aroused by aggression or not?
There is nothing wrong with mens dominant behaviors, and a womans submissive ones. Note how the issues we see are the result of us tryin to tell nature what to do.
Misogyny tells nature that men are superior; feminism tells nature women are most glorious; both ideas challenge instinct, so we get confusing signals being told what is natural is bad, but living in the failure of humans thoughts against nature.
So I have fought off a rapist, and enjoy aggressive rough sex with my boyfriend.
I didn't contradict myself. When I said I'm not claiming that you condone that behaviour, I meant you don't accept it in the streets. Then when I said you allow men to role-play it in the bedroom, I meant that you allow men to simulate the same scenario with you as the victim. If to you that's condoning it then that's what I meant to say.
Keyword, if, not enough stimulation. Lol even missionary is a dominating position for the man lol. And yes, the arousal will drop if instincts are not being satisfied.
Im trying to understand what you're ultimately getting at.
What are these purifying ideas you're getting at?
Is the tiger no longer pure for growling and roaring?
I don't justify it, I'm against it. It's you who are trying to justify it. Even if it's more natural, it used to be natural to not wear clothes and poop out in the open, does that mean we are wrong to have changed those things?
Well they never accept it in the streets from a total stranger because it's a huge violation and degradation of the one being targeted, but then allow it during sex from the person closest to them? Is it really that weird if I think there's something wrong with that?
I'm not concerned about it happening with animals because animals are not on the same level as us in terms of intellect and ability to develop and improve their moral behaviour. We are unique and should know better.
Yeah I find it bizarre that in the streets they are wholeheartedly against it because they realize it's
It is natural to be naked and poop in said nature lol, there are nudist and in backwoods camping you relieve yourself in nature all day.
If we had adequate fur, we wouldn't need clothes lol -
But besides the point, humans are a balance of nature and our own nurture. Our nuture often oversteps nature, because we analyze nature as if it is wrong.
Why did the male neands aggressively rape women? Why is aggression and sexual drive a result of high levels of testosterone, the hormone naturally produced in men?
What men did, was nurture that "since I man, bigger / stronger, you woman, smaller / weaker, you belong me."
When in fact animals dont even treat their mates that way.
The poor reasoning is thinking nature was wrong, and instituting our own perception / ways of things.
Had men never reasoned like that, would women have been raped to develop this 'destructive' ideology?
It is fine to punch a woman full force in the face if she attacks a man. If she is 110 pounds and is dumb enough to mess with a 250 pound man and he caves in her face, I guess she learned her lesson.
LOL - ya know, the dumb enough women to do that just bluff and try to be tough I guess. I charged a guy who cheap shot my brother and did nothing but distract him enough for my brother to get leverage. He just grabbed me, thankfully lol which felt like being yanked on a rollercoaster honestly but easily would have hurt me seriously.
I think I bruised his lip, but he probably just bit it ha ha Men are strong, even smaller built men can hit like 30-60% harder than a bigger built woman.
Some girls have an ego bigger than their fists, so sometimes a reminder is humbling lol
I am not gonna attack first. Doesn't matter if I'm angry or whatever. However, if I get attacked (physically), I will strike back because I have the right to self defense. Man or woman, doesn't matter. My life is in danger and I have to escape. Fighting might be the only option.
Aside from self defense, you shouldn't be hitting anybody. If you can't control your emotions to the degree that you physically lash out at others, you are committing assault and you have anger issues you need to address. Barring defense or extreme provocation, everybody should be able to restrain themselves from using acts of physical violence to either get their way or to stop someone from bothering them verbally.
If she hits a man she should assume he will hit her back. To assume you have a magic force that makes him unable to hit back is taunting him even more, let alone some will even go so far as to call him a pussy if he doesn't hit back, the trap is if he does he is the asshole and she is innocent. If anyone hits anyone they should assume it will be given back and not be shocked or play victim to actions they provoked. Hit like a man take your lumps like a man.
I was hit once by a girl... it was in high school and we were on the crappy bus. Taking the bus was horrible! The bus was taking everyone home and stoped at different stops. There was no room to sit and many had to stand in the isle. I’m standing , minding my own business, the bus jerks a little and we all get jostled a bit. Some girl that I didn’t know and was behind me, yells to me. “ if you fall into me I’ll hit you ! “ WTF !! So I ignore this insane violent bitch... The bus stops hard once more, yes I did get thrown into her. Nothing extreme. She smacks me very hard in my face! I said, do it once more and I’ll punch you out! She halls off and hits me a second time! I punched her right in her fucking ugly face and I broke her damn nose. Blood began to steam down, she started crying like a little baby. She got what she deserved! I got off at my stop and that was the end...
Definitely agree, like as a dad, imagine some angry lady snatching your daughters arm or hair - do you beat the lady to death? Lol no, but if you need to help your daughter aggressively, thats just being a good father
I believe it's best if people don't go around hitting each other but if someone is threatening me with physical violence and I do feel like they could do harm then I'll defend myself as necessary. Even if defending myself include hitting a woman. I personally believe everyone should have they right to defend them self from anyone who's really a threat to their safety. Though in my version of an ideal world there wouldn't be any need for violence.
No one ! No one should hit the other person! If a girl hits me, I will punch her out and have. No man has the right and No women has the right. If you think that you do, you’re Sick !
Oh, that makes sense. Would be weird if that was real footage, like a few relatives knew she was going to do it and filmed it all from different angles.
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