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Do you feel its smart to push/throw someone in the water/pool as a way to teach them how to swim?
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I think all that will do is cause them to be terrified of the water and want nothing to do with it ever again. Drowning is a very reasonable fear, and this will only blow that even further out of proportion.
I rode horses for years and witnessed a similar situation, but with a different hobby; I knew several people who believed that riding horses that were inappropriate for their skill level or even borderline dangerous to ride in general (if not even fully dangerous) and having nasty falls on a regular basis was a good way to push them to be better riders. There are still people who believe that, but in my experience all it did was create very nervous and defensive riders (which tend to make horses very nervous and are so tense they end up making more mistakes) who eventually wanted to quit riding, as usually they ended up having a nasty fall that resulted in an injury or a very close call. In fact, I had heard a lot of that train of thought growing up and tried to push through with a horse of my own who was not safe under saddle, even continuing after I'd been hurt in a fall off of said horse. It's no surprise that I had more bad experiences and my confidence ended up being ruined to the point of being one of the reasons I quit riding. I've also seen people apply a similar train of thought to training the horses themselves (putting them in situations that terrify them, such as just hopping on an unbroke horse with no preparation beforehand and "cowboying" them, tying them and letting them pull back in a halter until they injure or kill themselves, etc.), and knew a couple of horses this type of training did a lot of damage to that was hard to undo, as the horses remembered their bad experience and expected the worst. I know horses and people aren't the same, but it's a similar concept and the results are pretty similar.
Dang now im really afraid to ride a horse
It's pretty safe if you get a reputable instructor and start out on a seasoned horse! What creates the safety issues I mentioned is when the horse isn't suitable for you, isn't well trained, and/or you're riding under the instruction of someone who is incompetent. Really, in a controlled environment it is pretty safe. I had a lot of great rides on a lot of great horses over the years too, and owned several that were wonderful on top of that. I just wish I hadn't pushed through with that horse because I didn't want to "give up" on him, when really I should've. I eventually did, but only after I exhausted all options and resources. TBH, another reason I quit riding was because it became stressful, expensive, and time consuming as a result of this as well.
This was done to me by my brother's wife. and she was like go in the water it'd be fun and pushed me in, and I was about to drown to death and then she saw me just still under water and pulled me out. and i was choking hard i couldn't breathe and was also crying.. they gave me towels and rubbed my hands idek what just happened but this was like two years ago... it was cool
oh and once that month i also saved my younger sister from drowning because I don't know what happened and i looked away for a second, and she was underwater and wasn't moving, so I got so scared and held her hand and pulled her out and she just choked for a bit and uh yeah thank god...
Man this is so scary. I had to try to save a drowning kid before as well
I agree with you it's a terrible way of teaching someone to swim. Some people are so scared of the water that they would just freeze up and sink and drown. I get that your instincts are supposed to kick in but if you're too scared they are not going to. Whoever said that is the best way of learning how to swim must have been one of those macho guys that calls everyone a wimp.
Yea i wouldn't expect their instincts to kick in
Exactly 💯
I was taught this way and worked very well... but I would never recommend that you do this to someone. I was just very lucky and probably naturally inclined to be a good swimmer... which honestly I am a very good swimmer.
DO NOT just throw a none swimmer in a pool... I know plenty of others that were emotionally scared and into their adult years are scared of the water.
I’d never do that to someone
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Hell no. All it does is make people more traumatized. I had a kid at a pool try to drag me into the deep end. He wouldn't listen to me when I said I couldn't swim and he wouldn't let go of me until I started screaming at the top of my lungs. Like drowning is my top fear. I don't play that shit. My future kids will be getting lessons at a very early age.
Yea i got swimming lessons at age 4. I know enough to survive
No this does not work. My siblings did that to me as a kid and it just made me hate pools. Also still don't know how to swim so obviously didn't work.
Yea i didn't think it did
@Apple1996 I'm sorry to hear that. 😞
@Jamie05rhs it's okay. I like going to pools now but just don't go into the deep end
I dont like being in anything 5 foot plus.
Aww. You guys be really careful, ok? And do try to take a swimming lesson sometime soon when you can. It could save your life!
@Jamie05rhs i took swim lessons at age 3. Bt i still dont like being in 5 foot plus deep. Its an asthma thing
@DizzyDesii Okay
No, it's a bad idea. All is does is increase the person's fear of the water.
Little ones often don't like to get in the water... getting them to jump into their parent's arms in the pool is a good way to get them acclimated to the water, step one in learning to swim.
I dont like the jump in the arms thing either though because I've seen people get kicked in the face by accident
It is a horrible thing to do. I can't conceive in any way how that could be good. I worked with a guy like that unfortunately. For me it wasn't bad because I was trained long before I worked with him, but he had that attitude towards training new employees. It totally frustrated new employees to be thrown into a situation they weren't familiar with. He thought they'd learn by figuring it out on their own, which was rarely the case.
Yea I don't know whats wrong with people
Hell no it is very dangerous. It was done to me in 6 feet water. The swimming teacher said to one of the senior to teach me swimming while she goes and check the other students. She pushed me in the pool and I almost drowned and until other senior came and helped me out of the pool. I still don't know how to swim. My swimming teacher have even told this is a very risky method and shouldn't be tried.
Omg she shouldve been fired
It's pretty dumb. If one fears water and you push them in by surprise they'll never attain the peace of mind necessary for them to learn. If anything, they'll only end up fearing the water more. Nothing done in a traumatic way represents a good learning opportunity. The mind needs to be present, without instincts kicking in.
I agree
Throwing people just like that can lead to mistrust and creating fear/phobia. If ot worked for some it does not mean it's the right way but not more than just a way. Teach them step by step and enjoy it, it's fun. I taught my cousin, he was 24-25 years old, he can swim now but he is not a good swimmer, we didn't have more time and now he lives in Canada
Yea i wouldn't do that to someone
I was four when I did this to my older sister.
She was standing on the edge dipping her foot in. I had already been in and liked it, temp was perfect.
I went up to her and nudged her.
It was honestly completely helpful. Zero malice.
She came back up so damn pissed off. lol
Seeing her raw anger, I immediately burst into tears. She stopped and just shook her head at me.
Bittersweet life lessons..
Lol you’re lucky she didn't attack
She was pretty level headed. It was the shock, she never would have expected me to do it. I’ve always been a helper. lol Learned that day people don’t always want it. 🙃
No. You can learn to swim in 3' of water, which is shallow enough to easily stand up in whenever you need to. There's no need to traumatize someone.
I've taught a bunch of people how to swim, and they didn't go to the deep end until they were ready.
I agree
Even people who know how to swim can be caught totally by surprise and panic in the water. They can also hit their head on the edge of the pool. During the summers, the city I grew up in offered free swimming lessons at the high school pools. My mom had no money, so if there was anything offered for free, she made sure that my sister and I were there!
Well thats good :) and good point
this is how i learned to swim lol. It was traumatizing af. Grandparents sent me to a school where they taught Olympians or something. i remembed i was like maybe 4 or 5 at the time. I ended up not being able to come up so out of desperation I bit the calf of one of the instructors and he kicked me off. My grandparents were freaking out.
Man thats awful
That’s how I learned how to swim but with my girls I taught them how to swim by showing them and teaching them we had a pool and I had nightmares about my youngest falling in so I built a fence and taught them all and kept a bunch of the cheap arm floaties on hand they’re the best those stupid vests or rings around the waist especially the rings built into the bathing suits are dangerous for babies and little kids they get flipped upside down and drown
Holy smokes didn't know that about the bathing suits
It’s terrible. If someone couldn’t swim and someone else pushed them in, they could easily drown. They should always take swimming lessons in a shallow end of a pool before going to the deeper ends. I took swimming lessons and I became a very good swimmer.
I agree
Back in the day and I'm mean like the 80's / 90' s for u kids... still not really right to throw someone in the pool , back them people hardly would have flinched to the situation... today's world a lot of kids are soo sissified they would get more butt hurt than anything... and then you have some stranger also voicing their opinions...
Well people still do it often here in the south so I don't know what you're talking about
Hell no. As a former lifeguard and water safety instructor that is incredibly dangerous and damaging. Work with them on their swimming skills and comfort in the water. Not try to kill them.
I agree
My mom did that to me. I was like 6 months old and I grew up on a ranch so she threw me in the stock tank and it was about 6 feet deep and I sunk and disappeared under water then I floated up and started swimming. I DO NOT RECOMMEND doing this too anyone to make them learn though!
Omg i am crying 🥺
No i really am
I can swim but I can only imagine the sheer terror in someone's face realizing they might drown because some fucker decided to push them into the water.
Exactly
B Desi. You can "push a little" with words to get kids into the water and start to learn to swim. But not with the level of physical agression shown there 🙈😩
I would never throw someone in
That’s not an instinct that people are born with. People have to LEARN to swim. Add in the fear/panic of immensely drowning, and bad things happen.
I agree
That sounds like a fast way to make a child fearful of the water.
It is
It's more or less how I learned I got thrown into the pool first and got the hang of it the hard way then naturally I was sent to have swimming lessons afterwards.
Afterwards? Good lord
I don't agree with this method either. I don't think it's a good idea.
Its definitely not
I disagree with that 100%. Morally, philosophically, and scientifically.
And if I caught someone doing that on my shift, they would be thrown out.
Ooo are you a lifeguard 😍
@DizzyDesii Don't get too excited. I'm retired. Haha
Dammit i keep forgetting your age
@DizzyDesii Lol. It's okay.
As someone who experienced this when I was younger, it didn't help me one bit to learn haha so traumatic that I still remember that day hahah
Im sorry to hear that
it’s kinda funny when they do it to babies because they float but it’s also not a good idea to people who are old enough to be aware of what’s happening, panic arises and there’s a good chance it could end horrible.
That's crazy. Why would anyone do that? It's assault, and could quite easily end up with the person drowning.
Sadly a lot of people down south do
Even if it is a good way to LEARN to swim (which is dubious at best), it's a GREAT way to traumatize them and make them hate swimming.
Definitely traumatize
I was thrown into the ocean as a kid so I'd learn lol
It did work, but I disagree with doing that.
Damn the ocean is worse than the pool! I hope the water was clear
Nope, not at all. When I was 12 I almost drowned underwater by some kid doing this to me at a water park field trip.
Dang this is so sad
Holy smokes im glad you're alive
Some times it's ok in the learning environment when instructor is around and know what they are doing. Think of it more if as an ice breaker. Have you ever felt when you try to talk someone new and you feel super nervous and can't do it at all?
Not the same at all
more of as *
It was like that for me. When I went to learn swimming 🏊♂️ swimming 🏊♂️ I was not going in the pool. Then I would not put my face in water for breathing practice. Both happened on the same day. I was pushed in the pool and after a while pushed under water. It worked out ok for me that doesn't mean people should do it and it would by approved by everybody
🏊♂️ swimming 🏊♂️
Swimming 🏊♀️
No, I would say it isn't. That's how my Grandpa taught my mom and her brothers to swim.
Damn
Being thrown in the lake never helped me learn to swim. If anything it made me scared of water.
I agree
I love the simba gif, the first time I saw that video I choked on my drink xD
but ya it's a horrible way to teach and a good way to traumatize
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Just for everyone to enjoy ^^
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Its a form of abuse to me. you are intentionally causing harm to a child, mental at the very least.
To anyone, child or not
I have had a fear of drowning since a near drowning experience so no I'm against 100%
Awww
@DizzyDesii I will go to a pool I'm able to walk but no swimming
when it did happen I was like 10-11 years old and my late mom
never believed me
My niece’s trashy uncle did that to her when she was 5. she's never gone bear a pool since. He robbed her of so much fun.
I hate he did that
I did too. He’s an ugly bum.
As someone who worked as a lifeguard and taught swimming lessons for years... this is a horrible way to try and teach someone to swim.
I agree
Well it's probably a traumatic thing to do to someone. But humans generally intuitively know what to do to stay afloat.
Hmmm okay
Did you know babies can swim already? We're born with the instinct.
Babies are usually born with the instinct to hold their breath. Swimming though requires practice, and not everyone floats.
@TheSpaceGnome not going under and staying afloat is the definition of swimming xD yeah pretty much every baby floats. adults not so much but everyone knows instinctively how to move their limbs in order not to go under.
I didn't float, and I had to be taught how to swim.
@TheSpaceGnome what age?
I think I learned to swim around age 9, but I had trouble floating long after that and still do.
if I stop moving I sink. not enough fat to be buoyant.
Then again, the few times i gained weight, i still had trouble keeping my head above water while being still (unless holding on to something or using a life jacket)
I can do laps in a pool though and stay afloat from inertia.
@TheSpaceGnome it's different if it's a life or death situtiation tho. also all babies swim, cause their gphysiology basically doesn't allow them to go under.
In a life or death situation I would not be staying still in deep water lol. Also I didn't float as a baby.
Hmm... I think everyone should know how to swim before they are 10, after that, I have no sympathy :)
Yea but what does age have to do with being thrown in
It is harder to throw them?
If they haven't learnt to swim by 10, I have no sympathy if they complain about being thrown in.
I wouldn't mind being thrown in... quite unlikely to happen though :)
Thrown in, pushed in, whatever. Its disrespectful. And i still dont know why you make it about age. I can swim but like someone else said, even throwing in an unsuspecting well talented swimmer will make them panic
There are two points, learning to swim and throwing/pushing in.
In terms of learning to swim and specific swimming lessons. If someone hasn't learnt to swim as a child, I'm less sympathetic about being thrown in as a method of teaching, sometimes you just have to jump in at the deep end (groan). After waiting, encouraging, cajoling someone who is mature enough to understand that water is a phobia, not really truly terrifying, there gets to a point where jumping or being pushed is irrelevant.
If this is at a random party then definitely, anyone who pushes someone in is in the wrong. You might not expect to swim at all and be fully dressed.
At a swim party with inflatable floating obstacles where everyone is capable, the pool is deep enough and a lifeguard is present then I would expect to jump, fall, slip, bounce into the water. Being pushed in would be surprising in the moment but expected in general.
If they have learnt to swim then this question doesn't apply. They wouldn't be at lessons learning to swim. I do think in general, throwing in is bad.
I think people
Should jump in when they feel ready. I find jumping in to be more fun than just swimming from wall to wall. When i jump in, i learn to push myself up
I've not done proper swimming for years, only at a waterpark. I used to be great but these days I'm just unfit.
I think it's stupid, you can literally kill someone doing that to them.
I agree
Throwing into the water? That's a good way to give someone hydrophobia.
I agree
My neighbor did that to me when I was a kid. I think i was 8 years old. It was the last time I was in their pool.
My parents wouldve whooped his ass
It was done to me my Mom slapped the the hell out of my cousin she thought I was drowning I was underwater for a good 15 seconds
Daamn
It's not gonna work for me unless it's a real deep pool. But I don't know sometimes it's better to dive headfirst for some people
Mmmm I don't know
This is similar to putting someone's hand in fire to teach them fire escape, operating someone to teach them medical and taking someone to graveyard to tell them ghosts don't exist.
Yep its sad
Someone can actually die due to this so not a good idea.
Yea its an awful idea
B. No, very bad idea. It could make a child be afraid of water for life.
I agree
How are they gonna learn how to swim as they panic not knowing how to swim.
exaaactly
Nah, that's just an awfull way to make children hate swimming
And to risk endangering their life
Yeah they might get a heart attack
It's a bad idea, but that is literally how my dad learned to swim.
Oh wow
I was thrown in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. And I learned real fast. Lol
Holy smokes
Not a good way to teach coz i couldnt learn this way
Yea its not smart
I'd never trust the person again I'd they did that to me.
Totally understandable
that's how I was taught. I can puppy paddle now and that's it. I hate swimming.
Lmao its all good
Absolutely not…. I can’t swim to save my life.
Shit i can swim enough but if someone tried to throw me in, theyre coming with me
Quick way to make someone terrified of water
I agree
No not a smart way too teach someone how too swim
I agree
Yeah... that guy is an asshole for doing it.
Not a fan. Teaching is just that...
Right
probably not a good idea
Its definitely not
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