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Let me explain the beginning, what Islam is about and what the end means for all of us.
What Allah (God) same God, that we bow our heads to created the universe. When it came time to reveal to the angels and jinn's which was Adam, God molded him from Clay and taught Adam what the things on earth mean. The jinn, which was a servant to God, refused to bow down to God's creation. This jinn then said, okay why should I bow to this man, this human being, I am fire and I am better.
God said if you don't obey and get rid of this hatred inside of you then be gone. This is when the Devil came about and said fine give me until the day of judgment and I will take your people and steer them in the wrong direction. God said fine, but I will have faith in these people to follow my message and commit good deeds on earth.
The Devil follows everyone by whispering in the ear of others to bad things, but it's how strong your faith in God is to not commit those bad acts.
In terms of Islam - It is about the religion of peace, it's about helping those in need, donating, helping the poor, giving back, going through life's struggles and making dua's to God for a better tomorrow, it means praying 5 times a day (if you can), fasting, reading the Quran and truly understanding the Quran, it means understanding how it started and how it ends, those who before us and those who will come after us (i. e: Jesus, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and others.
The Quran states when two-thirds of the world is gone, due to disease, hunger, war and more. An Anti-Christ will emerge and tell his followers with an army of 70,000. This is when Jesus will return on earth and the 12th Imam (Imam Madhi) will kill this antichrist. Jesus will pray behind Imam Madhi, Jesus will reveal he is indeed Muslim. Imam Madhi will help people and lead the people for seven years after that Jesus will serve for 40 years after that.
Everything in the Quran that has been mentioned has come true, and the return of Jesus and Imam Madhi is one that will happen in the future. On the Day of Judgement, God will judge each 1 of us due to our actions and how we treated others. Get 1 thing straight (to the ignorant people on here) people who are terrorists like ISIS and Al-Qaeda will burn in hell for thier actions, that's the truth, what those vicious, mentally-deranged thugs are doing is AGAINST Islam, they do not represent the religion of Islam.
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..." Quran (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Quran (24:2) - "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you." Not only is physical torture prescribed as punishment for moral crime between consenting adults, but believers are told to suppress their natural urge for human compassion.
Torture in the next:
Quran (22:19-22) - "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning." The punishment of those who merely disbelieve in Muhammad's claims about himself is described as being horrifically brutal in many other places as well, such as Quran 4:56, which says that they will face a continuous cycle of torture in which their skin will be burned off only to be replaced by new skin.
How Allah feels about non-Muslims naturally determines the attitude of devout Muslims. In the Quran, Muhammad explicitly uses Allah's hatred of unbelievers to motivate his people to Jihad:
Quran (9:73): "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."
Hadith and Sira
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66.
Hadith and Sira
The most reliable Hadith collection contain numerous accounts of Muhammad and his companions putting people to death for leaving Islam. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Those who obey the Messenger obey Allah."
Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "... The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.
Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
I advice you to search more bro believe me you will change your opinion after that.
this is 5% of the fucked up shit there is in the quran and hadith
i am ex muslim after i saw the true islam I've been muslim for 16 years i know what islam is.
and what you become noz
agnostic, i dont know if there is god or not i dont really care because there is not enough proof for me. I will try to be the best human i can be. but yet your religion says that i deserve hell.
life will teach you bro trust me and thanks for your help☺️
i wished heaven existed bro but we are stuck in a box called earth its the hard truth it took me 3 months to call ex muslim and another 8 months for me to just forget about islam.
You're grabbing stuff nonchalantly without the context and claim it's what it says. It's utterly hilarious. Bet you don't even know that some words in arabic are impossible to translate in English.
The definition of ignorance is you sir.
it got translated by scholars and imams its on muslim websites and i can read arabic its my second language but i like to read it in English because i like English and not arabic.
But do you know the context and the meaning behind them? Clearly not. Otherwise you'd have shut up.
That is what muslim always say. you dont know the meaning of this verse or that or this verse. Go fucking read that book called quran and hadiths are you blind or something. you guys call kaffirs blind while you guys are stuck in your fairy tale world.
فَذَرْهُمْ يَخُوضُوا وَيَلْعَبُوا حَتَّىٰ يُلَاقُوا يَوْمَهُمُ الَّذِي يُوعَدُونَ
I was a fucking atheist for 2 years. Don't you tell me that I blindly converted back. You're just blind and indeed ignorant.
I never called unbelievers blind. They have their way of living and I respect it.
Fairy tale world? Hah. Could you show some respect at least? If you disgree fine, no need to bash things you don't understand
lol you are ignorant as fuck
Sahih Bukhari (52:260) "the prophet (muhammed) said: "If somebody (a muslim) discards his religion. kill him.' "
the meaning behind that is that you need to kill someone that leaves islam, not that difficult to understand unless you are a fucking donkey.
leaving islam is punishable in dead in 9 countries that follow sharia law correctly. altough most muslim countries its possible to get killed when leaving islam. if the goverment does not kill you, your family will kill you.
Back to your made up numbers. I think it's utterly pathetic that you throw wood to the fire while it's not even true.
i dont give a fuck about your life you are ignoring facts and the truth.
serious ik weet niet of je nu grapje maakt of niet. want je bent nu kanker dom bezig. ik ha niet meer met je praten. tenzij het een grap is😂
Hah. Did you read the history of it? No. It was related to that time. There was a reason for it. Besides with muslims They mean those who know Islam very well. Like scholars. Bet you did less when you were muslim so it doesn't matter.
🙏 let him Talk we don't need to insult each other
That wasn't a fact. State of denial, ah I knew it.
Of course now you're going to insult me because I'm right. Pathetic. 😊
i know the reason behind it people left islam and backstabbed muslim. but there are a lot of peacefull people that leave islam and that rules count for them to. that is how fucked up islam is its like saying. kill all 10 people because 1 of them is terrorist
That's not fucking true. It's cultural related.
+ you do realize that you'll never be like white people simply because you look arab. They'll treat you the same like other arabs and muslims 😊 Insulting your own kind makes it only worse.
idc im happy that i dont look like a fucking goatfucker from arabia. i look hispanic and in happy for that. arab race is a fucking shame we are fighting each other over religion in middle east, childish kids can't grow up. and he only way to grow up is to leave those fairy tales behind.
😂😂😂😂😂 DID YOU JUST SAY WE'RE FIGHTING FOR RELIGION.
Oh lord even my atheist friends know what's going on in the middle east is due to a secret organisation who wants to wreak havoc,. Again, know what you're saying.
You look more arab in my opinion so that's unfortunate.
who helps those secret cia organisations? MUSLIM COUNTRIES Turkey-Saudi-Jordan-Gulf states are funding radical muslim fighters in syria and in iraq for their own interest. Saudi arabia bombs the yemeni population to try and kill the shias houti rebel group over there. islam is cancer. And i dont look arab if i ask people what race do i look like they sai either hispanic or turkish.
you dont have to explain me anything about secret organisation im following these wars since i was 11 about 6 years now.
Nope that's what the media is telling you while the true criminals do their work.
Islam isn't cancer, you're ignorant. Trust me I left it for the same reason and got back once I gained knowledge.
Nah you really look arab and even when then if you think you look turkish/hispanic they still won't consider you one of them and you'll never be.
Well my congratulations on being successfully brainwashed with media trash
Im done with talking to you, Everyone who disagrees with islam is brainwashed, of course.
im a realist i dont fall for propaganda
Its funny how you try to convince me that i look like arab you can believe that in your fucking dreams.
😂😂😂 Well at least you made me laugh today. I would run away too if I noticed my failure.
Either way I couldn't care less, I still view you as my moroccan brother
You probably got from the website called religionofpeace. com
Typical of people who don't bother to take time to learn about Islam.
I can think of a few reasons.
There are two type of qoranic verses. The first type are those that were revealed during the first period of islam when the prophet lived in mecca. Since he and his followers were the minority in mecca the verses that were revealed during that time are mostly peaceful and advocating tolerance and kindness to some extent. Then there are those verses that were revealed during the second period when Muhammad lived in Medina and he and his followers made the majority in Medina. That's when he and his followers forced people of other abrahamic religions to either convert to islam, and not just pretend but entirely change their beliefs; pay jizya, which is money you pay to the muslims because you are living in a place where muslims are ruling over you and you have no rights and are less than them. If you refused to accept those two options your blood was halal and you were killed. It's worth to mention that pagans had absolutely no choice and had to either convert or be killed.
The verses during this time preach hate and intolerance. That's also when muslims start spreading islam violently to other places and destroyed many civilizations and forced the people of those countries to convert to islam.
Under these verses non muslims are less than muslims, every muslim's mission should be spreading islam, even if they deny it. The concep of taqqiya allows muslims to hide their agenda when they feel it could put them at a disadvantage. It basically says a Muslim is allowed to lie and pretend in order to save his true motives and guarantee his survival until he lives in a muslim majority place where he can force the religion on otheres.
The thing is, once you have accepted to be a Muslim you can never leave the religion. If you ever do you're a murtad which basically means "returned from religion". A murtad's blood is halal and they can be killed in the name of islam...
Since the Medinan suras were reavealed later, muslim scholars believe these verses are the final concept and are more valid than the first verses.
There are many more reasons of course, but these are probably the most disturbing reasons people perceive islam as a violent religion... And to be honest who wouldn't?
Many are unwilling to acknowledge that SOME muslims do commit violence in the name of religion. Instead, they say "its a religion of peace" and expect everyone to agree and it's repeated after every attack made in the name of islam. Why don't they see the common factor in all these attacks? Why is a blind eye always turned?
Some are very extreme and take what is in their holy book way too seriously.
They are generally not accepting of other cultures/religions (experienced this first hand with my own culture and religion). Imams have publicly said "Kill all Jews" and have been applauded for it (Explain how this is peaceful? Please. I'm waiting).
Women are treated like property, honor killings, forced to cover up, etc.
Some want to enforce sharia law in the west, which is extremely frightening. There have been reports of sharia patrol in Europe. It's fine if something works in your country, but if you move to another country, you need to follow THEIR laws. You can't just start enforcing sharia law in a western society. Sharia law doesn't exist in western society for a reason.
Evil is something that's within human beings, not concept of religion in my perspective.
Yes there are some idiots and lunatics..
On another note the media doesn't display all atrocities that occur on the planet...
Any holy book is interpreted by each individual on a different level just like any story book right...
So any book can breed light or darkness depending on the cognitive process of each individual right?
I know a lot of Muslims that don't care about what someone else is, but treat them with respect and dignity none the less.
There are atrocities that happen in the name of God in a lot of religions, but get dispelled due to media.
You probably meet many Muslims on your daily commute, in the office etc... on a daily basis and are kind to you without realising.
@Drifter83UK that didn't answer anything for me.
1. Why are Imams applauded for calling for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel? That is not peace.
2. Why is a blind eye always turned when these attacks happen?
TBH, I remember reading that even the Prophet himself said if you go to a foreign country, don't implement your religion's law in it AKA When you are in Rome, be a Roman. Be respectful of the land's law you live in.
So some muslims especially from the middle east tend to try and enforce their law here cause they're too ignorant/stupid to know this.
@rgb008 Yeah, frankly I feel bad for the decent people who are muslims (not those other dickheads who calls themselves muslims). As an atheist with friends from all kinds of religions, the muslim community should really start doing something about it. It's their own problem and either they're doing jackshit or barely doing anything at all. From my own personal exp, the muslims from the Middle East especially tend to be more aggressive if you really compare with other muslims in the world. I asked my Muslim friends why is that and they said yeah, usually it's always problems from those Arabs. A lot of them have that "holier than thou" attitude apparently cause since the Quran is in Arabic, so they think they are better Muslims or something. Dumbasses are everywhere. No matter what religion you're in. lol
@rgb008 you ask me why Muslims are asking for death of Israeli's. you wouldn't know the true percent of that unless you ask every Muslim in the world of which you'd find a minority...
I could have simply been a cheeky bugger and asked how many Israeli's are wishing the death of Palestinian men, women and children?
Just trying to get you to understand a point. Be careful about being bias or listening to unjustified bias. bias is everywhere... you have your own from how you've grown up and what material you've chosen to read amongst other choices...
It's terrorists that kill people, not muslims. And terrorists can be Christian, Jew, atheist, any religion or lack thereof under the sun. And I say this as a christian American with an Islamic American best friend. And a big FUCK YOU to those who are prejudiced. You are unamerican and are everything that is wrong with this country.
thanks for your answer & brilliant ideas really i liked you answer thank you again🙏
Not a brilliant answer, just common sense. Which I guess is the new standard for brilliant in this country. Only the unintelligent hate before trying to understand.
Not many people use their brains much.. what way better to spread hate across and divide people fast? (apologies for my skepticism, but. you guys are radical in your own right).
How difficult would it be for me to pretend I'm Muslim, blow myself up and scream in the name of God when I do so if it ensures a culling or distrust toward them (same scenario can go for any situation).
Someone else made a point about disregarding military.
You can not disregard military when it does the opposite of the protection they swear and instead kill innocent and rape men, women and children (it's a sick world, shit happens)
Also there have been cases of Christians such as the white school kid who shot up his classmates and teachers in the name of Jesus and the holy words of the Bible...
there are many examples of wrong doing all over the world. Just because you don't see something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Opinion
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One simple reason: Hypocrisy
Here is the dictionary definition of hypocrisy:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
Muslims tell rest of the non Muslim world that Islam is a “religion of peace”. However they fail to convey this message to fellow Muslims who indulge in violence. If Muslims start teaching peace to their own people instead of defending their religion after every terrorist attack, this world will be a very peaceful place, there will be no more terrorist attacks, we will all love Islam, and Muslims will not have to go out telling every one that Islam is a religion of peace.
Since when are honor killings and violence against women indicative of peace, mercy, and tolerance?
I think those are more indicative of body pieces, murders, and intolerance.
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IN BANGLADESH, 2011...
'I've got a surprise for you': Husband blindfolds his wife... and then chops off all her fingers to stop her studying for a degree
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...op-studying-degree.html
Bangladesh man 'admits' cutting off wife's fingers
http://www.BBC.com/news/world-asia-16201961
Police say Rafiqul Islam, 30, attacked her because she pursued higher education without his permission.
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IN BUFFALO NY USA, 2009 ...
Muslim TV mogul Muzzammil Hassan's alleged beheading of wife, Aasiya Hassan, may be 'honor killing'
www.nydailynews.com/.../...illing-article-1.393494
The gruesome death of Orchard Park resident Aasiya Zubair Hassan — who was found decapitated — and the arrest of her estranged husband are drawing widespread attention, as speculation roils about the role that the couple’s religion may have played.
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IN ISRAEL, June 2017...
ISRAELI BEDUIN WOMAN FOUND BURNED AND BURIED IN SUSPECTED 'HONOR KILLING'
m.jpost.com/.../Israeli-beduin-woman-found-burned-and-buried-in-apparent-honor-killing-497191
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IN PAKISTAN, June 2017...
12-Year-Old Pakistani Girl Killed In Latest 'Honor Killing'
www.rferl.org/.../28588302.html
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IN GERMANY, 2005 AND TURKEY, 2017...
www.nytimes.com/.../...-germany-honor-killing.html
Turkey Acquits 2 Men in Berlin ‘Honor Killing’ of Their Sister
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So, what's the lesson to be learned?
All over the world, wherever Muslims may be, there are honor killings. This is not something advocated by others but seems to be endemic to Islamic culture.
It is hard for a culture to shake-off a stereotype when its people are constantly living down to it.
First off many religions have had a violent past islams is no exception. 2 it's fear of the unknown (which in some sense is reasonable). I agree with what trump said "we don't know who these people are" my personal opinion is that probley 98 of them are perfectly fine but 1 person dying from a terrorist is to many no one wants to die like that. Unfortunately incidences like the Manchester bombing doesn't help the cause and PC culture makes people afraid of reporting suspicious activity because I don't want to seem racist. The Manchester bomber was from England he grew up in England and sort of was the guy who recruited him he was very young when His parent to the UK (I'm not sure if he was born there) The fear comes from people like him. People want to protect their love ones as much as possible right now the recognizable Brett is possums (Thank apple speaker) the recognizable threat is muslims. Just like most illegal immigrant are trying to come over for work but there are some who come with illegal drugs and no one but drug addicts wants that. Is a completed issue to some up what I was trying to say
have you ever search about islam
A few things unfortunately a lot is biased toward Islam. They have an interesting history both Christian and Muslim have done very good and very bad in the world. Era very tribal culture (ima kill these spelling ). Like the shinis and shieties they kill each other all the time. There treat ment of women is horrible and they won't let anyone make criticisms about there religion without threading there life A lot of the history does not help their case
the history of islam is very important it's the one who gives the woman her rights if you search about it in the right resources you will change your ideas about it.
People in the west have a negative attitude to Islam partly because of the terror attacks that have occurred throughout the years but also because Islam is anti-west. They won't assimilate in western society's lifestyle but expect westerners to accept their anti-western ways of life such as genital mutilation on children, wife beatings, banning dogs in their Muslim-dominated neighborhoods, murdering gays etc. Muslim lawmakers are trying to pass sanctions all over the US and Europe through organizations like CAIR that want Islamic curriculum in secular schools and creating "safe spaces"for Muslims only. Other people who know more about Islam have talked about a law that allows Muslims to lie to non Muslims called taqiyya, and they know how far Muslims who closely follow Sharia Law will go to preserve and promote their religion of peace. People in the west don't trust a religion that breeds extremists who will blow up themselves and everyone else in order to get to heaven. Christianity, which Western civilization as we know it was founded on, never did stuff like that.
I've heard this said before. "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims." And I agree with that statement all the way. Here's the deal. I don't hate the religion. I hate the people who kill innocnet peole in the name of Islam. In addition, I also feel like the Islamic people, and the idea of Islam in Westurn society is a lot different then you have in a lot of middle eastern countries. Which is why after every terrorist attack, you have Muslim and other people from Westurn society trying to make up some kind of excuse as to why Islam should not be blamed or whatever. And it's stupid. I feel like in today's world you have Islam that comes from people in these middle eastern countries where if your gay you are shoved off of a roof, or if you are a women you have no rights. And where killing people in the name of Islam is a honor. And then you have Islam from Westurn society who makes it seem all nice and pretty, when in reality all of women and gay people living in these middle eastern countries would not agree. It's just like with any religion, both of these groups are distorting the religion, so to be honest, who knows what real "Islam" is anymore. But it's the same thing with every religion, it's based on individual interpration. Who knows what it all actually means? But with Islam, people are just going way out of control with their interpration of it. Which includes killing innocent people, and oppressing many others. And people who don't anknowlage this and say "Islam is peaceful blah blah blah" are part of the problem. Instead of apologizing for Islam, you should be focusing on terrorism and saying "How are we going to stop this?" But no, people like you just cry when people make bad statements about Islam. But no one is lying and no one is distorting shit. Open you eyes and face the truth. 😕
Thanks :)
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
A quote from Romeo must die 😅
it holds an essential truth.
Humans can do good or evil, not tools.
You get good and bad people from all cultures. There is mass genocide taking place all over the world that is caused by other religions and militia the same. These aren't shown in media.
Also... how can most people not notice these so called Muslims that are killing people have murdered more Muslim women and children than any other religion?
My point is good and evil comes in all forms. This evil resides within all kinds of people indiscriminate to things like race/religion and creeds.
Am I wrong?
I'm sure you walked past lots of Muslim people on your way to and from work.. even at work or in the shops... How many tried to kill you?
Hello there, and thanks for the reply. I kind of agree/kind of respectfully disagree with you tho. It goes back to my first sentence sir. Many humans are evil and disgusting. But I'm just focuing on this one problem for now. I'm only 16, I pay a lot more attention than other stupid kids my age. 😁 And I mentioned in my post the poor treatment of women and others in these Middle Easturn Countries. That's is a problem too. These terrorists, are hurting ALL types of people in the name of their religion. And they are doing it massively. Look at all these freaking terrorist attacks in Europe. And the rise in rape and sexual attacks. I mean that stuff is just awful and scary. No Muslims have tried to kill me personally. No one has ever tried to kill me ever. Anyone can be evil, and you aren't just evil. It's always inspired by something. Most serial killers were abused, or had some kind of bad past. (Just watch the show Criminal Minds, which is one of my favorite shows ever)
Anyways, all I'm saying is this stuff needs to be acknowledged. Not all Muslims are terrorists. But that does not mean we should ignore the ones that are, and act like they don't exist. Or act like they aren't doing what they are doing in the name of their religion. And I have no problem with Muslims. I just want people to start recognizing that the ones who are terrriorists, are a problem. That's all. You can't act like "evil is indiscriminate to race/religion", because of course it's not. But there are factors that INSPIRE evil. :) Thanks for your words! 😉❤
What I learned from Criminal Minds is there is always a "trigger event" for the minds of a lot evil people. Anyone can be susceptible to these no matter the religion or race etc. But religion and race do inspire evil. In certain people that is. 😏
Crimal minds is the best show. Welp now I'm just fangirling over criminal minds. XD
thanks Jay.
I'm hitting base notes (apologies for the music analogy) 😅.
If you dive deeper into things you'll note it's politics in religion that's incites rather than religion itself.
I understand your point completely, however if you do further research you'll note there is still terrorism and genocide committed from all faiths... media is bias.. if you ever studied that and propaganda you will begin to notice things that you have never realised, aswell as things not published by one type of media..
I'm trying not to go into things too deep, as I believe everyone should find their own answers 👍
@Drifter83UK the issue is terrorism is the most current one. Sure all faiths have done things in the past but islamic terrorist are the ones doing it the most. Also islam isn't just a religion but a way of life. There are religious aspects but also very strict politicsl aspects
terrorism is terrorism... maybe I'm a little stupid or something that I believe so 😅... when I learnt of the word in my early learning... nobody nor the dictionary had told me terrorism was affiliated with the word Islamic 😂.
terrorism
ˈtɛrərɪzəm/
noun
noun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"the fight against terrorism"
Origin
late 18th century (in reference to the rule of the Jacobin faction during the the period of the French Revolution known as the Terror): from French terrorisme, from Latin terror (see terror).
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@Drifter83UK man you are on daft guy... Using dumbass tactics as points. Everyone knows terrorism as a word doesn't mean islam. But most terrorism across the globe over the past decades was in the name of islam. So yeah, islamists are fucking terrorists. And islamists isn't the same as a muslim by the way.. Im just glad they got rid of isis.. Good going..
@lord_chilled.. Your only means to communicate is to insult me... Insultme all you like. Majority of fundementals have thr means and enact terrorism. Extremists come in all forms and colours. Just because you only believe what you see on the TV or news paper, it doesn't mean other means of terrorism doesn't occur...
How better to control the people than to instil fear i to their very cores. This is how votes that wouldn't pass do. Just because of the high levrls of propaganda you wish to see as truth as you "only believe what you can see with your own 2 eyes" mantra.. It doesn't make that absolute does it?
This islam = terrorist thing you go on about... Did you know more muslims have died at the hand of these plebbs than any other?
@mr_mxy I see your logic. Islam is supposed to be a way of life yes. Did you know one of the fundamental logic state if you live in a foreign land with people who aren't of the same faith, you must obide to the law of the land... Unfortunately some people are lost. This is history repeating itseld in many variations... Their have been times where most people have been persecuted or some forms of their own revolts.
How many muslims do you pass in the streets daily, or serve you somewhere? Do these people show you compassion? Or do they try to "blow you up"?
Some times to see things, we have to step back and view things from a different perspective...
Any form of terrorism comes from a sickness that was in these peoples minds before they found religion.
Humans have the means to create something beautiful, or destroy everything they tread on.
It's more of a psychological disease than anything else.
If you look throughout history, you will find perfect examples of this.
@Drifter83UK the problem is many muslims living in forgien lands now is they dont abide by the local laws look at some places in Europe. Rather they push sharia law in these regions as they slowly takeover with population growth. This is a very old strategy ever since the time of ancient empires. As u said this isn't every muslim but it needs to be addressed. That said noone is saying every muslim is bad but to dismiss the many issues members of the religion are causing is short sided and ignorant. I haven't meant many muslims but the ones i did paid me no mind. That is why i stricly say not every muslim is bad as there are many good ones. But the bad ones are being ignored for the sake of political correct bullshit. This is the problem i have with many liberals. As soon as someone mentions something negative about islamic terrorist they are called islamaphobic and racist.
@mr_mxy I understand your logic. Isn't a terrorist a terrorist regardless of race, colour or creed though?
There are also many people who don't abide by the laws of a country. We usually name them criminals or insane... Or my favourite the criminally insane 🙄.
When that dude shot up prople in vegas... Why wasn't that terrorism?
Or the daily massacres of Palestinian women and children?
Or these dudes that are running people over on the side walks then doing doughnuts.
I never once tried to claim any kind od person is better than anyone else due to a belief system.
If i started to kill in the name of Jesus or something... Would that make me a Christian or catholic terrorist?
Or wouldn't i just be another sick sociopath using something as an excuse?
I'd love to hear your thoughts as you're actually making points rather than just doing what others are and saying these people are good or bad.
@Drifter83UK. Terrorism seems to be based more in political or regilous climets. A mass shooter or serial killer tends to do things for themselves not in the name of a larger aspect. If a christian killed a bunch of muslims in the name of jesus yes i would probably be more inclined to call them terrorist. The issue is ISLAMIC terrorism seems to happen more often and is a much bigger threat. Now chances are that these attacks are done in the name of their government and not nesscarly their religion. But in Islamic countries the two are sometimes one in the same. So yes anyone can be considered a terrorist but for the past decade the focus and threat has been from islam. That is to say i had a teacher from india who mentioned that the muslims in india had a much different outlook and practice to them. The comedian gabrial Iglesias mentioned how he was treated with hospitality. It really does seem like the terrorism is more based on the political side of islam over all.
@Drifter83UK continuing from my last reply. Even though most terrorist attacks seem to be politically focused as i have said the religious aspect is somewhat intertwined with the political aspect. The religion itself isn't bad nor is everyone wjo pratices it. The problem is with the politics of the religion.
@Drifter83UK you can scream propaganda, propaganda all you want, but most terrorists today are muslims. Its a fact.
If you dont understand that , you are an idiot.
I know them firsthamd, and i can assure you, they do hava an is vs them mentality.
And by the way, if you are delusional enough to believe islam is as peaceful as other relogions, take a look at the guy who created it. A rapist, murderer.
Easy to become a terrorist when you follow a guy like that.
And muslims being targeted by other muslims helps YOUR argument? Nah man, it helps my argument
@mr_moxy first off I'd like to say, well presented 👍.
I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree lol. I don't think there is anything Islamic about terrorism. You hit a nail on the head with the politics in religion though. Also haven't you noticed that these so called Islamic terrorists have killed more muslims and wreaked more havoc against their so called "own kind" than anyone else?
To get to the truth of anything one must read all forms of bias and figure out the similarities right?
@lord_chilled aren't the four main books from the same one god? So if you do believe as a Christian, Catholic, Jew or Islam.. It's from the same derivative...
@Drifter83UK i have to respectfully disagree. I think islam has a part in terrorism but its the political part. But as islam is both a religious and political foundation in the end it is still islamic politics. Therefore islam is a part of terrorism at the very least the political part of islam.
@Drifter83UK the same god, not the same authors and not the same prophet.
Jews have the oldest version, they dont believe in jesus as the messiah, the son of god.
Christians and catholics folllow pretty much the same bible.
Muslims follow the new 7th century prophet muhammad.
He also was warlord who committed conquests and genocides. Then used religion to justify his actions. So, while the god in all three religions are based on the same, they follow the teachings of someone, on the level of stalin and hitler.
Try to manipulate "main kampf" into the bible, preach a little non violence and tell me about your new, peaceful religion.
@Lord_chilled, you don't wish for any discussions and that's pretty obvious lol. There is still genocide and issues happening freely in Palestine and other parts of thr world. .. Just because you don't hear it on the news or haven't picked up a book and read about various topics... It doesn't mean they didn't or aren't i existence.
I think you need to step back from your post of hatred a little and try to sift through all the information. You're hating people just like the group of radical terrorist psychopaths you hate (food for thought).
@Drifter83UK excuse me?
People dont know about the genocide happening in palestine?
No , i think people are very well aware of that. They have been at war for quite a while now!
What i said is something else, but something very simple.
If you have a religious leader, a symbol, a prophet even, who committed mass murder and rapings, and you adore this fella, then you are hypocritical for saying your religion is about peace.
That is a fact. Tell me otherwise if you dare.
Of course you can't, because there is no denying of what he did. Its recorded in history.
And if you have a belief system, with THAT guy as the center, you are much more likely to be radicalized and turned into a terrorist.
Be reasonable for a minute and abandon your thinking of "all religions are the same" for a minute.
Who do you think is more likely to strap a bomb onto himself and blow himself up along with a bunch of innocents,
A guy who follows a prophet who died for the sins of all people,
Or a a guy who follows
A prophet that committed genocides, conquests, and engaged in rape and pedophilia?
I dont think you have to be very smart to figure that one out.
Calling out the truth isn't hatred.
I dont have hatred for muslims who believe in peace, i have a problem with islamists bent on conquering the world, based on a religion written by a former 7th century warlord.
Where you get rapings and pedophilia from? Lol
I think you need to speak to some historians or something maybe?
@Drifter83UK im very well aware.
Ever hear of aisha?
It seems to me you know nothing about the prophet whose religion you are trying so hard to defend
I don't hate muslims specially those who are kids or teenagers because they have little to no choice cause they raised them and if they live under their parents roof they gotta follow orders. Even though we know a lot of muslims are friendly and they are people like us, no better and no worse, there are a lot of people out there in the Middle East suffering under Islam, women get stoned and whipped to death for little things, some are even blamed for their own rape, and gay people get thrown out of the top of buildings. It is so sad but true. People get punished by cutting off their hands. literally. The poor women have to cover themselves excessively. It is not peaceful. I wish this wasn't true but most terrorist attacks come in the name of islam. And there are brutal verses on the Quran like behead those who insult islam. Not that its okay to disrespect a religion or anyone but beheading is not a peacful resonse if you ask me. Again, I know most muslims specially those living in the west won't do that. They hate islam, not muslims.
I don't blame people who hate Islam. Personally, I don't. Though I was an ex-muslim I care less about it. The reason I blame those people is that I have friends right now who want to convert to Islam and they come to me asking me why a man is allowed to hit his wife? why is there so much contradiction within Quran? why is there such hate on homosexuality? and why why why why. My answer would be: I am not a muslim anymore.
To be honest with y'all Islam has so much great things to follow such as generosity, caring for the poor, fighting racism, and so on..
The thing is muslims themselves are humans and they are peaceful because they nitpick the good things from Islam which is great. let me put this way modern muslims are way more peaceful than the ones before. However, ISIS is bringing back the old studies and applying them in a savage way. That's why people HATE Islam.
There's two types of haters. Haters who just hate you because you are different and haters who read Quran/ saw what ISIS does and didn't like it.
However, as a guy who is seeking truth there's much more than doing a prayer or following what your parents told you to follow and when I started reading I learnt that Islam has so much inhumane things.
In a nutshell what you see on the internet is just people hiding behind their screens and talking shit about your belief when it comes down to real life those assholes are 1% of the community.
OK I see
1. not sure who applauds about Jew killing, I believe the only answer would be is they are the same kind of radical as the Israeli that applaud on the death of Palestinian women and children...
radical shits are in humans, not a specific religion unfortunately...
*If you witness these things with imaams, you should report this mosque to the authorities and to other Muslims (majority of Muslims are not fond of atrocious behaviour as they are just like you and I and not fond of senseless killing).
2. how is a blind eye turned?
Any attack that happens the authorities usually link events to Muslims...
Usually before it's even known it's Muslim people, hence many of these people are targeted when walking down the streets and sitting in their vehicles.
On a human level, I feel sorry for innocent lives destroyed. Whether they have religion or not.. To me all people are the same.
I cut my self, I bleed; they cut themselves, they bleed.
I have no sympathy for humans that are a waste, but just cause one person of a certain colour, race or creed does something stupid.. it doesn't mean I villify that particular sects entire people for the mistake of one..
Hatred begets, hatred. violence begets violence.
because it does have violence and murder... not all granted but the Doctrine itself is easily turned in to a blade. otherwise, there would be ISIS groups in every religion but the majority of terrorism as of late with religious backing is Islam.
you can call it peace all you want yet you still have a sword.
Christianity uses to be just as bad and so was Judaism. but they have enough metaphorical and subliminal cherry picking bullshit that they can ignore the more vile verses in favor of hippy shit.
now you can try and counter this all you want but its just Fact.
even the most moderate of Muslims are the more puritan than the most puritan Christian. the current state of their countries being totalitarian countries stuck in the 1800s and seem to be reverting back to the dark ages just with more Guns and media.
it does not look good on the religion as a whole.
regardless of ISIS the sheer influx of refugees fleeing such countries and who are too stupid to realize it is their doctrine and ideas itself that caused them to flee from their lands in the first place
and causing a fuck ton of problems for Europe and any poor bastard who takes them in.
"All we see on the Internet are lies they try to distort the image of this religion"
Sure, because we don't have Sharia police patrols in our cities pissing us off, we don't have muslims sitting on their asses off and living of our taxes, we don't have muslim rape gangs who specifically target European amen to rape, we don't have muslim murderers and thieves who are disproportionally the majority of criminals. It's all lies we see on the internet. The fact that we witness is where we live does not matter I guess.
As all the violent verses of the book of a pedophile warlord that motivate them to do all these things don't matter either. Tolerance? We saw plenty of that in the recent first gay marriage between muslims.
Your muslim loving taqiya affects only stupid, self-hating liberals. Islam is the religion of oppression, violence and death. Everywhere there is islam there is oppression and misery. We don't need the internet to see it. We have 1,500 years of history and today you are living among us and we witness it every day.
Honestly, I hate all religions because it keeps people naive and stops them from thinking for themselves. What I don't hate is the people who follow the religion.
I hate Islamic religion in particular, because the followers seem very strict about it. A lot of 'Christian believers' skip out of church, don't pray anymore, etc; I think this shows individualism and the fact that they think for themselves. I don't see this phenomena with Islamic believers.
Another aspect in general is probably that we know less about your religion, even though I'm an atheïst, bordering antitheïst, I've had about 10 years of bible classes. This caused me to understand their point of view. The amount of occurences that I've heard about Islamic religion during these classes can be counted on one hand.
One more thing I can think of, the guy sitting next to me at work is very much a Catholic believer, but I never noticed this until after a few months. I've never had this with an Islamic believer, you will know immediately.
To get back to my first point, I dislike religions. I don't dislike the people who believe in them, as long as they follow our laws.
Who are you to say what Islam is or is not?
Why is your opinion more valuable than a wahhabist or salafist? Why is your opinion more valuable than thousands or tens of thousands of fundamentalist Islamic clerics and scholars? What of Linda Sarsoor? Why is your opinion more important than hers where she says that women who have come out against female circumcision deserve to have their vaginas ripped out?
Rather than you ask me why, why don't you explain why such radicalism spawns from the most vocal and active Muslims?
Do I want Islam to be the beautiful peaceful religion you say it is? Of course I do. The question is why do its most fervent fillers of which there are tens of millions or more support such radicalism and violence?
@Izumiblu
The Great Mufti of Cairo did emit a fatwa against female circumcision. female circumcision is NOT an Islamic rule. It's a local custom that predates Islam.
@jacquesvol and?
The Patriarch of the Coptic Church too spoke out against FGM , the govt. made a law and everyone disregards them in primitive areas.
But western propaganda likes to glue it to Islam.
@jacquesvol
Where and when fgm originates and who does it is irrelevant to my point. Ripping out peoples vaginas is violent, Linda Sarsoor says women that speak against their families tradition are not following the ways of Islam and deserve it, she does appeals in from of the world as a devout Muslim. Western media didn't do that, she did. The whole discussion about Islam being a religion of peace is stupid. Without people religion does not exist. Religion is what people make it. While western Muslims cry to the those who will listen about peace other Muslims would gladly kill them for apostasy. Islam isn't a religion of peace, it is just like Christianity and Judaism. It is what its adherents chose to make of it that matters, intent means nothing.
“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout...” (Quran 9:5).
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- îaram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. (Quran 2:191)
"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks" (Quran 47:4)
"When your lord revealed to the Angels, 'truly I am with you. So keep firm those who believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers."
(Quran 8:12)
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
(Quran 4:34)
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
(Quran 4:89)
Yup. Religion of peace.
Not to mention the people around me who are from Islam never really showed me much of peace, mercy or tolerance as you say your religion is. But hey my there's a verse of that too!
O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
(Quran 9:123)
They berate other people who aren't from the religion for just eating food during the time of their fasting month.
You see Islamic terrorists but you don't see terrorists from other religions such as Christianity or Buddhism etc.
Religion of peace! 🙆🏻
Nah Christianity has issues of their own too haha and its quite exposed, some of them, eg history of all the popes
How can you be so misguided and misguiding others like this? What you did here is very similar to an example where i would be playing with my daughter in my backyard and running after her in circles telling her "i'm gonna kill you" or "Im gonna eat you" and then some random guy passes and sees us then calls the police and says "There is a guy running after a little child threatening to kill her".
You are taking the verses way out of context. You are copy pasting literally one verse and ignoring the verses that come before it and the verses that come after it which gives you a better and clearer picture of the situation and context.
Just to make it clear, the verses you mentioned were part of a story in the past of what god instructed the prophet and his army to do in during the time they were in war with the non-believers who had previously prosecuted them. They are NOT instructions for current Muslims to do. Please read: www.islamicity.org/.../
Please tell me, if what you are trying to 'portray' about Islam being a religion of 'Terror and war'...
Then how do those verses exist?
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Quran 2:256
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.
Quran 5:8
Fight in the way of God those who fight against you, but do not transgress. God does not love the transgressor. Quran 2:190
People would not think that Islam is a threat if it weren't for Islamic terrorists mind you, if my words sound like I'm misguiding people, let the actions of the people from your religion speak for me.
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
Quran 60:8
Even in a time of War. There are very very strict humane rules and ethics that Muslims are REQUIRED to follow:
We are required to feed the captives:
They [are those who] fulfill [their] vows and fear a Day whose evil will be widespread. And they give food in spite of love for it to the needy, the orphan, and the captive,[Saying], "We feed you only for the countenance of Allah. We wish not from you reward or gratitude.
We are also required to set them free after war:
When you have fully overcome the enemy in the battle, then tighten their bonds, but thereafter set them free either by an act of grace or against ransom. Quran 47:4
I can't trust a religion that say they're a religion of peace but have terrorists that also follow these.
Who would? You can tell me the most righteous verses the Quran could say, but if actions show otherwise, how can people say your religion is the religion of peace?
Like I said before, if my words sound like I misguide people, then let the entire Islamic religion's actions properly guide them for other people to see and come to a conclusion about.
And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Quran 8:61
Perhaps Allah will put, between you and those to whom you have been enemies among them, affection. And Allah is competent, and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Quran 60:7
Heck... the Quran even encouraged Muslims to free the slaves in times where Slaves where a very normal and important part of society!
"righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves..." Quran 2:177
And the Quran was written more than 1,400 years ago. When did slavery end in USA? 1865 (152 years ago)
Does this seem like a religion that prioritizes and encourages War and terror for you? or one that prioritizes and encourages peace, love, righteous, and justness?
I didn't say your religion prioritized war and terror. Actions speak louder than words.
all the righteous words in the Quran can't justify what those terrorists under your religion did. Actions speak for themselves.
Anyone can tell other people their religion encourages love peace justness but it takes more than that to prove it and let's face it, growing up around people who are from Islam, they don't follow these.
Ok i just read all what you wrote in replies to me.
I will tell you one thing. Those actions of people who 'follow' religion like you said, are not actually following religion and they are doing exactly what the religion is telling them.
Do not judge religion based on the people. Are you telling me that the KKK represent Christianity? They dont, they were just a bunch of extremists ignorants that showed up and said they were Christians.
In that same manner, those extremists that you see, even us Muslims do not consider them Muslims. How can you say you are a MUSLIM when you are not following what ISLAM tells you to do?
Do not judge religion based on people's action. People will stay people. You are just stereotyping. If a Christian guy steals, does it mean that all christians steal? in the same manner, if a black guy shot someone, does it mean that all black guys are murderers?
In the same manner, if a Muslim guy decided to be a terrorist, does it mean that Islam is terrorism?
Wow. Don't judge religion based on actions? I thought each religion should follow their own teachings?
Christianity has priests that are gay and possibly pedophilic would you say that we over look them because people will stay as people, that I'm stereotyping?
You have Islamic terrorists, I'm not saying everyone is a terrorist under islam but what I'm trying to answer to you is why people don't think Islam is the religion of peace. Gee I wonder why.
All Religion has a set of teachings to follow. If your religion is about religion of peace, why are other people thinking otherwise?
Religion has a set of teachings to follow. Why? People judge based on actions.
If they didn't, anyone even violent people can say they're peaceful and none would be the wiser because people wouldn't judge based on their actions, which is ridiculous because say in the court of law the guilty will say they're innocent. Will the judge just believe that? Would they not look at what they did and judge them based on that?
Listen. I'm not telling you to NOT judge people based on their actions. I'm telling you not to stereotype and not judge their RELIGION based on their actions. those are completely two different things.
Everyone has the right to choose what they do in life... Anonymous. Some choose not to follow their religion and be free in life, and some choose to actually follow. and some others 'pretend' to follow for personal gains. I am a Muslim and decided to follow religion, my brother is a Muslim and he does not follow religion or care about it. My brother's actions does not reflect his religion despite him being a Muslim (he even sometimes goes to the Mosque in social events but it doesn't mean he is truly religious in his heart). On the other hand, i decided to uphold my religion and follow it. Therefore, my actions will give you an idea and reflect on my religion. Now my question is: if you met me and my brother, how will you know which one's actions represents Islam?
No.
You said "Do not judge religion based on the people." You said "do not judge religion based on people's action."
Don't suddenly go on and say that you're NOT telling me to NOT judge people based on their actions. Because you did.
People tend to take things as a whole. To have a bottom line.
How do you expect people to make a judgment if we shouldn't judge them based on the people or by their actions?
Faith? Not everyone has the time to look deeper into people that's why people look at things as a whole.
Your last question: I thought you said don't judge people based on their action or judge religion based on their people? Why are you making me come to a judgment between you and your Brother?
I am saying do not judge RELIGION based on people's action, i'm not saying do not judge PEOPLE based on their actions! If a guy stole, he is a THEIF. it doesn't matter what religion he follows. We are judging the guy based on his action and calling him a Thief. we are not judging his religion whatever it is. Get it now?
to answer your reply on my question: Exactly, that's why i asked you the question. You can't and shouldn't try make a judgement on our religions based on his actions. Because you will never know whether it is me who is truly following the religion or my brother is. You will never know or be able to judge Islam until you understand and know the religion yourself. and Do you know the religion and understand it? Based on what i read from you, you don't. So please, make your own study and proper research about the religion instead of judging it based on people.
If you are going to reply furthermore, please do so in messages. As us posting here can be bothering to others
No. You don't understand. If a lot of priests commit pedophilia, how would people view Christianity? You say as if everyone follows your logic.
PEOPLE WILL VIEW A RELIGION BASED ON PEOPLE'S ACTION ONCE THEY KNOW THEIR RELIGION. you can tell everyone not to judge based on it but they will anyway.
Do you really think people will dig deep into every person and find how's their faith like in a religion? Please. No one has the time. People take things as a whole you understand?
People will not have opinions about christianity, they will just be more wary and suspicious of priests. And those who do take opinion on christianity because of the priests doing then that only shows how unsmart and ignorant those people are. by the way for your info, A
And we Muslims are fighiting against terrorism just so you know and we condemn it. If you switch to any arabic channel youl see tens of advertisements against terrorism and spreading awareness. And... you see what you just said? That is exactly why many people are ignorant and being fools... taking things as a whole and not taking the time to learn and educate themselves. And who said anything about digging into every person, if you have suspicions about a religion, then dig deep into that religion.. Not into the people.
Sorry but this will be my last message. I do not want to drag this further and am not enjoying having to explain things over and over for you. You can think and believe what you want. I just wanted to make it clear to everyone who will be misguided even more by reading your first post and to you with evidences and verses that islam is indeed a religion of peace and merciness and not a religion of war and terror. And those verses you mentioned are only a part of a story in the past like i explained to you before. I even linked you the whole explanation of the story and context incase you were curious to know the story.
My objective is done. And i will unfollow this post to not involve in further meaningless conversations. If you really were itching to tell me something then feel free to message me, Anonymous.
You have a lot of ideals, encouraging people to look into religion instead of the people but trust me not many will.
Misguided? I'll let your religion speak for itself as well as its people who practice it.
Because of people like this
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2536082-how-can-i-get-gf-to-respect-follow-islam
what do you see about it
lol indeed i was thinking of that question too
that guy is mental.
Not defending Islam, but I am almost 100% positive that the OP is a non-Muslim troll. I mean I'm sure there are Muslims that feel this way, but just the way the OP was worded screams troll. Generally speaking, the more airheaded and oblivious the post seems, the more likely it is coming from a troll.
@Deathcore_Rulez_D00d it's not about Islam itself, it's about people like that who are vocal in their views about forcing others to conform to their beliefs. And as my post on his question shows, yes it's a troll. But it's still putting people's fears to a voice on why they need to be wary. For every radical beheading there are a million peaceful Muslims but which one do people remember when they hear "Islam"? Which one do they fear?
It's not fair, but it's why people feel the way they do
Okay my bad I didn't look at the responses.
As a person who lived his whole life among muslims, even befriended some and got hear them speak, read their facebook comments and posts, and ask them even about islam ( the religious ones who know about islam not the young ones who pretend to know) I came to the conclusion (Much like every other non muslim) that islam contradicts itself, in the first part it tells you not to attack, kill or do this or that, but in the next part it tells you its okay to cut the hand of a thief, to kill whoever kills, to attack the enemies of islam and muslims, to occupy lands in the name of islam (and just kill men but not cut trees or attack women adn children) and thats its okay to kill if you're protecting a land that belongs to muslims , not to mention that islam claims that only muslims get to go to heaven and anyone else who is not muslim can't go there... islam lets you marry 4 wives, the propher mohammed married 9 women, had sex with a 12 years old.
you are free to disagree my friend but this is what what muslims repeat, what those who study islam learn and what has been going on for centuries.
I'm atheist and I don't hate Islam at all because I live with a lot of Muslims and they're the nicest people I've ever met. I don't watch news and I don't allow myself to get brainwashed by some biased lies. My judgments are based on what I see everyday and it is the farthest thing possible from what people are fed through the media. There are those extremists that even Muslims can't stand and those are the ones who have completely ruined what Islam is truly about. As long as you don't force your religion and try to talk me into the right path I'm okay with you...
You know nothing about islam, what makes you think you that you know anything or the truth?
as for forcing religion, do you think that any muslims living in america will act like they do back home? no its way too dangerous for them, their views dont change but they stop being so public about the.
@Z-Spark I'm not in America, I'm living in Morocco currently which is home to both my parents and I and last time I checked it's a Muslim country run by Amir Al Mu'minin (Prince of The Believers) Mohammed 6. I know a lot about Islam since my sister IS Muslim, I've read the Quran three times and I even memorized a lot of verses. There's nothing in Quran that calls for pedophilia or violence unless people have misread the verses. Oh and about killing the infidels, prophet says "Lakum dinoukoum wa leya din" Which means "You have your religion and I have mine" Does that mean to kill people who don't believe in Islam? Nope. My father was a Muslim but lost interest in the religion but while he was Muslim he married Mom who was a Jew. That says a lot ya?
no it says nothing you're just one of those young people who think they know what islam is all about, if you're so "educated" then tell answer my questions :
1- are you allowed to cut the hand of a thief?
2- how many wives are you allowed to have?
3- how many wives did mohammed have and how old as the youngest?
4- are muslims allowed to wage war or kill those who occupy their land?
5- Are you allowed to kill someone who committed a murder in islam?
6- when muslims wage wars they are allowed to kill men, but not women or children right or wong?
7- a muslim man is allowed to marry a woman from another religion, but a muslim woman is only allowed to marry a muslim , right or wrong?
8- and this : it clearly states that you should not follow judaisem nor christianity because they are fake religions and followed by infidels (as said by mohammed himself ) وَلَنْ تَرْضَى عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَى وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَ
@dan72 Well news flash, Muslims can be good people and follow Islam. You uneducated white people take shit so literally. If you give anyone power whether its knowledge or money, people can misuse that and say they are doing it for the betterment of this world or society, which is false if the intention is done in an evil way.
The reason why good Muslims, true Muslims with a good heart will follow Islam is that of where we want to go in the after life, heaven, that is for eternity... do you understand? I know as a Muslim that terrorists who act like they represent Islam will burn in hell because YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT AS A MUSLIM, do you understand English I am not speaking Urdu to you, geez.
Your question is exactly what encourages negative feelings.
Religion in itself is (fairly) harmless. People have beliefs and that's cool. Respect others and there is no trouble.
Extremist is the problem. Currently it's Islam, before it's been Christianity, and I'm sure other things if you dig.
Religion isn't the issue. Extremism is.
No religion says "thou shall strap on an explosive vest and denonate around children". You are going against your own religion then.
It's nothing to do with devoutness. It's insanity and extremist.
Should I hop on a horse, conduct a crusade in the name of Jesus and see how many call me "devout"? Oh wait no. It was insane when the Christians did it, it's insane with Islamic do it.
That's the problem. Muslims don't want to take responsibility for the radicalized ones. They completely wash their hands of any wrong-doing and want others to accept their religion as the only truth. I think it also a massive step backwards in society, advocating for the suppression of women.
Exactly.
Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance? then why does the Quran state that a Muslim shouldn't be friends with jews or Christians? why does the Quran state that you should give Christians and jews a choice between converting to Islam, paying the jizya or death?
Islam doesn't tolerate other religions, Islam encourages to kill those who mock the prophet, Islam encourages people to kill kafir. ISLAM IS NOT PEACE.
Islam is a barbaric religion, the prophet raped a child and is a war mongering dirty pedophile.
20-30% of all Muslims are extremist, which translates to 200-300 million Muslims. Islam is the only religion that spawns so many terrorist organizations, because it's the only religion that encourages people TO KILL.
where as the Bible has TOLD certain people in situations back in the day before Christ to do something, Islam TELLS people to do something.
Thank you for commenting the truth 🙏🏼
and are Turkish and arabes are same for u?
what is the main difference for u
how does à greek man look? :)
little tan means light yellow skin?
nah, a little tan. think of a white English person who sits in the sun for a while. not too long, but just the right amount to have a little tan. maybe I shouldn't use an English person as an example, as they tend to burn up and become a lobster within 20 seconds of contact with the sun
what is my skin colour according to u? light yellow isntt
i asked u a simple question, why are u insulting me
Quit asking him an irrelevant question. Are you trying to make him say something that you want him to say? Back off dude, you're the one saying junk and then asking if he's insulting you. Back off.
Because it's vicious and evil. Their book literally says to kill all infidels, and they allow pedophilia.. The question is why is the West so accepting of it? The religion doesn't fit in with Western society.
To the people of the West, quit catering to their beliefs and trying to white Knight a toxic religion. You're only harming us.
You are wrong on so many levels. You know what's odd about your statement, you mention pedophilia, no offense but how many cases have come out where a man who committed pedophilia was a middle aged white man? Many, many, times.
You want to consider the religion toxic, fine go ahead, but that's only because you are ignorant in your own way. You sit there and act as if everyone in the West dances in sing alongs lol. I was born and raised in Canada, I understand the history of why Europe and North America went to war, I have an undergrad in political science from 1 of the best universities, oh and I am Muslim.
You lack knowledge, this is not my life, it's yours, but when your time comes and God asks you and reveals the truth that is not going to feel like stepping into the principal's office, it's God and you're going to answer to the almighty who created this entire universe.
Don't even go there, you're the religion that believes you're gonna get a bunch of virgins one day in the clouds, and have your women dressed up head to toe. Your "prophet" was also a pedophile.
He asked for my opinion and I gave it, so stay salty dude.
We don't crash planes into buildings or follow a religion that says to kill non believers, so you can piss off with what the West does.
Good for you!! You learned some history and you're a muslim! I wonder why, your opinion clashes with mine, guess I'll never know.. Darn..
Pffft okay dude, and keep believing you're getting a crap ton of virgins for following a crazy pedophile. I hope God judges you accordingly.
I know your lacking brains and facts to argue back, so just don't reply at all instead throwing out worthless information about yourself.
@thatguyfromtoronto dont confuse religion with humans, humans are bound to act shitty sometimes but when they do it because their religion tells them to thats when the line is drawn, nothing that christians as you put it have done is actually in the bible they literally pulled it out of their asses, but with islam a lot of the things muslims do actually do exist in islam that is the difference, and if you hate christianity so much and love islam then why not to move to the middle east, pakistan, india, some parts of china or africa? if you're gonna say something at least be brave enough to live by it, dont claim that muslims have the moral high ground when everything you have is thanks to a white christian westerner.
@thatguyfromtoronto you're embarrassing honestly. The only defence you have of Islam is 'but white guys did this...'. Islam is NOT A RACE. You are the racist one pal and Islam is what this question is about, nothing more. Defend your shitty religion without trying to down play it by saying others did bad things. Because yes they did but Islam is on the stand. Not all non-whites.
@Z-Spark At least be brave? Buddy what are you talking about lol. God will reveal the truth to you and to everyone who has ever lived in this world through out time when the Day of Judgment comes then you can ask God.
@Blonde401 Why are you still talking like your opinion matters? Why are you messaging me? Because your confused about the almighty God, that you wonder what is beyond the realm of this world that we live, what happens next? keep talking sweet heart I don't care about your input because you sound close minded as well i am not going to talk to a brick wall who wears a skirt.
@Blonde401 Are you f-ing dumb, you're going at me for saying this is not what Islam is about, keep messaging for all I care, your comments don't mean anything to me, I guess you don't understand the message of stopping messaging me. I know how posts work, it's 1 thing to comment on someone's post, it's another to comment to some one on that particular post, end of story.
@thatguyfromtoronto it's you're a bitch. If you're going to insult me at least do it with correct grammar, otherwise you just embarrass yourself. How do you know I'm a gold digger? Or a whore? Nice to see you completely destroy your own argument by making it ad hominem though 👍 Look that word up, might do you good.
@Blonde401 you're saying things happened 1400 years ago... i bet you lost your virginity in the age of 10... i talk with americans daily.. i've never met one of them who got to 18 when they're virgin and i asked why you like sex so much their answer was " everyone do it" so... admit it you're pedophiles but cause you dont marry its not.. mad mad maaaaaaad world
@Blonde401 seriously the life in america is fucked up you'll see homeless everywhere and everyone there is pregnant under 18 and everyone smoke weed and blunt and its crazy out there.. your country is one of the biggest countries that have aids, divorce and suicidal people and a lot more... so here you were saying shit about muslim when they're against those kind of sickness.. please if you see the thing we're doing wrong then just mind your own business.. dont tell me that what i believe in is wrong when im 19.. dad pays for me when i have college and dont want me to have a boyfriend till im 22 or more... you watch tv so i'm not talking to you anymore
@Blonde401 blah, blah, blah. I didn't even read your 2 essay comments.
You can't read English can you? As I have stated multiple times that I am non relgious. And you, like your friend, cannot have a debate with someone without making it ad hominem and therefore have ruined your own argument completely and shown yourself and your religion in and even worse light. congrats.
You're such a huge pussy you have reported some of my comments LMFAO YOU'RE TRIGGERED ASF
I personally don't hate it exactly because I know a family of really kind Muslims, they are very giving and wonderful people. Even though I'm not really a religious person I try to respect people and what they choose to believe. I'm just not a fan of the violence, and I know it's not all of them that are violent - that was proven to me when I got to know that family- but that has definitely been proven to us as of late. It also is kinda oppressive towards women, or at least that's what I've gotten from things I've read on the subject. But I think it's just the radical ones who are that way... I don't know a whole lot about the religion just what I've seen in my friends and things I've read
Hi there,
There is violence and murder in most monotheistic scriptures, not just in the Muslim bible.
Did you know muslim countries had first women speakers for head of state? 😉
ISIS killed more Muslims than anyone else but Muslims on a whole are targeted for what 98% muslims condemn.
I think if we're more opened minded as people and try to understand others and walk in their shoes to get answers, we could do so easily as humans.
Maybe statistics Would help paint a picture farther. There are over 2 billion Muslim people on Earth (maybe some in space, who knows? 😜)... If they really wanted to kill everyone who isn't, it wouldn't actually prove difficult...
Not one Muslim country has imposed war on western countries right? We've knocked on their front doors on each occasion...
It all comes down to bias and level of education 😊.
I don't mean academic. I mean more out of the box kindred thinking.
I will bake bread and share my meal with anyone so long as their heart is in the right place after all I'm human, the people that look different to me still bleed the same as me when they are cut.
The world is now raising children to discriminate and accept genocide of a certain race and religion of people and political agendas have been doing so throughout history.
This has been seen throughout history repeating itself, but people aren't smart enough to see so unfortunately.
Majority get dumbed down with irrelevant ideals..
tried to keep it light as possible chica 😊👍
Ok 👌
lol apologies again for the mini thesis. Thanks for bearing with it 😉
As an atheist, I like Islam, Christianity, etc.
It's the followers that are idiots causing tension around them plus not to mention the ignorant people who are stuck in their own world and need to get out of their mum's basement AKA need to get out more.
I now live in a country where majority are muslims. Theyve been great to me. Of course there's gonna be assholes but they're everywhere. Dont listen to the media. Take what is good, ignore anything else that's bad.
I sometimes wonder why we can't get along and always gotta find fault in something. Cup half empty thinking mutherfuckers. Fucking whiners.
/rant
All those comments of people misunderstanding the religion so much and posting verses blindly and completely out of context...
Please... just educate yourselves for once and read: www.islamicity.org/.../
The explanation in this site includes all the 'out of context' verses, and explains to you their actual context. And if you do not want to read the explanation of some random site, then go yourself to the Quran. com, and read the verses before and after the verse that you took out of context.
It is enough, you've picked on Muslims enough already. They are Human too you know? and they have feelings.
For me it's not because of violence.
It's because the ummah always imposes supremacist backwards double-standards wherever they grow. Doesn't matter the year or the country they're in.
Kind when weak, oppressive when strong. This is the pattern that the ummah plays out every time. The pattern is strong, consistent, proven, and occurs on an international level.
Just look at the countries where muslims make up either the majority or a growing/significant minority.
All because the majority have let at least some of the personality and teachings of a butt-hurt supremacist two-faced megalomaniac whom they revere as the "Seal of the Prophets" rub off on them.
Every place in the world where Islam followers are with non-Islam followers, there is hate and violence. The track record of Islam is always confrontation and violence. That alone speaks volumes. I've read the Quran, and it states numerous times that it's a Muslims duty to fight and kill infidels. Of course, a Muslim will then respond that I'm reading the wrong Quran, that I should read an 'Arab' Quran, or something like that. It all amounts to hate and Taquia. To me, Islam is deception that comes from satan.
Because of the few guys that distort islam and yet call themselves muslims...
by the way I respect muslims...
But that is the biggest reason I believe.
you're right they try to distract the image of Islam because you respect Islam I advice you to search more bro about it you will like it trust me
15 to 20% of the muslim are extremist/radical 200-300 million ~ that is not a small number its as big as the united states of america.
well... but the other number is bigger no, @TheNotorious?
And yes I have delved a bit in Islam because my boyfriend is muslim so I like to be informed.
But Im Christian @Asker
oh you're moroccan too, like my boyfriend lol
I see :o
dont act like you dont know me and i dont understand your question
I was talking to asker... @TheNotorious
he's moroccan too XD chill!
and i meant the number of non-radicals is bigger than the radicals...
so what? the number of the nazis were Waayyyyyy lower then the number of normal germans. what happend after? the majority was irrelavent! world war 2 broke out and 70 million people died.
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oook... just saying most muslims are peaceful
what about Hiroshima lot of explosions come from other countries
yes but there is still dead penalty for apostasy in 9 muslim countries if you follow islam/quran good you are not good human. And there is no liberal in islam you are either muslim or you are not
@Salmane_Elhardi im in morocco right now lol
@Salmane_Elhardi not in the name of religion muslims say allahu akbar (god is great) before they explode.
wish city
i will not say for my own safety, sorry.
you are lost believe me you'll try to find yourself but you'll can't do you think now you live fin no my friend you are alive cause Allah want to. say allhamdo lillah and come back to your religion you have made a very bad decision.
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It's because of the Muslims who terrorise others for the sake of their religion.
Islam has a long history of it's religion being spread by the sword. Violence and tyranny are two concepts endorsed by many Muslims. While these extremists are a vocal minority, isn't doesn't change the fact many Muslims believe in the radical ideas many extremists are trying to enforce (they don't act on their beliefs however because it's the vocal minority who do act on it).
Many many reasons. Politicians whom generally know next to nothing about islam are generally some of the first to jump at any opportunity to defend it.
Some reasons
- religions are based on their founders and Muhammad wasn't exactly ideal. ..
- he initiated 67 military campaigns during his life
- he personally beheaded people. 500 Jews in one day was his record
- he personally traded and captured slaves along with war booty
- personally he engaged in pedophilia having sex with a 9 year old when he was 50
- islam embraces polygamy with multiple women
- islam cannot live in an advance western civilization very easily. Sharia law is counter to democracy.
I think that Islam moderates are fine people. What scares me is the vocal fringe groups. The ones who use Islam for their own agenda of imposing an authoritarian caphilate. Some statistics don't look good for Islamic majority countries either. I don't think all peolle who follow Islam are bad but I think that those who truly believe in peace love and equality for both men and women, straight and homosexual, Religious or atheist need to reign in their radicals and help them learn to live with those they disagree with.
I'm pretty much against all organised religion. Let the down votes rain. They're all just money making scams. Fair play to Islam though because I know they do donate a lot of money to help the needy. But still, I hate organised religion.
just search more about it you're close to the answers
Money scanning? How so? Islam doesn't have a central authority.
scamming*
No thanks.
And @BoySittingOnTheMoon you're not really educated enough on the topic are you? All religion is about making money. Marking the rich richer and the poor in line.
Tell me an example about Islam on money scamming? Jizyah on non Muslim adult male where they pay taxes? They used Jizyah tax to strengthen the Islamic empire. Tell me some good example where they use Islam for money scamming.
@BoySittingOnTheMoon jizya is a scam for starters. Believe in my religion or pay me money... oh but it's a religion for peace 🙄 The jizya was created so that Islam could gain money or have an excuse to kill people. Give me money or convert. And if you don't I'll take your children away if you can't pay, which is what they did to poor Hindu's and Christians for years.
Foreign aid to Muslim countries, like Egypt is a form of Jizya. Scam. The entire religion is based around getting money. Just like all religions.
Yes, without money their empire would collapse. Money is needed to strengthen the empire, that's what you got to understand. Also they don't steal children if a non Muslim adult male don't pay Jizyah they will go to jail, it same goes with Muslims who don't pay zakat. In fact, there is a Hadith narration where caliph Abu Bakr fought the Muslims who refused to pay zakat which is compulsory in Islam. Yet there is anti Islam websites that says zakat is optional.
In America, if you don't pay your taxes, you will go to jail. Taxes are really important to contribute the country, this same goes with Islamic society.
In the Hadiths
The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “He who harms a person under covenant, or charged him more than he can, I will argue against him on the Day of Judgement.”
You probably rely websites like wikiislam and religion of peace 😂😂
I appreciate your views on Islam BLONDE but your opinion of making rich more richer in Islam is totally wrong. Out of all relegions, Islam is the only one which emphasises on not to keep wealth. Why would a Muslim must donate Zakat every year? If he doesn't, he's a big sinner OR may he won't enter heaven
Now let's talk about Jizya. It's kinda tax I admit it but it's not only the money. May b you know about the history better; when Allah asked Prophet SAW, it wasn't only Jizya but two other choices. First to convert into Islam, Second to pay Jizya OR to teach Muslim children. Now if Islam wanted to collect money, why would Allah give them other two options? It proves this order wasn't only for money
Else you'd know Interest and Bribery is totally prohibited in Islam which are the easiest ways to make a rich even more rich and make a poor poorer. There's no space in heaven for a person who takes interest or bribery. Don't blame any relegion without knowing every vain of it; Thanks
@BoySittingOnTheMoon exactly. The empire. Built on money. Thanks for confirming things for me :) no need to add anything else. You just destroyed your own argument.
@Nomi965 then why are lots of Muslims obscenely rich? Dubai is full of rich Muslims 🤔
And yes. A religion of peace. Either give me your money or convert. If you do neither I'll kill you or take your land, your home, your children. You're so indoctrinated it's embarrassing. Jizya is bribery iteself. Complete and utter bribery.
Haha Dubai? They have land full of gold. They have worked for it and earned this place. What you think they've earned that money by taking jizya or something? lol they have been awarded with land full resources bcz our Prophet SAW was born there. We ask Allah for money and HE gives them, that's it.
And about Jizya; that's what conquers must do. Islam gives them choices first, if they do not obey, Islam should show them it's power. probably a sign for conquering an area. And only we take Jizya if money is needed, it never happens always. Like you see there are thousands of Non Muslims in Muslim countries livingstone happily. They don't even want to leave those countries. Islam has rights for minorities more strict than those for Muslims themselves
@Blonde401 You are missing the point without paying taxes then military, healthcare, infrastructure, etc.) would not be provided. This why Jizyah is used.
Dubai is extremely wealthy because the government is investing all the oil profits in infrastructure, tourism, education, and many other businesses. There's a lot of rich people in Dubai because there is 0% taxes.
Yes, some aspects of Islam is backward in modern society, but you are very misinformed by the many points. Always doubt yourself.
@BoySittingOnTheMoon why should anyone else pay for your religion? Nah son. I'm done arguing with people who've been indoctinated from birth to accept the shit that's constantly poored down your throat. It's embarrassing. Disgusting religion of liars, thrives, murderers, rapists all making money from other people. Absolute joke.
@Nomi965 knock yourself out. Carry on wasting time and energy on something that doesn't exist and enjoy being disappointed when you realise you've been indoctrinated your whole life. Hell is living a life where you believe the nonsense you're told to keep you in line. But thanks for conceding because you clearly have zero to say that can defend such an abhorrent religion 👌
I wasn't indoctrinated. My family never brought up a topic about Islam and teach me about it. I self taught myself and have better knowledge than the rest of my family. I understand your perspective but you're so bitter you just need to chill out. Just make sure you don't sit on our Qur'an out of anger 😂
@BoySittingOnTheMoon then you're more foolish than you think. Bitter? No son. Woke. If you want to call me bitter go ahead. Bitter about the murders, the rapes, the thefts, the indoctrination done by your religion and others? Yes I am. The earth will never be happy with shit like religion on it to ruin people's lives.
After 9/11, people became scared which has led to ignorance and people believe that all Muslims are terrorist. It's like one bad apple can spoil the bunch. Which is not fair to the Muslim because not all of them are evil. Just like when a white person shoots up a place, we don't say on they are terrorist or bad people, we say they were mentally ill. Truth is they are terrorist on a domestic level.
I'm sorry but no religion is one of peace and tolerance. I think the very basis of every big modern religion is intolerance. But that being said, I don't think Christians have the right to judge Islam as a violent religion when, you know, History.
''I'm sorry but no religion is one of peace and tolerance'' Buddhism? Hinduism? your logic is the equivalent to saying atheists also have no right to judge violent religions due to atheistic communism which has killed more than any religion in the time span of a century.
@imbored2252 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror
Your comparison is just stupid sorry. A lot of violence is committed with no religious purpose but that doesn't mean this is 'atheist' violence as atheism is not an organization with dogmas/strict beliefs as religions are. Nobody kills in the name of atheism, which cannot be said about any existing religion.
my comparison isn't stupid at all considering Buddhism or Hinduism doesn't have official teachings. there are even atheist Buddhists and atheists hinduists. This alone contradicts your entire logic of what you just said and is basically, the end of your pointless rants. before you call something stupid, learn the meaning behind the words you search up
and by the way, if you knew the slightest bit of histroy, you would know that stalin killed 20+ million people by executing religious leaders, people of faith, killing people who tried to protect people of faith, burning churches, burning books, and religious statues and replacing all religious info with atheist information ant anti religion
and what makes stalin any different than the so called religious people? specifically, with the examples I gave which by the way, have no strict teachings and are a free religion. with your logic, where does it stop? we can pretty much start lumping any group and just say ''they are violent because this radical did that'' stalin does not represent an atheist so why should bad apples of religion represent the rest? or is it different, because he does not follow religion? that makes no sense. like I said before, atheists also have no right to judge, because of stalin
@imbored2252 religions are a system of dogmas centralized on the figure of one or more gods, so hinduism and buddhism are still religions regardless of how many different ways of practicing them exist. According to your logic Christianism isn't a religion either. If some atheists see buddhism/hinduism as a philosophy rather than a religion good for them, but at the end of the day they're still religions for me and for the overwhelming majority of their followers.
@imbored2252 and I don't know where in my reply you read that Stalin didn't do any of the things you mentioned, I just said that you can't affirm that was done in the name of atheism and I stand by that. Nothing can be done in the name of atheism as the whole point of atheism is that it's not an organized cult, aka religion.
''hinduism and buddhism are still religions regardless of how many different ways of practicing them exist''
again, thats not true. the fact that you have to lie to keep your point alive is just said. there are plenty of atheists whoa re buddhists and hinduists and they are accepted because its a free religion. There is NO official teaching, so it is not mandatory of worship. Its that simple
''According to your logic Christianism isn't a religion either.''
that made no sense.
and no, buddhists who are atheists dont see it as a philosophy. a lot of them follow the full practices but dont believe in a deity. That is the definition of FREE religion. there is no official teaching, therefor people can have unorthodox views
''and I don't know where in my reply you read that Stalin didn't do any of the things you mentioned,''
stalin is an example of someone who pushed atheistic beliefs against religious people. yes, it is an actual belief to be an atheist, oppress religious people and kill them while destroying their culture. you are not exempt from that for simply being an atheist. your imaginary high horse won't work here
@imbored2252 it makes sense because only the fact that there are no official teachings doesn't mean it's not a religion anymore. When you say that you're just plainly ignoring a lot of important and homogeneous aspects of both buddhism and hinduism just so you can prove your point. They're still belief systems that serve the exact same purpose of other belief systems like christianism, judaism and islamism.
@imbored2252 holy shit hahahahah fine!!! Seeing that this is the 3rd time I'm explaining the same thing to you I'm just gonna go ahead and admit that you're right, I'm wrong and a liar.
again, you clearly dont know the meaning behind Buddhism and Hinduism. why are atheists allowed to follow this religion? does it rely on faith? yes, does it have to be a deity? no, have you ever heard of the phrase the ''body is a temple'' whats important is that they find their path or whats called ''nirvana'' which is acknowledged to be different for everyone else. THAT is the main teaching, not what you are spewing. The fact that you have to go to far lengths to twist and lie about a religion that is well established with 1+ billion people is just sad. Even when speaking on chakras there is some scientific outlook on it which has to do with the glands in your body. Others take a materialist approach others take a spiritual approach. its bad to talk on something that you haven't read up on
you are explaining twisted logic, you an repeat it a forth time, it still does not make your imaginary high horse real
I hate to cite Wikipedia but it saves me a job: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
@Blonde401 you are late and that point was already addressed. it seems like everywhere I go people cannot reason and analyze things. Im muting this. Have fun talking to yourself
I'll go with @imbored2252 . Hindu isn't a religion also I'm Hindu atheist. I'm pasting a para from same article linked by @HonestGirlAlways
Until the nineteenth century, the word “Hindu” had no specific religious meaning and simply referred to the people who lived east of the Indus River, whatever their beliefs. (The Indian Supreme Court itself has held that “no precise meaning can be ascribed to the terms ‘Hindu’ and ‘Hinduism.’”) It was only when the census introduced by the British colonial authorities in 1871 included Hindu as a religious designation that many Indians began to think of themselves and their country as Hindu.
I don't hate the Islamic religion. What I dislike is that many Muslims told me that my beliefs are wrong (I'm Christian) and some try to convert you to Islam. Shouldn't all religions be tolerant?
Welcome to Gag Town.
Thanks to ISIS, who have put a Sour ball and All, many Here, dear, and Others Out There with a Care... Have a Distrust for Muslims and their Islamic Religion.
One bad apple can spoil the whole Bunch with a Crunch.
Good Luck. xx
Because they don't believe in freedom of religion. Many Christians in the Middle East can't have religious freedom because in Islam it's a sin to adore someone who is not Mohammad, and to kill anyone who doesn't believe in him. There's no other religion in my book that states that you have to get rid of someone or kill themselves just for someone else and their views.
no its not.. who do that is called terrorist..
like i said... they are not muslims they are not even relatedto islam they are just TERRORIST !
@iDeathLord they are muslim terrorist every thing they dp is in the name of their god. Even back during the cursades before the second crusades which is the most well known asbhaving the knights templar and stuff like that the nuslims attacked first causing Christians to retaliate.
As for mercy peace abd tolerance. They hate gays and are known for murdering them. There holy book straight up says to kill any infidels (or convert and enslave) women have very little rights etc.
With that said not every muslim is bad but to lie and say the purpose of there religion is peace (they spread peace becauae they beilive peace can only come from there religion) or that terrorist have nothing to do with islam is complete bull. Terrorist murder in the name of there religion thats a fact. That doesn't mean they represent all muslims nut they are still thenselves muslims. Just really fundamental muslims.
Wow. Muslims are not terrorists. Yes, the Qur'an does say to kill non believers, but people of the time had a habit of exaggerating. Just look at the literal translation of the bible! Please people learn your facts before saying racist things like that. ISIS isn't even slightly Muslim. They just use "religion" to justify their actions.
[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion. Righteousness is now distinct from error. He who disbelieves in the idol and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest tie that will never break. Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
... for example, go back in time when the Islam and the Muslims ruled in Andalosia, when Europe was drowning in the dark ages; many Christians moved to Andalosia to learn , educate, live.. Islam is a religion of coexistence and peace.
... your sources are not true. Christians communities practise their rreligion freely and they are protected by the law. I'am from northern Africa and I witnessed on that...
Most are good people. Society takes the actions of a very small minority and use that to represent to entire religion. Even though they don't do that with Christianity, which was responsible for the Holocaust (6 million people killed), Christian Crusades (1-3 million people killed), and the wars around the world between Catholics and Protestants.
I'm Christian, and I can acknowledge that this history exists. No terrorist attack has killed anywhere close to a million people. My best friend is Muslim, and she faces prejudice every day, because people like to pick and choose which parts of history they acknowledge. Why? Because humans are happier when they have someone to hate. It's sick. But that's human nature.
The holocaust had absolutely zero religious background.
Hitler viewed the church as a way of spreading antisemitism. Most Nazis were Christian, and even if their leader wasn't, he used the religion to his advantage. If you want a more direct connection, then how about Warren Jeffs?
like this kind of press?
www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../WWMD.aspx
Or do you mean the fact that Islam is responsible for more death than WW1, WW2, The Holocaust, The American Civil war, The Crusades, The salem Witch trials, Stalin and Mao ALL combined?
Or do you mean the bad press of being responsible for the biggest Holocaust in the history of the world? the Muslim Holocaust of the Hindus
or do you mean the bad press from 31 194 deadly terror attacks since 9/11
Or maybe your talking about the bad press from being responsible for the two biggest slave trades in the history of the world, The Barbarie slave trade and the North African slave trade?
That's not the point. There are plenty of passages in the Bible as well which encourage violence. But the point was not to compare the two. My point is that both religions have been responsible for a large number of deaths. But that doesn't mean that the entire religion is bad. It says something about the people who actually do those things. People who are violent by nature and use one religion or another to justify it. They could find justification from in most religions. But they don't represent all other people who practice that religion.
Your first assertion is incorrect. The majority of Germans didn't kill Jews but a minority of Nazis killed over 20 million people in 6 years. White people were enslaved by Arabs but you don't hear BLM preaching about that. by the way Christians never blew themselves and other people up to get to heaven, either. How can you compare the two? I also don't know how Christianity had anything to do with the Holocaust. If you have any links for that info that would be great because I know that I don't know everything!
My point was that the majority of Nazis were Christian. Not that the majority of Christians were Nazis. That would obviously be false. But if you want a source that verifies that most Nazis were Christian, here:
www.google.com/.../
But my whole point was that, just like the terrorist attacks, the violence was performed by a very small percentage of the religion, and therefore does not represent the religion as a whole.
And as for Black Lives Matter, it is a movement centered in America. That's why they don't talk about white people being enslaved. It didn't happen here.
And if you think that all terrorist attacks are caused by Islam, then read this, which claims that for ten out of the past fifteen years, far right extremists have caused more fatalities than Islam.
I'm posting the link in the next comment because it doesn't fit here.
www.google.com/.../...-clear-danger-to-us-all.html
And as for passages in the Bible that encourage violence, here you are.
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...rst-Bible-passages.html
And this.
www.npr.org/.../story.php?storyId=124494788
First off, we don't "think" it is the religion of violence and murder, we know that it is. Everywhere Islam goes, there is conflict with other religious groups. Africa, Middle East, India, Southeast Asia, Kashmir, etc. There is only one source of this problem, and that is Islam and it's teachings. Founded by a ruthless pedophile merchant warlord who behaved in typical 7th century fashion. He gouged out the eyes of the Qurayza tribe for their treasure, and this is the religion of peace? It's only peace if you submit to Islamic Imams like a good bitch and obey. Fuck Islam, we see what it has done to Europe and to the rest of the world. It is the embodiment of the dark ages, wrapped up in one stupid, ignorant ideology. Fuck the Quran, Fuck the Hadiths, Fuck your Imams, fuck your fake ass prophet, and fuck everyone stupid enough to follow it.
The four centuries that my Orthodox people endured under the oppressive yoke of the Ottoman Empire is a good start. I will never stop hating the religion that sexually enslaved our women into the harems and has caused our near extinction across the Middle East. Though I will say, learning about how the Middle East was likewise subjugated by the Ottoman Turks has lessened my hatred. Seeing how Arabs also hated the Ottoman Turks and even worked with Lawrence of Arabia to bring them down has caused me to realize that not all Muslims are bad people.
I believe that the most of the hatred (or dislike) is caused by ignorance. People don't know anything about the religion, but rather the radical Islams themselves and as a result assume that is how the religion itself is. Many religions have to deal with this, though, not just Islam, but Islam seems to get more because of the fact that the radicals of said religion are such a concern here. But yeah, I believe it's simply because of ignorance and false teaching from people who do not understand it as a religion.
I think people don't like Islam because it's one of the few actively try converting people, other being Jehovah witnesses for instance. Islam is the only religion which people has been trying to convert me more than 4 times in, making it the most active. At least, in my personal opinion as a french guy.
Occidental civilisations are more and more atheist, following the years. There is still some christians communities, but they are either old, either inactive.
We don't hear about them, only casually on politics debate. (Which they shouldn't be asked about, by the way)
Thus Islam is getting a lot of media attention in the occident, and it's just amplifying this little bit of hate people have for strangers.
good speech thanks for your opinion.
Two of my older brothers are Muslims and after I get to know Islam through their point of view, it is one of misunderstanding religions that get false facts from Hollywood, novels and in news the same way they did with Wicca. It is not the religion that is violent, only the people are violent
Suicide bombing, beheadings, women's oppression, they wear bed sheets, their prophet is a pedophile, need I say more?
What about Timothy McVeigh? the white man started WW1, WW2 and potentially WW3 down the road. Evil Christians performed female genitalia mutilation. You are merely looking at a span from 2001-to present right? What about all the terrorist acts, bombings, killings, rapes, murders and more committed by non-Muslims? Are you going to say anything about that?
It's sad that you have zero faith in God and narrow a religion right down to the core that it's bad because you don't understand the true meaning of Islam. It's not hard, be a good person, follow Islam the right way by not being righteous. End of the day, we are all going to be judged by God on the Day of the Judgement and God will ask you why did you have a warped sense of mind towards Muslims/Islam? That's not my life to figure out, that's yours.
@thatguyfromtoronto Humans have evolved to become less barbaric. We acknowledge that which is lethal to society's well-being and refrain from such act as much as possible. Rape, public executions and female oppression is still a norm in the Muslim society.
You want me to just say, oh dang diggity, umpteen years ago humanity was like this so I dunno marry a 12 year old and enslave blacks if you want. Muslims are barbaric and backward.
Even the Arabic side of my family is insane and they don't even know their culture. They just know they have Syrian in them, they want to eff their kids, treat the women bad and control everyone's lifestyle, act neurotic and claim they are more righteous than everyone else. Mmmmm I wonder what could be the reason behind their nature. I told my dad days ago that when I see him in the streets I'm beating his ass. No I wasn't molested but they hate me cause they couldn't. He's a black man and looks like bin Laden, fuck outter her with that bull
You're pinpointing Islam/Muslims into 1 negative category, fine if you want to hold onto this hatred go ahead, it's not my life.
@Raz_at Actually I'm watching Dr. Strange on Netflix, drinking a cup of green tea, you don't know me so if you want to keep running your mouth like you know it all then go ahead but I will go deeper and say with that type of attitude you won't be truly happy with any guy who is or comes into your life.
As WWE hall-of-famer Mick Foley once said, Have a Nice Day :-)
I feel sorry for you with your racist, misinformed views, you don't even understand religion, you don't even understand God's message why are you talking as if you are some Harvard Med professor who teaches religion, your a random chick on GAG.
@thatguyfromtoronto I'm not racist I'm sexy, learn to spell properly.
How stupid can you be? Do you know the United States created ISIS, Al-Qaeda & etc with Saudi Arabia? Do you know that Bush, U. S gov't was behind 9/11? Do you know that Saudi Arabia the same country that does weapons deals with the U. S does things like kill more Muslims every year than any other group of people, how come you don't mention that?
And by the way, Aisha the prophet's wife was actually 18 or 19... Go read a book and especially back then or even later during the medieval times, white men who were kings would marry women as young as 12... White men back, how you don't talk about that? You wanna know why Aisha was 18 or 19 when she got married to the prophet, because when Aisha's sister had passed away around the age of 28 or 29 she was 10 years older then her sister Aisha during that marriage.
Why is it that the U. S has a goal to bomb countries like Syria, Afghanistan & more, then spends $1.4 trillion on a war in 2002 which led to a recession, know ur facts before talking
There are ignorant people who hate all Muslims. Then there are the majority of those who take issue with Islam who really just have a problem with Sharia Law. If you support Sharia law, then that's a problem. If you don't support Sharia law, then you're on board with the rest of those that take issue with Islam.
Islam in the middle East isn't merely a religion, but a political ideology. That's what makes it uniquely different from other religions.
Well a lot of them tend to be very radical and extreme within their views. A lot of people fail to realize that there is a horrible side to Islam as well. I've seen these people and not all of them are nice and accepting of other cultures. I guess it's too politically incorrect to say that though. The truth is that a lot of Islamic culture absolutely advocates violence and hates America. They aren't to be considered the most peaceful of people.
people hate Islamic religion because there are places where Islam leaders are also political leaders, people hate Christian Inquisition and crusades too, and they were done by Christian leaders with political power. religion should never ever mix with politics and whatever religion mixes with politics will have terrible consequences and will therefore be hated by people
Because you muslims believe in things that don't exist.
And aren't right.
And are abusive and insane and trying to take us back to the medieval.
Islam is cancer and medieval.
We don't need it to make the world better.
True.
At this moment I think every religion is bullshit, not only islam. But Islam sounds more strict and religious obvs.
Didn't mean to sound rude earlier but you are way too young to probably understand this. Islam is a religion of peace and thus a property of God, just like any other major religion. You have the wrong perception because some a**holes decide to f**k everything up. You want to know? Study the Qur'an.
That'll tell you all you need to know
My friends are muslims.
No.
Two main reasons:
ISIS and women are considered less
Firstly in history Islam is the only who gives the women her rights & take her higher cause he gives her "alhijab" & this "hijab" lot of people consider it like a prison on women, do you think women now in us or uk or Canada... are free to do what to they want? like take any Dress. the Primitive Man wa naked & now we see in oir world that we come back to this habit (come back to Underdevelopment) Islamic woman take "hijab" cause it gives her Respect & Make it More Stronger. this is just one of thousends exemple why islam take some rights & we not calling it rights in Islam it's just an Excessive freedom.
It's not. It advocates for murder. It puts the onus of deciding whether others live or die in the hands of individuals. It's literally endorsement for murder.
Islam is no religion of peace. It's a geopolitical engine of jihad.
No one is basing their information of the news... it's from real life experiences with real people
In it's purest form, sure... it's not so bad... but today mosques and imams push bullshit on the people... false ideologies that are not true
I man asks people to donate money in a box for the people in need... what does he do? He takes a portion for himself
islam is the only one who hasn't modify the rools & curan since it's beginning.
The quran isn't the issue. It's the culture and how it has changed
It's how immans and mosques push their own versions of what they think is right. It's how sunnis fight shia because one believes in ali and the other belives in muhammed
Its all nonsense control for power and money. You will rarely find true muslims practicing for peace
so they are not muslims anymore
Education has been a church monopoly for more than 1000 years.
It still is , when reading some schoolbooks we used. Christian churches hated heretics.
then there were wars with Ottomans too.
There was also the oil shock which impoverished us during the 7ties (Reagan's excuse)
then there were wars by the US against Muslim countries.
thanks for your helpful informations. tell me what you think about it.
I don't hate their religion. Some versions of it are as retarded as the OT.
But ever since humans got down from their monkey trees, all wars were fought for economic reasons: greed and power. Religion or nationalism are only propaganda TOOLS.
https://i.imgur.com/hEEfXPx.jpg
"All we see on the Internet are lies they try to distort the image of this religion with terrorism and violence." Are you claiming that Muslims are not responsible for the terrorist attacks for which they are blamed?
the majority of religions have been built on violence and in some ways have perpetuated violence. despite claiming to preach peace.
The foundations of Islam is far from peaceful not was the Umayyad, Abbasid regimes that followed. it was only Charles Martel the grandfather of Charlemagne that managed to prevent the Islamic empire from taking all of Europe. this created a motive of revenge like the Greeks and the persians.
however despite the war and conflict the Islamic culture gave us many benefits and is responsible for helping the west recover what they had lost from antiquity. as well as preserving many histories. mathematics and science were also key features in Islamic learning. Islam is still young compared to other religions it is going through its period of tribulations and hopefully the right side prevails and it can focus on peace.
@mr_mxy
"Muslims" were the cause of 1zt and 2nd world war. Hitler was a "Muslim". People who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "Muslims". People who destroyed Babri Mosque (India) were "Muslims". etc.
2. you're saying Muslims are against gays. yes. Aren't most of the Westerners? If you doubt that go watch Philadelphia, Dallas buyers Club etc. And even now in the western world most people think it gross.
3. You have no proof that Muslims are terrorists other then their Slogan before a terrorist attack is "Allah u Akbar" or their names. So what if a person of religion whatsoever changes his name to say "James" and before killing someone shouts "Jesus be praised" would that make whole Christianity terrorist? No certainty not.
And I admit a FEW MUSLIMS do hate other religions not because of some personal grudge against you but illiteracy. Most Muslims believe in whatever their elders tell them they never question why. Thats why they "hate" religions.
Try and read next time i never said all muslims ate bad. But ignoreing thete obvious issues is stupid.
Yes msny christains are against gays that doesn't mean they would murder you just because of who you fuck at least far less than muslims would.
Terroist are muslims but not all muslims are terrorist. You act like its somehow bad to acknowledge a bad group of people following a certain beilief and yet MANY librals hold things that happened hundreds of years ago against people in this country. White men have to hear about slavery everyday. Or christians about the crusades (which were out of defense btw)
Like i said i am NOT claiming all muslims are bad just because a few assholes exists. If i judged everyone like that than there would be no good people on this planet. But muslims have a violent past and present that doesn't mean following the religion makes you bad.
Mainly because they don't understand it. Off course if doesn't help that's lots off people seem to be committing horrific crimes and claiming it to be in the name off Islam and I'm sure their is a connection somewhere but if you understood Islam (and I don't I have Muslim friends who do) then you would be able to make an informed decision for yourself :)
P. S.. I think all religions are crazy.
Having a strong faith in God and being a good person is not crazy because believing in God is accepting a religion (i. e: Islam, Christianity).
@thatguyfromtoronto First off I said I think its crazy, what you choose to believe is indeed up to you. I can respect other peoples beliefs, its just crazy to me.
Some time ago i had discusion about it, and at the end guy who was defending islam wasn't able to answer simple questions, islam isn't religion of peace, its invasive religion. Due to my believes in pagan gods, im leser than human in islam, and i studied islam at university as part of asia studies. won't say Christianity is better, but at least it has left blody past behind. Im open to discussion if you want, but then i want hard facts not feelings.
I consider most religions to be evil based on my own belief since to my free will is one of the highest regards to these spirits. Since islam forces there beliefs upon others and forces people to pray to a god i find it to have more in common with worshipping then free will and spiritual growth. To me god has no desire since i consider desire to be the root of all evil. Therefore being forced to worship is only something a devil would enjoy in my eyes.
To answer all the other commenters, islam has nothing to do with terrorism. It is the escapegoat used to make you feel unsafe. As long as you feel unsafe you will be for surveillance and your ok with your freedom being taken away. Its all a giant hoax with the cause not being your religion but your own governament.
Okay my opinion... my opinion needs some proof, desperate proof to prove that all this violence and kill yourself in a Jihad bullshiit is just fake... which we both know isn't a bullshit thing we can just overlook. hit me up on a person to person message and I'd love to wonder through the bullshit with you.. Otherwise.. You do see what the trucks of peace mean right?
One of the most common beliefs in that Islam is aggressive, is because in the Koran/Qu'ran it says to kill those who try to leave the faith. Another one is that the Middle East has the prodominant religion of Islam and since the beginning of the Crusades the "west" saw them as barbaric. Then with the rise of the Ottoman Empire there came the "Barbary Slave Trade" which enslaved white "slavic" people's from Europe, the slave trade lasted longer than the White enslavement of the Black peoples. The slave trade also really brought along the idea of Sex slavery where it became very popular to buy white children, and women and to rape them until they died.
it's the extremist side of Islam the many westerners see. honestly the violent extremist sides of any group are pretty bad, and disliked.
I find the Islamic extremists just as bad as the kkk or the neo nazis. I want to see more done to surpress these groups as they are dangerous to democracy.
The extreme abuses of Sharia Law, that is infiltrating our soil,, Some believe that anybody who doesn't embrace Islam, they would be considered infidels.
Plus, those that embrace Islam in the work place will stop the production of factories, effecting profits and efficiency several times a day to kneel toward Mecca. If employers are smart, they would make that their break and lunch.
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