The choice is yours ofc and i'm glad that you aren't ashamed, cause in my opinion a real man should be able provide and take good care of his wife and family and bring the food on the table... etc
In a real marriage there is no such thing called divorce because the couple can never cheat and simply cannot live without each other which makes the word divorce unreal...
Your not bursting my bubble but i ain't living in a dream cause that's how i am and these are my beliefs, if you don't like them and do not accept them than it's your problem and when you find someone who is different than you, it doesn't mean that they are fake, they are just different!
It doesn't take away her choice but you can't take his choice away too, which means that both of you should agree on it...
For example any girl who wants a future with me, she will know from day 1 that i'll only marry a girl who adores becoming a housewife after marriage...
@TonyMetal___86 never said otherwise. Why its important to be upfront on the life you plan, though of course plans do change from the start of relationships sometimes through no ones fault.
No! If she has never worked she will not get any social security or Medicare. If she gets old and/or sick she is screwed. But I think she can collect 1/2 the husband's social security if that happens.
It's a free market, so sometimes it makes more sense if you have a lot of children, than pay for all that daycare. Besides, a mom is a better caregiver to her children than a daycare.
I don't think a man should ask her to, that seems controlling. If she wants to, and they can afford a single income living then he should be supportive of what she wants to do.
If this was discussed between the two partners then sure. If it was all the husbands idea then uhh no. Unless that was something she was into of course but that goes to my first point.
Isn't that part of the relationship regardless? Most women I've dated try to hurt you if they feel hurt or upset by your choices. Even just arguing and saying something reasonable ("is being right more important to you than building a peaceful relationship?"), is a crime in the eyes of a woman.
Modern men have to be protectors and providers just like they were 70 years ago, but also they have to be modern and share chores equally and never be controlling even in the slightest, but also never say anything about how controlling their girlfriend/wife is.
How equal of a relationship do you want? Do you split dates? Do you buy him gifts on Valentine's day? Do you support your boyfriend through his hard times or do you just expect him to be there for you? Do you try to pay attention to your boyfriends needs?
Most women have a lot of expectations of men, but they themselves refuse to be subjected to such expectations. Therefore, in my view, the vast majority of women decidedly don't want an equal relationship, they want a relationship which advantages them.
I'm not saying you should become a housewife as that's really something that should be discussed long before marriage, not all women should be or can be housewives, so it's an unreasonable expectation. I'm just pointing out that women have unreasonable expectations too, because to me it seems like a bit of hypocrisy to get upset by this.
I get where you’re coming from but I personally don’t put such expectations on a man. Yes I’d buy him gifts for Valentine’s Day, yes I’d plan and take him out on dates, yes I’d help him to the best of my abilities if he needs it. If I love him then his happiness makes me happy, so I would do everything I can to make sure he’s good. Also I do appreciate the fact that a guy can be honest and reasonable during an argument because I know I myself can get pretty unreasonable and we wouldn’t reach common ground if he was like me.
Now I’m only speaking for myself, so a disclaimer. This is not me saying that all women are like this. I’m just saying this is how I am.
@devilman666 If the majority of the women you are dating are manipulating you like that, then I would suggest not dating those type of women. Also 70 years ago women weren't even allowed to open their own checking accounts... and a man could graduate from high school and get a living wage job, buy a house be able to financially support a family by the time he was 25 years old. It doesn't work like that now. Most couples need to both work in order make ends meet, and its proven that women still do the majority of the house work.
@Subarugirl I haven't dated in the past 3 years, so I'm already following your suggestion. Even just looking around at women I meet everyday, most of them have these crazy expectations for men. Most women seem to expect a traditional gentleman who will protect and provide for you, who is ambitious, strong, hardworking, attractive, and successful (especially financially), but then because of modern femism you also want him to split everything else (including the money, just not the work) with you 50/50. Show me the women who want to support a man fincially, be his emotional support, AND do 50% of the chores... GOOD LUCK!
Your point about 70 years ago seems irrelevant. Yes, things have changed, but what I was saying was that some expectations on men haven't changed since then. We are still expected to protect you physically from harm and support you financially. In my view it doesn't matter which gender does more of the chores, I am specifially talking about expectations, men seem expected to do 50% of the chores, and society seems to move further in that direction (nothing wrong with this, just pointing it out), but then there is no change on the traditional expectations. In my view, this will eventually stretch men too thin, and they will abandon relationships entirely.
@blackcupcake you seem like a keeper, far too many selfish people in our society. I like being trusting and giving in relationships but it feels like this always gets taken advantage of, so I'd love to be in a relationship with someone like you who is willing to reciprocate these things. I've kind of always gone for more submissive women though, so maybe thats the problem? Haha
@devilman666 Then you just must have back luck with women. My husband and I are a team. We have each others back and we pick up the slack when the other is worn out... I'm just saying if you go out looking for prejudice, that is what you are going to find.
@Subarugirl also, why don't you respond to my response to the question? Do you think a husband should provide for and protect his family if his wife asks him to?
@devilman666 I think that both husband and wife should want to protect and provide for their family. If one or both have no desire to do that, that is a problem.
lol, I’m not submissive by any means and actually, I hate being told what to do. BUT. I’d never let stuff like that get in the way of being able to communicate and work with someone on a relationship. So even tho I am stubborn, I hate being told what to do and I can be too proud to apologise, I would never let those things get in the way.
@Subarugirl a team in what way? You could define a traditional marriage with a housewife to be a team (in fact, 70 years ago they did think a married couple was a team, just a team with different roles, just like how a goalie and a striker are on the same soccer team despite having totally different roles). Regardless, I'm glad you guys have a good relationship where you have each others back. I'm glad you support him emotionally and financially from time to time, many womem refuse to do such things.
What do you mean by "looking for prejudice"? Like I'm looking for people prejudiced against me? I'd personally define this as more like "looking for hypocrisy". I'm just tired of having all these expectations on me and then the moment I try to expect anything of a woman it's sexist and misogynistic and controlling and evil. When the man makes more money the bills and everything is split 50/50, with a joint bank account, when woman makes more, they almost always have split bank accounts and keep finances separate... I wonder why *sarcasm*?
@devilman666 lol that’s not true. I’m not on my husbands bank about and he makes more than me, and back when I did make more than he did, he has been on my bank about ever since we got married. I was making significantly more than he did for the first 2 and a half years of our marriage. What I mean by team is that we are both working together towards a common goal. That doesn’t mean that everything is split 50/50, that means we support each other embracing each others strengths and weaknesses. That’s the way a marriage should work.
@yofuknutz what part of WE don't you get.. if he goes broke that means that WE go broke. Regardless, in that case I would do everything that I needed to support my family, the same way I did when I first got married and supported out family financially while he was in school.
Lol you should watch the Amy Wong stand up Baby Cobra about being a stay at home wife. She jokes about how feminism was the worst thing to happen to women like she'd prefer to just take a shit in her home instead of having to do it at work.
Well she have have to adore it because a man can't be happy if he forces his wofe to do something that she doesn't likes to do, but if that what she wishes and he gave her this option than she will be the happiest girl 😊
Personally i appreciate and admire every devoted housewife 😌
This is much more complicated then you are making it out to be. I think the women should follow the man, but not like a puppet under a dictatorship. I the women is strongly agaisnt it she should not
If a man has enough money to afford a lush/rich lifestyle for not only them but their children, then the woman would definitely feel SECURED enough to become a housewife.
well every woman has the choice to do that or not. if you married a guy and you weren't aware that he wants that or you married him despite not being ok with that, your marriage was a bad decision.
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Only if she wants to. If she like the idea and is comfortable with it and just wants to do it in general, then she should.
I would rather have the option to choose and not be told I have to. I also do not want to rely on someone
Is it bad if you rely on your husband? If so, than why getting married in the 1st place...
Do you know what a real marriage is?
@TonyMetal___86 I think that she means that she doesn’t want to be financially dependent on her spouse.
@Subarugirl exactly.
@Subarugirl i know what she meant but is she ashamed if she rely financially on her husband? What's wrong with that?
@jennbitx are you affraid to rely financially on your future husband or is there another reason?
@TonyMetal___86 not ashamed at all. I just want a choice. Also is a divorce does happen. I need options
The choice is yours ofc and i'm glad that you aren't ashamed, cause in my opinion a real man should be able provide and take good care of his wife and family and bring the food on the table... etc
In a real marriage there is no such thing called divorce because the couple can never cheat and simply cannot live without each other which makes the word divorce unreal...
@TonyMetal___86 I hate to burst your bubble but that’s not how real life works. No ones marriage is perfect
Your not bursting my bubble but i ain't living in a dream cause that's how i am and these are my beliefs, if you don't like them and do not accept them than it's your problem and when you find someone who is different than you, it doesn't mean that they are fake, they are just different!
@TonyMetal___86 * you’re
Not if she doesn't want to.
Him asking doesn't take away her choice.
It doesn't take away her choice but you can't take his choice away too, which means that both of you should agree on it...
For example any girl who wants a future with me, she will know from day 1 that i'll only marry a girl who adores becoming a housewife after marriage...
@TonyMetal___86 never said otherwise. Why its important to be upfront on the life you plan, though of course plans do change from the start of relationships sometimes through no ones fault.
No. It’s foolish for her to give up her career. It leaves her with few resources if the marriage fails, as it likely will.
No! If she has never worked she will not get any social security or Medicare. If she gets old and/or sick she is screwed. But I think she can collect 1/2 the husband's social security if that happens.
It's a free market, so sometimes it makes more sense if you have a lot of children, than pay for all that daycare. Besides, a mom is a better caregiver to her children than a daycare.
There are two people in a relationship. It’s up to them both to figure out how they want to live.
I don't think a man should ask her to, that seems controlling. If she wants to, and they can afford a single income living then he should be supportive of what she wants to do.
If this was discussed between the two partners then sure. If it was all the husbands idea then uhh no. Unless that was something she was into of course but that goes to my first point.
Only if he’ll say yes to EVERYTHING I ask of him… I’m down for an equal relationship. But if not then hell no.
Isn't that part of the relationship regardless? Most women I've dated try to hurt you if they feel hurt or upset by your choices. Even just arguing and saying something reasonable ("is being right more important to you than building a peaceful relationship?"), is a crime in the eyes of a woman.
Modern men have to be protectors and providers just like they were 70 years ago, but also they have to be modern and share chores equally and never be controlling even in the slightest, but also never say anything about how controlling their girlfriend/wife is.
How equal of a relationship do you want? Do you split dates? Do you buy him gifts on Valentine's day? Do you support your boyfriend through his hard times or do you just expect him to be there for you? Do you try to pay attention to your boyfriends needs?
Most women have a lot of expectations of men, but they themselves refuse to be subjected to such expectations. Therefore, in my view, the vast majority of women decidedly don't want an equal relationship, they want a relationship which advantages them.
I'm not saying you should become a housewife as that's really something that should be discussed long before marriage, not all women should be or can be housewives, so it's an unreasonable expectation. I'm just pointing out that women have unreasonable expectations too, because to me it seems like a bit of hypocrisy to get upset by this.
I get where you’re coming from but I personally don’t put such expectations on a man. Yes I’d buy him gifts for Valentine’s Day, yes I’d plan and take him out on dates, yes I’d help him to the best of my abilities if he needs it. If I love him then his happiness makes me happy, so I would do everything I can to make sure he’s good.
Also I do appreciate the fact that a guy can be honest and reasonable during an argument because I know I myself can get pretty unreasonable and we wouldn’t reach common ground if he was like me.
Now I’m only speaking for myself, so a disclaimer. This is not me saying that all women are like this. I’m just saying this is how I am.
@devilman666 If the majority of the women you are dating are manipulating you like that, then I would suggest not dating those type of women. Also 70 years ago women weren't even allowed to open their own checking accounts... and a man could graduate from high school and get a living wage job, buy a house be able to financially support a family by the time he was 25 years old. It doesn't work like that now. Most couples need to both work in order make ends meet, and its proven that women still do the majority of the house work.
@Subarugirl I haven't dated in the past 3 years, so I'm already following your suggestion. Even just looking around at women I meet everyday, most of them have these crazy expectations for men. Most women seem to expect a traditional gentleman who will protect and provide for you, who is ambitious, strong, hardworking, attractive, and successful (especially financially), but then because of modern femism you also want him to split everything else (including the money, just not the work) with you 50/50. Show me the women who want to support a man fincially, be his emotional support, AND do 50% of the chores... GOOD LUCK!
Your point about 70 years ago seems irrelevant. Yes, things have changed, but what I was saying was that some expectations on men haven't changed since then. We are still expected to protect you physically from harm and support you financially. In my view it doesn't matter which gender does more of the chores, I am specifially talking about expectations, men seem expected to do 50% of the chores, and society seems to move further in that direction (nothing wrong with this, just pointing it out), but then there is no change on the traditional expectations. In my view, this will eventually stretch men too thin, and they will abandon relationships entirely.
@blackcupcake you seem like a keeper, far too many selfish people in our society. I like being trusting and giving in relationships but it feels like this always gets taken advantage of, so I'd love to be in a relationship with someone like you who is willing to reciprocate these things. I've kind of always gone for more submissive women though, so maybe thats the problem? Haha
@devilman666 Then you just must have back luck with women. My husband and I are a team. We have each others back and we pick up the slack when the other is worn out... I'm just saying if you go out looking for prejudice, that is what you are going to find.
@Subarugirl also, why don't you respond to my response to the question? Do you think a husband should provide for and protect his family if his wife asks him to?
@devilman666 I think that both husband and wife should want to protect and provide for their family. If one or both have no desire to do that, that is a problem.
@devilman666 oh I am extremely submissive lol
lol, I’m not submissive by any means and actually, I hate being told what to do. BUT. I’d never let stuff like that get in the way of being able to communicate and work with someone on a relationship. So even tho I am stubborn, I hate being told what to do and I can be too proud to apologise, I would never let those things get in the way.
@Subarugirl a team in what way? You could define a traditional marriage with a housewife to be a team (in fact, 70 years ago they did think a married couple was a team, just a team with different roles, just like how a goalie and a striker are on the same soccer team despite having totally different roles). Regardless, I'm glad you guys have a good relationship where you have each others back. I'm glad you support him emotionally and financially from time to time, many womem refuse to do such things.
What do you mean by "looking for prejudice"? Like I'm looking for people prejudiced against me? I'd personally define this as more like "looking for hypocrisy". I'm just tired of having all these expectations on me and then the moment I try to expect anything of a woman it's sexist and misogynistic and controlling and evil. When the man makes more money the bills and everything is split 50/50, with a joint bank account, when woman makes more, they almost always have split bank accounts and keep finances separate... I wonder why *sarcasm*?
@devilman666 lol that’s not true. I’m not on my husbands bank about and he makes more than me, and back when I did make more than he did, he has been on my bank about ever since we got married. I was making significantly more than he did for the first 2 and a half years of our marriage. What I mean by team is that we are both working together towards a common goal. That doesn’t mean that everything is split 50/50, that means we support each other embracing each others strengths and weaknesses. That’s the way a marriage should work.
^^^^ she is lying wait until the husband goes broke and let's see what happens.
@yofuknutz what part of WE don't you get.. if he goes broke that means that WE go broke. Regardless, in that case I would do everything that I needed to support my family, the same way I did when I first got married and supported out family financially while he was in school.
Hmmmm, U talk a GOOD game, I likes that.
Lol you should watch the Amy Wong stand up Baby Cobra about being a stay at home wife. She jokes about how feminism was the worst thing to happen to women like she'd prefer to just take a shit in her home instead of having to do it at work.
Only if she independently wants that and the husband can sufficiently provide.
Well she have have to adore it because a man can't be happy if he forces his wofe to do something that she doesn't likes to do, but if that what she wishes and he gave her this option than she will be the happiest girl 😊
Personally i appreciate and admire every devoted housewife 😌
That should be a mutual agreement, and it also makes little to no sense if kids aren't involved.
This is much more complicated then you are making it out to be. I think the women should follow the man, but not like a puppet under a dictatorship. I the women is strongly agaisnt it she should not
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No absolutely not, it should be purely the woman's prerogative what she wishes or chooses to do.
If a man has enough money to afford a lush/rich lifestyle for not only them but their children, then the woman would definitely feel SECURED enough to become a housewife.
She should do what she wants to do, hopefully with her husband's buy-in and support. But she doesn't need his permission.
If your husband asks such things, it's very weird to marry such a person. Life lies beyond marriage by all means.
well every woman has the choice to do that or not. if you married a guy and you weren't aware that he wants that or you married him despite not being ok with that, your marriage was a bad decision.
No. She should if she wants to and they are financially stable enough to