Chivalry was a code of conduct for knights (which you can think of as "military leaders", since they served a similar purpose as military officers do in a modern military, though they also had some duties that we'd relate more to police today) and how they interact with the general population.
Chivalry was an acknowledgement that women and children were utterly defenseless in the face of a knight, and needed to be protected, because they represented the future of society. On the other hand, chivalry also meant that people followed and respected the leadership of the knights. In other words, it was a two-way street.
In modern times, women are much less often in need of physical protection, and most are far less respectful of chivalrous men (many are actively hostile towards them), so men have adjusted and become much less chivalrous.
I personally have been berated by women a couple of times for chivalrous acts, and lots of men I know have been as well. To be fair, more women have been appreciative, but those radical feminists are incredibly hostile, loud, and extremely public in their attacks on men, and this can in some cases lead to those men being assaulted by others or even charged with crimes, so it's not hard to understand why lots of men don't do those things anymore.
It used to make sense once upon a time, but it is a very poor fit for the modern age.
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I'm a lot older than you. Doing things was never about trying to get her to care. Not for most guys. More like it was part of you and it was expected. Just like you're expected to wear clothing when walking down the street. BUT it was really only required when dealing with a lady. When dealing with a rabid animal or man hater it was never required. It's just that in the old days, like 99.9% of women were either traditional or smart enough to pretend to be traditional. Society valued the traditional stuff.
Now it's flipped (society no longer valuing traditional stuff as much) and most women aren't traditional at all so traditional minded guys are not obligated to treat them like ladies. He's safe to assume that the random woman he runs into isn't a lady. It's on her to prove otherwise.
Guys never should have put women above themselves... looking back on the old days, I think it was more like the guy showed respect for ladies in general. The lady he was next to was a representation of all ladies. It wasn't simply about her. And she was responsible for keeping up the positive image/idea of what a lady was supposed to be. There was the idea that we did things not simply for ourselves but for society in general. For example, if a family member dies you have a funeral/memorial, not for them or for yourself but at the very least to teach the younger generation that the tradition matters. So it's for larger reasons. Most people don't think of this stuff tho. Maybe that's why western society is in rapid decline now.
Let's unpack a few things here, CCD.
* First, you're angry af, which makes me think "how did she hurt you and why aren't you over it".
* Next, you're confusing entitlement with, in certain situations, common sense, courtesy and/or safety. If you see a woman carrying groceries and a bag breaks, spilling her purchases in the parking lot, do you walk past and think, or even say, "You should have thought about that and double bagged it lady. Then you wouldn't be on your knees in the parking lot looking entitled to my help"? That might be you?
* Last but not least. Chivalry was a medieval code for knights. What it has come to mean is "EXCESSIVE and preferential courtesy towards women", but what's excessive to you might be nowhere near excessive to me. You may also be that guy who thinks that being courteous to anyone in general is feeding an entitlement syndrome.
So, here's my unsolicited life opinion: when you're courteous, kind, thoughtful, or helpful to anyone, including strangers, you're not putting yourself below them. That's a ridiculous concept, in my opinion.
Everyone who tells me “how did she hurt you and why aren’t you over it” always assume it was just 1 woman. 🤣 1? 11111111?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1? My brain immediate resorts to “WOW” not worth explaining to someone who wouldn’t understand my line of thinking.
Honestly if I saw a woman who’s bags broke I wouldn’t do shit about it I’d probably laugh to myself and say to myself damn that sucks and continue on my way.
Why do we need chivalry today? I hold doors for everyone not just women because I don’t consider women to be special in any way. I don’t treat women any different than anyone else. They don’t deserve to be treated better just for being women. If anything if we’re treating people differently for being a man or a woman I’d treat women worse than men
Nah, I didn't assume it was just "one woman", I thought it was probably "every woman" or damn near every woman that passed through your life, and I'll stop there. This response confirms that: "Honestly if I saw a woman who’s (this should be "whose") bags broke I wouldn’t do shit about it. I’d probably laugh to myself and say to myself damn that sucks and continue on my way."
I'm going to agree with you about something, the "wow, not worth... understanding your line of thinking..." Your line of defense for your misogyny is that no one deserves to be treated better because they're female, or male, but it's apparent that you don't care to treat ANYONE with a modicum of common courtesy, let alone decency. Sounds like you'd treat men like crap and women worse and be oh so proud of the latter.
Remember your words when you fall and break your arm or leg, or have what looks like a heart attack, and people walk by and laugh thinking " it sucks to be you!" Hang on those thoughts then.
You know? I’d rather just die than have some woman help me live.
Not that you’d understand why I’d want that. You’re programmed to love women. They make the babies after all! So you must be obligated to slave away for her as well as at your job for money you don’t even get to do what you want with because she’s the one who gets to decide that too.
Gee life must be all sunshine and rainbows if the woman is making all the calls. Cuz she must love the man she’s with! Eh? That’ll never change 🤣🤣🤣
Cool. May your wishes and dreams come true for you!
God you people men and women alike are so pathetic
You must feel as if you have no purpose or reason to be alive unless you’ve got a pussy to fuck
Ah, this is the part I love the most!! LOL My S. O. earns significantly more money than I do, and I DO mean significantly more, as she's a nationwide specialist in her field. She doesn't even work more than 60-70% of her time, she's that well paid. Because of that, I don't even HAVE to work full time and instead manage real estate.
And wouldn't you know, she just hates dealing with money matters. We pool it all and I deal with it so she can concentrate on her work, and when she's done, just relax. Now isn't that chivalrous of me? Haven't I lowered myself and just having her make all the decisions? I do admit, she tends to like to tell me which part of the world we should travel to next, and why, and damn, that's hard to take! LOL
Sunshine and rainbows baby! She must love something about me, since it's been like this over 10 years. You really should see someone about your anger issues, man. You're only 27 and it's not going to fix itself.
So you’re essentially a cuck? You let your wife run your relationship? You’re still her slave.
I see a counselor but to tell you the truth I don’t want anything about my life to change I hate women I’d just make a woman fucking miserable
LMAO So a guy is a cuck if a woman makes more money than he does, huh? You've now hit bottom, but I'm sure you can go lower.
Hey I’m not the one living under a woman’s boot 🤷🏻♂️
Happy wife happy life right?
Of course you hate them, and of course you'd make one miserable because YOU'RE miserable! It's a great thing that you stay away from them.
I’m sorry you’re so afraid to talk back to your wife
Right, I must be miserable. Can you explain to me how I could possibly be miserable?
Hmm... reading is fundamental, dude. You missed the part where we pool the money and she says "handle it please, I don't want to. It's annoying". Whatever it is, I'll take it, and I'm enjoying it!
So she’s making you handle the money? That’s sad
And by pooling you mean you’re sharing the money? That’s a major risk dude you’ll end up with nothing when she leaves you
LOL You're ridiculous. I thought that was the man's job? I know you can't imagine "relationship conversation", but when a woman says "do this please, I don't want to", it's not an order, it's a request. Besides, had she not specifically said "I don't wanna deal with the money", I'd do it anyway and just tell her "babe, I'll handle this". Good luck with your therapy.
PS> Do you realize who your speech pattern emulates?
If a woman asked me to do something I’d tell her to do it herself.
I honestly couldn’t care less who my speech pattern emulates, asshole
Don't worry - I can't imagine a woman on this planet EVER asking you to do something for her, or choosing to interact with you. You're safe.
I don’t hold the opinions of enslaved men in any regard
Ah, there it is, the ad hominem. You sound like that moron, who is probably your hero - Trump. LOL
I take that as a compliment
It is obvious that you do not know what "chivalrous" means I've put a copy of the code below;
The Code of Chivalry
To live ones life so that it is worthy of respect and honourably:
Fair Play
Never Attack an Unarmed Foe, Never Charge an Unhorsed Opponent, Never Attack from Behind. Avoid Cheating, Avoid Torture,
Nobility
Exhibit Self Discipline, Show Respect to Authority, Obey the Law, Administer Justice, Protect the Innocent, Respect Women,
Valour
Exhibit Courage in Word and Deed, Avenge the Wronged, Defend the Weak and Innocent, Fight with Honour, Ever Abandon a Friend, Ally, or Noble Cause,
Honour
Always Keep Your Word, Always Maintain One’s Principals, Never Betray a Confidence or a Comrade, Avoid Deception, Respect Life,
Courtesy
Exhibit Manners, Be Polite and Attentive, Be Respectful of Host, Authority, and Women,
Loyalty
To God, Sovereign, Country, and the Code of Chivalry.
If those are examples of chivalry why do it at all when women don't?
Doing those things is just creating the shitty ass condescending women we have to put up with today
Exactly. I hold doors open for everyone men and women boys and girls. I don't go out of my way to be chivalrous for women just because they're women. I would however go out of my way for children and the elderly. Pregnant women did that to themselves so I don't give them chivalry either
m Well when another guy tries it on with your girl, you can let her sort it out.
For me it’s my girl, I will sort it.
As for walking on the pavement, I tend to have her away from the road as she has a bag, those are prime targets for snatch thieves.
Anyhow, you can keep letting girls fight their own battles.
With my girl? 🤣 dude i hate women I’m never going to have a girl.
She has a bag? She ain’t making you carry it? Let a fucking thieve steal it. I would.
It’s her fault for having it out in the open in the first place anyway
Oh so you are simply trolling
Go you must be great.
Sure I must be if people don’t agree with me on something that must mean I’m trolling 🤷🏻♂️
You’re programmed to give women what they want at your own detriment you’re a slave and you don’t even know it
Nah I’m not but that’s for trying to project your fuckwit views
My fuckwit views? 🤣 aright, cool. I have no sympathy for you. The more women you enslave yourself to the more irrelevant you’ll become. That’s not my problem.
He is putting himself closer to my heart. 💘
Fuck that
Aw come on.. 🤭
Why are you so condescendingly entitled?
Why so serious, sweetheart? You're not even the man I'm thinking about.. 😗
Doesn’t matter the man you are is a slave and nothing more.
It's not slavery, when it's give and take. He takes care of me, I take care of his.. 🤭 Only fair, yeah?
Women gain power over men through sex. So no that’s not fucking fair
He has sex with you and you have the power to claim it was rape he can’t do shit about that no one will believe his ass
You women have too much fucking power and I can’t understand why men still do this shit knowing that
For the pleasure is a weak as excuse
Oh.. how I wish we could gain power. It is my dream to teleport someday.. or maybe fly? Who knows.. 🙈
You know what I mean don’t be a bitch
Not your bitch, sadly. 😗
And I’m more than thankful you’re not. I’d rather die alone than be involved with any woman. I’m not easily drawn like other men out there who are too pussy to be alone
I understand sweetie, do you want a boyfriend instead?
I’m not gay. I’m asexual. I find it overwhelmingly sad that men feel they need to be slaves to a woman’s body in order to have a sense of purpose in this world.
No. Quite the opposite. He is being manly, protective, considerate, and treating her like a delicate lady. The lady-gentleman thing is a game that men and women play. It makes men feel more masculine and women feel more feminine.
People who don't get it are insecure, bitter toward the opposite sex, and don't understand romance or male-female dynamics. It's all about mutual respect.
Of course, a man can go overboard to the point of simping or being condescending.
I don't understand how intentionally giving women more privilege than she already has could possibly be considered mutually respectful? How does a woman respect a man?
I don't under how being nice to a women and letting her feel like a beautiful, delicate work of art is the same as giving her privilege. That's like saying that being polite to anyone gives them power over you.
A woman respects a man who respects her. She doesn't feel dominant when being with him makes her feel warm, safe and secure. But she won't respect a man who grovels or tries to buy her.
Being gentlemanly is NOT the same as groveling. Gentlemen have confidence and self-esteem. They are protectors.
A woman won't respect a man who treats her like a competitor or potential threat, either. That kind of man would be considered weak or even possibly dangerous.
Why would I want her to feel beautiful or delicate? I don't like the idea of giving women who already recieve every privilege possible anything more.
I hate the idea of being a gentleman to a woman. It makes me sick. Why should I risk my life to defend a woman? Women don't make me happy. If anything they've made me unhappy. Why protect that?
I don't need a woman to respect me. I don't need a woman anyway. What good are they?
Because people can express love for women all the time why can't I express hate?
Women express their hate for women with a smile all the time
For men *
Being a miscreant is far better than being a woman's slave
So when I am being chivalrous does that mean I am putting myself below men? Is that how people see it? I am very confused because I had no idea. I didn't think people would see it like that.
Women being chivalrous to men makes no sense 🤣 they don’t do that shit
We don't? Do you have life experience that confirms that? Because I have paid on the first date in the past and I have opened doors for men and done things that are considered "chivalrous". I thought it was humane and I thought people didn't see it like that.
But please answer this to me because I want to know. Do people think that you are putting yourself below when you do such things?
A woman has never treated me with chivalry if anything they’ve used me falsely accused me cheated on me caused me to hate their entire gender
And in a world where women get everything they want on an silver platter I hope to see them suffer
What do you think a wife does? She puts him above herself and basically becomes his in home slave, so in dating he should treat her good. By the way if that is your cat in the picture he is very cute. Stop being so toxic towards women it is unbecoming :P
Fuck you
Nope.
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