Here’s a question: Can someone sexually harass or sexually assault themselves and sue themselves and win? Or go to jail for sexually harassing themselves?
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Maybe we'll see that in the future as well, can't really know.
I agree that it's not ok. All though, if some men or women would touch me (like in that pic), I would think that it's nice, ok or rude, but I wouldn't think that it's harassment. Everything isn't harrasment.
Yeah at this point I'm convinced it's only sexual harassment if you don't find the guy attractive. I can promise you a lot of these #metoo types would be more then happy to get harrassed or even raped if the person doing it was justin beiber or johnny depp
Flirting is inappropriate in the workplace. End of.
If you want to hang out with a coworker and flirt with them outside of work, cool. Most people meet their partners at work. Just not while you're physically at work, and DEFINITELY not when you're in a position of power over the other person.
There are some workplaces that have instituted a policy where it's okay to ask a coworker out, but only once. Anything after that is considered harassment. That's a good start, I think.
I like a single warning system. It keeps HR out of the situation until it’s real. The cartoon’s bottom right frame should say, “Please don’t tell me hello again until you have a BMI of 20, goodbye! Then the guy will feel shitty about himself and leave her alone.
Okay babydoll first of all don't call me 'kid'. You ain't lucky enough to be my mother. And second of all, since were trying two times to ask someone out is sexual harassment?
It’s a useful definition used by certain companies in the Silicon Valley, especially, child. Companies are learning to define sexual harassment within their honour code or whatever such that it can be usefully enforced. If someone says “Jason asked me out four times last week and it’s making me uncomfortable” there’s a protocol.
You call yourself babydoll in your own DP. Unless it’s fake, or you have forgotten. If you didn’t want to be infantilized, maybe you oughtn’t do it to yourself... or act like a petulant child on a soapbox.
Like what? Say that all women who make sexual harassment claims against men are lying whores? Petition for contraception to be banned? Start burning women you disagree with at the stake?
Babydoll you clearly don't know how to read English OR choose to read what you want to. I'm not going to explain things that I made clear enough for a blind person to understand. Now do me a favor anf shut up
I wish I could say ignorant things and then maybe boys will like me. About a year ago, a man who was my patient grabbed my ass. He's not confused or have learning disabilities in the slightest. I reported it to every administrator and every supervisor, and everyone of them laughed in my face. I was so defeated by that point, that I didn't bother going to law enforcement. And that's why I didn't report. Flirting at work is not only distracting, but it's inappropriate. Save it for outside of work.
That's terrible. Your complaint is clearly a valid one - that's genuine sexual harrassment. Granted, they may have limited options on what they can do, but they should have at least taken your complaint seriously.
But what Angelica is saying is that these (mostly) women who are making all of these exaggerated or outright bogus complaints are only making it much more difficult for folks like you who have a REAL complaint - and for that reason, those exaggerated/bogus complaints should piss you off. They're nearly as big a problem as the guys who are grabbing you.
that sounds more like "how many cases go to court with no evidence / only hearsay and what percentage succeed at convicting the man without the lack of reasonable doubt"
well why don't we fix the most limiting factor: people not reporting rape. if we do that, convictions shoot up from 6 to 56 per 1000, then determine why cops can't arrest the supposed rapist. be it they can't find him, too much time has passed, no evidence, etc. if that's fixed 56 goes to 215. Then it has to go through the court system, being proven beyond a reasonable doubt assuming she has a lawyer -> 580.
the point of the post was to acknowledge the growing trend in "boo me" victimhood attention grabs many girls are starting to do, hurting real rape / sexual assault victims and putting innocent guys behind bars.
It should also be noted that actions taken against guys go vastly under reported, and researchers are finding that the data trends are starting to rival the experiences of girls in terms of sexual assault or abuse. but no one cares
"I wish I could say ignorant things and then maybe boys will like me. " I hope this line isn't written for me because nothing that I say is ignorant and honestly I couldn't care less if people liked me. by the way that was a true sexual harassment expirience and I'm sorry you went through that
I get it, there are women that are lying about their sexual assault experiences and that makes it harder for survivor to come forward. But there's plenty of instances where rapists are caught red handed like Brock Turner and they get a slap on the wrist. When Adolf Eichmann went on trial in 1961, 112 people testified against him, most of whom were Holocaust survivors. Like, think of how many people spent the previous years talking about their experiences in the Shoah? Sometimes victims only tell their stories when they are ready and when they feel it will make a difference. For me, that's when I would come forward. Until then I'll suffer in silence because I know nothing will be done, unless I want more people to laugh in my face.
The fact that we all know who Brock Turner is means that people are working to change the system to fix what most of us agree is a problem. That's how things are supposed to work. And while that unfortunately didn't do justice for the girl he date raped, it will make the system better in the long run.
That doesn't change the fact that false accusations (when you can't even be sure who the alleged attacker was!) are a serious problem that hurts everyone.
Wow so true! These days just because of this, I can't compliment a friend just afraid that they might take it as an offence. So sad. . . . Wait, now I think I know why more females feel insecure about themselves. First they would be complimented and feel happy. Now men are afraid to compliment them so yea... pretty self-explanatory
Too much I would sa it's a mandate these days that u have to confine yourself and oblige to these advancements or get outsted and have a silent non progressive life.
Just give the nonattractive ones a warning, and 90%. Will back off. Add a negative comment about their weight or baldness, you move the bar to 99%. The 1% who don’t comply are typically the nascissists and deserve Hr.
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Here’s a question: Can someone sexually harass or sexually assault themselves and sue themselves and win? Or go to jail for sexually harassing themselves?
Maybe we'll see that in the future as well, can't really know.
Very soon , men will start doing the same thing and report women for any sort of flirting because they don't want to be falsely accused.
Yeap, and they we'll even stop talking with each other
Sad but true.
This is something that makes some of us cautious towards women until women make the first move.
Not, that we actually do but the discouragement is actually there.
It time to rewrite "The Boy That Cried Wolf" as "The Girl That Cried Wolf."
"The Snowflake Cried Wolf"
I agree that it's not ok. All though, if some men or women would touch me (like in that pic), I would think that it's nice, ok or rude, but I wouldn't think that it's harassment. Everything isn't harrasment.
Yeah at this point I'm convinced it's only sexual harassment if you don't find the guy attractive. I can promise you a lot of these #metoo types would be more then happy to get harrassed or even raped if the person doing it was justin beiber or johnny depp
I wouldn't. I can't stand either of those guys. :P
I don't agree, just because you agreed give half a cookie to one person, doesn't mean you have to give the other half to someone else that asks.
Flirting is inappropriate in the workplace. End of.
If you want to hang out with a coworker and flirt with them outside of work, cool. Most people meet their partners at work. Just not while you're physically at work, and DEFINITELY not when you're in a position of power over the other person.
There are some workplaces that have instituted a policy where it's okay to ask a coworker out, but only once. Anything after that is considered harassment. That's a good start, I think.
As long as both parties agree with the flirting, I don't see it as inappropriate, unless it distracts you from your job.
@EnglishArtsteacher and that’s your opinion, but I disagree
I like a single warning system. It keeps HR out of the situation until it’s real. The cartoon’s bottom right frame should say, “Please don’t tell me hello again until you have a BMI of 20, goodbye! Then the guy will feel shitty about himself and leave her alone.
I never talked about that but I guess you are kind of right
But I strongly disagree with this line "Anything after that is considered harassment. "
Persistently asking someone out when they've already said no is like the textbook definition of sexual harassment, kid.
How is it "sexual" harassment? It's harassment, but not necessarily SEXUAL harassment.
@EnglishArtsteacher now you’re just quibbling about semantics, which is usually the refuge of those who know they’ve lost
Okay babydoll first of all don't call me 'kid'.
You ain't lucky enough to be my mother.
And second of all, since were trying two times to ask someone out is sexual harassment?
It’s a useful definition used by certain companies in the Silicon Valley, especially, child. Companies are learning to define sexual harassment within their honour code or whatever such that it can be usefully enforced. If someone says “Jason asked me out four times last week and it’s making me uncomfortable” there’s a protocol.
Again you ain't enough lucky to be my mum, stop trying to adopt me.
And if I remember well you mentioned '2 times' not 4.
I specifically used a number over the limit, bambina, to illustrate a point.
I would kill myself if I had a child as ill-mannered and callous as you.
Then get ready to do it after you give birth to something.
Cause with a mother like you, nothing better will come out from that vagina.
That made no sense, bambina.
Again what's up with you with that names babydoll?
Seriously, nothing better to call me than things that you would call your kid?
It was pretty clear sweetheart.
Only if you speak dumbass, and I don’t.
You call yourself babydoll in your own DP. Unless it’s fake, or you have forgotten. If you didn’t want to be infantilized, maybe you oughtn’t do it to yourself... or act like a petulant child on a soapbox.
I say 'babydollS' my dear Einstein.
This is how I call my followers, not how they call me.
Now shut up I have more important things to do
Like what? Say that all women who make sexual harassment claims against men are lying whores? Petition for contraception to be banned? Start burning women you disagree with at the stake?
Babydoll you clearly don't know how to read English OR choose to read what you want to.
I'm not going to explain things that I made clear enough for a blind person to understand.
Now do me a favor anf shut up
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gosh that's sad
I wish I could say ignorant things and then maybe boys will like me. About a year ago, a man who was my patient grabbed my ass. He's not confused or have learning disabilities in the slightest. I reported it to every administrator and every supervisor, and everyone of them laughed in my face. I was so defeated by that point, that I didn't bother going to law enforcement. And that's why I didn't report. Flirting at work is not only distracting, but it's inappropriate. Save it for outside of work.
That's terrible. Your complaint is clearly a valid one - that's genuine sexual harrassment. Granted, they may have limited options on what they can do, but they should have at least taken your complaint seriously.
But what Angelica is saying is that these (mostly) women who are making all of these exaggerated or outright bogus complaints are only making it much more difficult for folks like you who have a REAL complaint - and for that reason, those exaggerated/bogus complaints should piss you off. They're nearly as big a problem as the guys who are grabbing you.
@MrOracle an overwhelming amount of accusations are true. That number is about 97%. The accusations that are fake are about 2%.
i'd like to see where you got those statistics
that sounds more like "how many cases go to court with no evidence / only hearsay and what percentage succeed at convicting the man without the lack of reasonable doubt"
@Blightly www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
You're right. Most cases go to court but the POS walks free.
well why don't we fix the most limiting factor: people not reporting rape. if we do that, convictions shoot up from 6 to 56 per 1000, then determine why cops can't arrest the supposed rapist. be it they can't find him, too much time has passed, no evidence, etc. if that's fixed 56 goes to 215. Then it has to go through the court system, being proven beyond a reasonable doubt assuming she has a lawyer -> 580.
the point of the post was to acknowledge the growing trend in "boo me" victimhood attention grabs many girls are starting to do, hurting real rape / sexual assault victims and putting innocent guys behind bars.
stats from here because they're well laid out
https://cmsac.org/facts-and-statistics/
It should also be noted that actions taken against guys go vastly under reported, and researchers are finding that the data trends are starting to rival the experiences of girls in terms of sexual assault or abuse. but no one cares
"I wish I could say ignorant things and then maybe boys will like me. " I hope this line isn't written for me because nothing that I say is ignorant and honestly I couldn't care less if people liked me.
by the way that was a true sexual harassment expirience and I'm sorry you went through that
I get it, there are women that are lying about their sexual assault experiences and that makes it harder for survivor to come forward. But there's plenty of instances where rapists are caught red handed like Brock Turner and they get a slap on the wrist. When Adolf Eichmann went on trial in 1961, 112 people testified against him, most of whom were Holocaust survivors. Like, think of how many people spent the previous years talking about their experiences in the Shoah? Sometimes victims only tell their stories when they are ready and when they feel it will make a difference. For me, that's when I would come forward. Until then I'll suffer in silence because I know nothing will be done, unless I want more people to laugh in my face.
The fact that we all know who Brock Turner is means that people are working to change the system to fix what most of us agree is a problem. That's how things are supposed to work. And while that unfortunately didn't do justice for the girl he date raped, it will make the system better in the long run.
That doesn't change the fact that false accusations (when you can't even be sure who the alleged attacker was!) are a serious problem that hurts everyone.
www.nbc.com/.../2751966
Wow so true! These days just because of this, I can't compliment a friend just afraid that they might take it as an offence. So sad.
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Wait, now I think I know why more females feel insecure about themselves. First they would be complimented and feel happy. Now men are afraid to compliment them so yea... pretty self-explanatory
Too much I would sa it's a mandate these days that u have to confine yourself and oblige to these advancements or get outsted and have a silent non progressive life.
Just give the nonattractive ones a warning, and 90%. Will back off. Add a negative comment about their weight or baldness, you move the bar to 99%. The 1% who don’t comply are typically the nascissists and deserve Hr.
Good Take. Shame it needed saying, but it does.
Thank you!!
The door swings bot ways too. Either sex can be sexually harassed.
Yeah you hould read this take instead :
Why Using Fake Pictures Online Is Something You Shouldn't Do ↗
Women always complain
THESE KIND OF WOMEN,
yes they will.
Especially the women who see everything as a sexual assault now a days and don`t know the difference.
Yes yes yes
Basically every human being becamone unnaproachable, because she/he can blame anyone for sexual harassment
I already see sexual harassment as a joke
Can't blame you.
Great Take, you have pointed very sensible things again.
#AngelicSinIsBack
Yes, this BS has been taken to the point of absurdity.