Not just paying it lip service.
Do you actually live your life trying to emulate Christ's example in the way you behave and how you treat others, etc? I think so few do.
I've always wanted to live that way... but never really have.
According to a survey, most adults believe Jesus was God1. However, whether or not to believe in Jesus is a personal decision. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He came to earth to save humanity from sin. To believe in Christ is to commit our lives by faith to Christ—to trust Him personally as our Lord and Savior2.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZEWGyyLiqY4 Well, given Blake's personal life, not sure he REALLY believes in Jesus.
What an INCREDIBLY arrogant thing to say! "Most adults"? How so if 4 in 5 people aren't even Christian!!! Pride is a deadly sin no? False witness a commandment? Go atone to your invisible man!
u Yes, I do believe in and love Him.
Yes, I do live my life in accordance with His commands and what His Church teaches. However, I, as other Christians will say, am far from perfect. I commit sins, but I quickly repent, go to Confession, and avoid sinful actions and situations to the best I'm able.
Do you do that to avoid eternal damnation?
@DrPepper12 that's part of it.
But if he loves you why would he punish you?
Because there is no love without justice. Sin means to miss the mark. The mark we are aiming for is communion/relationship with God. Nobody chooses him of our own volition. The Bible says we are his enemies. It’s by his grace that we choose him. It’s a completely selfless way of living and by nature we are selfish. So we have all wronged him (missed the mark of communion with him, living life for self and not our creator). In a court of law when you wrong someone you must pay for your wrongdoing. Jesus is God in human form and his blood was the only acceptable payment for God’s justice since Jesus was perfect. True Christians believe we have done wrong and we sorrowfully admit so. When we are saved we are given the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us and God views us through Him (the Holy Spirit is also considered a person). So it’s not our flesh that He loves but the Holy Spirit in us.
I suggest you read the book of Romans.
@DrPepper12 would you want to spend time with someone you don't love?
@lmkimcurious yes but who GAVE you that original sin that he now holds YOU responsible for?
Why would an omniscient and omnipotent being createva flawed (sinful) creation just to encourage worship and gratitude?
The tripartite nature of God was voted upon at the council of nicaea. A Congregation of men.
I have read Romans and every other book admitted and denied to the KJ. version as well as Arian, essennene and gnostic texts. I'm no stranger to Christian literature.
No I would want to spend time with something real and not a neolithic application.
@DrPepper12 In a weird sort of way, I'm kind of glad you phrased it like that. Okay then, would you think it loving if that person forced you to spend that time with them?
I understand your frustration. I’ve had the same. God didn’t make Adam and Eve inherently sinful. But I can accept the fact that he made perfect beings that fell from perfection and then reproduced. I don’t like it (because why would you make humans knowing that would happen?) but I can accept that it happened.
I’m still learning the creeds/other texts. There’s so much.
What made me believe is the codes that Chuck Missler went over in his teachings. There’s no way they could have been deliberately written by humans. It had to have been from outside of time
That's called hostage taking or kidnapping. that comes after the stalking stage
@lmkimcurious agree to disagree. But ty for erudite n pleasant convo!
@DrPepper12 It wasn't flawed when God created it. God said it was very good. Unfortunately, someone who hated God decided to mess it up and then every human since was born with a sin nature. To spend eternity with God you must be perfect as he is. He can not be around sin. So you can spend eternity with Him, or without him.
@Daniela1982 are you blaming Adam m eve saying they hated God? I wouldn't want to spend a second with a selfish prick who could have helped alleviate my suffering on earth but chose to watch like some sick voyeur who gets off on sadism. No TY
@DrPepper12 No, it was Satan who hated God and to get back he messed up God's creation by getting Adam and Eve to sin.
@Daniela1982 but if God is all powerful why doesn't he just vanquish his arch enemy Satan and call it a day? Why did he permit satan to mess with his human toy box? You keep giving faith answers and NO logic. None.
@DrPepper12 You are talking about the Creator. The vessel does not ask the potter why they were made. I think everyone asks that question but the answer was not given to us. I suppose God didn't want robots. He wanted people to love him because they wanted to. The only way to see that is if he gave them free will to do as they want to. Some just choose to hate God, maybe because of their miserable lives they lead.
@Daniela1982 "He wanted people to love him" yet threatens them with eternal damnation if they don't. Please look up sociopathic narcissist in the dictionary. Your figment of imagination ticks all the boxes.
Yes I do and I try my best but I do fall into temptation but I don’t let that stop me from going back to him
*or her or a form not understandable by humans
Or more likely it's me. I'm God. Refute it
I believe in Jesus and try my best to live as he would as far as how I treat people.
Except you chose your kids over your husband 😉
Only in life or death situations. Wouldn't you?
I choose both, like i said, i can't picture myself living with one of them missing, i want them all!
They are me, my family!
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No. I don't believe in Jesus and it would be reprehensible if anyone tried to actually live by his teachings. He told slaves to obey their masters. Which both clearly endorses slavery and advises slaves not to try to rise up against their captors and fight for their freedom.
No I actually try to treat people with decency so I actively avoid following what Jesus said
@Siri137 annnnd Paul was a massager for the word of God so...
@Siri137 and you have the authority to say this because? What criteria do you use to determine which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't? other than whatever is convenient for you.
This isn't an argument from authority, but one from the position of having actually examined what little evidence there is for the existence of St. Paul, i. e. his letters in the New Testament. His views do not agree with the views expressed by Christ within the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. It's that simple.
Read St Augustine's apologias and City of God. He expounds further on this.
Do I believe someone called Jesus lived, Yes.
Was he Jewish, Yes,
Was he killed by Romans, Yes.
Did someone think , 'I know, people hate Jews, let's start up something new that nobody hates..' Yes.
That's what I believe happened anyway!
Everyone’s relationship with the Creator is personal. Everyone’s life journey, different.
So, for one, the hallmark of a true disciple of Christ isn’t to judge others. To say “so few” emulate christs example automatically implies you have a concept of what that’s “supposed” to look like. Christ spent his life ministry teaching people not to do that.
Jesus created you?
I believe he definitely existed but the rest can not be proven. There are several theories about him just like all the biblical stories, one is that he was married and his disciples were his kids with similar names to the disciples.
Another theory is that he was gay.
Which Jesus?
Or is it this Jesus?
As a Prophet of God, yes. As a Prophet of God who had his share of miracles by God's permission, yes. As one of the major Prophets of God, yes. But not as a "son" of God or as a God. Not in that man made construst.
That's ok. They voted him to be divine in 325 at the council of nicaea.
faith is a decision in thoughts, the whole question is false. each segment false.
How would you reword the question?
Yes and "trying to"? Yes! Everyone sins, but that doesn't mean we are supposed do to it willingly. Try to stop on purpose for the right reason.
I tried to in the past but never could truly believe because I didn't feel anything.
Which Jesus? The White American one, which didn't exist?
Yes the Lord Jesus Christ I believe in. I try the best that I can, but nobody’s perfect to live everything perfectly right
If there's anyone i believe in him, it's Jesus Christ, i'm not perfect and never will be, but i try my best to always become a better version of myself...
I believe there once was a guy named Jesus but surely not everything happened as described in the bible
What I believe
Another document voted on by committee of mortal men for political reasons and social control. I'm not impressed.
@DrPepper12 sigh. The whole reason I believe that was to impress you. Now what?
I believe Jesus actually existed. I'm not trying to become him. I am trying to improve myself as a person, which is an ongoing project.
The historical person, yes. The literal son of God. Not sure he even believed that.
I believe in him.
I live by an example I want my children to follow but I am a sinner.
And who gave you this sin? The same sociopathic narcissist you pray to for redemption? THINK logically for a nanosecond and you will see the problem!!!
Yes, I believe in Jesus.
No, I don't, not even slightly.
I mean, that’s the battle isn’t it?
Yes.
My response was more to the description of the question than the question itself. The question isn’t so much about belief in Jesus as much as believing what he said to the point that it changes one’s actions. It’s about following through as a Christian. There’s a lot of people that claim to be Christians but show no fruit.
No. I dont have a religion
I try but I don’t always succeed
Not at all. Completely mythical.
Absolutely not
I am a shit Christian but I believe, yes.
Yeah I really do
Why? Just why?
No. I'm Jewish lol
Jews don't believe in jesus and he's not talked about in the Torah at all.
I have. Many times, in fact. It's not about jesus. The suffering servant talked about is Israel. Israel is constantly referred to as a servant throughout Isaiah. Are you sure YOU'VE read Isaiah?
It was a prophecy of the future. Give Isaiah 53 to anyone who has never read it, but read the new testament, sounds like the story of Jesus, to the letter.
Jesus was despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows, he was despised, and his own people rejected him,
Jesus was put on the cross, he was oppressed and afflicted, brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
Jesus was put to death by his own people,
Isaiah is the prophecy of Jesus.
@sean1234 You're incorrect. @WintersDaughter is correct.
Yeah, no. Give Isaiah to anyone who hasn't read it and have them read it all, they'd never come to that conclusion.
You do realize that you have to read more than just Isaiah 53... right? Read Isaiah 52, 51, 54...
Isaiah 53, the fourth of four Servant Songs, is umbilically connected to its preceding chapters. The “servant” in each of the three previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the nation of Israel.
Isaiah 41:8-9 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.”"
Isaiah 44:1 "But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!"
Isaiah 49:3 "And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”"
It's very VERY clearly stated that the servant in question is Israel multiple times. Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism, he isn't in the Torah at all.
Babe, Isaiah is one long scroll. The chapters put in are there to help, but it doesn't change how it's meant to be read.
There's nothing in 53 that shows your god.
Go ahead and give me a quote from 53 that shows that.
So you can't quote it 💀.
We've already established that Isaiah isn't talking about a Messiah.
You have to understand that 53 is a direct continuation of 52. In chapter 52:13, a prophet is speaking. They don't stop until 54. In 52 - 54, the prophet is referring to the gentile nations who have tormented and inflicted pain and suffering on the Jewish people.
Try again.
Isaiah 53:2-3
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Who wrote this?
-Isaiah
Who is talking here as if one were giving a lecture in a Jewish synagogue back then?
-Isaiah
Let me put it another way
Isaiah 53:2-3
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when us jews shall see him, there is no beauty that jews should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and the Jewish people hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and us jews esteemed him not.
Good job showing you can't back up your claims with a quote and that you don't know what Isaiah 53 is talking about 😂.
Let's take a look at how Isaiah 53 is in the Torah.
53:2: For he has grown, by God’s favor, like a tree crown, Like a tree trunk out of arid ground. He had no form or beauty, that we should look at him: No charm, that we should find him pleasing.
53:3: He (Israel) was despised, shunned by others, A man (Israel) of suffering, familiar with disease (Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12.) As one who hid his face from us,
He was despised, we held him of no account.
Again, if you actually read Isaiah and understand it, it's very obvious that it's talking about Israel.
Dude. It literally says in Isaiah that the suffering servant is Israel 🤦♀️
I literally quoted it for you in a previous comment. Go back and read it, then admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
I believe in him
That's why you're a good girl miss laly
You're welcome 🙂
I'm God. Refute it.
Nope
No...
Yes, I do 🙏
WHY? It's 2024!!! Put away the silly toys and join the modern era.
No 😂
He's a bastard literally!
Yes I do.
What about Santa Claus in the Easter Bunny?
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