What traditional gender rule do you support?

[Anonymous]

If you pick the half of each option let me know which one by mentioning the numbers

1) Men should provide, 2) women should have children

3) Real men should sleep around, 4) real women should be abstinent

5) Men pay for dates, 6) women should clean the house

A and B

A and C

B and C

Neither. Both should be equally independant and responsible

[DaveJord]

Wow, what a screwed-up question honestly... like relationships in a traditional sense all boils down to these very limited choices.

To me for people that "CHOOSE" to get married and have kids... then traditionally men are supposed to contribute to the family in equally but completely different ways to raise the children and manage the household. There are shared responsibilities, which each couple has to work out on their own and then their specific things that only a mother or father can do. For example a woman cannot be a positive male influence in any child's life, without a man. And just any man is not going to be that child's father.

So, to me what I would love to see come back, is this tradition concept of the family unit. Not single mothers who don't think they need or want a man, because they can have their own children and still provide all the things that a man and woman together can provide on their own.

I have dated too many single mothers with children to subscript to this believe, that single mother can do all the things and provide all the things on their own. Honestly, for these women it works out for them, but their children are seriously lacking in a positive male role model. They will have you believe that it is better off that that father is not around. Sure maybe for the woman, but its definitely not for the children. And not try to blame the man, as if it was his fault allow... she has a greater responsibility to do what's best for her kids. Seldom cutting the man completely out of her children's lives is not the the best choice.

If you are a woman or man, and you want to have a family then it there needs to be some degree of balance within the family between managing professional responsibilities and professional responsibilities. It's not about woman being submissive to men, it's about a married couple that are doing the best thing together as a team for their betterment of their children. It definitely does not boil down to who cooks or cleans or goes to work every day and earns the most money. It's about being present in your children's lives in a traditional sense that provides some type of stability in their day to day lives.

[HawkPerception]

My answer is somewhat complicated. I believe in 50/50 for the most part, especially nowadays where feminism was pushed.

Firstly, I'll address who pays the bill on a date. It's no longer the days where women make only a fraction of what men make. We have equal pay, so why should men foot the bill at a date? Is a woman's time more valuable than a man's? Does she not want to be in the date and needs to be paid to be there? And I also believe that paying separately is the best dynamic because no one feels like they owe one another, so if the date goes away, both the guy and the girl can go their separate ways. And I genuinely hate when people say "The person who asks should pay." First off, 95% of the time, it's the guy that asks the girl out, so saying that basically means you're saying the guy should pay. Secondly, it goes back to the notion of someone feeling like they owe the other something. When most of society says that men should pay the bill, it builds up a systemic expectation for all men to pay the bill or they won't get a girl. It's okay if both parties go into the date expecting a traditional dynamic (man pays bill and provides financially and the girl does housework and raises handles children). However, nowadays that dynamic is a privilege because most people require dual income to sustain a family. I personally have no issue with a traditional dynamic as long as I'm making enough where it isn't an issue.

Secondly, I'll address the sleeping around concept. As far as I know, most people do not desire their partner sleeping around, man or woman. I personally believe in equality. If a girl doesn't sleep around, then the man shouldn't either. The more of a sexual experience gap there is, the more toxic a relationship generally becomes. If a girl slept with 50 guys and a guy slept with only a few girls, feelings of superiority and inferiority or feelings of not living as much/unfairness will eventually arise, which creates an unstable relationship. It could be vice-versa as well. However, this society is wired in such a way where it's bad if a girl sleeps around and it's cool if a guy sleeps around. It's the same as a guy paying the bill nowadays. It doesn't make sense to me that people still hold these outdated views.

[Anonymous]

I support the first one, as in if I see it I don't have an issue with it. if that's how the people within the relationship want to have their relationship that's their business. The others seem redundant, as I have no say in what or how others run their relationship, I wouldn't support the others, yet people can do what they want in their own relationships. Those relationships exist, if they people stay is because they are okay with it.

I find only the first one worth supporting if that's how the couple feels happy.

[imawfulatusernames]

No one should be forced into any role they don’t want. I do disagree with the idea that women who have children should be working and doing any kind of physical work though. It should of course be up to the individual but unless it’s due to need I’ve not heard a reason that isn’t actually anti feminist

[Summeroflove]

Everyone is different. NOW…. If a man sleeps around he can’t expect to marry a virgin. Sorry nobody waiting until marriage wants that.

NOW… As far as gender roles go. Whatever works best for the couple and what both people are looking for. But it should be 50/50 at the end of the day. No one sided relationship is happy.

A woman has to do more then have children to have a happy relationship. Now some people just wanna have 50/50. Both people need to put the SAME effort in.

In a traditional marriage both people work equally as hard in different roles. It’s not one sided…. At least not in a true traditional relationship.

If a woman wants a gentleman she needs to be a lady

[monorprise]

Cultures and people who oppose traditional gender roles don't seem to be working at all. The working and 'educated' woman isn't having and raising enough children to sustain any culture that support such views.

So even thou people think this brand new system of "Values" are working the demographics numbers show it is clearly quite stegosaurus. Perhaps because it is rather difficult for a woman to hold a full time job and support a large family.

[Summeroflove]

@monorprise well there is certainly women who can. But no relationship should be one sided. There is women who work full time and are also expected to do most the cooking and house work.

But in traditional gender roles. Both work as hard in different roles. It’s not what some girls fantasize about is that a man spoils them but also she never lifts a finger if she even has to get herself a glass of water…. Like nobody wants that

[monorprise]

@Summeroflove

We can talk about equal division of labor, or we can talk about optimum and necessary division of labor, they are separate subjects.

Like it or not for a civilization to work, the woman has to be the one spending much of her time making babies, ideally given her physical abilities and limitations she is also the one spending most of the time raising her babies.

Likewise a man physically is better suited to the work of the world, and poorly suited to this vital task. Men are incapable of making babies, and more poorly suited physically and frankly mentally to the caring tasks of raising them.

Putting men in that role just means your going to get less out for what you put in. Likewise forcing women to work full time, with their physical limitations just means your going to end up with less time and energy for women doing what civilization and her family needs her to do to go on.

We have already passed the point where women simply are not putting enough of their time into babes for our civilization to go on. That point really was crossed 60+ years ago when they couldn't raise them anymore, before women even stopped having enough time to even make enough babes.

So right now western civilization is dying and forced to rely upon an ever more culturally replacing level of forign immigration, from a world that is likewise dying to the extent it copies the same 'modern' values.

[Summeroflove]

@monorprise pretty sure men aren’t incapable of making babies as it takes two. If you want a one sided relationship then that’s on you. But most people aren’t happy.

In a real traditional marriage…. Both people work EQUALLY as hard in different roles

[Summeroflove]

Also dads are very important in their child’s development. If a woman is working equally as hard raising the kids and taking care of the house. That isn’t a bad thing.

But look man. You do you. But don’t try to control someone else’s life. The same as you wouldn’t want someone doing it to you.

Don’t ask a question if you don’t want the answer. If you want to get the answers you wanna hear. Then you already told yourself and that should be good enough

[Summeroflove]

Well you didn’t ask the question sorty. But my answer remains the same

[OlderAndWiser]

Men and women are different! We have different needs and desires and it is not sexier to acknowledge those differences. I follow traditional gender roles with the exception of those that treat women in an arrogant or condescending way.

[OlderAndWiser]

Sexist, not sexier.

[AviatorTom]

Most women look good in a dress, men don't look good in a dress.

[devilish-cutie]

men can look good in a dress as well, look at roman era

[DJB72]

None of your options.

A Man should provide for his family.
Since a man is physically incapable of getting pregnant, ONLY a woman can bear children.

Real Men don't sleep around, only weak, insecure and narcissistic men do that.

Almost every STI would be eradicated in a generation if abstinence was practiced by men and women. There are a few that can be transmitted in other ways that would take longer.

The person who invites should pay.

If the wife is a stay at home spouse and the husband works 50 hours then she should do the majority in the home. If both have employment then chores shared in proportion to the hours worked outside the home.

[Anonymous]

Unless women start having and raising children again at a sustainable rate it hardly matters what roles you support as there will eventually be no more men or women to assume them.

Seeing as the only cultures that are still sustaining themselfs follow gender role which lend themselfs to that 1 critical living enterprise. Its rather transparent that it doesn't matter what you think if you don't agree with them.

You and your 'independent woman' posterity are already well on your way to the dust-bin of history.

[Smashingdoozy]

Which cultures are those? Just curious 🤨

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy Past cultures are the easiest to compare, but today you might also look at the still breeding cultures like India and to a lesser extent Latin America, although they too having been increasingly adapting theses modern 'ideas' are declining quickly.
So we are increasingly looking at the past cultures for comparison. Hence why this is such a threat for the whole human race.

You can't immigrate your way out of a 'modern' cultural problem being pushed around the world this effectively. Everyone who buys this is dying.

[Smashingdoozy]

It's interesting that you think that is the issue, considering the most traditional and conservative country in the entire world has a declining population.

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy How is it that your defining traditional or conservative? That is not even remotely close to what I've seen in the global demographics.
Both traditional and conservative by definition refer to past customs and believes. This is clearly NOT the same for almost any country on earth.

[Smashingdoozy]

North Korea is one of the most traditional countries. Gender roles are ingrained into their culture. Yet their birth rate is below replacement levels.

Countries that have high fertility rates are countries where people are forced to give birth to child after child after child. They're uneducated. They are poor. They are sick. The country can't afford to house, vaccinate, feed or educate the children.

So no countries who follow traditional gender roles aren't sustaining themselves. Their economy is in the toilet. If you really want to live in a place where 70% of people are illiterate and 33% of children are underweight and another 44% have stunted growth... By all means move there.

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy North Korea is a Socialist state, suffering under extreme posterity and oppression. They are not even remotely traditional or conservative.

indeed their birth rate collapsed in the late 70's in no small part because of the widespread labor force participation by women

[Smashingdoozy]

North Korea is a dictatorship disguised as a socialist state (which is a complete lie and everyone knows it).
Not that it matters as all we are referring to is their gender roles which are traditional.

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy Its rather hard to remain a free country under socialism with soo much power invested in the State. Its only a matter of time before the people in control of such power use it to remain in power.

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm really not concerned with your opinion on socialism or the government of North Korea as this again isn't about that.

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy No your interested in the effect of cultural changes on declining birth rates and regardless of the origin of those cultural and economic changes. You tried to allege North Korea as a counter example yet north Korea did the same progressive things of taking women from the business of making and raising babies.

[Smashingdoozy]

It wasn't progressive. They needed more workers after the korean war so they gave incentives to women to work. After the 50s and 60s things got better and there was no longer an incentive for women to work. Now they still work but also take on the traditional family gender roles.

Let's not ignore my opposite example though.

[Opinion Owner]

@Smashingdoozy You do know the Korean war ended effectively in the early 1950s that is about 2 decades before.

Regardless it doesn't so much matter why they took women out of the business of making and raising babies but that they did.
If it was for economic gain as it may have been in the west it was at the expense of long term prosperity and cultural decline. The equivalent of taking steroids to be strong, or living on savings sure it helps you to outperform for a while but it also killing or bankrupting you.

A war emergency is 1 thing if it last only a few years may be recoverable but decades of such a policy is not.

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeah... Hence why I said "after"...

Again we'll just ignore my opposite example huh?

[Steelcore5280]

Never have I ever heard of the idea of "men should sleep around" as a "traditional gender role." If anything, I've known that guys who have done/currently do that get blasted socially for it, and rightfully so.

Maybe I come from a family of high moral value and have high value friends, but not a single man I know respects a guy who sleeps around with all the women in town.

[Anonymous]

I can't support any of these in thier entirety. I do think as men we should be COMPELLED to provide. But in the modern world men and women have near equal value. Sometimes the woman is capable of making more. I've said before marriage today is a partnership. Both should give 100/100 not 50/50 and what is beneficial for thier family unit. No dynamic is equal.

WOMEN SHOULD be abstinent till marriage. But so should MEN! Society is far too oversexed. And it suffers because of it.

I enter every date with the intent of paying. I'll never understand why some guys make thier stand on this argument. I get that women are capable of paying thier way. But of the 100 that's going through my mind on a date. Who's paying is not going to be one of them.

[snowboarder720]

None of the above.


Each person is allowed to be themselves and do what is comfortable within their own standards. F**k gender roles and expecting others to conform to what you believe they should do because of their gender.
This is gender stereotyping. We should stop all of it and just allow everyone to just be themselves for themselves.

[lightbulb27]

I like the traditional African rules.

Men relax, women do the work. If there's a lion around, then... yell and scream and make a fuss. Lions do the same thing, not sure whom got the idea from whom...

See, there's a reason we save all our energy...

[Sunssong]

None. I don't support any tradition. I support ideas but not tradition. I don't support tradition because it impedes freedom of those who do not wish to accept it.

The #1 weakness and flaw of humans is that we continue to impede our own freedom.
We prefer everyone to be the same and deter uniqueness.

[reds-noro]

Why do you think there should be a universal ruling for this? Let the couple decide for themselves who fills what role. If you want to be a housewife, be a housewife and get a partner who wants/agrees to be a provider. It's not that difficult.

[motownplayer2000]

I think there is a place for traditional gender roles. However, we have fucked up what the fact we don’t know a biological man from a biological woman…. We don’t know what those are. So it’s kind of hard to be specific in gender roles when you can identify as a tree, a trash can, a raccoon… we need to get back understanding human anatomy and physiology before we can have higher level conversations about roles in a nucleus of a family and which sex does what in that relationship.

[shades777]

aome people don't evolve with the times, when everyone has the ability to work thrn its no reason for the man to pay for everything anymore, Im not going to expect a woman to protect so I will be doing that part, and we can collaborate on the procreating duties

[Anonymous]

Not sure if it is a gender role but i firmly believe that a man should be protecting her girlfriend/wife. From physical danger that is. Lets say a group of people are threatening both of you, your first reaction should be to protect your partner.

we are the stronger gender so it naturally makes sense.

[desidoll]

I voted for neither, but I find it to be laughable that many men voted A, knowing that at least half of them can’t even support themselves 😵‍💫

[Asker]

I am sure you would be more angry if they chose b) lol

[Spongebobssocks]

I support couples doing what works best for them so... all of them and non of them.:)

[Yannishka]

None of that. Let's both provide and swim in our riches!

[BoopBoopBeep]

1 and 2 or neither. I can go both ways... but it has to be consistent. You don't get the benefits of either without the responsibilities of either.

[Anonymous]

"Real men should sleep around real women should be abstinent"

Real men should sleep around in the marriage? Or just in general?

[Asker]

To me never

[Nikki1989]

There is only one correct answer, and it is the last one.

[baseball_del_tuono]

Why’s that correct

[Anonymous]

For all I know is women more and more are getting what they say they want in modern society nowadays and they are miserable about it.

[OfMiceandMen]

I am not a gender rule kind of guy, so none of the above applies.

[Massageman]

Each leads with their strengths, learns to fix their weak points, joins together to make the relationship work overall.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

None. I don't subscribe to society BS or what society tells me to do.

I will run my relationship as I see fit for me and my woman.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm both generous and lazy, so Number 5 and 6 sounds like a good deal to me

[msc545]

All the "virgin groupie" guys picked 1

[Asker]

What did you pick?

[msc545]

I don't recall now. The whole answer matrix is a mess on this question.

[yallxisxtrippin]

People should do what makes them happy. People should do who makes them happy. That is all. Nobody should be anyone's slave except maybe in consensual roleplay.

[Mangospacho]

3 and 4 are the Andrew Tate method, aren’t they.

[peedy]

Masculine feminine
Male female
Father mother
Husband wife

[007kingifrit]

i think they must all be true to some extent

[Simslover92]

Men should provide, women should give birth.

[Siri137]

None of the above, they all suck!

[Asker]

Not even men paying for the dates?

[Siri137]

Actually, the last one sounds reasonable. Sorry, I must have missed it :(

[Asker]

What do you mean last one?
The option G?

[Siri137]

"Both should be equally independent and responsible".

[Juxtapose]

I would like shared responsibility.

[Guanfei]

If I had to choose, A and C.

[Andres77]

Where’s the option for men having the children?

[Asker]

Because the question is about TRADITION

[Andres77]

OK I’m just messing with you

[humanearth]

What ever makes them comfortable

[Jamie05rhs]

I don't believe in any of these (except for #4.)

[Jamie05rhs]

But that's not gender-specific. That rule should apply to males and females.

[BarryLiverstone]

Women should give birth

[CuriousMufuxka]

Well that was quite obvious..

[Anonymous]

Can’t turn a hoe into a housewife

[Anonymous]

men lick, women suck

[Unit1]

None.