It seems there's only ONE thing that each gender cannot do.
Men (with penises, not FTM) cannot have a period or give birth to a baby.
Women (with vaginas, not MTF), cannot pee comfortably outside.
That's due to basic biology. Even then though, there's a Chinese/Japanese (I forget) invention made for women to pee outside standing up. It's called the GoGirl.
Now this is not going to be a very long mytake but I will say this:
Double standards, sexism, feminism, menism, misogynism, misandry-ism, patriarchy BS, and any other damn thing about the equality of genders that you could list till you're blue in the face....
IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
All of it.
Besides those 2 SIMPLE, BIOLOGICAL exceptions I stated above, men and women can do the same damn shit.
Wearing make up? Being feminine in any way?
Being manly? Doing anything considered "manly" or "only for men"?
Being a stay-at-home father?
Being a mother AND the bread-winner?
Women can be 6'1 and still be amazing. Women can have a flat chest and still look amazing. Men can be 5'3 and still be amazing.
Women can be loud, have muscles, be outgoing, spontaneous, feisty and still be womanly. Women can still wear men's clothing or not wear make up and still be amazing.
Men can be shy, "weak", small, quiet, nerdy, a cross-dresser. Anything.
I don't see how this concept is so difficult for men and women alike to understand.
Men and women are just as shitty, men and women are just as amazing.
Just because a woman does not conform to the role of "feminine", or a man does not conform to a role of "masculine", that means nothing.
We should all let each other just...do our own damn thing as long as it harms no-one in the process.
"I think people who get stuck up on the specific details are really stuck on something else. Yes, a 6'2 man will never fit through a tiny crawl space like a petite woman can. But even then there are many exceptions. Yes, the average woman can't bench press 200 lbs, but neither can the average man. The spirit of the MyTake and this type of thinking is roughly "We aren't as different as people make us out to be. And those old, rigid gender roles are actually irrelevant because most tasks can be done by both men and women" - @Vishna
Men Can Do What Women Can Do, Women Can Do What Men Can Do
I think people who get stuck up on the specific details are really stuck on something else. Yes, a 6'2 man will never fit through a tiny crawl space like a petite woman can. But even then there are many exceptions. Yes, the average woman can't bench press 200 lbs, but neither can the average man XD
The spirit of the MyTake and this type of thinking is roughly "We aren't as different as people make us out to be. And those old, rigid gender roles are actually irrelevant because most tasks can be done by both men and women"
Actually no. The fact is men and women are completely different on the biological level. For instance being soldiers, yes women can be soldiers, however they are provably less effective. Men have thicker skin (25% more collagen) denser body mass (higher percentage of muscle) and denser bone structure, not to mention a bone structure of the face specificly evolved to handle blunt trauma (ie getting punched in the face and or mouth). They have fewer pain receptors then women allowing them to handle physical pain to a greater extent then women and if research is to be believed it would seem that they are also more mentally resilient to trauma ( more women have, supposedly, PTSD then men despite men being the victims of violence (80% of the time) and being more likely to be forced into combat settings ( over 80% of the military is male). We are physically stronger then women which is why the standards for female soldiers are lower then that of male soldiers, we have a more stable body chemistry which also makes us more resilient towards chemicals/poisons and more stable emotional state. We do not menstrate which in turn has adverse affects on womens ability to focus and function in the capacity of a soldier. Women who attempt to do the same physical requirments as males end up actually suffering sever damage to their bodies (as attested by female soldiers who have actually undergone the same training). Then you have other differences like the brain where male brains are 8-10% larger then a womans have a greater percentage of gray matter (women have significantly more amount of white matter which is why they think women may have greater social intelligence) and men seem to be able to compartamentalize themselves creating a better focus on a singular task. They also have better hand eye cordination while women have a better sense of smell and hearing. Disease is also different both in suseptability and severity for instance while women are more likely to develop osteoporosis (due to higher amounts of pregesterone) and thyroid issues men actually suffer worse when sick due to testosterones tendency to supress the immune system (current research suggests though its still to early to say with absolute certainty) and are more likely to develop cancer (and autism).
The fact is geneticly men and women have a 97% genetic similarity while people of the same gender have a 99% similarity. The difference between humans and chimpanzees. So no, we cannot do the same things nor are we the same. Is their some cross over? Of course, can women do a lot of what men can and men women? Yes. Are we built to be able to function in an androgenous capacity having no aptituted for any particular tasks? No. We are built to function in a certain way and traditional roles are simply encouragment from society to focus on what we are biologicly predisposed for. So the real issue isn't that women can do everything a man can (they can't) or a man being able to do anything a woman can (they can't) its why men and women being different is seen as being bad, especially in a society that professes to embrace differences in people. Why is it that we fear how different men and women truly are?
I don't believe that we fear the differences between genders, but we fear how society uses them to determine a person's "value". Humans have long used physical and emotional differences to slot people into different levels of value. There's a nearly infinite library of examples throughout history. Gender has been one of these traits used to determine how valuable people are, and sadly still is. Just look at radical Sharia law.
Additionally, while traditional roles certainly do play to at least part of what each gender naturally tends towards (men as providers/protectors, women as mothers/caregivers), they do not cover the vast variation present within each sex. There are many women who favor being the provider, and there are men who feel the need to nurture. Everyone has some strength regardless of gender, and traditional roles do no always play to these strengths. It leaves the impression that someone who is not strongly representative of their gender roles is "less valuable".
Well I'm not reading all of this as it is WAY too long, but so far it's very negative and yea I KNOW there are NATURAL differences between the two, it's biology. BUT that doesn't mean men and women are limited in doing X Y or Z.
@PrincessofNohr Well if where going to claim that we would have to point out that in this game of using gender to give people value women have in fact benefited monumentally from it as men have always been and continue to be the disposable sex. Sharia law is an outdated law system which has made a resurgence only because of the extreme impoverishedness (and the corruption of the political elite) of the middle east. In fact prior to their economic collapse (and the meddling of the west) they where actually as lenient and progressive as the west (if not more so) and in fact if we look at sharia law it actually hurts men to a greater degree but because of our view of men being disposable we completely ignore the negative impact it has on men (the negatives that women face are actually due to their privledge ie being provided for and protected at the expense of men). As for men being nurturers, they always have been the idea that they are not is a very new one.
@PrincessofNohr which started during industrialization where men no longer worked from home but rather had to leave the home to get work, this inturn pulled them from the home and away from children then more recently the modern portrayel of men as being brutish and unsympathetic has lead to a further removal of him from the family and his nurturing role. So again, we do have differences and understanding those differences and why they exist will make things better, not worse. We are in fact worse off now then before because no one wishes to acknowledge the differences of gender and by removing masculinity and twisting feminitity we are able to believe these ideas of the other gender simply because we no longer understand each other.
If you didn't read it how can you say its negative? Try reading it, its not long less then four thousand words actually. Its not negative because at no point did I disparage or insult any one or anything, well accept for the notion that we are the same which even a cursory glance can show you that this is not the case. What I provided was facts about our differences. Claiming that we are the same is basicly a person being afraid of being different and I find that absurd. We do what we are best adapted to. Men tend towards certain roles and women tend towards others, their is nothing wrong with that. And as for being upset about having to do x, y, and z, well as a woman you have, through out history, have had greater leniancy for doing what you wanted then men have as men would be killed for deviating from the masculine role. However your idea of what that role is is so twisted (not you personaly but society in general) that your fighting against something that never actually existed.
I'm well aware of the history of the Middle East and the rise of extremism. It was not intended to point out that women have it better than men, simply an example that illustrates that gender is a factor that society has historically used to assign value. Also, I am using "nurturing" in the sense of domestic family duties - not a traditionally masculine trait.
i read the first paragraph, it was a basis of negativity. and well while i agree there are natural differences, i just dont see why it should be a limitation on doing what you wish
No it was listing that their are distinct differences and that it was foolish to think that their are not, to assume that they don't matter or affect anything from what we can do to what we want to do. How was it negative? I merely pointed out what differences their where specificly because you had a part pointing out women as soldiers and I was merely refuting that.
@PrincessofNohr Of course gender is a factor, we are different we gravitate to different things and do different things so why would we not factor that in? The fact is men function differently then women, instead of saying men can be nurturing, we should be acknowledgin that men are and always have been nurturing they simply do it differently then women. Their is nothing wrong with it and in fact their is a lot right with it. Its the homogenization of gender that is the issue, we want every one to act the same (and as has been proven by soceity, that way is that they want women to act like women and men, and that they want men to stop acting like men and acting more like women). Men and women are different, embrace this fact realize that you fill a nitch others cannot, don't claim that we should all be the same because we cannot be and quite frankly should not be the same.
@PrincessofNohr I mean do you not see the irony in this? We as a society state how we celebrate diversity all the while trying to stamp it out. We claim to want to "free" women and we shame anything that is feminine, but only so long as women do it. The only part we don't do is treat men well, in fact we actively try to eradicate masculinity (ironic since society literally cannot exist without it). Theirs a reason why all the dangerous, laboreous, and disgusting jobs are done by men (police, fire, military, construction, oil rig workers, waste managment, mining, etc. all of which are 80% male (or more, and the women who are in those industries are actually part of managment ie the white collar part of those jobs not exposed to the unpleasentries that the men are)) it is our differences that allow for this, men are far more likely to prioritize earning over all else to be that providor. If they stop, our infrastructure collapses.
In fact there are greater differences found in member of the same sex than members of different sex. your data is based on extreme states of being not sexes.
also people who have violent tendencies are not handling ptsd 'better'. men experience high violence by men not women. this is how these men are dealing with their stress. bc its supposed to be 'manly., culturally.. this is dangerous for men and women. '
@Azara Well that is completely incorrect. We know that their is insane differences between the genders, this is hard science plus basic observation: https://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask38 www.cam.ac.uk/.../males-and-females-differ-in-specific-brain-structures www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0149763413003011 As for violence, men are more likely to be violent towards other men but women are actually more likely to be violent towards men then men are to women as has been shown by studies done by the CDC NCVS and various third party groups: www.saveservices.org/.../ So saying it has to do with machoism has no bearing on the violence women commit and the fact that it is only directed at other men would suggest that its less about machoism and more about biological predisposition.
@Azara Also by extention it would mean that while it would be dangerous for men it would not be a source of significant risk for women. Also PTSD is rarely the source of violence: www.ptsd.va.gov/.../...ch_on_ptsd_and_violence.asp Its not PSTD that causes violence but many other factors that happen to occur along side it. Also I have no idea what your reffering to with your comment about coping with PTSD, I was merely pointing out that women seem to be diagnosed with PTSD more frequently then men (supposedly). As for our differences, that is not in question, at least not by any hard science or the casual observation of the individual. Not only with everything I have pointed out ie
@Azara biochemical differences composition differences structural differences neurological differences and genetic differences but also in the amount of neotenous biological traits each gender has (women have more, hence them recieving a greater level of sympathy, men have less hence them being viewed as impervious and capable) which also informs social interaction thus again biology informs society and its interactions and perceptions of the genders (this is why we constantly view women as victims and benign while we view men as always having power and being dangerous despite claiming we are equals).
women are diagnosed bc men dont get help. bc there's a cultural taboo against it. also there isn't help available for vets. they get turned out so its not documented.
the point is there is no instinct or tendency we are supposedly born with that trumps actual experience and use. there is no ch thing as a woman being x or a man being why bc too many external factors play a role in who we come to be.
I agree people are different. i dont have a problem with that. saying women are this way and men are this way is ignoring the fact human beings are all unique. we all have different ways of doing things. that is not a justification for trying to farm people to certain arenas. which is basically how the sex differences appear. what can and should you do based on what you are. not who you aim to be. its whats called propaganda. the thing people are so against when talking about communism or how women are treated anywhere else in the world. but completely oblivious or in denial to it from the united states.
the op never said were thew same. she said don't let peoples voracious need to ascribe everything and everyone to cliches crush your goals.
@Azara We are all different that is true, it is also true that men and women are different from each other and gravitate to different things. Just because I am different from other males doesn't not in any way shape or form diminish the fact that I have many masculine characteristics ie characteristics that are distincly male that is to say that they are most commonly found in men. Claiming that since every one is different and therefore no one is the same is simply illogical. We have plenty of tendencies that are gender specific well documented even in infants. We even have the horrible experiment done on a man where as an infant he had forced sexual ressignment surgery due to a botched circumcision and was raised as a female his entire life. He believed he was transgender until he found out the truth that he had always been male, this along with transgenderism in general is evidence that what we deem as masculine and feminine is biological in origin not social, at least not
@Azara all of it is (it would seem the majority is biological). As for womens treatment the fact is we know with absolute certainty that women are treated significantly better then men around the world with few, if any cultures being an exception.
Hm, just noticed you're an editor here... I agree to an extent. While both sexes CAN do everything it doesn't mean they will excell at it. Zootopia (a new disney movie that came out) is an example of this (in my eyes). A bunny CAN be a police officer but when faced against a polar bear can't do much compared to another polar bear or an elephant or even a giraffe or a wolf. Same here. A woman CAN be a miner or a soldier but they may be a liability because of their weight or height or body type or whatever. They probably will have to work harder than the others (just like the bunny in zootopia) to get the expected results, but still, you may see my point. Its usually a small difference, up to 20% ish I would say, but there is one. Same goes for men who are psychiatrists or any other job position that requires you to see the emotional state of the people around you. Women pick up much better than that so they are irrevokably a better fit for the job.
Everyone should pursue their dreams but they should know the differences...
And yes I only discussed things when it comes to professions and economy. I have a feeling the rest is either resolved or about to be in the next few years by society anyways... Well, that is if we don't count Saudi Arabia, China, rural parts of some countries and the majority of Africa (?)... But you get the idea.
True in most cases... but some things that are sexually dimorphic, which most men are capable of doing, but most women aren't capable of doing, and vice versa.
For instance, men have higher brute strength than women with almost no overlap. As in, most of the *weakest* men have more brute strength than 99% of the *strongest* women. https://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=5382
It doesn't make women inferior. Monkeys have more brute strength than humans but that doesn't make monkeys superior to humans.
Plus, the entire reason men developed higher brute strength was because men were so violent during their evolutionary history. Women didn't develop the same capacity to be brutally murderous as men; what's wrong with that?
People keep trying to deny differences in brute strength between men and women, and this does nothing but harm women. Men DO need to know that they have to go easier on women than for other men; in more than 95% of cases, an individual man is stronger than an individual woman.
And this denial in differences in brute strength is going to end up with being drafted into combat, which isn't "equality"; it's an entirely unequal situation, because most women aren't built for that sort of thing, but most men are. Sure there may be a few women here and there who can do it, but there are also many women out there who have facial hair; yet it's still mainly a sexual dimorphic trait present mainly in males and rarely in females.
weakest men are stronger than strongest women, that sounds very suspicious. and how can it be proven. 99% of 1 % doesn't mean much. there's no way to gather enough data.
not all or most people join the army so few women out of biliions again isn't enough info... anyways why glorify war.
i think the point was we can all do these things. doesn't mean we do them the same way. but enough with all the cultural efforts at sexual segregation.
Brute strength, in this sense, is basically like facial hair. Almost all men have more facial hair, and brute strength, than almost all women.
There's nothing wrong with that. Exactly, why glorify war? The entire reason that men have more brute strength is because men have been so warlike and violent throughout their evolutionary history. Women should be *proud* that we didn't have to resort to that during our evolutionary history.
The whole denial that women have less brute strength than men is very harmful to women. It starts the idea that men hitting women isn't any worse than a woman hitting a man - of course, it's bad for women to hit men too, but a man hitting a woman is worse.
@Azara This "women are just as strong as men" idea will end up with women being drafted into combat. & Men aren't going to be willing to protect us & do things for us that require brute strength, because we're "just as capable of doing it ourselves", which most of us aren't.
I know that I'm not capable of doing the same things requiring brute strength as a man. There was a kid in my high school class who seemed really weak, but in my gym class, when I had to hold up pads for him to punch against, I was SO surprised at the amount of force, he had to go REALLY soft on me.
Sure, some women have as much brute strength as men. But it's important to acknowledge that most of us do not.
well im against ware so thats a whole other subject. but women have been fighting in wars around the world.
anyhow i did not say women are just as or men are just as. i just said treating people as a predetermined beings is damaging., this zeal to prove and insist what a person is before they have space to be a person is dangerous. that kinds of black and white thinking leads to extermination. it also makes us blind. prejudice blocks thinking.
i dont think there's any problem in accepting that people are different and patterns may show a tendency to particular or different differences. the damage is asserting these differences as fixed rule. there's no way any person is stronger or weaker than all people. a 6 ft 3 large boned women with greater level of androgens compared to a 5 ft 3 man with higher level of estrogen... is still a woman and a man.
i also think there should not be a draft. a country should not go to war without the support of its members.
i dont think forcing anyone to kill or be killed or maimed is a good thing regardless of sex. esp since war is mostly about power not humanitarian effort.
in event war IS necessary you can have separate armies. women armies and men armies... reduces threat of rape as well.
@Azara A woman army probably wouldn't fare well against armies with men in them. Perhaps a woman army might fare fine against another woman army, but our enemies probably won't cooperate with us in order to arrange that.
saying a person CAN do something is not the same as saying a person can do something exactly the same as everyone else. but people get caught up in wanting to direct activity of others according to their personal -which is actually social- or prejudice. it stunts development and growth and , most people end up living way short of their potential. and society loses the benefit of the strength of its members in their element.
its like having the pressure of transgender but not actually having any desire to change sex. the freedom to just be who you are as you are. there's not a thing that happens without a person being reduced to their sex race constantly.
even with this post people shoot back how we are different. yes we are, so we can be different. but why the need to dictate what that is? it will reveal itself in time. meanwhile everyone has different strengths. not women and men but people. so why not keep an open mind and let them discover it.
i dont see the point in micromanaging behavior with pseudo science that changes from week to week.
anyhow were moving towards technology. most guys are sitting behind computers and can't bench press their own weight. if were not careful well all become cyborgs.
i think its also important to periodically call bullshit on repeated dogmas. if we can't at least imagine things different to how they are we can't really say we understand how they are. that becomes a security blanket not science.
remember when it was common knowledge women could not study bc their ovaries could not handle the stress. or we had to wear girdles bc our organs would get too cold and flop about without the heat and structure of a girdle. that was considered hard science. ;)
I do appreciate your going to the trouble of the links. I just took this post as dealing with being true to who you are in spite of prejudice. not a claim that were all the same. there's really no such thing as men as a group and women as a group except for reproduction. bc we are too vastly different from one another to be the 'same' even if the 'same' sex.
@Azara "remember when it was common knowledge women could not study bc their ovaries could not handle the stress. or we had to wear girdles bc our organs would get too cold and flop about without the heat and structure of a girdle. that was considered hard science."
They didn't conduct any reputable studies about that, though. It was all conjecture. Numerous reputable studies have been done regarding brute strength in men versus women and they all come to the same result.
"The entire reason men developed higher brute strength was because men were so violent during their evolutionary history."
The world was violent and so men had to be as well. If you weren't strong enough you got eaten by the bigger animal. Thats how nature works. Its not necessary for just a tiny bit of time in the grand scheme of things. Whats a few hundred hours in comparision to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution?
Additionally there are a lot more differences. Men and women have biological strengths and while every individual is different, it still holds true to the majority of people. And there is literally nothing wrong about admitting and accepting that.
Thank you for bringing up sexual diphormism. It's not a myth, it's a scientific thing. Some species find evolutionary advantages to distinguishing sexes. Some have not. There are many species that are hermaphrodite. We aren't. To pretend we are for "politically correct" or "empowerment" reasons means just avoiding reality.
I disagree about your statement "Men developed higher strength because they were violent". The world was violent. Nature was cruel. And evolution favored dimorphism to give half the specie a lot of brute strength, as that was what survived in the ecosystem.
You don't become more of something because you are more of something, evolutionary wise. You stay more of something because you survive more.
Part of your thinking is putting the cart before the horse. Things are the way they are because it's what allows us to survive, not because we push it. Historically speaking.
If only big font made things like distinct genetic trait differences in males and females, including rates of mental illness, genius and retardation, genuine social differences and communicative differences in males and females, and/or non-sociological realities being a myth like a female of average ability fighting a male of average ability and being less likely to win.
You see, that's the funny part, it all works out when we put everyone at uneven ground but a pro football player for males and females are just totally different critters. Same with runners. Actually the whole Olympics. It's not just "convenient sexism and intolerance!" that fuels the fact either.
I want big font so I can just type, "YOU'RE WRONG AND GREATLY OVERSIMPLIFYING SHIT LIKE A TEENAGE WRITER IS WANT TO DO" (because you are) since it would be more fitting.
After all you're failing to even understand the entire basis of sociology. For instance the fact that you're a teenage girl will actually make people like this post more believe it or not. There's nothing you can do about it either. You're likely to be judged far less harshly by your peers for your behavior too based both on your age and your sex.
If you were me saying this, as old and as male, people would be like "Yeah, yeah..."
To think life is more complex than the nuanced bold font of a little girl who had a dream of false equality.
@FallOutBoy2001 Exactly. And he thinks I'd read his rude comment and not reply lol i read like 2 sentences and just gave up. Im gonna block him cause im not dealing with this shit
Yay :D me like. It was short and simple and to the point, and not too drenched in the political jargon a discussion of gender usually comes with. Thank you for stripping away all the political fluff! Even the biological things that you mentioned that distinguish men and women may become irrelevant as technology allows us to breed babies in an incubator asexually (which I don't feel comfortable with but it's no less true). By the next 100 or few 100 years, gender may become totally 100% irrelevant (which kinda scares me, but I'll be dead).
I do agree to some extend but some but we must not forget than men and women and scientifically different and learn how to appreciate those differences, if we were exactly the same... how boring and uninteresting would that be?
ok some girls can do what men can do and vise verse but the thing is for a girl bodybuilder, there are much more guys who're better at it and those women look like males they modify their bodies they take males hormones and so on
Women CANOT pee standing up without this weird tool, therefore they cannot really do it
A male being feminine? Ok, yes they can wear tons of makeup but 1st of all they will still look like males coz they're DIFFERENT and secondly by definition it's not manly so they try to acquire the shapes of a women using artificial stuff
To me it's generalisation and it's only true only few times and in a certain complicated way
media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif I mean... I agree to an extent It's true that men and women are different, physically, mentally and biologically. And it's important to appreciate the differences and not say men and women are the same.
I have a lot to add to this topic but I'll just say I appreciate your efforts in making this take. You're obviously not going to please everyone.
You cannot use the Character Malcolm Reynolds to say that when the creator Joss Whedon is a VERY outspoken feminist and all of his works have feminist themes
Both can DO most things, but that doesn't mean they will be able to do them proficiently, or think the same way. The psychological-biological differences matter a ton. They also add distinction and healthy variety to the human experience. Just because I can wear makeup like a girl, doesn't mean I should. Nor would I want to.
Deuteronomy 22:5 wasn't written because men are "incapable" of fitting into a dress, it was written because there are men who will do it for the sole purpose of strangling 8-year-olds in bathroom stalls at Target, and creating an anything-goes culture that pretends gender differences in the brain and body don't matter, emboldens these sickos.
Wow... Just wow. " The psychological-biological differences matter a ton." ... Um no they don't. I study science (biologi, chemistry, physics etc etc). I'm a pretty hardcore biologist and chemist and I know for a fact that they don't. Stop using your butt to philosophize. And both genders can do most things proficiently exept for cis men to give birth and have periods and for cis women to stand and pee. Even though the cis women standing and peeing can be solved by making speciallized toilets -__-
@Applepie97: Every time I see the expression "cis," it tells me I'm dealing with an arrogant materialist who loves perversion. Knowing a lot about how chemicals work, yet nothing about how the brains of genders are wired differently, and nothing about *why* anything works, or to what point or purpose. And no concern for who could get hurt by willfully pretending it doesn't matter.
Also, you're 18. Fresh out of high screwl. Don't try to flatter me with your pretentiousness, little one.
Being able to do a thing, doesn't mean you were MEANT to. Otherwise, when gender benders occur... where does the AWKWARDNESS come from? Even in groups that have bare minimal exposure to western customs to inform this behavior, men and women get UNCOMFORTABLE imitating the other gender, unless they make EFFORT to SUPPRESS that.
It's INNATE, NOT LEARNED. All men feel some awkwardness performing Shania Twain or Deana Carter songs, and commercials often exploit this.
Fyi, the GoGirl is as American as apple pie. It was invented/patented by a doctor in one of the fly-over states (Minnesota, I wanna say?)
Ironically, East Asia is the one place where there would be no call for such an invention, because, throughout Japan and China, traditional squat toilets are still in wide use. A Japanese or Chinese woman on a hiking trail would think nothing of digging out a small depression in the ground, squatting over it, and letting 'er rip as per tradition. (:
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But... hell yeah, I thought I knew what "sexy" was, until the first time I saw my shirtless husband holding our firstborn son. Holllllly shit girl.
*Contrast* is the thing that is important here, really.
I mean that in 2 kinds of ways. Let's take, for example, the much-maligned trait of "sensitivity" or "being emotional" in a man.
2 kinds of contrast:
* It means more if he's emotional about SOME specific things -- his wife, his children, etc -- while mostly being pretty stoic about everything else. If he's an overly maudlin mess about *everything*, that just cheapens it, and also makes him seem less reliable in times of need.
* It means more if he shows it with ME (and sometimes the kids) -- but NOT with random people.
I hold women to the same standard, too, but this seems to be much more of a hot-button topic in regards to guys.
Same contrast thing is at work with just about any of these traits. Wouldn't want TOO much of... well, anything.
Bullshit. Lug eighty pound bags of concrete all day. Heft one hundred and fifty pound creosote railroad ties around with your bare hands, and lift them into trucks. Do it all day. Shovel fifteen tons of dirt and rock with a transfer shovel for eight hours a day.
How about wielding an eighty pound jack hammer and tenaciously drilling deep under a home's foundation to shore it up again? I special physical training, but to do even half of these things for half the time I do every day, would take an extraordinary woman who has trained to exhaustion every day f her life. She'd look like a hulk, like a man, and would be nearly totally unappealing, physically. Deep down, she would regret her life decision to be more masculine.
People who say say men and women are equal are deluding themselves. We are different for a reason. Embrace the differences or embrace the lunacy. The choice is yours.
My family moved a lot when I was growing up. We literally never stayed in a single place longer than a year or two. In that time, I've had to load a lot of boxes and heavy furniture into moving trucks. That said, find me one woman who can lift boxes as heavy as I can. Hint: you can't. That is not to say that there female bodybuilders out there, but they are few and far in between, whereas normalcy is determined by the majority. The truth is that the majority of women are not as strong as men are therefore any notion of 'equality' is frankly bull. They are equal ontologically in their self worth as human, but physically they are not the same and never will be.
Their are things that women can only do and men can only do, make-up is one of them unless you a male in Kpop. Their is a harm in it especially to women, women who do work that is for men tend to be more stressed and more problems. Women who now work in fields that for men now complain that the work is hard that women should get special pay, and or get payed leave when ever they want. Or get paid leave like maternity leave with out heaving a child.
Women are feminine and men are masculine, their is a masculine just for men and a feminine just for women, and then their is masculine and feminine roles and traits for both.
Also things that are manly or only for men you need to meet requirements that most women can not meet
Not all men were created with the same potential... a 5'3" guy with spectacles can never be a fighter pilot... Similarly, men, women and everything in between usually have unique skills and potentials which have a lot to do with their physique and intellect. Very few women have the upper body strength to be in the military. Very few men can be stay at home husbands, or primary school teachers, because the average male physique and psyche is built for tougher more physically demanding jobs. If a woman meets the standards to enter the profession of her choice, she's earned her place. But it would be a terrible mistake to slacken the standards just for the sake of gender diversity.
1. I read your user name as "Bukake" and was very frightened for a moment 2. Well the 5'3 guy was an example and you can't say "very few women/men" because you dont know all women or men to judge based off of.
Men on average are bigger than women and have more upper body strength. Women have better social skills, better dexterity of hands and higher pain threshholds than men. As a result, there will always be more male construction workers than female and there will always be more female primary school teachers and childminders than male. It's not a big deal. Every profession has standards to live up to... P. S. I know my user name is difficult to pronounce but I'm astonished as how you came up with 'bukake'
To be fair... If a woman/ man meets all the standards of her chosen profession... He/she should not be disbarred just because of his/her gender. I'll look bukake up on urban dictionary... It's a sex thing, I think
. If a woman meets the standards to enter the profession of her choice, she's earned her place. But it would be a terrible mistake to slacken the standards just for the sake of gender diversity.
This is your view of gender differences. making sure women don't bring down the quality of labor. This is not coming from an unbiased place.
You realize in many cultures universities were originally created by men FOR men. Women were prevented from doing softer labor behind a desk for centuries. Academia was ruled by men. And furnished the higher paying jobs than a person working the land. So are you saying that women are naturally predisposed to working intellectually and men are naturally predisposed to building pyramids?
And I suppose African American women don't count as women? They worked minute to minute muscle to muscle with men hard dawn toll dusk slavr labor ... building the country people live in now called the United States of America.
The issue us not that you say people are different bc we are. It's that you're liking for any story to justify your prejudice. Op never said people without qualification should work in jobs they can't do. She said being a woman or man does not automatically mean you can't do. For some reason this threatened you. How does a woman construction worker threaten your life.
@Azara well said. @Opinion owner, i don't mean to offend you but even i can sense bias among the genders in your views. According to me you are kinda implying women should be teachers only and men shouldn't be. They shud only do the so- called "tougher" jobs. As if men dont have a caring side to their nature. Thats unfair and demeaning to both men and women. Also i have forever wondered that if women have a greater pain threshhold, shouldn't women be more engaged in physical work? Because they can bear more pain. What kind of an irony is that?
@Azara: Did you read the entirety of what I said? I said, if women/men meet the the standards of their chosen profession, they should never be barred from it just because of their sex. What I am against is the lowering of standards just to have equal men and women in it. And please, your psychoanalysis couldn't be more wrong. If a woman police officer/ firefighter went through the same tough screening tests that every other fireman, she will be my hero regardless of what hardware she packs and in a lethal situation, I'd rest easy knowing that she has my back. And if a woman choose a different, less physically demanding profession for whatever reason, that's completely alright by me too. And don't think I didn't notice your casual racism regarding black women.
@Azara The irony of the situation is that you're calling me prejudiced while using prejudiced speech as well. Just because a black woman have ancestors who broke their backs so that white folks could grow rich with ill-gotten wealth, doesn't make her more suited for heavier more physically demanding work. Genetics don't work that way. Not one black person alive ever experienced the horrors that their ancestors in the US did. None. They experienced prejudice and bigotry but that's just not the same as actual forced unpaid labour. Black women finish school and have high career aspirations just like everyone else.
@IndianGirl01: You have it all wrong. I'm just against any sort of forced gender diversity campaigns in any profession. Merit and aptitude cannot be compromised just to fill a quota. If a man chooses to wear an apron and open a bakery, more power to him. But if suddenly all the bakeries and primary schools all over the world suddenly decide that there must be a quota of men to fix the gender-disparity, and awful bakers are employed who don't know how to operate an oven... I don't think that's a very good idea.
Some things just come more naturally to each gender. For example, men do make muscle gains easier than women unless she is taking steroids. Women also are effected emotionally more in times of distress. So women being soldiers in war has been a least occurrence. Both could do each other's roles, but it's more natural to one gender than the other.
Women also are effected emotionally more in times of distress.
being trained to kill is NOT a sign of dealing well with stress. those guys come home and rape their wives and commit suicide. you need to broaden your understanding of emotion.
like your desire to correct the OP. that was you being emotional.
@Azara Depends what kind of soldier he is. There are bad soldiers and good soldiers. Most of the world has bad soldiers. Some soldiers can overcome some stress and not view women as objects. That's what separates something primitive to something modern.
Women can be loud, have muscles, be outgoing, spontaneous, feisty and still be womanly. - sorry thats not womanly.
Men can be shy, "weak", small, quiet, nerdy, a cross-dresser. - yep but none of that is manly. Especially not cross dresser.
Sorry but i disagree with this. Men and women are fundamentally not the same. We are not the same physically. But some men are not so strong or athletic and some women are more so. But on average men are stronger and faster. Our bodies are different. Its undeniable. Even more so are our differences mentallyand emotionally. To say men and women are rhe same is actually ignorant. Men and women are not superior to each other and should have equal treatment and equal rights. But to make them equal is counterproductive. We are simply not equal. Instead , men and women should complement each other, like nature intended.
I think men are not so good in breastfeeding, being pregnant and such things as women, that is my opinion. :D Most women don´t understand technics, engineering etc. Men are usually stronger. Yes, there can be a man who can take care of a newborn baby and there can be a woman who can repair cars and computers. I would say that men and women are equally important, but each of them has something unique which only rarely the other gender has. If you pick a random man to do woman´s work, he will be not be doing it as good as random woman. And vice versa. Women should get more respect for what they do.
Vice versa for a man. Same for any individual. And person regardless of gender, race, lifestyle, or origin can work to gain any skill they strive for. They just have to do the work, work hard, and work well
@prettylittlemynx I said vice verse, read again. And men and women have different talents and likes. Just check different job fields or college majors-- many areas overwhelmingly draw one sex or another.
They can its just double standards that hold em back Example, stay at home guy might not be attractive to women, a tim boyish girl working on cars might not be as attractive to men... Know what im trying to say?
Can either sex do what the other can, sure. Will it be easy or even acceptable by the standards that have been in place for generations, maybe not.
Humans are going through a growth period where they are trying to decide whether to stick to traditions or try new things. Mostly, the best way is to play it by ear.
So do you want bonus points for saying the obvious? It's not like those of us who know, don't already know all that! The ones that don't 'KNOW' or 'Understand' aren't going to change because of that post!! Not trying to be mean, just a Realist that ADORES women!!! As a separate aside, my girlfriend would take issue with the 'being a woman an not being able to pee comfortably outside!! :) Also, who is the Goddess with the Tavor Rifle in the camo clothes? She's HOT!!! :)
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