Mark 3:21. Rather Awkward for Christians, is it Not?

[Rachelspiks]

Interesting. Very interesting indeed.

There is other evidence within the New Testament (especially the Gospel of John) that the Christ character was simply insane, but this specific quote is the most damning, in my view.

Checkmate Christians! It's game over!

No, I can't accept this, because I still want to "believe".

It's awkward and embarrassing, but in the grand scheme of things not that important.

Other. Reasons for my view given below.

[InspecturGajit]

You're stupid for two reasons. First and foremost you quoted the bible. That's full of hypocrisies and lies. You're also stupid because you took this quote totally out of contexts. When they wrote the shitty bible they were literally throwing rocks and goat shit at each other. You're also stupid because you think that the bible preaches feminism. It Doesn't. It was written by goat hearder men that expected their women to be tending the children all day and also better have dinner on the table after I get back from the rice field.

[Rachelspiks]

What? I've never believed that the Bible "preaches feminism". What on Earth are you going on about here? Are you drunk again?

[Mango-man]

Your conclusion is flawed because you based it on line that essentially says "Someone arrived and said something".

It is like if someone arrives at your house and says that your house belongs to them. Does them saying something immediately make it the proof of their ownership of your house?

[loves2learn]

Sorry what is the question? Lol. I am not following.

[Rachelspiks]

Mark 3:21 in the New Testament states:
"When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind"".
The person this passage is speaking of is Jesus of Nazareth. It basically says that he was crazy.

[loves2learn]

He was probably drunk lol

[loves2learn]

Thank you for the mho :)

[TheSimonymous]

So the Old Testament literally predicts a Messiah who will be a Jew, born in Bethlehem, whose birth will be marked by a star, which ends up in him living in Egypt in his childhood and youth to avoid the upcoming massacre of Bethlehem, who takes burdens and sins by the people on himself, dies on the cross and gets resurrcted, but obviously the way other humans thought of him is far more important than what God thought of him, saying not once but twice that Jesus of Nazareth is his beloved son on whom we should listen to? It's not the first time in Biblical history that a man of God is labeled as "crazy" by people around him. Now imagine: Your soon-to-be father-in-law comes up at you and says that the town you live in will be completely destroyed forever and never rebuilt, even though it's sunny and nice outside and there are really no signs of a potential crisis at all. Would you believe him?

[Rachelspiks]

The Old Testament doesn't predict any of that. If it does, then point out precisely where.

[TheSimonymous]

"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (Genesis 49:10)
"But thou, Beth-lehem Eph´-ratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth." (Micah 5:2-4)
"I shall see him, but not now; I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth." (Numbers 24:17)
"WHEN Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." (Hosea 11:1)
"Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ra´-mah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not." (Jeremiah 31:15)

[Rachelspiks]

The first one, Genesis 49:10, predicts the alleged messiah how exactly? The "sceptre" had departed from Judah long before the first century, when Palestine was under Roman occupation. None of these predict what you think it does.

[Phoenix98]

Wow you took a small verse completely out of context, and tried to twist around it's meaning, congratulations.

Do you know why they were saying he was out of his mind? It's because of the 12 men he had gathered into a house to appoint as the twelve apostles one of them was Judas Iscariot the man who betrayed him. And his people were saying he was out of his mind for bringing him there and appointing as one of the 12 considering what he did to him.

So no the quote isn't damming you just twisted it and took it out of context without actually knowing what it was talking about in the first place.

[Pterodon]

He was being accused and his Christ family said that to the crowds that gathered for his security and got Jesus to safety. Nice try. This scenario still happens to this very day. Someone controversial gains attention and some want to murder them

[Pterodon]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy

[Rachelspiks]

And your evidence for this perspective is... where? Why should I believe this? The context doesn't do what you claim it does here, so nice try ;)

[Pterodon]

It does before the verse

[Rachelspiks]

18 Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot 19 and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. - Mark 3:18 to 20
Are you sure? I don't see it.

[Rachelspiks]

Why did you mention 'Hispanic-Cool-Guy'? I may have blocked him, so I'll unblock.

[Pterodon]

Because he in some cases knows the Bible better than me and yes you choose not to see it

[Rachelspiks]

Choose not to see what? What are you talking about?

[Dargil]

Nope. It's like being a Republican attending the Democrat Convention with your Democrat family members; I have two). They will think I am nuts. That's what happens when you go against the grain. Jesus DID. His family didn't get it. Yet. They soon would.

[PuNishant]

It's a statement made by his family.
Doesn't mean he was really delusional.
by the way there must be some translation issues 😂
Those who write such text don't do such mistakes

[Rachelspiks]

Oh, of course. "Translation issues". Wouldn't his family know him better than anyone else?

[PuNishant]

Wrong.
Family are blind by love. Take the example of Buddha. His family want him to remain king who would have thought he will become a enlighten one.

[strateguy632]

people make mistakes

[snackthatsmilesback]

I don't see the issue?

[Rachelspiks]

It's evidence he was delusional, but okay.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Oh. Cause his family said that? I thought they were saying it like an expression. "He let all those people come inside to hear him teach? He's crazy!" Yknow?

[Rachelspiks]

No, that's not the impression I get from reading that passage.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Okay. Hang on my wife's gonna look it up in the greek real quick, maybe that will help make the tone clearer.

[snackthatsmilesback]

So it was serious, but was probably more about the situation than Jesus himself. The word usually means astonished and such.

So they probably meant something more like "he's been overrun! Let's go get him out of that crowd" than "he's delusional! Let's go hide him from the public"

We could be wrong though. She will ask her greek professor on Monday.

[BCRanger10]

I don't follow.

[Rachelspiks]

See my answer to 'Loves2Learn'.