Can someone define 'bad guy' and 'nice guy'? I'm not sure I understand your definition of either term, might just be me. But, they seem like two opposite extremes. 😂
How about a "normal guy"? As in, just a pleasant person to be around and talk to. A man with whom it's possible to form a mutually loving, loyal, and companionate bond. Both a friendship and a loving relationship.
I'm sure there are plenty of good men like that out there.
'Nice guys' are the guys who think they're entitled to women because they're apparently so nice, except they will give a woman shit for rejecting them and they're sometimes socially awkward. This myTake is more of a twist on 'bad guy' directed towards these 'nice guys' and why girls date these so called 'bad guys', but I touch on the fact that it's often their own perception that makes them 'bad' in the nice guys eyes, if that makes sense? I was in essence, and in some parts, talking about normal guys though, when I refer to bad guys.
"who think they're entitled to women because they're apparently so nice"
That's the common stereotype. I think if you look deeper, you can easily switch the word "entitled" for "guys that are confused." Would it not confuse you if a guy didn't want to date women that treated them well and instead only wanted girls that wanted to direct drama and abuse at him? It seems reasonable as to why they are confused. Of course they often get bitter in time which is what you focus on.
I'm an outsider observing. I wouldn't date a girl that wants abusive guys anyway. There's too many good girls to date.
But seriously, I noticed this phenomenon wayyyyyyyy before it was popularized--when I was your age. Basically many young girls like idiots that treat them like crap when young. Maybe it's because the guys are often hot, into borderline illegal things or whatever it is. When girls get to be about 25-30, they usually start to realize they want to prioritize stability and harmony over excitement and abuse.
wait a sec... if you refer to bad guys as normal guys... doesn't mean the entire mytake is a lie? You dated normal guys not bad ones! Liar! And yet the whole time, you acted honest... AHA! You're one of those bitter "nice girls" aren't you? Must be!
@cavmanier yep around 30 for women, it's called THE WALL. The looks fade and if there is nothing else backing it up, better start getting clingy and begging for mercy as life is only at about 30% :)
So you actually like ford mustangs according to your profile pic xD LOL omg ford mustangs? looossseeerrrr. (this is sarcasm by the way, I may or may not be mgtow so what if I am or not? Ik women like you want a reason to be condescending but it won't work on me. It's a good try, good effort, I guess, but nope, not gonna work, especially coming from a... xD FORD fan... LOL) Oh and I see the license plate. Texas. You really are making our state look shittier ya know? But wouldn't surprise me if you are invading into Dallas from some LA suburb. Borders are open so you can go back :)
And at the very least, I have evidence in what I said, as you do in fact have a Ford Mustang with a Texas license plate. Meanwhile, you lack evidence 100% on whether I am or am not part of MGTOW yet go ahead and laugh anyways whether you know it's true, kinda like laughing at comic strip that isn't really a comic strip, but a blank peice of paper isn't it? But alas, I expect a response of "TL;DR" or whatever insulting condescending bs you can come up with. Come on. Show your worse. At least it'll keep me from yawning.
1) They are bad you just justify it because he makes you wet and he's generally nice to you. 2) Nearly all men are confident, plenty incredibly so! You like a man who is CONFIDENT playing women emotionally, not confidence for confidence sake. 3) Sounds like your confusing kindness with co dependency or some other attachment disorder. 4) Again confusing good well adjusted men with a cartoonish trope that you can attack and justify liking bad men.
Seems like you are trying to convince your self of your own bullshit.
nothing is black or whiite. only shades of grey. most of them have some bad tendencies but are nicer than your average "nice guy". they just are more assertive, courageous and goal oriented. and non reactive to rejection and pressure.
@Valiant what you did is known as felonious battery. You were entitled to verbally engage him-by your self confessed battery you have committed a criminal act and not only should do jail time for violent crime but also are open to a civil lawsuit for damages. Since it was an intentional tort you open yourself up to enhanced damages (punitive damages, aka "exemplary damages") in addition to the usual general and special damages. Even though you are only 20 and therefore probably broke these can be extracted from you via payroll attachment. You might have every reason to be offended at what the other guy was saying but the moment you engaged in physical violence you crossed a legal and societal line.
Dont know what a nice guy is exactly... I mean I'm nice as in I would treat a girl like a gentleman... I would treat her with respect... Like "hi 😍... Your pretty... What's your name?"...
But I'm not exactly a good person either... I've committed a few small crimes... I'm also not a nerd and heavily into hip-hop music and culture... So does that mean I'm a nice guy cos I would treat a girl nicely? Do you have to be sort of a asshole to girls to be considered "not a nice guy"? Or is a nice guy just a dorky virgin who treats females with too much respect?
waaaaait... you said "not a nerd" yet into some sort of culture. That sounds like a VIRGIN NEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! DORK! And how tf ya into hip hop much being from the UK? "Mmm yes sir charles, could ya pass the tea and crumpets DAWG? And hows bout I beat the palava outta ya at playin some hoops later ol chap?" LOL xD
@errorgoodnameunfound my bad, yes, I agree... Saying culture does sound kinda dorky... I jus wanted to use some word that described hip-hop clothes, music, slang, graffiti.. all aspects of hip-hop, mainly because I couldn't be bothered to sit and write all that... I thought it would be easier to jus say culture... And nah lol.. not all Brits talk posh lol, have you ever heard Londoners or been to London? We have these things called chavs... That is the best example of how a British hip-hop head would speak.. they use words like "fam" "yo pass me the blunt fam" "ima shank you" Etc... I don't know them all... I personally don't use those sort of slants myself cos I don't wanna look like a wigger or a wanna be black guy... But I do use light slang sometimes.. like for example I say yo instead of hi.. or wassup... "Cool"... I dunno... I jus don't speak all formal is what I mean
@errorgoodnameunfound and being from UK doesn't effect it much... It just started when I was 3 n I saw these 2 guys walking around the local shop with extra baggy clothes and baseball caps n stuff... I jus thought "damn that's so cool... I wanna be like them one day" So I started dressing the same way... Then I heard Eminem on the TV and ever since then I been hooked on hip-hop music and can't stop listening to it ever since... I listen to it at least 30x a day
Ah I figured dude. I've seen the Ali G movie before, lolz, so I have some sort of idea of what you likely meant. I had a small feeling you were putting off nerdy stuff as if it was a bad thing so I decided to troll a bit and test it. But good job and standing your ground, cause trust me if ya didn't I'd still be sitting around callin ya a dork. I do on purpose very ironically cause I am one myself, but it's hilarious to call people really far from stereotypical nerdy and dorky stuff nerds and dorks. Its puzzles people because its super unexpected and it gives me leverage in conversation, just in case they start to get mean or something. Ya gotta realize tho... if you've ever played GTA SA, the amount of super dorky references they make is EXTREMELY high. Honestly, the gangsta hip hop stuff and nerd culture goes hand in hand a lot of times, so careful what ya say. Remember, people like Jay Z at one point teamed up with linkin park, there's rappers that often LOVE superman and stuff. Even MLK Jr. the true OG, was a trekky, or into star trek. :) Everyone has a nerdy side. Can't escape really.
And that's how ideologies are ruined. Bad guys are bad guys. Simple as that. You're talking about bad guys. You're talking about actual guys. Those nice guys you said like those guys who manipulate you and entitled to blame others aren't nice. This is why I hate those terms because you're giving actual guys then name "bad guys". www.google.com/search
i'm so tired of this bad guy vs nice guy conversation. nobody even seems to be able define the terms, including you, who only writes one sentence to declare what a bad guy ISN'T before writing a whole article to justify why you're attracted to them... it's all a load of crap.
No, nobody does. I am one person who has shared my own interpretation, that's why it's called 'myTake'. It's mytake on this conversation and my own subjective idea of what their definitions are.
"By bad guy, I mean any guy" yep that pretty much explains it. if people keep making these posts they're gonna find out how fast i go from a nice guy to a bad guy.
I said basically the same thing. Wholeheartedly agree. Ironically, when guys like us call this Hannah chick out on her BS, gals come at us saying we must be "incels" and nice guys" YET, I THOUGHT those type guys were friendly up front but aggressive later... were we not aggressive up front? Even more reason why this trivial BS is in fact BS.
🙄 âbad boysâ are bad for one simple reason. They have been treated badly in the past by a woman/ women. This can be their mother, girlfriend, partner, ex-wife etc. They are angry. As they should be! But donât for one minute think that you are special, and you will âchange themâ. You wonât! Only they can do that! And until / if they do, every woman in their path will be on the receiving end of backlash. Not worth the trouble!
I really am not a shy guy to begin with, i have my fair share of awkward moments but for most of the time i couldn't care less, when it comes to girls it's my past experiences not neccesarily in relationships that have damaged my insecurities and made them worse, i really find it hard to approach a random girl on the streets. Not because i'm scared of rejection more because i want a specific type of girl. I want a girl who understands me and my past and accepts those, i know most girls can do that and you can't expect someone to from the getgo but i'm searching for a specific type of sweet / cute girl and i generallly try to avoid bitchy / basic bitches which is hard downtown. Also i don't think my insecurities will go away, i don't want to be that guy that asks a how do i look question, because even if some girls say i'm datable i know that's just self pitty and i don't like that.
For me, bad boys means undisciplined shitty people who don't have morals and they're not concerned with the country or the society.
I am not concerned with how they treat you behind the closed doors.
I judge people on the basis of what I see them doing.
I hate, HATE arrogant people. Nowadays people keep trying to look like Bollywood heroes and trying to look "cool" by using foul language and by their arrogant behavior. And I find it utterly disgusting .
I can see them eating talking and behaving like animals. They have completely forgotten their culture and values.
It's their parent's fault who did not restrain their activities right from the childhood.
as expected, mostly negative responses. just want to thank you otherwise, it's a nice insight in things you often fail to consider. gives me material to think about
You date who you want. That's all it boils down to.
Personally, I think my best relationships were with the nice guys. Yenno, people who respect me and won't lash out to any small inconvenience, show affection and genuine care etc.
Sure, the whole "bad boy" vibe is sold to us by Hollywood. There's a certain thrill dating that type of guys but it's like chewing sugary candy gum. The taste goes away kinda quickly and then it's just super sticky and messy.
There are two kinds of ânice guysâ. The fake ones that think that being âniceâ is all they need to get laid. I donât like them anymore than you do.
Than their are genuine nice guys. They are nice to everybody for the sake of just wanting good will and everybody to get along. They donât always have an âagendaâ when pursuing women by being nice. These guys often have other things going for them (good job, looks, confidence in being nice, athletic/hobbies)
Unfortunately those guys get rejected too. Why? Because they are boring to women.
Yup. Totally agreed! There's also pizza and "pizza". Cause you see, Pizza has tomato sauce, real dairy cheese, and nice dough made of wheat. "Pizza" is anything that has a substitute for the tomato sauce, dairy cheese and wheat dough formula. It acts like pizza, but I promise you! It is NOT pizza! It is "pizza"! Remember to add the condescending quotation marks to differentiate it because that's what mob mentality demands to do and mob mentality is lord and savior!
See, there are two kinds of âfuckin weirdosâ. The fake ones that think that being âweirdâ is all they need to do to be considered unique. I donât like them anymore than you do.
Than their are genuine weird guys. They are weird towards everybody for the sake of just being themselves. They donât always have an âagendaâ when around others by being weird. These weirdos often have other things going for them (strange but good job, specific looks, confidence in being weird/themselves/different, unique hobbies)
Unfortunately those weirdos get rejected too. Why? Because they are boring to people.
So basically it's ok for them to treat you poorly at the end of the relationship as long as they are charming in the beginning and there flaws just vanish as a appposed to dating someone who will probably treat you right through out the entire realtionship yeah makes sense makes complete sense
You know this has always been my problem with women and that bad boy bullshit women find every excuse in the book and literally promote the abusive behavior some of these men do then when a dude turns around and does it there all butt hurt like the fuck and they praise these men as if they are saints and they are all saints in there eyes it's fucking retarded logic like I'm sorry. Then on the other end of the spectrum there are the nicer guys but no no no I only ever here neagtivity about nice guys like there all entitled or fake or there door matts like no they fucking aren't you can't fucking generalize a group of people some guys might be like that but just cause a nigga nice don't mean shit don't get it fucked up that nigga
Yet another person who hasn't grasped this myTake at all, haha. If you read it like I'm talking to an incel nice guy, you might grasp it. If you read it wanting some kind of justification for abuse, then you'll see just that.
Ok I'm convinced you must be fucking retarded I came into you my take with an open mind and incel nice guy is just as fucking bad if not worst then the bad boy character you described if there are seriously females out here that are thinking like this then you people are worse then anyone could have imagined
Interesting take, but calling them a 'bad guy' is such a huge stretch (as you mentioned). Pretty indifferent about it though. This whole concept of nice/bad boy/girl is so dumb that I pretty much view anyone who uses that context has self-esteem issues (whether it is lack of confidence or arrogance).
Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story.
A lot of the problem has to do with guys thinking being noce means you become desirable.
Also shy guys are less successful, lets keep it real, amd so are short guys, skinny guys, skinny-fat guys and obese guys. So if you are any of that, stop being that.
(ok by that logic) nobody gives a fuck about your opinion dipshit. (hey look at me ladies! I'm a mean asshole? Imma destroy this random lord fucker for no apparent reason. sexy af right? come at me bithes :) My dick is hard and ready and this little boy can sit and learn how men do it). Saying THAT is sexy isn't is Mr. Lord_Chilled?
@errorgoodnameunfound no, not at all. But in your case, your inability to understand logic and emotional outbursts resembing a preteen have already destroyed any attractiveness you possible could have possessed anyway, so it doesn't matter.
My point is, being nice has nothing to do with being attractive to women. You can be as nice as you want, or as much of an ass as you want, it won't make a difference. Being nice/not nice is not a determining factor in sexual attraction. That is the point.
You provided a good example to demonstrate this too.
You: "Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story."
Me: *says something really mean*
I made quite clear that my theoretical statement (yes, it was said theoretically, meaning I didn't mean any of it), was meant to show a mean side and asked you if that was attractive.
*Ignore the statement above, it submitted by accident before finisihed*
You: "Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story."
Me: *says something really mean*
You: Illogical and emotional outburst! Aka, quite mean. You won't ever attract somebody ever.
You *now rephrasing*: Being nice OR MEAN has nothing to do with it.
Also, I am attractive somehow, I've dated before and rejected people too. Something about me is attractive, so you lied because of assumption due to being offended by something you did not read fully. Being a pretty chill friendly person may not be the determining factor in attractiveness in dating, but it helps, as when you aren't people like you may get offended right?
"Also shy guys are less successful, lets keep it real, amd so are short guys, skinny guys, skinny-fat guys and obese guys. So if you are any of that, stop being that." I'm hoping that's sarcastic cause if not, I think therapy may be appropriate. I don't exactly see "dating" or "in a relationship" as your status. So I wouldn't exactly regard ya as the expert on women.
You didn't get the logic behind my statements, because you continue to have an emotional bias in your reasoning.
Illogical and emotional outburst! =/= Aka, quite mean.
Illogical and emotional means illogical and emotional, not mean. What makes your statements unattractive is the fact that they are immature and lack reasoning. Not because they are mean. You could have said something "nice" in an equally unintelligent manner, and it would still come off as unattractive purely because it would seem unattractive. Like i said, being "nice" doesn't change it.
Also, i am not rephrasing. I was explaining to you, the logic behind my statement. If i say, "it doesn't matter how hot it is, this object cannot be affected by it, then that means that temperature does not affect that oarticular object" (just an example, i know that almost everything is affected somewhat by temperature) . In this case, you did not understand the temperature part because i said 'hot' and thus i explained separately that coldness wouldn't affect it either.
Hot and cold are just two parts of the spectrum. In this case, i dont know if there is an appropriate word that would explain the entire spectrum of being nice/not nice, and drive the point home, so i just said nice. Feel free to correct it with a word that would encomass being both nice and mean.
The meaning and logic remains the same.
Your personal expereiences cannot have any effect on my readoning because i dont know you. I dont know how successful you are. I cannot take anecdotal evidence of someone who is argueing against me as a fact.
But i will tell you that whatever success, or lack thereof you have, has nothing to do with how noce you are.
I know plenty of mean dudes that mistreat the hell out of women that have plenty of womem all over them. Thats my amecdotal evidence that completely opposes yours. So what would that say, that both being nice and being mean positively attracts women?
@errorgoodnameunfound no, the logical conclusion would be to say that being nice has nothing to do with attractiveness.
There are plenty of nice/good guys who are with women. And there are plenty of mean/evil guys who are with women.
You would be surprised by how many extremely violent/evil men locked up in prison, even death row, have plenty of women writing love letters to them.
Does that mean being bad in itself attract women? No, there are plenty of losers who are mean and nasty as well, and they do not attract women.
It simply is not a factor that plays into attractiveness. Its not like charisma, good looks amd social status. These are qualities that attract women. And all of these can be possessed by both "good "and "bad" men.
"I'm hoping that's sarcastic cause if not, I think therapy may be appropriate."- No im being completely homest as i said. Being shy, short, skinny, skinny-fat and obese are all unattractive qualities for men. And with the exeption of your height, and maybe shyness to an extent, all of it can be changed. Or, make up for it in other ways. Shy people will always be a bit more introverted than extroverted but you can still develop amd express confidence. Skinny, skinny fat and obese people cannot change their body structure but they can change their body composition and go much, much higher up the attractiveness ladder. The only thing that you couldmt help is being short. In which case you will just make up for it in other ways.
Girls love bad boys! I had to learn this in the worst way... i was educated to be a "nice guy", but i saw all the girls wanting the bad boys in school. I thought i was right because i was sweet and gentil and a gentleman, but the truth is that this is weakness, and women don't like weak guys. An advice to all men: don't be a nice guy. And the term bad boys doesn't mean an evil motherfucker, i am a very good person but the last girl calling me a "good guy" was 10 years ago.
yeah blue pilling boys and creating "nice guys" is cancer. but almost no other woman mentions how we play a role in it. especially the mothers. and how we dont teach them how attraction really works but only give them the be a good boy preaching.
Here is the difference between Nice Guys and "Nice Guys."
Nice guys have no ulterior motive. They just treat people how they'd like to be treated with no expectations.
"Nice guys" on the other hand are whiny, manipulative little pricks. They seem to think that each "nice thing" they do gets them a point on a punch card and when it is filled they get a free booty call.
This isnât really accurate but whatever. They are the regular people who wonder why someone else was chosen over them when they did nothing wrong, over and over and over and over.
Then eventually it becomes âman wtf is wrong with me.â Then if finally becomes âIâve done nothing wrong! What did he do better that I did wrong?â
The answer, of course, is that those other guys are naturally more aggressive. Thatâs the uncomfortable truth of female sexuality as many red pill experiments have shown.
People spin this truth all sorts of ways, including inventing the narrative that ânice guysâ are actually just a bunch of people who want to literally exchange good deeds for sex â as if that makes any sense at all. (It doesnât).
People might think this after investigating, wondering what the hell is wrong with these guys because they are doing fine themselves. Well, by then all youâll see is the frustration and you might assume they were always like this, but youâd be wrong in making that assumption.
The fact is they always had trouble, way before they ever knew they would have trouble. Way before they ever had problems or even tried. They just didnât realize it until after failing multiple times.
Ok, if so, then I suppose this is accurate as well.
Here is the difference between nice girls and "nice girls."
Nice girls are just friendly gals that respect. They just treat people how they'd like to be treated with no expectations.
WAIT A SEC... "nice girls"? Never heard THAT phrase before... weird... so
"Nice girls" on the other hand are whiny, manipulative little pricks. They seem to think that because they act sweet and friendly on the outside that nobody will ever figure out their ulterior motives.
WAIT A SECOND... hmmm... never heard "nice girls" as common phrase before... weird... you'd think there'd be female and male equivilent for this sort of thing... unless... there's no such thing as fake women? ONLY fake men exist? According to the logic of these terms... seems so...
Here's the difference between Nutella and "Nutella"
Nutella is a brand of the original chocolaty, hazelnut spread by Ferrero that lives along with Ben & Jerry's in acheiving godhood when it comes to food. Expensive? Yes. Worth it once in a while as a treat? DUH.
"Nutella" is any brand that is not Nutella but acts like Nutella. It's a chocolaty, hazelnut spread that pretends to be Nutella but again, it is NOT Nutellla. People call it Nutella? YES. Is it Nutella? NO. Then why do people call it Nutella? Well because it's not Nutella! It's fake Nutella! It's "Nutella."
I hope my Nutella example seems as ridiculous as it is meant to be and hopefully helps to stop this stupid terminology. As a man especially, you only hurt yourself giving people an excuse to see nice normal guys as bad and seriously harmful guys as good.
Hell, I could say YOU are only agreeing with the take cause you are just a lonely single "nice guy" pretending to like what some girl here says in order to try to get her attention. I could say you are a fake male feminist while I'm a mean bad dude harshly calling a gal out on her BS. Think about it.
@errorgoodnameunfound Dude what are you talking about. I am not trying to agree with her at all. I don't like whst sbe wrote. But what she wrote is true.
Its not only "nice guys" but also regular nice people as well. They just don't have sex appeal.
It's kinda sick when we think about it but its too be expected when we look at our evolutionary history.
Based on your response though, you seem just fine in the aggression department. You shouldn't have any problems so I don't see what the big deal is for you.
@Robertcw Sorry for the confusion dude. I was talking to Liam. I just noticed we happened to start our sentence similarly. Didn't decide before whether to agree or disagree with ya yet. I guess I kinda am unsure a bit about the aggression theory, but first, I must point out I saw your spat with that Valiant gal. She's blocked me too a while back and I'm pretty sure it was over a similar topic, so I haven't been able to give her a piece of my mind ever since.
"You see, women have got to understand that choosing bullies like that man is not helping their cause.
Although I think a few too many assumptions were made about that guy who got jumped, that point is VERY respectable. Instead of at the very least seeing your point, that valiant chick immediately jumped to defend the guy who punched another. Despite him talking shit, there's no reason for violence. Yah, responding violence to violence isn't the best either, but you had a point and instead of seeing any good at all, she likely didn't read any of your explanation, but instead called you a "nice guy" and proceeded to block you I bet. Back to your thing about aggression, it's very ironic ya know, but it in some ways supports BOTH what I said AND what you said. Not too long ago, I made a similar point to somebody else, and some gal assumed I'm MGTOW with a laugh emoji. Now, think about this. In what I said, I think whether in misunderstanding or not, it did seem a bit aggressive right? When you misunderstood and even now, I doubt I'd be put in the so called "nice guy" dept would I? So now this chick, ironically, likely with similar veiws as that valiant girl comes along, and assumes I'm MGTOW, which I'm guessing since it's meant to be condescending, in her eyes, it's a synonym for "nice" guy. Ironic right? According to you, another dude, I'm aggressive. According to me, you seem to favor aggression. Yet, according to both those girls' logic, SOMEHOW, we'd be somehow classified as "nice" guys? this works HOW?
@errorgoodnameunfound Here's how I see it. 80% of all guys start out as regular nice guys. 20% are bullies.
Among these 80%, some turn into "nice guys" down the road. Among all these guys, none of them are getting very much sexual activity. The regular nice guys are viewed as genuine people but don't have a sexy vibe; they don't expect anything from anyone.
"Nice guys" are Nice Guys who get sexually frustrated. "Nice Guys" can go back to being Nice Guys and Nice Guys can turn into "Nice Guys" at any time.
The Bullies seem to never get sexually frustrated, because they seem have no issues getting sexual activity. This seems to be because of the way they act. It's sexually arousing, they have a sexual vibe. However, they aren't really nice to anyone -- except for maybe a handful of women at a time, perhaps only temporarily.
Now. Nice Guys can be charming because they lack the negativity of "Nice Guys" and are polar opposites of bullies. They give girls a change of pace from time to time.
I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think I'm right. If I am wrong, though, I'd rejoice and sing it from the rooftops. Because it irks me to think 20% of dudes are having four times as much sex than the average woman, with 80% *of all women.* Which means they are also having way more than 4 times the average sex of the average male.
1. "nice guys" is a term I see mainly women use as way to excuse loving horrible people. With this term, any guy, average, fake, friendly, anything but flat out mean and nasty, can have it pushed on them as a label and suddenly the reputation is dragged through the mud even if undeserved. I recommend a demand NOT to use that label and to instead shove "nice guys" into the same category as up front mean ones, because it's WAY more honest. There is no true difference in intention and negativity associated with a mean up front bully and a guy pretending to be friendly in order to get in a girls pants. Both are often manipulative and mean spirited. Both are equally bad. No way around it, but ya see, since girls often seem to like this up front bully 20% kinda guy, despite it being an idiotic selfish move that's not often excusable, they have to FABRICATE an enemy that they put as BIGGER and WORSE than the upfront mean guys. That's where the term "nice guys" come in. They can use it on ANY guy they want so they feel better about themselves despite dating and fucking idiots. It's a term used to excuse them being idiots, it's not legit. And see, when men, BOLD ones stand up and say this, IRONICALLY, we GET that label CONSTANTLY. We are literally sometimes MEAN and AGGRESIVE about it when we bring it up... yet we are considered... weak "nice" guys... there's no sense in that.
2. Your quote "20% of dudes are having four times as much sex than the average woman, with 80% *of all women," may be true... but it only bothers men if they let it bother them. See, women use this power of sex as an advantage. What effort is really there in seducing a man and sucking his cock compared to the empires, inventions, and philosophy that men have created? Answer: Nothing. Women can suck cock? So can men Women can fuck? So can men Women are needed to multiply? So. Are. MEN. (con'd)
More so, men made a mistake the minute it decided women must be sub servant because they have some physical differences. Women should have long ago been made to work and put the same amount of effort or close to it as they can get as a man. We have it proven today women are in fact capable of nearly anything a man is so WHY are they not put to the same standard, but given sexuality as a boost? If anything, many women can just show a boob and get a tip for it. Can men have nearly the same chance of doing the same? Can we just flash our cock or show our muscle and have NEAR the same amount of chance of getting paid? NOPE. BUT supply and demand plays HUGE factor here of course. Women supply sexuality as an advantage, ONLY if men DEMAND it. If men as a whole say NO, not interested! We have sex bots! We do NOT need women for sexuality. Period... anything at all that makes money off a woman's sexuality will IMPLODE in a way of nuclear meltdown. Businesses would COLLAPSE. Markets would EXPLODE in fires. BILLIONS of women that rely on this would be flat out HOMELESS and DIE. When women say they want equality, there's no reason not to say OK while making sure FOR CERTAIN it is exactly that, EQUAL, meaning sexuality has ZERO impact. We have a lot of hypocrisy among women trying to make things "equal" yet still playing the sex game as well and it's likely why many men THINK it's best to NOT want them equal, which is foolish. It's blinding. Wake up. Women are often playing men as fools easily manipulated by boobs. When men refuse this, they manipulate as well as they can to SHAME those non conformists and make sure they can't gain power. Think about this. Let me know your thoughts.
@errorgoodnameunfound Well, I have to get off the train at this point. You lost me at the MGTOW stuff.
I am aware of it and I think itâs got kernels of truth in it, but right now I donât want to turn women away. Quite the opposite. I want to gain more sexual experience.
How I do that is anyoneâs guess, but Iâve realized Iâd rather not continue to sit on the sidelines.
However, this doesnât mean I condone either ânice guysâ or bullies. In fact, Iâm trying my best to become more bold and daring, and upfront. More flirtatious and less uptight all the time. Being active on this site is part of that journey for me. Thinking about things, talking them out, seeing different viewpoints and drawing conclusions and what have you.
Right now I think confronting bullies while refusing the ânice guyâ mindset is the correct path forwards. This includes calling individual women out if they support bullies as well. The other big this is being non-outcome oriented, instead just going with the flow without expectation â only trying to have genuine and mutually enjoyable interactions and conversations with no hidden motives; always.
And lastly, going out and speaking to more living girls. Itâs all too easy to sit at home on a computer and read a bunch of articles, connect the dots and become very angry or upset very quickly. Iâm guilty of this as well. I think itâs important to also do personal discovery to see for myself whatâs actually the case first hand to make sure Iâm not fabricating crap in my head.
Finally, I need to build self-confidence in my looks. I ruminate more than I have direct experience to back up. I get thinking one thing and go âyeah that could make senseâ and never stop to check whether or not the thing in question is actually true or not.
This is all related though, the more compliments I get from interacting more the more I can develop self-esteem over time. Itâs a big feedback loop.
@Robertcw Dude, what exactly scares you about MGTOW and when did I sound like it? You can't claim to dislike it but also accept red pill theories and shit. What community do you think helped it become a thing? You realize I took lessons from it but I'm not fully into it right? Since I am for women's equal rights and I am not that into getting sex or multiplying (I am a anti natalist), many from it would reject my stance. You don't have to go full MGTOW, but you only hurt yourself taking "nice" guys as a serious phrase that exists. You can't claim to confront bullies while still using a phrase that they invented and want you to use. Perhaps you need to realize you don't need women for sexual pleasure. There's guys, there's your goddam hand, and in the future, there will be sex robot brothels hopefully. Why are women necessary for "sexual experience"? Hell, why is that a goal? It's not that big of a deal. Women can be great but also quite horrible so they are often just not worth the trouble just to get laid. Think with your brain dude, not your penis. Women control you if you think with your penis. You want to be at the mercy of boobs all the time?
@errorgoodnameunfound You have good points. I went 'monk' for the past two years myself after feeling like I rushed into my first sexuak experience in an unsatisfactory way. I want to set that aside right now and be an optimist about the good of interacting with the opposite sex going forward.
I'm ready to leave the woods as it were. But, I think MGTOW is great. Lots of guys doing deep self reflection, practicing introspection. Keep on keepin on.
Ah, didn't know theirs only two types of men : (False dilemma: "A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option. A false dilemma can arise intentionally, when a fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice or outcome.")
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Can someone define 'bad guy' and 'nice guy'? I'm not sure I understand your definition of either term, might just be me. But, they seem like two opposite extremes. 😂
How about a "normal guy"? As in, just a pleasant person to be around and talk to. A man with whom it's possible to form a mutually loving, loyal, and companionate bond. Both a friendship and a loving relationship.
I'm sure there are plenty of good men like that out there.
'Nice guys' are the guys who think they're entitled to women because they're apparently so nice, except they will give a woman shit for rejecting them and they're sometimes socially awkward. This myTake is more of a twist on 'bad guy' directed towards these 'nice guys' and why girls date these so called 'bad guys', but I touch on the fact that it's often their own perception that makes them 'bad' in the nice guys eyes, if that makes sense? I was in essence, and in some parts, talking about normal guys though, when I refer to bad guys.
"who think they're entitled to women because they're apparently so nice"
That's the common stereotype. I think if you look deeper, you can easily switch the word "entitled" for "guys that are confused." Would it not confuse you if a guy didn't want to date women that treated them well and instead only wanted girls that wanted to direct drama and abuse at him? It seems reasonable as to why they are confused. Of course they often get bitter in time which is what you focus on.
I'm an outsider observing. I wouldn't date a girl that wants abusive guys anyway. There's too many good girls to date.
But seriously, I noticed this phenomenon wayyyyyyyy before it was popularized--when I was your age. Basically many young girls like idiots that treat them like crap when young. Maybe it's because the guys are often hot, into borderline illegal things or whatever it is. When girls get to be about 25-30, they usually start to realize they want to prioritize stability and harmony over excitement and abuse.
wait a sec... if you refer to bad guys as normal guys... doesn't mean the entire mytake is a lie? You dated normal guys not bad ones! Liar! And yet the whole time, you acted honest... AHA! You're one of those bitter "nice girls" aren't you? Must be!
@cavmanier yep around 30 for women, it's called THE WALL. The looks fade and if there is nothing else backing it up, better start getting clingy and begging for mercy as life is only at about 30% :)
@errorgoodnameunfound So you're a mgtow. đ
So you actually like ford mustangs according to your profile pic xD LOL omg ford mustangs? looossseeerrrr. (this is sarcasm by the way, I may or may not be mgtow so what if I am or not? Ik women like you want a reason to be condescending but it won't work on me. It's a good try, good effort, I guess, but nope, not gonna work, especially coming from a... xD FORD fan... LOL) Oh and I see the license plate. Texas. You really are making our state look shittier ya know? But wouldn't surprise me if you are invading into Dallas from some LA suburb. Borders are open so you can go back :)
And at the very least, I have evidence in what I said, as you do in fact have a Ford Mustang with a Texas license plate. Meanwhile, you lack evidence 100% on whether I am or am not part of MGTOW yet go ahead and laugh anyways whether you know it's true, kinda like laughing at comic strip that isn't really a comic strip, but a blank peice of paper isn't it? But alas, I expect a response of "TL;DR" or whatever insulting condescending bs you can come up with. Come on. Show your worse. At least it'll keep me from yawning.
1) They are bad you just justify it because he makes you wet and he's generally nice to you.
2) Nearly all men are confident, plenty incredibly so! You like a man who is CONFIDENT playing women emotionally, not confidence for confidence sake.
3) Sounds like your confusing kindness with co dependency or some other attachment disorder.
4) Again confusing good well adjusted men with a cartoonish trope that you can attack and justify liking bad men.
Seems like you are trying to convince your self of your own bullshit.
nothing is black or whiite. only shades of grey. most of them have some bad tendencies but are nicer than your average "nice guy". they just are more assertive, courageous and goal oriented. and non reactive to rejection and pressure.
My point exactly @Jager
@levantine99 that is true
@Valiant what you did is known as felonious battery. You were entitled to verbally engage him-by your self confessed battery you have committed a criminal act and not only should do jail time for violent crime but also are open to a civil lawsuit for damages. Since it was an intentional tort you open yourself up to enhanced damages (punitive damages, aka "exemplary damages") in addition to the usual general and special damages. Even though you are only 20 and therefore probably broke these can be extracted from you via payroll attachment. You might have every reason to be offended at what the other guy was saying but the moment you engaged in physical violence you crossed a legal and societal line.
Dont know what a nice guy is exactly... I mean I'm nice as in I would treat a girl like a gentleman... I would treat her with respect... Like "hi 😍... Your pretty... What's your name?"...
But I'm not exactly a good person either... I've committed a few small crimes... I'm also not a nerd and heavily into hip-hop music and culture... So does that mean I'm a nice guy cos I would treat a girl nicely?
Do you have to be sort of a asshole to girls to be considered "not a nice guy"?
Or is a nice guy just a dorky virgin who treats females with too much respect?
I'm confused lol
I was referring to the 'incel' type of nice guy, it's in the disclaimer.
waaaaait... you said "not a nerd" yet into some sort of culture. That sounds like a VIRGIN NEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! DORK! And how tf ya into hip hop much being from the UK? "Mmm yes sir charles, could ya pass the tea and crumpets DAWG? And hows bout I beat the palava outta ya at playin some hoops later ol chap?" LOL xD
@errorgoodnameunfound my bad, yes, I agree... Saying culture does sound kinda dorky... I jus wanted to use some word that described hip-hop clothes, music, slang, graffiti.. all aspects of hip-hop, mainly because I couldn't be bothered to sit and write all that... I thought it would be easier to jus say culture... And nah lol.. not all Brits talk posh lol, have you ever heard Londoners or been to London?
We have these things called chavs... That is the best example of how a British hip-hop head would speak.. they use words like "fam" "yo pass me the blunt fam" "ima shank you"
Etc... I don't know them all... I personally don't use those sort of slants myself cos I don't wanna look like a wigger or a wanna be black guy... But I do use light slang sometimes.. like for example I say yo instead of hi.. or wassup... "Cool"... I dunno... I jus don't speak all formal is what I mean
@errorgoodnameunfound and being from UK doesn't effect it much... It just started when I was 3 n I saw these 2 guys walking around the local shop with extra baggy clothes and baseball caps n stuff... I jus thought "damn that's so cool... I wanna be like them one day"
So I started dressing the same way... Then I heard Eminem on the TV and ever since then I been hooked on hip-hop music and can't stop listening to it ever since... I listen to it at least 30x a day
Ah I figured dude. I've seen the Ali G movie before, lolz, so I have some sort of idea of what you likely meant. I had a small feeling you were putting off nerdy stuff as if it was a bad thing so I decided to troll a bit and test it. But good job and standing your ground, cause trust me if ya didn't I'd still be sitting around callin ya a dork. I do on purpose very ironically cause I am one myself, but it's hilarious to call people really far from stereotypical nerdy and dorky stuff nerds and dorks. Its puzzles people because its super unexpected and it gives me leverage in conversation, just in case they start to get mean or something. Ya gotta realize tho... if you've ever played GTA SA, the amount of super dorky references they make is EXTREMELY high. Honestly, the gangsta hip hop stuff and nerd culture goes hand in hand a lot of times, so careful what ya say. Remember, people like Jay Z at one point teamed up with linkin park, there's rappers that often LOVE superman and stuff. Even MLK Jr. the true OG, was a trekky, or into star trek. :) Everyone has a nerdy side. Can't escape really.
And that's how ideologies are ruined. Bad guys are bad guys. Simple as that. You're talking about bad guys. You're talking about actual guys. Those nice guys you said like those guys who manipulate you and entitled to blame others aren't nice. This is why I hate those terms because you're giving actual guys then name "bad guys". www.google.com/search
FINALLY SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS WHAT I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING FOR THE LONGEST FUCKIN TIME!
i'm so tired of this bad guy vs nice guy conversation. nobody even seems to be able define the terms, including you, who only writes one sentence to declare what a bad guy ISN'T before writing a whole article to justify why you're attracted to them... it's all a load of crap.
So well said.
its grey areas for the most part. and people also are dynamic and change.
No, nobody does. I am one person who has shared my own interpretation, that's why it's called 'myTake'. It's mytake on this conversation and my own subjective idea of what their definitions are.
"By bad guy, I mean any guy" yep that pretty much explains it. if people keep making these posts they're gonna find out how fast i go from a nice guy to a bad guy.
I said basically the same thing. Wholeheartedly agree. Ironically, when guys like us call this Hannah chick out on her BS, gals come at us saying we must be "incels" and nice guys" YET, I THOUGHT those type guys were friendly up front but aggressive later... were we not aggressive up front? Even more reason why this trivial BS is in fact BS.
🙄 âbad boysâ are bad for one simple reason. They have been treated badly in the past by a woman/ women. This can be their mother, girlfriend, partner, ex-wife etc. They are angry. As they should be! But donât for one minute think that you are special, and you will âchange themâ. You wonât! Only they can do that! And until / if they do, every woman in their path will be on the receiving end of backlash. Not worth the trouble!
I really am not a shy guy to begin with, i have my fair share of awkward moments but for most of the time i couldn't care less, when it comes to girls it's my past experiences not neccesarily in relationships that have damaged my insecurities and made them worse, i really find it hard to approach a random girl on the streets.
Not because i'm scared of rejection more because i want a specific type of girl.
I want a girl who understands me and my past and accepts those, i know most girls can do that and you can't expect someone to from the getgo but i'm searching for a specific type of sweet / cute girl and i generallly try to avoid bitchy / basic bitches which is hard downtown.
Also i don't think my insecurities will go away, i don't want to be that guy that asks a how do i look question, because even if some girls say i'm datable i know that's just self pitty and i don't like that.
For me, bad boys means undisciplined shitty people who don't have morals and they're not concerned with the country or the society.
I am not concerned with how they treat you behind the closed doors.
I judge people on the basis of what I see them doing.
I hate, HATE arrogant people. Nowadays people keep trying to look like Bollywood heroes and trying to look "cool" by using foul language and by their arrogant behavior. And I find it utterly disgusting .
I can see them eating talking and behaving like animals. They have completely forgotten their culture and values.
It's their parent's fault who did not restrain their activities right from the childhood.
Your "jelousy" argument is wrong.
They're not bad boys just because we are jelous of them
They're bad because of their behavior.
Again, these people treat you nicely only for getting laid.
Otherwise bad boys usually means shallow people.
as expected, mostly negative responses. just want to thank you otherwise, it's a nice insight in things you often fail to consider. gives me material to think about
Thank-you for your comment. :)
You date who you want.
That's all it boils down to.
Personally, I think my best relationships were with the nice guys. Yenno, people who respect me and won't lash out to any small inconvenience, show affection and genuine care etc.
Sure, the whole "bad boy" vibe is sold to us by Hollywood.
There's a certain thrill dating that type of guys but it's like chewing sugary candy gum. The taste goes away kinda quickly and then it's just super sticky and messy.
I prefer wholesome relationships.
There are two kinds of ânice guysâ. The fake ones that think that being âniceâ is all they need to get laid. I donât like them anymore than you do.
Than their are genuine nice guys. They are nice to everybody for the sake of just wanting good will and everybody to get along. They donât always have an âagendaâ when pursuing women by being nice. These guys often have other things going for them (good job, looks, confidence in being nice, athletic/hobbies)
Unfortunately those guys get rejected too. Why? Because they are boring to women.
Yup. Totally agreed! There's also pizza and "pizza". Cause you see, Pizza has tomato sauce, real dairy cheese, and nice dough made of wheat. "Pizza" is anything that has a substitute for the tomato sauce, dairy cheese and wheat dough formula. It acts like pizza, but I promise you! It is NOT pizza! It is "pizza"! Remember to add the condescending quotation marks to differentiate it because that's what mob mentality demands to do and mob mentality is lord and savior!
@errorgoodnameunfound fucking weirdo
Which kind of fuckin weirdo?
See, there are two kinds of âfuckin weirdosâ. The fake ones that think that being âweirdâ is all they need to do to be considered unique. I donât like them anymore than you do.
Than their are genuine weird guys. They are weird towards everybody for the sake of just being themselves. They donât always have an âagendaâ when around others by being weird. These weirdos often have other things going for them (strange but good job, specific looks, confidence in being weird/themselves/different, unique hobbies)
Unfortunately those weirdos get rejected too. Why? Because they are boring to people.
So basically it's ok for them to treat you poorly at the end of the relationship as long as they are charming in the beginning and there flaws just vanish as a appposed to dating someone who will probably treat you right through out the entire realtionship yeah makes sense makes complete sense
You know this has always been my problem with women and that bad boy bullshit women find every excuse in the book and literally promote the abusive behavior some of these men do then when a dude turns around and does it there all butt hurt like the fuck and they praise these men as if they are saints and they are all saints in there eyes it's fucking retarded logic like I'm sorry. Then on the other end of the spectrum there are the nicer guys but no no no I only ever here neagtivity about nice guys like there all entitled or fake or there door matts like no they fucking aren't you can't fucking generalize a group of people some guys might be like that but just cause a nigga nice don't mean shit don't get it fucked up that nigga
Preach.
Yet another person who hasn't grasped this myTake at all, haha. If you read it like I'm talking to an incel nice guy, you might grasp it. If you read it wanting some kind of justification for abuse, then you'll see just that.
Ok I'm convinced you must be fucking retarded I came into you my take with an open mind and incel nice guy is just as fucking bad if not worst then the bad boy character you described if there are seriously females out here that are thinking like this then you people are worse then anyone could have imagined
Cause your promoting the bad behavior then complain and put men in jail for it WHEN IT US ENTIRELY YOUR OWN FAULTS
Interesting take, but calling them a 'bad guy' is such a huge stretch (as you mentioned). Pretty indifferent about it though. This whole concept of nice/bad boy/girl is so dumb that I pretty much view anyone who uses that context has self-esteem issues (whether it is lack of confidence or arrogance).
It's all in the minor league of the relatioship world.
Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story.
A lot of the problem has to do with guys thinking being noce means you become desirable.
Also shy guys are less successful, lets keep it real, amd so are short guys, skinny guys, skinny-fat guys and obese guys.
So if you are any of that, stop being that.
(ok by that logic) nobody gives a fuck about your opinion dipshit. (hey look at me ladies! I'm a mean asshole? Imma destroy this random lord fucker for no apparent reason. sexy af right? come at me bithes :) My dick is hard and ready and this little boy can sit and learn how men do it). Saying THAT is sexy isn't is Mr. Lord_Chilled?
@errorgoodnameunfound no, not at all. But in your case, your inability to understand logic and emotional outbursts resembing a preteen have already destroyed any attractiveness you possible could have possessed anyway, so it doesn't matter.
My point is, being nice has nothing to do with being attractive to women.
You can be as nice as you want, or as much of an ass as you want, it won't make a difference. Being nice/not nice is not a determining factor in sexual attraction. That is the point.
You provided a good example to demonstrate this too.
You: "Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story."
Me: *says something really mean*
I made quite clear that my theoretical statement (yes, it was said theoretically, meaning I didn't mean any of it), was meant to show a mean side and asked you if that was attractive.
*Ignore the statement above, it submitted by accident before finisihed*
You: "Being nice =/= being attractive, end of the story."
Me: *says something really mean*
You: Illogical and emotional outburst! Aka, quite mean. You won't ever attract somebody ever.
You *now rephrasing*: Being nice OR MEAN has nothing to do with it.
Also, I am attractive somehow, I've dated before and rejected people too. Something about me is attractive, so you lied because of assumption due to being offended by something you did not read fully. Being a pretty chill friendly person may not be the determining factor in attractiveness in dating, but it helps, as when you aren't people like you may get offended right?
"Also shy guys are less successful, lets keep it real, amd so are short guys, skinny guys, skinny-fat guys and obese guys.
So if you are any of that, stop being that." I'm hoping that's sarcastic cause if not, I think therapy may be appropriate. I don't exactly see "dating" or "in a relationship" as your status. So I wouldn't exactly regard ya as the expert on women.
@errorgoodnameunfound
You didn't get the logic behind my statements, because you continue to have an emotional bias in your reasoning.
Illogical and emotional outburst! =/= Aka, quite mean.
Illogical and emotional means illogical and emotional, not mean.
What makes your statements unattractive is the fact that they are immature and lack reasoning. Not because they are mean.
You could have said something "nice" in an equally unintelligent manner, and it would still come off as unattractive purely because it would seem unattractive. Like i said, being "nice" doesn't change it.
Also, i am not rephrasing. I was explaining to you, the logic behind my statement.
If i say, "it doesn't matter how hot it is, this object cannot be affected by it, then that means that temperature does not affect that oarticular object" (just an example, i know that almost everything is affected somewhat by temperature) .
In this case, you did not understand the temperature part because i said 'hot' and thus i explained separately that coldness wouldn't affect it either.
Hot and cold are just two parts of the spectrum.
In this case, i dont know if there is an appropriate word that would explain the entire spectrum of being nice/not nice, and drive the point home, so i just said nice.
Feel free to correct it with a word that would encomass being both nice and mean.
The meaning and logic remains the same.
Your personal expereiences cannot have any effect on my readoning because i dont know you. I dont know how successful you are. I cannot take anecdotal evidence of someone who is argueing against me as a fact.
But i will tell you that whatever success, or lack thereof you have, has nothing to do with how noce you are.
I know plenty of mean dudes that mistreat the hell out of women that have plenty of womem all over them. Thats my amecdotal evidence that completely opposes yours.
So what would that say, that both being nice and being mean positively attracts women?
@errorgoodnameunfound no, the logical conclusion would be to say that being nice has nothing to do with attractiveness.
There are plenty of nice/good guys who are with women.
And there are plenty of mean/evil guys who are with women.
You would be surprised by how many extremely violent/evil men locked up in prison, even death row, have plenty of women writing love letters to them.
Does that mean being bad in itself attract women?
No, there are plenty of losers who are mean and nasty as well, and they do not attract women.
It simply is not a factor that plays into attractiveness.
Its not like charisma, good looks amd social status. These are qualities that attract women. And all of these can be possessed by both "good "and "bad" men.
"I'm hoping that's sarcastic cause if not, I think therapy may be appropriate."-
No im being completely homest as i said.
Being shy, short, skinny, skinny-fat and obese are all unattractive qualities for men.
And with the exeption of your height, and maybe shyness to an extent, all of it can be changed.
Or, make up for it in other ways. Shy people will always be a bit more introverted than extroverted but you can still develop amd express confidence.
Skinny, skinny fat and obese people cannot change their body structure but they can change their body composition and go much, much higher up the attractiveness ladder. The only thing that you couldmt help is being short. In which case you will just make up for it in other ways.
Girls love bad boys! I had to learn this in the worst way... i was educated to be a "nice guy", but i saw all the girls wanting the bad boys in school. I thought i was right because i was sweet and gentil and a gentleman, but the truth is that this is weakness, and women don't like weak guys. An advice to all men: don't be a nice guy. And the term bad boys doesn't mean an evil motherfucker, i am a very good person but the last girl calling me a "good guy" was 10 years ago.
yeah blue pilling boys and creating "nice guys" is cancer. but almost no other woman mentions how we play a role in it. especially the mothers. and how we dont teach them how attraction really works but only give them the be a good boy preaching.
Here is the difference between Nice Guys and "Nice Guys."
Nice guys have no ulterior motive. They just treat people how they'd like to be treated with no expectations.
"Nice guys" on the other hand are whiny, manipulative little pricks. They seem to think that each "nice thing" they do gets them a point on a punch card and when it is filled they get a free booty call.
This isnât really accurate but whatever. They are the regular people who wonder why someone else was chosen over them when they did nothing wrong, over and over and over and over.
Then eventually it becomes âman wtf is wrong with me.â Then if finally becomes âIâve done nothing wrong! What did he do better that I did wrong?â
The answer, of course, is that those other guys are naturally more aggressive. Thatâs the uncomfortable truth of female sexuality as many red pill experiments have shown.
People spin this truth all sorts of ways, including inventing the narrative that ânice guysâ are actually just a bunch of people who want to literally exchange good deeds for sex â as if that makes any sense at all. (It doesnât).
People might think this after investigating, wondering what the hell is wrong with these guys because they are doing fine themselves. Well, by then all youâll see is the frustration and you might assume they were always like this, but youâd be wrong in making that assumption.
The fact is they always had trouble, way before they ever knew they would have trouble. Way before they ever had problems or even tried. They just didnât realize it until after failing multiple times.
Ok, if so, then I suppose this is accurate as well.
Here is the difference between nice girls and "nice girls."
Nice girls are just friendly gals that respect. They just treat people how they'd like to be treated with no expectations.
WAIT A SEC... "nice girls"? Never heard THAT phrase before... weird... so
"Nice girls" on the other hand are whiny, manipulative little pricks. They seem to think that because they act sweet and friendly on the outside that nobody will ever figure out their ulterior motives.
WAIT A SECOND... hmmm... never heard "nice girls" as common phrase before... weird... you'd think there'd be female and male equivilent for this sort of thing... unless... there's no such thing as fake women? ONLY fake men exist? According to the logic of these terms... seems so...
Here's the difference between Nutella and "Nutella"
Nutella is a brand of the original chocolaty, hazelnut spread by Ferrero that lives along with Ben & Jerry's in acheiving godhood when it comes to food. Expensive? Yes. Worth it once in a while as a treat? DUH.
"Nutella" is any brand that is not Nutella but acts like Nutella. It's a chocolaty, hazelnut spread that pretends to be Nutella but again, it is NOT Nutellla. People call it Nutella? YES. Is it Nutella? NO. Then why do people call it Nutella? Well because it's not Nutella! It's fake Nutella! It's "Nutella."
I hope my Nutella example seems as ridiculous as it is meant to be and hopefully helps to stop this stupid terminology. As a man especially, you only hurt yourself giving people an excuse to see nice normal guys as bad and seriously harmful guys as good.
Hell, I could say YOU are only agreeing with the take cause you are just a lonely single "nice guy" pretending to like what some girl here says in order to try to get her attention. I could say you are a fake male feminist while I'm a mean bad dude harshly calling a gal out on her BS. Think about it.
@errorgoodnameunfound Dude what are you talking about. I am not trying to agree with her at all. I don't like whst sbe wrote. But what she wrote is true.
Its not only "nice guys" but also regular nice people as well. They just don't have sex appeal.
It's kinda sick when we think about it but its too be expected when we look at our evolutionary history.
Based on your response though, you seem just fine in the aggression department. You shouldn't have any problems so I don't see what the big deal is for you.
I still think what I wrote is true.
@Robertcw Sorry for the confusion dude. I was talking to Liam. I just noticed we happened to start our sentence similarly. Didn't decide before whether to agree or disagree with ya yet. I guess I kinda am unsure a bit about the aggression theory, but first, I must point out I saw your spat with that Valiant gal. She's blocked me too a while back and I'm pretty sure it was over a similar topic, so I haven't been able to give her a piece of my mind ever since.
"You see, women have got to understand that choosing bullies like that man is not helping their cause.
Although I think a few too many assumptions were made about that guy who got jumped, that point is VERY respectable. Instead of at the very least seeing your point, that valiant chick immediately jumped to defend the guy who punched another. Despite him talking shit, there's no reason for violence. Yah, responding violence to violence isn't the best either, but you had a point and instead of seeing any good at all, she likely didn't read any of your explanation, but instead called you a "nice guy" and proceeded to block you I bet. Back to your thing about aggression, it's very ironic ya know, but it in some ways supports BOTH what I said AND what you said. Not too long ago, I made a similar point to somebody else, and some gal assumed I'm MGTOW with a laugh emoji. Now, think about this. In what I said, I think whether in misunderstanding or not, it did seem a bit aggressive right? When you misunderstood and even now, I doubt I'd be put in the so called "nice guy" dept would I? So now this chick, ironically, likely with similar veiws as that valiant girl comes along, and assumes I'm MGTOW, which I'm guessing since it's meant to be condescending, in her eyes, it's a synonym for "nice" guy. Ironic right? According to you, another dude, I'm aggressive. According to me, you seem to favor aggression. Yet, according to both those girls' logic, SOMEHOW, we'd be somehow classified as "nice" guys? this works HOW?
@errorgoodnameunfound Here's how I see it. 80% of all guys start out as regular nice guys. 20% are bullies.
Among these 80%, some turn into "nice guys" down the road. Among all these guys, none of them are getting very much sexual activity. The regular nice guys are viewed as genuine people but don't have a sexy vibe; they don't expect anything from anyone.
"Nice guys" are Nice Guys who get sexually frustrated. "Nice Guys" can go back to being Nice Guys and Nice Guys can turn into "Nice Guys" at any time.
The Bullies seem to never get sexually frustrated, because they seem have no issues getting sexual activity. This seems to be because of the way they act. It's sexually arousing, they have a sexual vibe. However, they aren't really nice to anyone -- except for maybe a handful of women at a time, perhaps only temporarily.
Now. Nice Guys can be charming because they lack the negativity of "Nice Guys" and are polar opposites of bullies. They give girls a change of pace from time to time.
I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think I'm right. If I am wrong, though, I'd rejoice and sing it from the rooftops. Because it irks me to think 20% of dudes are having four times as much sex than the average woman, with 80% *of all women.* Which means they are also having way more than 4 times the average sex of the average male.
@Robertcw Well, 2 points for your response.
1. "nice guys" is a term I see mainly women use as way to excuse loving horrible people. With this term, any guy, average, fake, friendly, anything but flat out mean and nasty, can have it pushed on them as a label and suddenly the reputation is dragged through the mud even if undeserved. I recommend a demand NOT to use that label and to instead shove "nice guys" into the same category as up front mean ones, because it's WAY more honest. There is no true difference in intention and negativity associated with a mean up front bully and a guy pretending to be friendly in order to get in a girls pants. Both are often manipulative and mean spirited. Both are equally bad. No way around it, but ya see, since girls often seem to like this up front bully 20% kinda guy, despite it being an idiotic selfish move that's not often excusable, they have to FABRICATE an enemy that they put as BIGGER and WORSE than the upfront mean guys. That's where the term "nice guys" come in. They can use it on ANY guy they want so they feel better about themselves despite dating and fucking idiots. It's a term used to excuse them being idiots, it's not legit. And see, when men, BOLD ones stand up and say this, IRONICALLY, we GET that label CONSTANTLY. We are literally sometimes MEAN and AGGRESIVE about it when we bring it up... yet we are considered... weak "nice" guys... there's no sense in that.
2. Your quote "20% of dudes are having four times as much sex than the average woman, with 80% *of all women," may be true... but it only bothers men if they let it bother them. See, women use this power of sex as an advantage. What effort is really there in seducing a man and sucking his cock compared to the empires, inventions, and philosophy that men have created? Answer: Nothing. Women can suck cock? So can men Women can fuck? So can men Women are needed to multiply? So. Are. MEN. (con'd)
More so, men made a mistake the minute it decided women must be sub servant because they have some physical differences. Women should have long ago been made to work and put the same amount of effort or close to it as they can get as a man. We have it proven today women are in fact capable of nearly anything a man is so WHY are they not put to the same standard, but given sexuality as a boost? If anything, many women can just show a boob and get a tip for it. Can men have nearly the same chance of doing the same? Can we just flash our cock or show our muscle and have NEAR the same amount of chance of getting paid? NOPE. BUT supply and demand plays HUGE factor here of course. Women supply sexuality as an advantage, ONLY if men DEMAND it. If men as a whole say NO, not interested! We have sex bots! We do NOT need women for sexuality. Period... anything at all that makes money off a woman's sexuality will IMPLODE in a way of nuclear meltdown. Businesses would COLLAPSE. Markets would EXPLODE in fires. BILLIONS of women that rely on this would be flat out HOMELESS and DIE. When women say they want equality, there's no reason not to say OK while making sure FOR CERTAIN it is exactly that, EQUAL, meaning sexuality has ZERO impact. We have a lot of hypocrisy among women trying to make things "equal" yet still playing the sex game as well and it's likely why many men THINK it's best to NOT want them equal, which is foolish. It's blinding. Wake up. Women are often playing men as fools easily manipulated by boobs. When men refuse this, they manipulate as well as they can to SHAME those non conformists and make sure they can't gain power. Think about this. Let me know your thoughts.
@errorgoodnameunfound Well, I have to get off the train at this point. You lost me at the MGTOW stuff.
I am aware of it and I think itâs got kernels of truth in it, but right now I donât want to turn women away. Quite the opposite. I want to gain more sexual experience.
How I do that is anyoneâs guess, but Iâve realized Iâd rather not continue to sit on the sidelines.
However, this doesnât mean I condone either ânice guysâ or bullies. In fact, Iâm trying my best to become more bold and daring, and upfront. More flirtatious and less uptight all the time. Being active on this site is part of that journey for me. Thinking about things, talking them out, seeing different viewpoints and drawing conclusions and what have you.
Right now I think confronting bullies while refusing the ânice guyâ mindset is the correct path forwards. This includes calling individual women out if they support bullies as well. The other big this is being non-outcome oriented, instead just going with the flow without expectation â only trying to have genuine and mutually enjoyable interactions and conversations with no hidden motives; always.
And lastly, going out and speaking to more living girls. Itâs all too easy to sit at home on a computer and read a bunch of articles, connect the dots and become very angry or upset very quickly. Iâm guilty of this as well. I think itâs important to also do personal discovery to see for myself whatâs actually the case first hand to make sure Iâm not fabricating crap in my head.
Finally, I need to build self-confidence in my looks. I ruminate more than I have direct experience to back up. I get thinking one thing and go âyeah that could make senseâ and never stop to check whether or not the thing in question is actually true or not.
This is all related though, the more compliments I get from interacting more the more I can develop self-esteem over time. Itâs a big feedback loop.
@Robertcw Dude, what exactly scares you about MGTOW and when did I sound like it? You can't claim to dislike it but also accept red pill theories and shit. What community do you think helped it become a thing? You realize I took lessons from it but I'm not fully into it right? Since I am for women's equal rights and I am not that into getting sex or multiplying (I am a anti natalist), many from it would reject my stance. You don't have to go full MGTOW, but you only hurt yourself taking "nice" guys as a serious phrase that exists. You can't claim to confront bullies while still using a phrase that they invented and want you to use. Perhaps you need to realize you don't need women for sexual pleasure. There's guys, there's your goddam hand, and in the future, there will be sex robot brothels hopefully. Why are women necessary for "sexual experience"? Hell, why is that a goal? It's not that big of a deal. Women can be great but also quite horrible so they are often just not worth the trouble just to get laid. Think with your brain dude, not your penis. Women control you if you think with your penis. You want to be at the mercy of boobs all the time?
@errorgoodnameunfound You have good points. I went 'monk' for the past two years myself after feeling like I rushed into my first sexuak experience in an unsatisfactory way. I want to set that aside right now and be an optimist about the good of interacting with the opposite sex going forward.
I'm ready to leave the woods as it were. But, I think MGTOW is great. Lots of guys doing deep self reflection, practicing introspection. Keep on keepin on.
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I'm sure bad guys are good for you.
Ah, didn't know theirs only two types of men :
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