She is likely with a lazy guy
Are there any studies that show where the man gets excited to work long hard manual labour jobs then come home to do all the upkeep repairs on the house vehicles and everything else? And if he's not helping take care of the children, he was her choice. She should have chose someone that loves and appreciates children including being around them. And it's also women too, I see a load of women on here too that don't appreciate children.
@ThisAndThat the vast majority of jobs among Americans are sedentary so the manual labor job point is mute "He was her choice" sure, and it's her choice to dump him...
That's right. The majority of American jobs are sedentary jobs which most men don't do. Feminism pushing open borders and socialism deporting American jobs was the reason for it too. Now women want to complain that it's men's fault. I am most men don't have time for that. I quit the idea of relationship and marriage over 30 years ago when my circumstances wasn't popular. And now I'm joined by an avalanche of men doing the same. And now with an added bonus because things are way worse than 30 years ago, they know why I did.
Sounds unlikely she probably just feels like that while it's not the case in reality.
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you must always add a value in your partner life ( other than love )
This is true. I heard a saying I feel is accurate. Men want to be needed and women need to be wanted.Also it’s not just in a relationship. Our friendships, our jobs, our day to day lives are all about what we can do to contribute. If you take that away you leave a husk of a man. My last relationship ended because my ex didn’t make me feel needed.
@VanillaSalt yes that is super true! It's just in y'alls DNA to want to be needed
Lol the number of times I’ve been told I don’t need a man or your pathetic if you need somebody. I’m disgusted with society right now.
Men and women need each other and if i met a woman says otherwise i say " you right i don't need you as well " 🏃🏃
Where do you have this idiotic bullshit from? Stop making shit up oyu idiot. Relationships of course Last longer if the man is the provider thats the actual current research. Wtf are you smoking? Are you insane? Is this satire?
That was a bunch of very aggressive nonsense. But since you want a source I was referencing in particular multiple sets of studies by Dr. Michael Rosenfeld from Stanford University dating from 2009 to 2015. Take your pick among them, since they all show the same thing. This again is not isolated data or cheery-picking. It may be slightly dated.As for studies on how long relationships lasts when who is the main provider, I am struggling to find any that specifically address that issue. However since you appear confident in the "actual current research" on this very niche topic perhaps you would enlighten me?
You are 23 it's not really relevant at that point anyways.
@WAT88 Oh yeah I forgot my age ment my opinions weren't valid. So being 23 Im clearly don't need money anyway because driving lessons, first time buying a house, dates , traveling, having children all that stuff I'm starting to think about in my life that's all free right untill when? When I turn 40 or something or when you actually don't decide to use my age as a pointless excuse to dismiss my opinion
@WAT88 plus your 22 so clearly you don't know what your talking about either
I just meant that most people are just starting out at that age so wages aren't all that meaningful at that point.
@WAT88 when you starting out it cost a lot don't you think. You have to buy your house, car etc it doesn't get given to you for free
Personally, I would be way way more stressed out if I was dependent on someone for money.
@BlackCatBone the intention of my statement was a man that was a provider can be great if she had aspirations.I thought about this, I wouldn't want to be the only support she has. But I could see myself being a provider. If my SO wanted to she could take tge opportunity to pursue what she wanted out of life. I think that is what support is all about. I have seen where the man is the sole provider in the relationship, it's harder for the family.
Ah so a independent women depends on a men. Nice. Lol.
@WAT88 no, it's a partnership. Not slavery with an extra step,
This, by the way, is why the key element in Marxism, which has taken over the Democrat Party, is to destroy the family unit. If they can break up the family unit, there is chaos and anarchy and it opens the door for a dictator to rise to power and oppress the population. Once they do that, the government controls the people, the people no longer control the government.The founders of BLM describe themselves as "trained Marxists." Need you know anything more. Already almost 3/4 of the children born to blacks in America are born out of wedlock with no father in the family. The Democrats are trying to make it 100%. It is their policies that are responsible for splitting up black families to keep them weak and under their control. That's why although black men make up only 6% of the population in America they are responsible for 50% of the violent crime and murders. The Democrats have them right where they want them. Murdering themselves in epidemic proportions. And the press they control is completely silent about it instead focusing on the tiny handful of incidents involving police.
Your opinion isn’t relevant to the post.
@Giselleselfish And why is that? Considering that I am vastly than you and thus actually understand human nature - something that takes decades to master - I think my opinion is more based in reality than anything that you can offer.
*vastly older than you
You didn’t base your answer on the post
@Giselleselfish Yes I did. I am sorry that your logic is off. Try to think it through.
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@Giselleselfish Sure I did.Here. This is what you wrote:"Why does the relationship last longer when the man is the provider?"Implicitly in this, when you say "is the provider", the "the" implies he is the ONLY provider and by "provider", we mean the person who brings in money.You also wrote "last longer".Last longer than what?Implicitly, a relationship in which the woman is the only source of income or the woman adds income to the relationship.So, let me rewrite your question:===When a man is the only source of income in a relationship, that relationship will last longer than one in which the woman is the only source or she is also is a source of income. Why is that so?===First, that's false generally, but may be fine statistically. As an example, E. Stan Kroenke is a billionaire, but not worth what his wife, Ann Walton Kroenke (she of Walmart), is worth. They've been married for decades.
* continuing *When a woman does not have income, she is living off of the man's money.If the relationship ends and becomes single/divorced, she cannot support herself (*) until she gets a job and can support herself. Life immediately becomes more difficult for her as she starts over. Especially if she also has to support children.So, a woman who is in such a marriage and is unhappy is more likely to stay in the marriage because, as bad as the marriage may be, the uncertainty of the future and the work needed to start over may be considered by her to not be worth it, so she stays in the marriage.(*) This is why there is alimony. Being unable to support yourself in an unhappy marriage is a form of slavery and, for the reasons I outlined, many people would stay in it. Alimony helps liberate the person who leaves the marriage.=============Now, I want to be clear. This same logic holds if the woman is the only source of income.Many a man would be reticent to leave the relationship under those circumstances.A significant difference though is that women are generally more cautious than men. Many men will risk starting over rather than stay in an unhappy marriage.
Makes no sense, because she asked WHY the partnership lasts longer when the man is the PROVIDER. She’s asking why they REMAIN A COUPLE when HE’S the provider and not WHY HE MAKES MORE MONEY.
@Giselleselfish OK, your reading comprehension ability seems defective.I am not bothering anymore and muting this question.Good luck.
You can’t take defeat.
You are not answering the post.
Yea. Things have changed so much though. Nowadays women can work lol. It wasn't that long ago women couldnt even work without government permission.I guess my question would be than, is why do women seem to still have that provider fantasy? Is it a relic of the culture we only recently emerged out of, where women weren't supposed to work, into what we have now, where everyone expects that women are in the work force doing their thing and living their life just as men did.Where does the desire for a man who has that provider ability come from?Is the desire for that kind of man now changing in women? Now that society has become so much more equal, has women's preferences and fantasies about being rescued by a prince and all that kind of stuff, has that changed?I feel like this is what OP is ultimately asking...
I feel absolutely no issue with being stay at home safe or a woman out earning me... if she can anyway. If not if I’m still working my 60-80 hours a week to put food in her belly, cloths on her back, and fun in her day then I’m not coming home to do dishes. I work hard make pretty good money and I’m not looking for someone that can’t perform the basic duties I need.
I feel like that comes so much from a person's own insecurity. One guy can easily be married to a rich woman and be a stay at home dad. Another guy is filled with fear and anxiety because he thinks that his wife will cheat because he has less than she has and so therefore hypergamy demands that she cheat on him or leave him for someone who has more than she does.What causes one guy to be one way, and be confident and not have fear of her cheating or leaving, and the other guy to be paranoid and lack confidence.I dont know. I dont know if its instinctual biological shit or not. I feels more to me like social pressures where we are taught that we must provide otherwise we are worthless.And so if you're not the provider, you re worthless and boom, there goes your self worth if you have been brainwashed to believe that.But I mean it's true isn't it? Women dont want a broken guy who is lazy. Hid personality doesn't matter if he has meager means and lives a simple life.So why shouldn't men believe they must provide? We know that without it, we are seen as childish little boys.Is it in our nature? Do women force us to "be mature" in their eyes, in order to have access to her love? I feel like all toxic masculinity is, is the idea that a man who can't provide is worthless. And that's true, he is worthless to women. You can see them complaining about these worthless men all the time.I dont know. That can't be good for peoples mental health.
I think you are right 👉
No the women don't like it. They want divorce and treat the man worse.