What do I say to him? Such small amounts should just be let slide IMHO
Should I tell my boyfriend his attitude towards money pisses me off?
What do I say to him? Such small amounts should just be let slide IMHO
I agree with him but to a point.
As an SO, he should be supportive of you.
However, you also need to learn to live within your budget and his harping on you about paying him back is exactly what creditors are going to do and they will not be as nice about it. He wants you to learn fiscal responsibility. If you don't, you are going to be in trouble - your relationship will devolve into fighting over money which kills many many relationships... and then once he's gone, you'll be on your own and possibly drowning in debt and unable to save yourself.
Learn this:
Men want partners.
They don't want projects or damsels in distress.
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OK, I am off my soapbox now. My own wife and I are having issues like this and it frustrates the shit out of me that she can't say "No" to spending. Fortunately, we both make decent money, but we should have a lot more saved and we don't because we spend OCEANS of cash on her hobbies and animals. I don't plan on getting divorced, but, if we broke up, she'd be fucked and I could retire as a millionaire... maybe. Right now, I am on a path of working until I die... which is likely soon.
So, it's OK to have to ask for $20 or $50 at times, but not if it is often or if the $20 or $50 is on something unnecessary or not urgent.
>> You need $50 for gas to drive to work? Sure, here's $50.
>> You need $50 to buy a special kitchen appliance that's on-sale and normally $300? Sure.
>> You need $50 to buy a blouse for a job interview? OK.
>> You need $50 to buy 2 pizzas for an all-girls get-together at your place? Annoying.
>> You need $50 to pay the bills on your streaming services? Irresponsible!
You better start keeping some money in an account she doesn't know about to keep her from spending it all. Not just for yourself but for her too.
Far as "as an SO , he should be supportive of you" -- the problem with a lot of modern women is they think teamwork is a one-way thing. She could be the worst girlfriend in history but still expects cash.
You sound like a useless gold digger. $50 and he "should just let it slide?" WTF? What does he even get from you? Sex? Comfort? Cooked meals? I'm willing to bet you aren't providing him with anything he can't get from another woman. I know it says you're young and all, but have you ever even had a job before? Have you had to work to earn $50 before? For some people, that's like five hours worth of labor?
You sound like a gold digger/sugar baby, but not even one with self awareness, in fact. You're a stranger to me, and you're telling the story here, and you still look like the asshole, here. And good on him; he's a smart man not to let a woman take advantage of him like that!
Honestly, you two should just break up. He should find someone who values his time and labor better, and you should just go on OF already, or become an e-thot. Everyone would probably be happier.
Sure, you can tell him, but if you're asking to "borrow" money, then the expectation is that you "pay it back." If you want him to "give" you money, then ASK him to GIVE you money. Then there is no expectation of payback.
What I don't understand is why YOU expect to use your boyfriend as a free money machine. Why are you asking him for money? Are you not paid enough at your job? If that is the case, then why don't you seek to get a job where you are paid more in line with your value and skills. Then there would be no reason for you to borrow anything from him.
The other thing I find annoying about YOUR attitude is that you expect a man who is not your father or husband to supply you with extra money when you feel you need or want it: As if you deserve an allowance from him for the simple fact that he makes more than you.
I think you're the one with the issue and you need to get your mind right about money.
It doesn't matter HOW much more money he makes than you. He's not your bank. Did you get with him to get free money from him? Makes you a gold digger, doesn't it? You need to stop with this I DESERVE TO GET PAID BY MY BOYFRIEND, because that's what you're saying.
Borrow - take / use something that belongs to someone else with intent of returning it.
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When you borrow or are lent money you're supposed to pay it back. When you get older banks will happily repossess your house & car if you don't pay back what is borrowed.
Stop bitching & prove you're decent. Not someone your boyfriend should dump.
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Girl pay him back! It’s the right to do. It may not be a lot of money but it’s about the principle.
Besides, you don’t want to give him any reason to hold anything over your head or act like you owe him.
If you don't want to repay it, them why do you use the word "borrow?"
Well, borrow sounds better than saying "I'm entitled to it" which is her attitude. Sort of feel sorry for the guy, if he has any sense he'd dump her.
Can’t dump her if she pays it back & dumping someone for paying back money is pretty lowww
"Can't dump her if she pays it back. . . ". Is that a new law?
@AnggieGirl Not paying borrowed money back is akin to theft sweetie. Can't sink much lower than that
If it's such a small amount, it shouldn't bother you to pay it back. Furthermore, he shouldn't have to ask you for it, you should just keep track and pay it back as agreed.
A gift is a gift and a loan is a loan. If you agree it is a loan you have a duty and obligation to pay it back as agreed with no animosity. Instead you should be grateful that he was generous enough to lend you the money.
So should you tell him? No. You should change your attitude because he did nothing wrong.
Did you ever stop to think that it pisses him off that he always has to lend you money and nag you to return it? A loan is a loan. Stop asking to borrow money if you don't intend to pay it back. Just because he is your partner, doesn't mean he is your personal bank. How would you feel if he was constantly asking you for money and then didn't want to pay it back? I bet you would be single pretty fast.
You asked to borrow. He believes you're an honest person and not trying to manipulate him into giving you something... OR he knows you have an entitlement attitude and he doesn't want to feed it so it becomes even worse.
What would happen if he gave you a bunch of money and never wanted it paid back? Most likely you would then waste more money and expect even more money from him. You'd be spending outside of your means. If that's not your plan then you wouldn't have a problem paying him back.
And why should he be your ATM? You're not married.
Why should he let it slide? If you borrow money, you pay it back. Period. If you’re going to use him as a bank, he has every right to behave like one and dun you until you pay it back. So pay it back, and manage your money so you don’t have to borrow again.
I would feel terrible if I had to ask for money and never paid it back. You’re not his wife, you are only a girlfriend. I think it’s okay to ask for the money back. It’s the least you can do since he let you borrow it I don’t see your side as a winning argument 🌸
Forgive me but if you are borrowing money from your boyfriend, you should be wanting to pay it back anyway.
It's one thing if he buys you a gift but if you are coming to him, saying "hey, I need $50 for this," then that's not really a gift.
I'd just be happy that he loans you money if you need it. A lot of us can't get men to even buy dinner!
What kind of guys are you dating? I will admit 99% of my first dates are cocoa dates but if I ask her for another date rest assured I will always pay.
@johnsmithjs I don't date too much these days. I prefer having 5 or 6 guys that I can call on when I need something, but I've dated all kinds of men.
But my comment is more about a mindset rather than being broke all the time. It is hard to get men to pay because anymore, guys want to go Dutch because the younger ladies, and maybe some ladies my age, decided it's best to share equally so we aren't seen as 'damsels' or 'incapable of making our own money'.
It just feels weird to me to not have a guy buy dinner. I don't fault them for it because of the way society is swirling the drain, but it is what it is.
John has the right idea. I’ll never do a real first date again. It’s always coffee or A drink. Ide love to give women the attention they deserve but we cannot ignore equality.
Kinda funny though. If people are treating you fairly you don’t need rights or equality.
@VanillaSalt I mean, I understand it, but I wasn't raised that way. Growing up, the man paid and that's how it was.
I'm not a crazy feminazi so I don't buy into all the nonsense about "there's no such thing as gender roles!" Of course there is. But, certainly no one is obligated to pay for dinner, but it sure feels nice when they do.
You misunderstand. I was raised the same. But today is not 20 years ago. I don’t agree with the change but that don’t mean it ain’t happening. I despise this bullshit reverse gender roles nonsense. Tell you what you take away the ability to divorce and I’ll put my trust in a as woman again. Take away the cost of divorce… child support… the threat of fake claims and I’ll trust. Make women back into the amazing people they were before they could do anything a man can do but better… then I’ll be somewhat interested.
Women today as a whole are not worth risking your future in. Marriage for a man today is like playing Russian roulette with a fucking double barrel shotgun. Literally 50% chance of divorce… actually I think it’s 51% divorce rate…
No woman is worth trusting in a first date. Hell I’ve decided I won’t get married even to the perfect woman. And this bitch up here is one of the reasons why… help me talk shit to my boyfriend for expecting me to pay him back his money…
@VanillaSalt Sounds like a lot of repressed anger towards the change. I feel you, though. I don't like it either and it's why I don't really date.
Don't really have time for a relationship anyway so I prefer simple, friends with benefits things that are long-term, mutually beneficial, etc. We both use each other and go on our way.
You're not his wife. And even wives should not abuse the privilege. If you argue it's "fair" because of sex, then congratulations: you're a prostitute.
What do you need all that money for anyway? Groceries? Marry him. And get some work from home position. Consider having a kid or two to eventually help out around the house.
Lottery? Trying to rip someone off to manipulate the government into making you rich with a ticket that isn't worth jack earnings 9 times out of 10? That's a good way to start a pattern that could land you in prison. I hope you don't live in Arkansas. According to Jessica Kent, Arkansas is one of the worst.
Please tell me you at least came here clean, and not after chugging scotch while getting the 305 Menthol ash out of your stringy hair, and cursing at your fishnets coming undone. Because I see that crap almost every day at a Florida gas station.
See, this type of situation is why I don't do the whole "splitting expenses" thing with women; it always turns into score keeping. I don't like keeping scores. I would rather just pay for everything. I don't have to think about whether or not she's going to pay me, and she doesn't have to worry about me thinking she will.
The word "borrow" implies that you are going to pay him back, and because of the structure of your relationship, you are footing at least some of the expense, so it's not like his expectation is unreasonable. You can tell him that his attitude bothers you if you want, but you'd be better off either changing what you say when you ask for money, or change your relationship dynamic.
@DavidHart Some of the other people have answered OP and gotten condescending and hostile with her. I don't think that's helping anything. I just hope that I've answered in question in a way that resonates with her.
I mean.. You're "borrowing" correct?
And what is the definition of that?
Next time when you ask for money make sure to emphasize that you're asking to have it and have no intention on paying him back. Then he can decide if he wants to give it to you or not.
But when you "borrow " something that usually entails paying them back.
I think you should. I think it's important to share your honest opinions in a relationship even if the opinions sound stupid or the opinions sound rude you never know how someone will react if you never tell them so they will keep assuming nothing is a problem even though you think it's a problem or you think something should be changed. That's actually my entire self concept, if you can make a convincing argument to me why you feel I should change something or why my attitude towards something is wrong in your opinion I will probably make a change instead of constantly trying to argue with you or I will respectfully disagree and give you the reasons why I don't agree.
How often do you ask him for money? If he's already paying the larger portion, and you're frequently asking to borrow money, then I can understand why it would upset him.
I wouldn't like the idea of dating someone that was always asking to borrow money, either. If we were married, and I knew going into it that I was supporting her, then that would be different.
If I was dating someone who, I'm assuming, has a job, and pays her own bills, then I would be a bit miffed that she was asking to borrow money because she can't afford herself, especially if I was already shouldering the greater financial cost of dating.
I don't know the specifics of your situation, though, so that may not apply. If it's once every six months, for example, then I wouldn't necessarily care.
Are you sharing a bank account and about to be married? If not then it’s his money that he earned and have every right to expect it back. Now the part of paying more on dates okay I can understand that since it sounds like he trying to be a gentleman but the word borrow literally means take and use (something that belongs to someone else) with the intention of returning it. if you want him to let that money slide then I hope he doesn’t get to the point he let you slide out of his life and find someone else who will treat him with more respect.
No. You are the definition of entitled. He owes you nothing and is obviously attempting to teach you some amount of financial responsibility. Many guys would be more than happy to encourage your behavior so that they could use it to control you. I can only hope for your sake that, he is more successful in doing so than your parents were.
Is he your boyfriend or your piggybank? If you ask for money, you should expect to have to pay it back. You don't have to pay back when he deliberately say you don't have to, or if he offers you money himself. Also, 20-50 isn't low amounts of money to casually give, <5 bucks is.
Update: no matter what he makes, you pay back when you ask for money. Once again, He's not your piggybank
His attitude is correct. He doesn't want some leech using his money like that. You also used the word BORROW. Borrowing something literally means that you use something from someone and will return that later to that person.
Yeah no. You're borrowing that implies paying him back. You're just being a shitty girlfriend who wnats to mooch off her man
NAILED IT! She calls it "borrowing", but in reality, she wants free money from him. Gotta love how she tries to gaslight the situation in making him seem bad, but in reality, she is the one who is trying to exploit him
I would say that is your mistake if you boring you are expected to pay back if you do not want to pay back so you should say “would you mind giving me 50$ please?” Then you do not need to pay back duh
Maybe you shouldn't call it "borrowing". Why do you have to mooch off of him? It sounds like you are spending money you don't have, and expecting him to make up the difference. Where's your self-respect? You are just dating, you aren't married or living together.
He is a good man.
A discipline man with principle in life.
He is teaching u to be true to your own words..
"Lend me some money."
.. That also mean ".. i am going to pay it back, i promise".
By not paying back, u are not being true your own words.
Meaning u are not a dependable person OR a liar..
u don't what such attitude to be followed by your children (to be) and obviously he don't want it as well.
He works hard for his money i imagine and he is already the one spending more in the relationship. It seems fair to return the borrowed money since he is already spending a lit on you. If it really bothers you, instead of asking to borrow money sometimes just ask for cash. Literally say you want some cash and you don't want to have to pay him back. He'll probably just say fine and hive you some cash, as long as it isn't to often.
If you ask to borrow money, the expectation is that you pay it back as that is what the word means. Just because your boyfriend makes more money than you doesn't mean that losing $50 near and there means nothing to him. Its still his money which he earns and you have no entitlement to it.
Sounds like you should be asking for the money straight up to keep. Personally, I don't think you should be doing this unless you are in a super tricky financial situation, but if you must, tell him straight up if he can give you money. If he says no, fair enough it's his.
You are factoring in your relationship when it comes to borrowing the money instead of treating it like a regular business transaction. It's not a path you want to go down unless you want to actually put a dollar value on the services and time you bring to the relationship. I would hope it's no where near the 20 or 40 dollar range.
Right if he values it at all
an easy fix is to stop borrowing. if you want a hand out from him, dont ask to borrow but instead ask him to give/gift it.
this is another reason for "say what you mean, mean what you say"
The guys aren't gonna go easy on you lol , you should have appointed this towards only girls answer , but he is your boyfriend. Not your husband or fiance not even your baby daddy. How about you try paying for dates here and there too , and pay him back when he asks because all he is , is a boyfriend now if he was something more that would be another story. Also dont “borrow” his money, thats not okay , better yet you should wanna get your own things and stuff because later on he can just throw it in your face that you owe him a huge sum of money for all the times he let you borrow money.
I don't know, I feel like if someone lets you borrow money and they want you to pay it back, you should respect that. At least that's what my parents make me do. Whenever I want something that isn't a necessity or something that is like art supplies or something, I always have to pay for it. I don't know how it is with boyfriends though.
It’s his money, and you asked to borrow it, borrowing means you will return it. If you are looking for him to just give you money than maybe you should say that? Also, if he asked to borrow like $10 would you expect him to pay jt back?
He is cheap. I really can't stand such people because I am the complete opposite. I really enjoy giving money to others and I really feel joy when I spend money on others even though I don't make much.
I don't get people who don't and I don't really want them around.
So... you ask someone if they can LEND you money that you BORROWED and then get mad that you have to pay it back? Another one who sees a boyfriend as a free ATM machine smdh...
@SlavBoi Don't bother mate, I have already tried.
This is weird. Why do you keep borrowing money from him if you’re annoyed that he’ll ask you to pay him back? You’re borrowing it, not taking it. Either ask if you can just have the money or just ask someone else for the money.
I've got the same problem with the folks at American Express... for some odd reason, they want their money back at the end of every month.
Honesty @admles already said all that needed to be said.
I don't know how much he makes so my answer comes from 2 different povs...
If he is making $500 more than you. I would say that a $20 or $50 is a small amount.
If he is making a $150 dollars more than you.. its not that small.
What is small to some is a lot to someone else.
$500? She said 5x so I expect she's making minimum wage and he's in six figures. But if I were him it would piss me off. If we were living together I would probably cover all the household expenses and entertainment. If she were barely making end meet and we were dating for a while, I might start helping her out.
I'm this way if I had a good girlfriend, I wouldn't mind giving her small amounts of money and no I wouldn't expect her to pay me back, I think a girl should come first but now if we had a baby together, of course, our baby would come first then she would come next but I would always come last cause that's the type guy I am
Well you should pay it back, I mean you borrowed it, it's only fair besides you don't want him to think of you as a scammer or worse his girl for hire so I would pay it back send the message that you ain't no lady of the night he can get it for free
Be pissed off.
You are "borrowing" money with the intention of possibly not having to pay it back i. e. you are looking for free money. Instead of trying to get handouts under the guise of borrowing, ask for the handout directly; that way he can decide whether or not he wants to give you the money for good.
Your boyfriend isn't your wallet, and his money isn't yours. You're acting like a spoiled kid who wants him to give you everything anytime you ask.
That's what pisses you off, that he doesn't just empty his account anytime you ask.
I'm sorry, but I am on his side. When I borrow someone something I expect it back. Your "let it slide" will start off at $20, then slowly creep up to bigger and bigger amounts. Also you should watch your budget if you can't afford to pay off your debt. Adjust your lifestyle to fit your budget.
He is right about taking it back, because you are not his wife. He is a sensible person. He knows that if he gives too much, he can never take / claim it back at time of breakup.
If you "borrow", you must return. Period.
When you say borrow that means you pay it back at some point.
If it's a loan, you should pay it back no matter the amount. His attitude seems very reasonable.
Go make that money so you don't have to borrow it then wtfBesides, if something so tiny as 20-50$ is nothing for you. Why don't you just give it back if it's such a no big of a deal? You can see a splinter in his eyes but not a log in yours. Wake the fuck up
Personally I'd totally just give a friend or a girlfriend $20.
But that's exactly what it is "a gift" they didn't ask for it they didn't expect it. Maybe they asked to borrow money fully expecting to pay it back but I chose to give it as a gift.
Don't ask to borrow anything if you don't plan on giving it back. If he wants to give you something that's his choice. If you want free shit then maybe you should ask for free shit and stop asking for loans.
What do you do with your free time/what else, or whom else, do you want (to have or to finance, probably for your 'additional sexual needs')?
If he doesn't keep you on a tight string chances are you'd keep saving for a stripper/a male prostitute. Is it not the case? Do you expect him to finance your infidelity, or to help you get more lovers? Female greed for men knows no limits - and women generally defend that as their god given right, disgusting as it is to be that way.
If he lets it slide once, twice and thrice, it will become a habit. A bad habit. One of those that makes a man grab his stuff and look elsewhere for a relationship. He's doing well in making you pay back. He's saving your couple by doing it.
Um, the key word here is BORROW.
You ask someone to borrow something because you're going to return it, so his attitude is 100% spot on.
You sound like a gold digger, tbh.
I can't even really be pissed at him because I'm the same way.
Also your at fault here because you want to "barrow" money well barrowing money meaning paying it back and you ain't wanting to pay it back.
Sounds like you're slowly but surely becoming a fucking gold digger. Pay for your shit and quit treating him like a ATM. He needs and deserves someone who isn't going to treat him like that.
Borrowing means you pay it back. If you want him to give you money then say can you give me money. He’s not in the wrong here tho it’s very valid to expect to be paid back
It's his money. He can manage it how he wants. You act like you want him to just willingly give away money to you because you're dating. You need to get a grip on things and realize you aren't entitled to his cash.
To be honest i think you should have a polite talk with him about it i think small amounts isn't a big deal especially since you guys are dating however if you are asking him all the time then it may be annoying but just have a talk with him and explain how you feel but dont make it sound like you are greedy
Never let a woman determine how much your hard work is worth. Way simpler to go by an objective measure like what you can buy with it at the store. So when she says her 'love' for you is worth the same as all the money in your bank account, you don't have to agree. Otherwise you'll be up the creek, my friend. Not just with money but in every area of your life that she decides to make herself the Judge of.
If he wants to have that attitude then either leave him or you start paying for everything that is just for you. Don't let him pay anything and if he asks why then tell him you don't want him owing him anything. See if that doesn't open his eyes.
Yeah, no, you just want his money. You asked to borrow money, not for a gift. You are a minor case of a gold digger.
If you want more money, then unleash your inner gold digger spirit and go twerk half naked for gangster rappers music videos.
borrowing here and there is exactly what it means, borrowing. Which means pay it back.. If it pisses you off so much why don't make more money so you don't have to ask.
Just start asking for him to "give" you the small amounts then, if that's what you're wanting. If you ask to "borrow" it, most people would expect it to be paid back. Just simple miscommunication.
Look, I give the mother of my kid's money, and there are days I let her keep it, and there are days she pays me back. She does the same too. It's just only fair.
Lmao girl! If you borrow money, you pay it back! There’s no immunity
"Borrowing" suggests it will be paid back. Honour your debts, no matter how small.
Where are all my so called traditional men now? You all hate financially independent modern women so much but now you complain and hate the attitude of the asker? You all want traditional women but now you hate when women expect her man to pay aka provide her aka be traditional? If you dont want to provide, dont expect traditional women idiot.
Since you said you borrow, then you should pay back of course. Next time make it clear that you just want him pay for your stuff. If you are not traditional then you are not entitled to his money by the way
I prefer modern women and always will. In terms of equality in the house, we can take turns or help each other out with cooking and chores. During dates, you should be able to pay your own bill. Don't expect your partner to pay it for you. Women have their equal pay and right to earn as much money as men.
The reason men like traditional women is more in the sense of embracing their femininity.
You also prove my point. So these so called traditional men want to have their cake and eat it too. A traditional woman is usually a housewife. How tf should she pay her own stuff, when she ain't financially independent? So what i get is that these idiots want a woman do all household chores like a traditional woman but also work outside to earn money. So these people want both. By the way i usually prefere to pay my own dates but i am done getting so much hate for being a modern woman
I'm not proving your point at all. Expecting my partner to give to the relationship as much as me is the right thing to believe.
Also did you even read what I said? I said I would double team chores in the house with my partner. We would take turns or help each other out. The only time I would expect to pay for most or all of the things is if she did all the house chores and cooking in the house, which most likely I would not want because I'm not rich enough to provide for both of us.
The only way I want the girl to be traditional is in femininity. Act like a girl. Men are attracted to feminine traits as much as girls are attracted to masculine traits.
In what way do I want my cake and to eat it too?
A relationship should be considered a team. Not a free ride/someone carrying you the whole time.
I am NOT talking about you. I mean hypocritical men. I said so called traditional men. If you do half of household chores aka cook/clean, you ain't even traditional. I dont why you are personally attacked. What you expect from a relationship is fair and realistic. I have no problem with your dating preferences
"A relationship should be considered a team. Not a free ride/someone carrying you the whole time." I agree. I think you dont get my point
Tf read wtf i wrote.
You said "You also prove my point." Therefore you are talking about me. I responded explaining how you didn't prove a thing. I'm done debating with someone that doesn't even understand what she's saying herself.
Ok fuck off then
What if they stay at the same place and so she do all the household chores and so on? It is the same as shit as being married just without marriage contract.
For some people staying at the same place and having kids is already marriage. I personally would feel bad when a guy pays for me. I also dont agree with the asker anyway
Look you fucktard. You dont a shit about them idiot. I am done with repeating myself. Go read my other posts.
What if they stay at the same place and so she do all the household chores and so on? It is the same as shit as being married just without marriage contract. - here for you
Since you said you borrow, then you should pay back of course. Next time make it clear that you just want him pay for your stuff. If you are not traditional then you are not entitled to his money by the way- here again copy and paste. Since you are too retarded to read my posts. If you spam me, will delete you.
For other people who want to reply, just fucking read my post, before writing your rant.
Dont say a shit about me without knowing me fucktard. Look you fag. I am anon anyway. I dont need to hide myself. My nickname ain't my identity fucktard. I am making every opinion of me "anon" since there are mental ill people like you who search my nickname and give me dislike for every opinion, piece of shit. It is actually more funny how retarded you are and so triggered by me to the point that write such a shit about me. Just stfu let me alone bastard, i am done with fucktards like you who imply shit. So again i make every opinion of me anon for my own security and i am just done with harrassment, you cunt.
Is it so difficult for people like you to just stfu and let people have their own opnion without spamming them?
Ok sorry i was kinda rude. I see no point in discussing with you about asker's questions since we agree eachother and i misunderstand you a little. Whatever i really dont want to continue the conversation
But i am not sorry for insulting you due your last inappropriate post about me. Maybe i should not insult you so much but your last post was really disrespectful and so i was disrespectful back. I usually dont use the anon option but since someone systematically dislike me and harrass me. I try to make every opinion of mine anon.
Because he worked hard for his money. He doesn't owe you anything, just pay him back or just don't ask at all. You got some nerve lmao
Your boyfriend seems like a very fair guy. He seems to be much more mature than you and he ain't a simp. No gold diggers up in his house.
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