
Why do men stay with women if they are unhappy?


OH, this question right here! THIS here is why women don't even know how privileged they are compared to men. Men stay in relationships even if they're unhappy because they know how hard it will be for them to find another girlfriend, whereas girls can easily break up with a guy and will already have at least 10 guys around her who would instantly say yes to being with her. It's a well known fact that 80% of all women will always aim for the top 20% of all men. Basically, if you're not in the top 20% of all men, you'll only have potential access to the bottom 20% of women. This is why rich, powerful, handsome and influential men have absolutely no issues with breaking up with any woman, because they have 80% of the female population basically waiting for the chance to be with them. And that leaves about 20% of the female population left for the bottom 80% of men, which makes their odds of finding an available person very slim. Then they also have to take into account the likelihood of them meeting someone who suits them and also the likelihood of them suiting the new woman. It's basically a lottery for men who break up with their wives to do so, and even if they get a new relationship, they may find it even worse than their previous one. And that's why men stay with women even when they are unhappy.
Or at least, most men. You have men like me who are in the bottom 80% of all men, but have a strong personality and would rather be happy and alone than in a relationship and miserable. But we're maybe 10% of the 80%, or 8% of all men.
Just to mention that this is very generalized and that there are a lot of other contributing factors, and also doesn't account for the fact that not all of those 80% of women will be able to get a guy in the top 20%, so they will eventually settle for a "less worthy" guy, but that only slightly increases the guy's chance if he breaks up. The reason I mentioned is just the main and biggest reason for this happening.
For men, it's usually because they feel multiple levels of responsibility, not just to the wife but to the relationship in general, to the children (if any), and to the legal and financial situations. Most men also take the "for better and for worse" part pretty seriously.
That doesn't mean that the guy isn't at the very least partially at fault (and I've known some men who were pretty horrible relationship partners, as well as men who stayed with some pretty horrible relationship partners), but most men are less apt to run away from their problems - even when they should.
The fact that men ALSO tend to have some pretty major financial, legal, and custody penalties from divorce that most women don't is also a contributing factor.
Not only MEN, WOMEN do the same thing.
Because they are scared of the aftermath, they are scared to regret their decision and it will lead them to suffering.
Usually people HOPE for a change, but you can-t hope for a change if you are not WORKING ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP.
I think this is for both genders not just men.
Because some do want to try and make it work instead just giving up on their relationship. Another reason is cause they settled, comfortable, or don't think they can find someone else, or don't want to restart things over with another woman. It could be anything really.
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Are you asking about dating relationships or marriage?
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When you get married, you make a promise that you aren't going to walk away just because things aren't working well. You stay and work on the marriage. It's not supposed to be like returning towels at Bed, Bath & Beyond because you bought the wrong color.
So, then, do you think men are better at keeping their promises than are women?
Okay, I guess you aren't going to respond, so I'll answer my own question. No, girls are neither better nor worse than guys at keeping their promises. And it doesn't matter too much because while it takes two people dedicated to each other to make a marriage work, it only takes one selfish partner to tear a marriage apart, and it doesn't really matter whether the fault lies with the husband, or wife, or both. They both suffer when the marriage fails and, far too often, so do the children that they had in the meanwhile.
^^Great point @OlderAndWiser
You have to work through it and find that spark again. You make vows "for better and for worse".
Hate it when someone asks a question and doesn’t reply to the people answering it. Dumb asses
@ronaldo75 If men think that women, all by themselves, can prevent a father from seeing his children, then those men need to get some legal advice.
@ronaldo75 Thanks for the explanation but I guess you don't know me. I am an attorney and I handle divorce cases routinely. I know how such things work. Parents who interfere with the other parent's visitation encounter a great deal of hostility when they get dragged into court to account for what they have done.
So you work with people who 1) can afford lawyers for divorces cases and 2) have the resources and time to chase after these matters. Trust me, I've seen plenty of men with court mandated visitation rights who are denied visitation routinely and the courts do NOTHING to help. I'm not sure how you haven't seen this.
@ronaldo75 I work with clients who can barely afford to pay and I allow them to pay in installments over a period of months. I also charge rates that are lower than the prevailing rates, especially for someone with my level of experience. As for the time. . . if a father says he does not have the time to pursue enforcing his visitation rights, then he isn't really much of a father.
When you hear stories about father's being screwed over in court, it usually means that you have heard only one side of the story. I am not saying that it never happens, but usually those absurd stories sound absurd only because you are not hearing all of the facts.
Ronaldo75 is totally right. My auntie stopped bringing her kids to visit my uncle just because she felt like it the courts did nothing and now he has zero contact with his kids and the court won't do anything to help him.
@Ameliabegumx One case of which you are aware does not prove that this happens to all guys. Were you in court with your uncle to see what happened?
Hahahah I never said it happens with everyone every case and ever father is different. What I’m saying is a woman can definitely take a mans kids away from him if they want to.
@Ameliabegumx "Women can't keep men away from their children. I'm a lawyer" is the male version of "You weren't raped. You were all over him last night" that women have to go through. I've heard the same line of "you're not hearing the full story" so many times I'm numb. My cousin literally has a mile-long record of trying to see his kids, he has visitation rights and STILL when she says she's not letting the kids see him - they don't see him and that's that. The reason? She's still mad from 10 years ago because she cheated, he divorced her and remarried. She doesn't want the kids around the new wife and so every month or so she comes up with some nonsense as to why he can't pick up the kids. But but... there has to be detail... some tidbit of info I'm not hearing.
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men can do the same. use kids against the mother.
drag on court cases. limit visitations and not pay lawyer fees when he makes more money.
So its both male and female who needs to be the selfish partner to end a marriage and at the end kids suffer the most like OlderandWiser said.
All they have to do is know how to play the system.
Some States are changing those laws.. still at the end, kids suffer and up to the selfishless parent to try to help kids manage their emotions and hope for the best to raise kids to become happy, healthy adults... eventually... all that court issues, divorces are just a matter of the past.
Because men are more rational. We understand that things will not always be perfect. There will be ups and downs in all relationships. If we care about someone, we’re optimistic that with time things will tern around. Women are more flighty and tend to run at the first sign of trouble, rather than stay committed to working things out (thus 70-80% of divorces being filed by women). Bottom line, men are just far more loyal. They care about their wife and kids and will grunt and bear it through a lot of emotionally stressful situations and get through it. We’re not pussies… And for all that, the courts thank us with child support, alimony, asset robbery, etc. Marriage is a systemic long con.
I might be young and still learning about life but I have been in multiple relationships and I can say that I do exactly what you said about knowing there will be ups and downs and that with time things will work out. Some women try their best to work things out and fix the issue (my mother included), but sometimes after every attempt at fixing the problem nothing happens so women end it. We think just as rationally as you men and sometimes even more but you don't see it. Divorce is a touchy subject and from what I hear it is mainly because of either an argument or one partner is cheating on the other but then sometimes (in my case) the man in the relationship/marriage is abusive to the children and/or the woman. Sometimes the women will break it off for ridiculous reasons I am not denying it but usually there is a reason that is completely justified weather it is because they have fallen out of love or believe that they are in a toxic relationship there are so many reasons for divorce or break up. You can't just say that women are more likely to run at the sign of trouble, we only run when we see no hope in resolving situations or we have tried everything we could to adjust or fix the issue.
I don't think you actually said anything different here. "-, we only run when we see no hope in resolving situations or we have tried everything we could to adjust or fix the issue."
The oc seems to be saying that women tend to allow themselves to have a lower threshold for reaching this point. And then you could call this point, the "trouble" from which women run and men don't; it's the point when it isn't obvious how things will work out, but you need to dig deep, do the introspection and persist anyway. It's like any other skill you have to put the work in to master.
But personally I believe it shouldn't be only one gender that takes this level of responsibility in love. I think women are just as capable, but they need to remember that this is how they ought to behave in handling love. And love is a choice, a will, or a skill. I think it is unwise to regard love as just a feeling.
If you "fall out of love", who's to say you don't "fall in love" again if you just gave it time? But females use the "fell out of love", or "unhappy" excuse to lay with other people, just because it's easier for females to do so, instead of working to truly build something.
Also some relationship amnesia helps a lot lol
But all of this I say in the context of a relatio non abusive, non intentional or truly extreme neglect, without infidelity.
relationship that's*
@rose929 The big reasons are not cheating or abuse its either 1) “lack of commitment”, which basically means the relationship lost a little luster and is going through a rough patch and the woman feels she’s not being wooed enough and getting enough attention because she has unreasonable expectations and thinks she’s giving more to the relationship than he is. The other big one is 2a) “money” and the 2b) “arguments” that happen over it. This again comes back to unreasonable expectations of the woman, since 80% of consumer purchases are made by women. Fights commonly follow some pattern similar to women spending irresponsibly which creates debt stress and financial instability, guy tells her to stop spending that we need to get out of debt and start saving some money, she gets angry and says you can’t control me I have a job to I’ll spend what I want and degrades him telling him he’s not ambitious enough or man enough, and they want to ring each other’s neck. After that you jump into infidelity, which is typically just slightly higher in women than men at young ages (probably because of reason 1). As men age into their 50s and 60s their infidelity rates rise, but by that point 95% of divorces have already occurred. Further down the list there are the minor factors like substance abuse, domestic abuse, health problems, religious differences, etc. They have merit where they happen, but they aren’t the root of the problem when it comes to high divorce rates.
I don't think this is even a gender specific questions - Couples stay together for all sorts of wrong reasons in this situation - There may be financial reasons (shared mortgage), kids all sort of practical things that are hard to untangle from - On an emotional level fear, fear of lonliness, maybe this would be less crap than the alternative - How sure is the person of the other option.
An example "I hate this job" but you don't leave until you get another job you are sure of.
Part of me understands this but another part says maybe it is better for everybody to leave and start afresh if nobody is happy.
There are many reasons. The first thing that comes to mind is the fear of being lonely. Along with that, the thought of having to start the relationship process all over again from the first "hello" is intimidating. Depending on the relationship, the man may feel very emotionally invested which makes it difficult to leave, even when the relationship is clearly unhealthy. Having children (or even owning pets) together makes leaving a partner exponentially more complicated and painful. Even when a man is unhappy with the relationship overall, there may be some positive qualities about his partner or their bond together that makes it difficult to say "I'm done".
Why do women string men a long?
Men and Women marry for the death to us part.
Even when we feel unwanted we try to make things work. We kill it telll its dead and gone.
Sometimes things in life get stressful in and out of work.
Marriage isn't easy nor is it perfect.
Anyone that tells you that has lied. It takes two to tango.
It takes the both of you in the good and bad times to find your way.
Ask him what the problem is how can we fix it?
Try and find oyt why he is unhappy.
Figure out why your unhappy.
Are you cheating? Is he cheating?
Because men sometimes prefer being unhappy than doing something about it. Its more safe when you have a home, but also gets to complain about it! Some men actually makes themselves a life-long career out of acting miserably, blaming the wife and what not, and sometimes, if she for instance dies, he realizes that he was wrong all along. That he loved her, can´t live without her, but was to stupid and afraid to see that and confront it, when there was still time. So now he can sit alone, miserable waiting for his turn to come, to die and get it all over. Because the notion, that he actually made both his own and his wife lives a living hell for so many years are killing him from inside...
Kids are often a major factor. Most men expect to lose them in a divorce. Some leave anyway but it’s a major reason men file for divorce much less then women do on most western countries. From the little data I’ve seen, when 50/50 child sharing becomes the norm, the rate men and women divorce at becomes about equal. The shift is caused by fewer women leaving.
I guess that people who aren’t happy having their kids 10% of the time or less are still unhappy at 50%, but people who expect to keep their kids (and the family house and their spouses income) are s lot more likely to divorce.
Because these men have no mission in life and rely on female validation to feel good about themselves. They accept every bullshit their abusive bitches throw at them thinking that this is the right thing to do, especially if they want to maintain the relationship. When these women have reached the point where they can't find any other way to humiliate these weak men or simply are not in the mood anymore they dump the man anyway because the latter failed to pass the woman's shit test that helps them distinguish the strong men from the weaklings.
I have ended friendships because of guys who were wining about how destroyed their life is now that the bitch wife dumped them instead of being happy to have the freedom to do anything that makes happy.
i'd say the top reasons for staying together if you're happy are emotional investment and convenience
Emotional investment:
For how long have you been together and how much work and emotions have you already invested? breaking up means you lose whatever you have already invested, which can be quite a considerable loss. you constantly evaluate if that loss is worth it and if breaking up will even solve your unhappyness.
Convenience:
you already have someone to fuck and emotionally exchange with. finding someone else you can do that with can be a major hassle, which isn't worth it.
For women, sometimes there can also come in a "fear" factor, if they're with a violent partner.
*if you're unhappy
Unless you are rich, famous or extremely funny/good looking dating is much much harder for the average man compared to the average woman (when all else is equal)
I’m seriously considering breaking up my girlfriend. She treats me great but there is no sexual chemistry. She hasn’t done anything wrong but the problem is out of her control.
But I’m horrified to go back to the dating market. I had the worst 2 years of dating in my entire life prior to meeting her. I don’t want to go back to that.
I disagree. I think the dating market is worse for girls bc all the good guys get snatched up
Whose job is it to ask for the date? Who has has to plan the date. Who has to pay for the date. Who has to take the risk of making a move?
all my friends in their 30s are struggling to find a good guy in their age group. most of the men in the 30s go for much younger women who dress like sluts and fuck on the first date.
I’m in my mid 30s and my girlfriend is 26. She doesn’t dress like a slut and she treats me well. That’s why I’m hesitant to break up with her.
But I have tried dating women in their 30s prior to meeting her. Here is my experience:
- Met 32 yr old woman in OK Cupid. I talk to her on the phone to let her know (and myself know) we are legit. I find out sublime and Rome is playing in my town. I tell I never do concerts on a first date but I’m willing to make an exception. She’s excited I buy two concert tickets. 80 bucks a piece. Concert day comes and she fucking blocks my number. For real. Never any sexual talk or anything even remotely creepy beforehand
- met 31 yr old woman at work. I get her number. Week later she gets fired and I tell her I’ll take her out for a drink to talk things out (also some hints I like her). She reschedule (no problem). The next day comes around and I go out to my way to were we wanted to meet up. She stands me up.
- met 31 yr old yoga school owner. Her and I have some political differences but we find it entertaining to debate. She tells me she is tired from hiking (and now it’s my “job” to entertain her.). We talk for ten minutes and she says he “has to use the bathroom”. She grabs her coat and I tell myself she’s a grown ass women and she leaves. She never comes back to the table and blocks my number. I never said anything sexual AT ALL. I sent her an angry text via a third party number telling her I won’t message her again but she needs to grow the fuck up.
- I have a brief casual relationship with a 31 yr old. I tell her early I don’t do the friendzone. She really doesn’t like me but she having revenge sex with me because her fiancé cheated on her. She then tells me she’s more interested in someone else and tries AGAIN to friendzone me. She was the least painful of all of them.
- and the list goes on
I seriously don’t know wtf is wrong with women in their 30s. It’s not my fault they have been burned
Also they act more picky and yet let’s face it. You and I do NOT look as good as we did in our 20s. You and I gave less room to be picky. But yet many women in their 30s are ridiculously picky. They are no fun. That’s why guys my age go for the younger ones.
speak for yourself bitch. I exercise and watch what I eat and take of myself so I look younger than some girls who are in their 20s and look extremely weathered due to smoking, tanning, excessive drinking, etc
Now you are taking this personally. I still have a six pack abs and I get guessed for much younger.
I just gave you my experiences from trying to date women in their 30s. Getting bitter and calling me a “bitch” is why I avoid women my age.
Honestly, it's probably because they fear they won't be able to find another woman, more than anything.
On another level, men can often be surprisingly idealistic, as well; so, it might be that they want that happy ending with the white picket fence, as well, and are willing to stay and try to fix things, even when they're unfixable. Men are fixers.
Probably a mix of a lot of things, really.
... the amount of support that women recieve is mind blowing compared to guys after seperation, women have a huge power over guys too, and can get attention and affection easier. Since I'm the guy suddenly I barely have parenting time and I recieve the blame in the community simply because she was unfaithful and a women.
If our societies in the West were truly equal there would be more support for Men and fathers, there are dozens of support groups for women in town, and quite literally only 1 in town for guys, and it's only accessible if there was extreme abuse or court ordered. If a mom needs a safehouse to flee to with her kids there are many, whereas there are none for dads
Unlike women, men don't usually just give up that quickly. We may recognize that we're not happy but may have hope that things will get better or that the bad moment in the relationship will pass. Sometimes men also stay because they have kids involved, and don't wanna go through paying child support.
Hope. Relationships change with time, and sometimes you have some bad times, but then you find something, or there is an event, and things change, and you find a new perspective, and a different way to see the other, and see the love that was there, again, but in a new way.
An ex friend of mine stayed in an abusive relationship for about 20 years, were among other things she would occasionally nicely ask him to kill himself for the insurance money.
Why did he stay?
Because she'd constantly tell him whenever he threatened to leave; "if you leave you'll never see those kids again".
My ex did the same thing.
She threatened to mive away with our child to keep me under her control.
@Jagathewise that's one thing you notice, the more men you ask about these issues, the more you find that they're not that uncommon, men just rarely talk about them out of stoicism.
Because they love to have something to complain about. Oppression olympics. If they leave their wives then they suddenly can’t blame it on the woman anymore that they gained 20lbs in a month for eating fastfood every day, that their hygiene is subpar etc. They need someone to blame it on yo.
It's a 2 way street men stay with women because it's financially convenient or too much of a hassle to split things. Women do the same thing I don't even know why you're asking a question about one sex women's day with men when they're unhappy for other reasons and men stay with women for other reasons. But I've been married 4 times if I don't like a situation I try to fix it and then if it doesn't work I'm done just like a job so maybe it is unfair for me to answer that
Others have mentioned divorce costs but beyond that many guys are wired to try and solve problems & think that there’s always a chance to fix things plus finding a woman & starting a relationship is a lot of work - i mean if you want more than sex.
Eventually guys lean not to give a crap as much tho
Same as women -- laziness, fear of being alone. Many people stay in minimally functional relationships because they are afraid that if they leave they won't be able to find anyone else. Or because they just don't want to go through the drama of dumping the other person.
Money , thats it really. Either divorce or if living together , moving out and finding somewhere new. New carpets decorating so Im sure it is usually financhial reasons. My ex got benefits for her health , I got money for looking after her. She was a complete bitch lol but I knew how much money I would loose if we split up. But Im glad we did now. But really not because of me but I feel most men stay because of money reasons and kids if there are any in the relationship
Have you seen how much divorce costs a guy? Particularly in the UK where it favours the woman historically.
For most men it financially cripples them for life whilst the woman moves on and finds another partner.
One of my bosses is in this very situation. He's still paying the wife altho she's now partnered to a high earner and he hasn't a pot to piss in.
Fear of the alternative.
If they have kids, not seeing them.
The financial catastrophe of losing the house but still having to pay for it, plus supporting the ex, plus renting his own place and supporting himself on what's left.
Fear of being alone.
Fear of having to learn to date again.
Often, it's the kids. I mean, if you have them. They'll try and duke it out, if it means staying together for the kids, but, eventually, it just becomes too much, even if they do have kids..
my cousin, who has 2, just got divorced from his wife of 11 years
I think this “unhappy” thing is an excuse for poor morals. I’m not saying it is this particular situation. I noticed that culturally people use “unhappy” as a reason to leave/divorce to get with someone else they will leave in 6 months or a year.
The way I see it if it is a marriage it doesn’t matter if you are happy or not. Should have planned better.
If it isn’t a marriage and there isn’t much financial investment involved talk about maybe parting ways.
Just my opinion.
Like it or not.
Agreed. When people talk about marriage being "meaningless" today, it's because it's treated that way.
It’s true. You nailed it.
Moral just aren't sexy, I guess? They often don't allow you to "keep up with the Jones'," on social media and reality TV.
Obviously I wish morals were what people valued today. But people seem to only value morals as they pertain to serial monogamy I guess.
relationships can be complicated. you need to first realize yourself what the source of your unhappiness is and then explain it to your partner at the right moment. that is if a man and a woman are dating. now if they are married it's obvious why men stay in an unhappy marriage. simply because they don't want the court to give all the man's savings and house to the spiteful wife
Oh pleasseeeee, men stay with women when they’re not happy because they be cheating the whole time anyway they tryna get double pussy they don’t care no man stays in a relationship they aren’t happy with
Because your partner is not responsible for your happiness. That is your responsibility, (our own). Partners compliment our lives not complete them.
I could ask the same thing about women it blows my mind seems like the worst you treat a woman the more she's attracted to them and yet a man that's good to treat them with respect they throw out with the trash. I'm not saying I'm perfect in any way but damn ladies
Usually it’s due to a sense of security. But sometimes it’s derived from old traumatic incidents or morals set in place by those they look up to just to see if the outcome remains, gets worse or get better
1. Because they may care for the girl, and would rather have her dump him and leave.
2. Because they may lose tons of money in a court settlement which are biased towards women.
3. Because they will be considered guilty for leaving a woman.
4. She's really hot/The sex is really good.
Unhappy isn't a constant of emotion. Usually there's periods of feeling unhappy with periods of feeling happy. He likely doesn't want to lose the good parts.
Because in every relationship there are going to be bad times and if you just up and leave someone just because you are unhappy at the moment then you're never going to find a long lasting relationship.
In this Feminazi country, men have no choices
If they divorce her, they lose much of what they have built over life... the matriarchy forces them to give it to her.
Not to mention that's much easier for women to find new men, especially after robbing her last victim. The poor would be left trying to find love after suffering a traumatic event and being robbed of half of his assets.
so they have to endure the abuse
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
My dad got screwed in this way.
Habit and guilt in my experience, it's so easy to get lost in complacency and routine that when you stop, you see you're unhappy.
1. We're stupid enough to believe that they are the same person we married X years ago, they're just having a rough time.
2. No other options.
3. Societally induced loyalty.
Because they are hopeful that they can make the situation better by working on themselves. Which is true in most cases.
Men often don't stay with a woman (but rather, he'll quickly replace her).
Men will, however, often stay with a woman if there is something the woman can provide, such as sex, money, position, etc.
Lack of options. Literally don't see any other reason. Emotional dependence I guess could be big part of it. If the woman is abusive and/or controlling I guess that could make it harder to leave.
Because we made a promise and are loyal. Also because we will be close to bankruptcy in a divorce because the woman will win almost everything.
For the same reasons that a woman who is abused will stay with an abuser.. we are convinced there is nothing better out there and we believe things will improve if we stick around..
Well in the case of marriage a divorce can potentially leave you in financial ruin especially if you're a man. I'm sure there are other reasons but I expect that's probably a pretty big one.
It's called marriage and it's not that simple. If men are to leave the woman when they are unhappy it will leave him financially devastated and potentially even homeless.
We all suffer from a fear of leaving the familiarity we have
Relationships are going to have roadblocks & rough patches, the guy is simply doing his best to work through that.
I know I have stayed in the past because I hate giving up on things including relationships. I want to be able to try and fix whatever is making us unhappy.
I never knew men stayed with women that they was unhappy with. All I hear about is how the cheat even on girls there happy with so I know there not staying with someone there unhappy with
It's very hard to start things over again with someone because were the ones being tested, whereas women are the ones testing, so it's very easy for women to find someone new.
We are endless optimists, and hope that current insanity can be cured.
Because they keep hoping stuff will improve, or they have nowhere else to go (particularly if he's much older than she).
Dating is more work for men. Thats why many men will stay in shitty relationships, because they dont wanna go through all that work again.
Cause divorce is expensive.
And in every break up, the guy is always seen as the one who messed up, even it wasn't his fault.
Can you blame them? 😂 It's no secret men are ruined financially in divorce courts
Men don't usually feel that overly strong and often insecure pull that women do but in it's place we get very comfortable very quickly.
Because men get fucked over in divorce, which is why women file 80% + of divorces.
And this ^^ is also why men are avoiding marriage in record numbers.
@ronaldo75 Yep, I have seen many similarly nightmarish scenarios. It's insane how badly men get screwed in divorce. Just insane. I don't know why any man would willingly enter into marriage today.
Why does anyone stay with anyone if they’re unhappy?
because a lot of men are just too pussywhipped like that
Because of fucking court system that favors women 99% of the time :)
thats why
I won't and I won't have any legal ties with her either.
Honestly iv never understood this either..
My best guy friends in this boat
Good men are often loyal to a fault. It's just in them to deal with discomfort for the bigger picture
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