Before I read your take I was expecting you to be one of those ultra dbag "male" feminist. However after I read your take you brought up some good points. You gate defeat hate with hate.
The good news is that many women are starting to wake up to the insidiousness of feminism. These fem nazis have created a dynamic that hurts both men and women and only satisfies a very small, but very loud/determined/angry warped segment of women.
However I have to say this. As men and good women we really DO need to stand against the liberal media, hollywood, feminist poisoned public education, liberal laws, etc. This crap IS destroying our culture.
MGTOW are totally right in most of their ideas, but their soulution is definetly wrong. Its not about hate though. Its about going your own way, working on yourself. Some of them are angry men yes, but thats not what MGTOW was designed to do. It was design to make you a better version of yourself and limit dangers of the world.
The solution is however to use the knowledge as a set of tools to navigate the world. The Red Pill teaches this and has made me a far better man, bot in relationships and economically.
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Bitch on, bitches. Meanwhile, some of us are happily going our own way. No alimony for you. No child support for your little crotch goblins. My money stays in MY wallet. Yeah, I'll fuck some twats, but no way are they getting a relationship. We have left the plantation and we're not going back. Happy and free is the way to be!
@Kirah There are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts. You have the right to believe that the chaos between men and women is all a big accident, but the weight of evidence shows that it's a conspiracy. You just don'twant to admit it.
@myTake Owner - MGTOW merely rejects the notion that a man's sole existence is to provide resources for a woman. Once you realize that you realize how hollow the "man up" shaming tactic really is.
Then thank the people behind this agenda. If feminism didn't happen I would probably be working my ass off to impress some woman for a pat on the head and bragging to all and sundry about being a "real man"
There are some faults in your logic. Why even get married? What are the rewards of marriage for men? The truth is nothing. Most men lose and will continue to lose because the laws will not change. Moreover, the hate is generated because men’s lives are ruined financially. The solution is to not jump into marriage and relationships with blind faith because there are no support networks for the men who fall on the sword. Moreover, being in a relationship does not guarantee happiness. The whole point is to find one’s purposes and reason to live. Living for another person leads to misery.
Didn’t read it. You have about 5 to 10 percent of either sex worth dating and keeping for life. The rest are a complete waste.
Men have a lot more to loose than women with laws the way they are.
I’m not MGTOW, but am perfectly willing to stay single for life rather than settle.
MGTOW it doesn’t necessarily thrive on anger or defeatism, frankly it’s probably a relatively smart move to for decent people of either sex to step back especially guys given the unfair divorce laws, child custody and child support laws and false rape, DV, and sexual harassment claims out there.
MGTOW is Men enlightment. A mouvement for men to concentrate on their happiness and dont give a crap on a word that hates them for what they are but love (need) them for they resources and their money.
Official description : "M. G. T. O. W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t. "
and another powerful one by Tesla :
"I do not think you can name many great inventions that have been made by married men. Be alone, that is the secret of invention. Be alone, that is when ideas are born."
I don't think you're wrong that this is part of a planned attempt to break down the traditional family and damage relationship between men and women. A key thing that you are overlooking is that MGTOW's don't care whether what you say is true or not, they've already gone there own way. MGTOW's have made a selfish BUT rational decision (in their eyes) based on the direction society is going. It's all about themselves and not the better interest of society, a society that doesn't give a damn about men. I'm not a MGTOW, but I'm seriously considering it.
this may be true if you are hardcore MGTOW-yes, it's OUR TURN (men) to be selfish... women have been catered to for centuries... ask any woman that was PREVIOUSLY a homemaker-she'll tell you HOW EASY SHE HAD IT... that's what my exwife says all the time-now she has to get up at 6am and go work all day for someone who doesn't love her, or rub her feet, or eat her pussy on command, or fuck her for hours... and she goes through man after man and regrets getting divorced... meanwhile I'm all "YEEEEEE HAWWWW" cuz i didn't know how AWFUL i had it... feminism is slavery for men and really doesn't help women either... I'm no traditional family politics guy but what we have now is completely jacked up and destroys the family. I don't know how it should be, but I know feminism only made things 10000x worse for society.
MGTOW is the dumbest saddest thing ever. I laugh every time I read some guys comments on how they think they are so brave and noble and awesome. Like its no loss for me lmfao so keep going your own way. Anyways cool take!
I agree, but women also need to understand that both men and women are being played off against each other. Try to understand why a lot of men feel the way they do. Men have feelings too.
Let us know if you still have the same arrogant and mocking attitude when you are on the wrong side of 30, single, kept awake by the sound of your ovaries counting down to zero and surrounded by cats.
Most of them are men that have been royally screwed over by bias court systems; losing their kids and belongings. If that happened to me I wouldn't want to partake in that system. Im not saying Im mgtow just that I can understand why some people are.
"I laugh every time I read some guys comments on how they think they are so brave and noble and awesome." Name a guy who thinks he's noble and awesome for being a mgtow, please point them out. Men tend to be proud of the label but they don't think it automatically makes them brave and awesome. Smart, yes, but noble and awesome? No.
"Like its no loss for me lmfao so keep going your own way. " Thanks. But we don't need your permission. When women stop bitching on talk shows about "where did all the real men go?" I would genuinely believe you. Women are so desperate they're marrying themselves and marrying dogs. I'm glad marriage is plummenting because what we see is that now men are happier than women in all areas of life: in Canada, our Department of Health has observed mens overall health, happiness, and longevity improve over the last 15 to 20 years - EXACTLY the period of time that marriage rates have plummeted.
@Mgtow4Life I disagree. Depression, loneliness, and sucicide among men are at their highest. Studies have shown that married men tend to live longer than single men. I agree with a lot of what MGTOW say, but staying single won'tmake a man happy. It's natural for a man to desire to be with a woman. Staying single is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
"I disagree. Depression, loneliness, and sucicide among men are at their highest." Men have always committed sucidie more than women, but women are more likely to have depression. Also loneliness? You don't need marriage to not be lonely, there's these things called friends. Also, all studies report men being happier than women, happy reading: " Studies have shown that married men tend to live longer than single men. I agree with a lot of what MGTOW say, but staying single won'tmake a man happy." There are studies that say that's a bunch of garbage. "It's natural for a man to desire to be with a woman" It's natural for a man to want to have KIDS with a woman, there's no evidence that he wants to spend his natural life with one woman.
@myTake Owner - Yes it is true. I suggest you go read the 2008 study done on this very topic. Females attempt suicide at a higher rate than men. Men tend to be more successful. They also address the differences in what methods men and women choose to commit suicide.
@foghornleghorn78 That is complete and total bullshit. Are women so useless that they cannot even succeed in killing themselves? Can you prove that this "study" is true? Anyone can quote studies. It proves nothing. There would be no way of knowing that women attempt suicide more than men.
Take Owner he's actually right about men tending to be more successful (ironic huh) at suicide than women. I remember that from some psychology class I think. The reason is because men tend to use more direct or violent methods like using a gun or jumping off a bridge, where they can't change their minds. Women tend to use less direct methods like by trying to overdose with pills which doesn't always work and they can change their mind after taking the pills. Of course sometimes methods like shooting themselves doesn't always work, it's more likely to.
I don't know if women have tried at a higher rate though. I do know women tend to have more mental health issues though, especially depression.
I'm not trying to support a side. This is the first time I've heard of mgtow and I don't really even understand what it means. They resist relationships due to some kind of women issues?
"the dumbest saddest thing ever... Like its no loss for me lmfao". Cool story bro-ette. On the contrary, the fact that you need to post this childish insult laden comment belies it bothers you deeply (and clearly don;t understand what you are talking about). In the immortal words of Shakespeare, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."
@gilliann What's that baby? Oh that's right I don't understand gibberish Now all of you fucking losers get off my post like what makes you think I care? Damn.
Suicide rates shoot up for post divorcee men. The desire for women in term of sex approval and companionship is perfectly natural and I doubt you would meet a MGHOW who would disagree but survival comes first son. When the price for being with a woman is your life liberty and sanity then those natural wants can be happily thrown out. You want to be a tradcon who gets his human worth measured by his usefulness to a women be my guest stop trying to drag the rest of us under the bus with you.
@foghornleghorn78 They do it to seek attention and sympathy since those are their primary sources of power in society they think too much of themselves to actually go through with it.
I read and you basically said you don't care which means you don't have a problem with us. MGTOW don't affect you so its all cool, did I miss something?
@Skepkim lmfao where did say that you illiterate fool? When I said I didn't care I meant I don't care about you and your weird friends' opinions. Understood? I bet not but one day you'll learn.
@myTake Owner : It has nothing to do with being competent or not. It has to do with the fact that men choose a lot more direct and effective means of suicide while women do not. As I stated, do a google search and go read the 2008 research done on this topic. Women were found to attempt suicide at a higher percentage than men. Men on the other hand were found to be more effective at achieving the end result of suicide.
@foghornleghorn78 that just means women are more likely not honest when they claim suicide... it's NOT HARD to commit suicide. So clearly a lot more women are committing cries for attention, while more men are committing suicide...
@Reflexy in reality it just reveals there's NOTHING IN IT to be married for a man. The benefits for a woman are typically retained-the benefit of SECURITY. The benefit of marriage for a man was never there to begin with these days... only foolish men get married. Marriage is exploitation with legal teeth, nothing more eloquent today. have a relationship-but don't get married.
I see you get it. A woman doesn't need a relationship to be happy but who said you had to be in a relationship to be happy? Mgtow is about informing men that a relationship won't make them happy. It's best to be single.
@Somegoinghisownway exactly-it means having fun with women, but not being exploited BY THEM. MGTOW is interacting with women without the inequality, ie without the feminism. And it's sooooooo much more fun.
Nah, feminism is the dumbest saddest thing ever, and women are so pathetic men are simply walking away, and the more men doing this, avoiding marriage and comittment and only going for casual sex, the worse it will get for women, since women are biologically inferior to men you need men more than we need women. When the welfare systems are running out of money women will realize that they aren't nearly as independent as they thought and they will come running back to men begging to suck dick for some security.
An ad hominem attack, bravo, you really nailed it. I've never seen anyone who is 25 be called an "old fart", s I don't know what your thought process tell you. by the way, you feminists also think that being rebellious and mean spirited makes you brave and noble and awesome. So you can go do some sewing and cat tending, since that's how you'll most likely end up anyways. MGTOW is going the right way.
@cavmanier me too since you're 35. Any man who's been in a divorce has likely heard of it as he's most likely experienced first hand what feminism REALLY IS: Gender superiority with a major advantage in the judicial system, both civil and criminal.
@feminismisnarcissism I know guys that have gotten basically screwed after a divorce. Many of them seemed to volunteer giving their ex their house or large alimony without a fight. After I asked them why, they either didn't have much of an answer or seemed to think it was the "right" thing to do.
I've never heard a guy seriously or passionately criticize feminism irl, but I hope to have a conversation with a guy like you one day out of curiosity.
@cavmanier well women have a 7 to 1 advantage (USA) in court for custody and divorce... that's not subjective, that's bullshit or "feminist equality"... men also pay 90% of child support, women pay 10% <feminist "equality". also bullshit.
feminism isn't scrutinized much (although people are waking up) because it's a tyranny movement... you point out an obvious fallacy or make a reasoned argument or scrutinize some bullshit about it and you're called a "misogynist" when in reality anyone who believes in equality AND understands feminism would reject feminism with utter disgust. it's a trick they learned from zionists... question "israel" and its genocide, and its apartheid, racism, terrorism,. etc... and you're an "anti-semite"
any movement above scrutiny is tyranny, nothing more eloquent. and feminism is only 2nd TO zionism IN tyranny.
MGTOW has nothing to do with disliking women. It simply recognizing the truth. All people are inherently selfish. Women may not approve of the laws and family courts. However, once they in it, they will take advantage of what is best. Men would do the same, if family law and court were strongly bias in favor of them. That is human nature.
MGTOW knows that women are not evil. They also know the laws and courts are extremely bias in favor of women and opposed to men. MGTOW only wishes to avoid very dangerous situations were they will lose everything they worked for their entire lives. It is not unlike jumping off the boat into water where their is shark feeding frenzy going on. That's very dangerous so people avoid doing that. Remove the extremely dangerous situations that men face when they get involved with women and MGTOW will vanish in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I'm tired of being fooled into thinking that all women are no good sluts that fuck as many different dudes as they can while they're beautiful and then marries a good guy that spent his younger years making himself successful that either can look past that or they lie to the good guy about it and they still end up cheating on the good guy and even if the good guy found out he can't divorce her because he could lose everything he worked his entire life for, she gets whatever she wants while the good guy gets fucked with a loveless marriage he's too good for, credit card debt, and sloppy seconds.
yeah i agree, but i also think this movement is just a normal reaction to men and women treating each other as enemies.
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MGTOW is basically men going there own way. It's basically men living their life independently without adhering to gender expectation, and brainwashing of being a provider male for a woman who have said more than multiple times that they don't need men.
MGTOW does not mean not dating women. It means living your life and not being tied down. You can still be in a relationship with a woman and be with a woman or be single just don't get married.
I personally agree with you on this. Honestly money plays a major role in this and honesty I am not sure what could be done to stop this. Women no longer being attractive to the opposite sex and men no longer wishing to be with them, its just saddening. Maybe one day we will be able to recover from this but honestly the biggest problem and but also the best solution is social media. It's a double edge sword. People who know what to do with social media are masters at redirection and most people are incapable of getting pass that. So yea
I get plenty of offers these days, unlike when I was young and actually wanted it. I have not touched a woman for almost 15 years. I would sooner put my head down a badger hole than open myself to the legal liabilities that come with women. There are currently four women in the MILF category who make eyes at me. One even feels me up when she gets a chance, just to be sure that I get the message. Now that you are 30 @Prof_Don you are about to observe a radical change in female behaviour. By the time that they are 35, it is the women who usually make the moves because the men are becoming thin on the ground and many are not particularly interested in women any more.
@cth96190 women are valued for youth, fertility and beauty. Whereas a man's attraction is broader in, us men have more options in becoming attractive. Women don't value sex like men do, women value relationships and commitment with alpha males but can't have that unless there really hot so just sleep with them then settle with a beta in his 30s.
Women depreciate within time in value due to biology... men appreciate beyond and if they put in the good work.
bullshit. I've gotten about 10x more pussy since i took a mgtow attitude. women like whiteknights, simps, puppydog men to USE them... they don't fuck them. A mgtow is a challenge as we don't put up with bullshit... take the "fake breakup" of women... I always agree-and hold them to it... and they text me and text me and so on to try to get me back... with the follow up to the classic female "fake breakup" ... "Just kidding!
MGTOW is empowering and I've been with 2 different women THIS WEEK alone. We don't get less pussy-we get less LIABILITY, less OBLIGATION to be simps-like you.
@genuinlysensitive exactly-it's a false claim. feminists get men lined up because there's plenty of white knight morons out there... who will do anything if they think they have a chance at that pussy-your classic "male feminist" is in reality a total fraud as he's only catering to that bullshit to GET SOME ASS-and he rarely does. MGTOWS (at least the non-victim type) get LOADS of ass cuz we got something rare in men today-self respect, integrity, BOUNDARIES-we don't tolerate no bullshit and women find that attractive-they wanna see if they can change us, own us, break us down... they love what they can't have.
thats extremely wrong. some of the most leading mgtow figures have flings or relationships. the more you get the more you get to know women. it works better ths way.
And yeah you must be getting all the pussy in the world with that gay ass filter. Grow up, you are 33 years old. Stop acting and speaking like a child. I see you in every Mgtow post with the same "wouldn't go Mgtow if they got pussy" response. It's much deeper than that. But manginas like you won't understand that. Now go back to your safe space and keep crying.
I agree that many mgtows are incels hiding behind the name "mgtow" becasue they won't accept theyre losers. But some are not, and theyre the true mgtows. The other part is incels.
Myself I am just red pilled. I know for a fact that mgtows speak the truth, but I still want pussy in my life, and I have gotten. I just navigate the world differently then before and in a safer way to minimize risk.
I had that pic with the SnapChat filter as a funny laugh for my girlfriend when she was having a down moment.
No need for a guy to try so hard to be macho all the time. 😛
Hopefully u find happiness. You have to be an angry and hateful person, to insult somebody on purpose who simply disagrees with a lifestyle choice of yours.
Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam)—also known as [argument from] middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy, and the golden mean fallacy—is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth must be found as a compromise between two opposite positions.
@Tanisha69 false equivocation. Feminism has no counterpart yet. You don't see any legislation that favors men such that women are exploited, you don't have a judicial system that favors men 7 to 1 in custody for example. You don't have police laugh at women when they report being abused, etc...
you can't be in the middle on this one-you are just avoiding the issue or being educated ON the issue-that's just careless, not neutral. MGTOW is hardly the reverse of feminism. For starters it's not about EXPLOITING women as feminism IS about exploiting men. MGTOW is about rejecting the fallacious movement that feminism has become. Your lack of education hardly makes your position valid.
I think the boys should have their mgtow. They get to be happy by themselves and I get to be happy by never having to interact with them 😁 sounds like a win-win to me 👍🏾
Mgtow was originally built to glorify men being independent from which is good, nothing wrong with someone who can take of themselves, the problem with it is thats it has warped into woman hating propaganda the same way feminism has warped.
This thinking is very mentally and socially destructive and provides nothing healthy for either men or women.
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I agree but give those guys a break. Sure it's anger but it's impotent self hating anger. Most mgtow guys have been hurt badly by women or are angry at their inability to get with women. Most once they get a girl they tend to be ex MGTOW. They are mostly looking for a girl to love and to be loved. It's like how most homophobes are closet gays.
They don't deny that it's natural to desire a woman, the point is they recognize it as requiring an unreasonable amount of effort/risk. I see them as just looking for a mode of existence that makes them happy and pursuing women isn't doing that for them, even when they still like women and want meaningful relationships with women. They know it's not sustainable, it's sort of like a protest, but not quite, it's more just about surviving. They're just staying out of the way while a storm blows outside. They're not trying to convert you into a celibate monk.
great take! i agree, even tough i kind of sympathize with some mgtowers. only the ones who have been through shit tough. not your average misogynist. and i dont really get why women hate on it either. its just a few guys and they aren't harming women or anything. their just doing their own thing. most guys still want women. if some dont, just let them be...
yep-most of us have been fucked over by a judicial system that favors women 7 to 1 in custody with zero basis, and 90% of child support is paid by MEN, 10% by women... feminism is slavery-we're the ones awake to it.
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Before I read your take I was expecting you to be one of those ultra dbag "male" feminist. However after I read your take you brought up some good points. You gate defeat hate with hate.
The good news is that many women are starting to wake up to the insidiousness of feminism. These fem nazis have created a dynamic that hurts both men and women and only satisfies a very small, but very loud/determined/angry warped segment of women.
However I have to say this. As men and good women we really DO need to stand against the liberal media, hollywood, feminist poisoned public education, liberal laws, etc. This crap IS destroying our culture.
MGTOW are totally right in most of their ideas, but their soulution is definetly wrong. Its not about hate though. Its about going your own way, working on yourself. Some of them are angry men yes, but thats not what MGTOW was designed to do. It was design to make you a better version of yourself and limit dangers of the world.
The solution is however to use the knowledge as a set of tools to navigate the world. The Red Pill teaches this and has made me a far better man, bot in relationships and economically.
Bitch on, bitches. Meanwhile, some of us are happily going our own way. No alimony for you. No child support for your little crotch goblins. My money stays in MY wallet. Yeah, I'll fuck some twats, but no way are they getting a relationship. We have left the plantation and we're not going back. Happy and free is the way to be!
Then you are falling into the hands of the peoplebehind this agenda.
There isn't an agenda. Just as there isn't a "movement." MGTOW is a rejection of both.
Yes there is an agenda. All this chaos between men and women hasn't happened by accident.
@Love_Is_Eternal and Bush did 9/11, we didn't actually land on the moon, and planes distribute chemtrails. Right?
@Kirah There are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts. You have the right to believe that the chaos between men and women is all a big accident, but the weight of evidence shows that it's a conspiracy. You just don'twant to admit it.
"Yes there is an agenda. All this chaos between men and women hasn't happened by accident."
You're right - but they're not called an 'agenda'. They're called 'voters' with an 'agenda'.
@myTake Owner - MGTOW merely rejects the notion that a man's sole existence is to provide resources for a woman. Once you realize that you realize how hollow the "man up" shaming tactic really is.
Then thank the people behind this agenda. If feminism didn't happen I would probably be working my ass off to impress some woman for a pat on the head and bragging to all and sundry about being a "real man"
@Skepkim You're not a real man. You're just a pansy.
Glad I'm not a real man I'm a free man.
There are some faults in your logic. Why even get married? What are the rewards of marriage for men? The truth is nothing. Most men lose and will continue to lose because the laws will not change. Moreover, the hate is generated because men’s lives are ruined financially. The solution is to not jump into marriage and relationships with blind faith because there are no support networks for the men who fall on the sword. Moreover, being in a relationship does not guarantee happiness. The whole point is to find one’s purposes and reason to live. Living for another person leads to misery.
Didn’t read it. You have about 5 to 10 percent of either sex worth dating and keeping for life. The rest are a complete waste.
Men have a lot more to loose than women with laws the way they are.
I’m not MGTOW, but am perfectly willing to stay single for life rather than settle.
MGTOW it doesn’t necessarily thrive on anger or defeatism, frankly it’s probably a relatively smart move to for decent people of either sex to step back especially guys given the unfair divorce laws, child custody and child support laws and false rape, DV, and sexual harassment claims out there.
MGTOW is Men enlightment.
A mouvement for men to concentrate on their happiness and dont give a crap on a word that hates them for what they are but love (need) them for they resources and their money.
Official description :
"M. G. T. O. W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t. "
and another powerful one by Tesla :
"I do not think you can name many great inventions that have been made by married men. Be alone, that is the secret of invention. Be alone, that is when ideas are born."
- Nikola Tesla (1856-1943)
I don't think you're wrong that this is part of a planned attempt to break down the traditional family and damage relationship between men and women. A key thing that you are overlooking is that MGTOW's don't care whether what you say is true or not, they've already gone there own way. MGTOW's have made a selfish BUT rational decision (in their eyes) based on the direction society is going. It's all about themselves and not the better interest of society, a society that doesn't give a damn about men. I'm not a MGTOW, but I'm seriously considering it.
Actually, there is a plan to destroy the Family. It all started in 1848 by Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx.
How Communism Destroys Families...
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‘Blessed is he who has no family,’ - Karl Marx
this may be true if you are hardcore MGTOW-yes, it's OUR TURN (men) to be selfish... women have been catered to for centuries... ask any woman that was PREVIOUSLY a homemaker-she'll tell you HOW EASY SHE HAD IT... that's what my exwife says all the time-now she has to get up at 6am and go work all day for someone who doesn't love her, or rub her feet, or eat her pussy on command, or fuck her for hours... and she goes through man after man and regrets getting divorced... meanwhile I'm all "YEEEEEE HAWWWW" cuz i didn't know how AWFUL i had it... feminism is slavery for men and really doesn't help women either... I'm no traditional family politics guy but what we have now is completely jacked up and destroys the family. I don't know how it should be, but I know feminism only made things 10000x worse for society.
You have the right idea about Mgtow. It's never too late to be a Mgtow. Embrace the philosophy brother.
MGTOW is the dumbest saddest thing ever. I laugh every time I read some guys comments on how they think they are so brave and noble and awesome. Like its no loss for me lmfao so keep going your own way. Anyways cool take!
Lol this!
I agree, but women also need to understand that both men and women are being played off against each other. Try to understand why a lot of men feel the way they do. Men have feelings too.
Let us know if you still have the same arrogant and mocking attitude when you are on the wrong side of 30, single, kept awake by the sound of your ovaries counting down to zero and surrounded by cats.
@cth96190 lmao ew you old geezer. What makes you think I'll be single then? LMFAOOO @ YOU smh.
Maybe you won'r be, but a lot of women are ending up lonely and angry and bitter because they were duped by feminism.
Yea those are those idiots. I'm not one of em.
Most of them are men that have been royally screwed over by bias court systems; losing their kids and belongings. If that happened to me I wouldn't want to partake in that system. Im not saying Im mgtow just that I can understand why some people are.
"MGTOW is the dumbest saddest thing ever."
"I laugh every time I read some guys comments on how they think they are so brave and noble and awesome."
Name a guy who thinks he's noble and awesome for being a mgtow, please point them out. Men tend to be proud of the label but they don't think it automatically makes them brave and awesome. Smart, yes, but noble and awesome? No.
"Like its no loss for me lmfao so keep going your own way. "
Thanks. But we don't need your permission. When women stop bitching on talk shows about "where did all the real men go?" I would genuinely believe you. Women are so desperate they're marrying themselves and marrying dogs. I'm glad marriage is plummenting because what we see is that now men are happier than women in all areas of life: in Canada, our Department of Health has observed mens overall health, happiness, and longevity improve over the last 15 to 20 years - EXACTLY the period of time that marriage rates have plummeted.
@Mgtow4Life I disagree. Depression, loneliness, and sucicide among men are at their highest. Studies have shown that married men tend to live longer than single men. I agree with a lot of what MGTOW say, but staying single won'tmake a man happy. It's natural for a man to desire to be with a woman. Staying single is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
"I disagree. Depression, loneliness, and sucicide among men are at their highest."
Men have always committed sucidie more than women, but women are more likely to have depression. Also loneliness? You don't need marriage to not be lonely, there's these things called friends. Also, all studies report men being happier than women, happy reading:
" Studies have shown that married men tend to live longer than single men. I agree with a lot of what MGTOW say, but staying single won'tmake a man happy."
There are studies that say that's a bunch of garbage.
"It's natural for a man to desire to be with a woman"
It's natural for a man to want to have KIDS with a woman, there's no evidence that he wants to spend his natural life with one woman.
@Mgtow4Life I disagree with everything you have said.
There's a very interesting thing about facts though. Even if you disagree with them, they still exist.
Women attempt suicide at a higher rate than men. Men are just more competent at achieving the end result of suicide than women.
@foghornleghorn78 Not true
@myTake Owner - Yes it is true. I suggest you go read the 2008 study done on this very topic. Females attempt suicide at a higher rate than men. Men tend to be more successful. They also address the differences in what methods men and women choose to commit suicide.
@foghornleghorn78 That is complete and total bullshit. Are women so useless that they cannot even succeed in killing themselves? Can you prove that this "study" is true? Anyone can quote studies. It proves nothing. There would be no way of knowing that women attempt suicide more than men.
Take Owner he's actually right about men tending to be more successful (ironic huh) at suicide than women. I remember that from some psychology class I think. The reason is because men tend to use more direct or violent methods like using a gun or jumping off a bridge, where they can't change their minds. Women tend to use less direct methods like by trying to overdose with pills which doesn't always work and they can change their mind after taking the pills. Of course sometimes methods like shooting themselves doesn't always work, it's more likely to.
I don't know if women have tried at a higher rate though. I do know women tend to have more mental health issues though, especially depression.
I'm not trying to support a side. This is the first time I've heard of mgtow and I don't really even understand what it means. They resist relationships due to some kind of women issues?
The passion is interesting and surprising though. 10 downvotes and only 3 upvotes? I wouldn't have guessed
Mgtow is the best thing ever saving money and hanging with friends doing what ever you please. Traveling the world without a single care.
"the dumbest saddest thing ever... Like its no loss for me lmfao". Cool story bro-ette. On the contrary, the fact that you need to post this childish insult laden comment belies it bothers you deeply (and clearly don;t understand what you are talking about). In the immortal words of Shakespeare, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."
@gilliann What's that baby? Oh that's right I don't understand gibberish
Now all of you fucking losers get off my post like what makes you think I care? Damn.
@Somegoinghisownway oh mhmm sure hun. I'm having a helluva good time too ;)
Good to see a woman who has no problem with MGTOW.
@Skepkim lol that's right cause along with it you're also the dumbest thing lmao
Suicide rates shoot up for post divorcee men. The desire for women in term of sex approval and companionship is perfectly natural and I doubt you would meet a MGHOW who would disagree but survival comes first son.
When the price for being with a woman is your life liberty and sanity then those natural wants can be happily thrown out. You want to be a tradcon who gets his human worth measured by his usefulness to a women be my guest stop trying to drag the rest of us under the bus with you.
@Skepkim didn't read a single thing
@foghornleghorn78 They do it to seek attention and sympathy since those are their primary sources of power in society they think too much of themselves to actually go through with it.
I read and you basically said you don't care which means you don't have a problem with us. MGTOW don't affect you so its all cool, did I miss something?
@Skepkim lmfao where did say that you illiterate fool? When I said I didn't care I meant I don't care about you and your weird friends' opinions. Understood? I bet not but one day you'll learn.
@Skepkim now read this and try to comprehend: Get. Off. My. Post. You. Weirdo. Cause. I. Don't. Care. About. Your. Opinion (s). And. Whatever. You. Say. Will. Not. Change. Mine. So. Stop. Wasting. Your. Breath. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@myTake Owner : It has nothing to do with being competent or not. It has to do with the fact that men choose a lot more direct and effective means of suicide while women do not. As I stated, do a google search and go read the 2008 research done on this topic. Women were found to attempt suicide at a higher percentage than men. Men on the other hand were found to be more effective at achieving the end result of suicide.
@foghornleghorn78 Yes, that study is flawed.
@foghornleghorn78 that just means women are more likely not honest when they claim suicide... it's NOT HARD to commit suicide. So clearly a lot more women are committing cries for attention, while more men are committing suicide...
@Reflexy in reality it just reveals there's NOTHING IN IT to be married for a man. The benefits for a woman are typically retained-the benefit of SECURITY. The benefit of marriage for a man was never there to begin with these days... only foolish men get married. Marriage is exploitation with legal teeth, nothing more eloquent today.
have a relationship-but don't get married.
I see you get it. A woman doesn't need a relationship to be happy but who said you had to be in a relationship to be happy? Mgtow is about informing men that a relationship won't make them happy. It's best to be single.
@Somegoinghisownway exactly-it means having fun with women, but not being exploited BY THEM. MGTOW is interacting with women without the inequality, ie without the feminism. And it's sooooooo much more fun.
Nah, feminism is the dumbest saddest thing ever, and women are so pathetic men are simply walking away, and the more men doing this, avoiding marriage and comittment and only going for casual sex, the worse it will get for women, since women are biologically inferior to men you need men more than we need women. When the welfare systems are running out of money women will realize that they aren't nearly as independent as they thought and they will come running back to men begging to suck dick for some security.
@alphadoggystyle what did you say? Oh what a waste.
Oh look, another pretty girl getting prepared for her "where have all the good men gone" days.
What a bunch of low lives
yeah, you're no loss for us either, so keep on enjoying your goddamn Starbucks coffee and your smarter phone. Good day.
@regularjack lmfao you losers just don't know when to stop responding. Get out of here you bitter old fart
An ad hominem attack, bravo, you really nailed it. I've never seen anyone who is 25 be called an "old fart", s I don't know what your thought process tell you. by the way, you feminists also think that being rebellious and mean spirited makes you brave and noble and awesome. So you can go do some sewing and cat tending, since that's how you'll most likely end up anyways. MGTOW is going the right way.
I'm surprised at the passion for mgtow. I hadn't even heard of it before.
@cavmanier me too since you're 35. Any man who's been in a divorce has likely heard of it as he's most likely experienced first hand what feminism REALLY IS: Gender superiority with a major advantage in the judicial system, both civil and criminal.
@feminismisnarcissism I know guys that have gotten basically screwed after a divorce. Many of them seemed to volunteer giving their ex their house or large alimony without a fight. After I asked them why, they either didn't have much of an answer or seemed to think it was the "right" thing to do.
I've never heard a guy seriously or passionately criticize feminism irl, but I hope to have a conversation with a guy like you one day out of curiosity.
@cavmanier well women have a 7 to 1 advantage (USA) in court for custody and divorce... that's not subjective, that's bullshit or "feminist equality"... men also pay 90% of child support, women pay 10% <feminist "equality". also bullshit.
feminism isn't scrutinized much (although people are waking up) because it's a tyranny movement... you point out an obvious fallacy or make a reasoned argument or scrutinize some bullshit about it and you're called a "misogynist" when in reality anyone who believes in equality AND understands feminism would reject feminism with utter disgust. it's a trick they learned from zionists... question "israel" and its genocide, and its apartheid, racism, terrorism,. etc... and you're an "anti-semite"
any movement above scrutiny is tyranny, nothing more eloquent. and feminism is only 2nd TO zionism IN tyranny.
@gilliann What's Shakespeare?
@regularjack You mean you don't want my gunt?
@crushhighlander My gunt is lonely...
@Jxpxtxr LOLOLOLOLOLOL
MGTOW has nothing to do with disliking women. It simply recognizing the truth. All people are inherently selfish. Women may not approve of the laws and family courts. However, once they in it, they will take advantage of what is best. Men would do the same, if family law and court were strongly bias in favor of them. That is human nature.
MGTOW knows that women are not evil. They also know the laws and courts are extremely bias in favor of women and opposed to men. MGTOW only wishes to avoid very dangerous situations were they will lose everything they worked for their entire lives. It is not unlike jumping off the boat into water where their is shark feeding frenzy going on. That's very dangerous so people avoid doing that. Remove the extremely dangerous situations that men face when they get involved with women and MGTOW will vanish in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I'm tired of being fooled into thinking that all women are no good sluts that fuck as many different dudes as they can while they're beautiful and then marries a good guy that spent his younger years making himself successful that either can look past that or they lie to the good guy about it and they still end up cheating on the good guy and even if the good guy found out he can't divorce her because he could lose everything he worked his entire life for, she gets whatever she wants while the good guy gets fucked with a loveless marriage he's too good for, credit card debt, and sloppy seconds.
yeah i agree, but i also think this movement is just a normal reaction to men and women treating each other as enemies.
MGTOW is basically men going there own way. It's basically men living their life independently without adhering to gender expectation, and brainwashing of being a provider male for a woman who have said more than multiple times that they don't need men.
MGTOW does not mean not dating women. It means living your life and not being tied down. You can still be in a relationship with a woman and be with a woman or be single just don't get married.
I personally agree with you on this. Honestly money plays a major role in this and honesty I am not sure what could be done to stop this. Women no longer being attractive to the opposite sex and men no longer wishing to be with them, its just saddening. Maybe one day we will be able to recover from this but honestly the biggest problem and but also the best solution is social media. It's a double edge sword. People who know what to do with social media are masters at redirection and most people are incapable of getting pass that. So yea
MTGOW guys wouldn't be MTGOW if they were getting pussy
Many of them are.
Appeal to Emotions, nice argument there.
I get plenty of offers these days, unlike when I was young and actually wanted it.
I have not touched a woman for almost 15 years.
I would sooner put my head down a badger hole than open myself to the legal liabilities that come with women.
There are currently four women in the MILF category who make eyes at me. One even feels me up when she gets a chance, just to be sure that I get the message.
Now that you are 30 @Prof_Don you are about to observe a radical change in female behaviour.
By the time that they are 35, it is the women who usually make the moves because the men are becoming thin on the ground and many are not particularly interested in women any more.
@cth96190 women are valued for youth, fertility and beauty. Whereas a man's attraction is broader in, us men have more options in becoming attractive. Women don't value sex like men do, women value relationships and commitment with alpha males but can't have that unless there really hot so just sleep with them then settle with a beta in his 30s.
Women depreciate within time in value due to biology... men appreciate beyond and if they put in the good work.
Men age like wine women age like milk.
not true i became mgtow in the height of my pussy getting. which was pretty high. even know i still get women but consider myself mgtow.
So then Feminists wouldn't be feminists if they were getting dick?
bullshit. I've gotten about 10x more pussy since i took a mgtow attitude. women like whiteknights, simps, puppydog men to USE them... they don't fuck them. A mgtow is a challenge as we don't put up with bullshit... take the "fake breakup" of women... I always agree-and hold them to it... and they text me and text me and so on to try to get me back... with the follow up to the classic female "fake breakup" ... "Just kidding!
MGTOW is empowering and I've been with 2 different women THIS WEEK alone. We don't get less pussy-we get less LIABILITY, less OBLIGATION to be simps-like you.
@genuinlysensitive exactly-it's a false claim. feminists get men lined up because there's plenty of white knight morons out there... who will do anything if they think they have a chance at that pussy-your classic "male feminist" is in reality a total fraud as he's only catering to that bullshit to GET SOME ASS-and he rarely does. MGTOWS (at least the non-victim type) get LOADS of ass cuz we got something rare in men today-self respect, integrity, BOUNDARIES-we don't tolerate no bullshit and women find that attractive-they wanna see if they can change us, own us, break us down... they love what they can't have.
thats extremely wrong. some of the most leading mgtow figures have flings or relationships. the more you get the more you get to know women. it works better ths way.
LOL.
@genuinlysensitive What guy would fuck a feminist? They look like shit and they smell funny.
And yeah you must be getting all the pussy in the world with that gay ass filter. Grow up, you are 33 years old. Stop acting and speaking like a child. I see you in every Mgtow post with the same "wouldn't go Mgtow if they got pussy" response. It's much deeper than that. But manginas like you won't understand that. Now go back to your safe space and keep crying.
I agree that many mgtows are incels hiding behind the name "mgtow" becasue they won't accept theyre losers. But some are not, and theyre the true mgtows. The other part is incels.
Myself I am just red pilled. I know for a fact that mgtows speak the truth, but I still want pussy in my life, and I have gotten. I just navigate the world differently then before and in a safer way to minimize risk.
@Vegeta01
I had that pic with the SnapChat filter as a funny laugh for my girlfriend when she was having a down moment.
No need for a guy to try so hard to be macho all the time. 😛
Hopefully u find happiness. You have to be an angry and hateful person, to insult somebody on purpose who simply disagrees with a lifestyle choice of yours.
I'm just so over it all... feminists and the MGTOW movement both
Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam)—also known as [argument from] middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy, and the golden mean fallacy—is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth must be found as a compromise between two opposite positions.
@Demon_King_Alastor That's very true.
@Demon_King_Alastor exactly. plus, what tripe-mgtow JUST ARRIVED, you can't be sick of it yet WITHOUT the fallacy.
@Demon_King_Alastor You can hate both sides of an argument. For example I can hate Bernie Bros and Trump supporters.
@Tanisha69 false equivocation. Feminism has no counterpart yet. You don't see any legislation that favors men such that women are exploited, you don't have a judicial system that favors men 7 to 1 in custody for example. You don't have police laugh at women when they report being abused, etc...
you can't be in the middle on this one-you are just avoiding the issue or being educated ON the issue-that's just careless, not neutral. MGTOW is hardly the reverse of feminism. For starters it's not about EXPLOITING women as feminism IS about exploiting men. MGTOW is about rejecting the fallacious movement that feminism has become. Your lack of education hardly makes your position valid.
@feminismisnarcissism Hey I am edjucated lets not get insulting. And I already told you I find most feminists very annoying.
@Tanisha69 it wasn't insulting. I gave a rebuttal to your middle of the claim exasperation.
@feminismisnarcissism ok then :)
i was thinking that same thing,
Luci92-nice to see a girl who sees that they are both hateful of the other gender
I think the boys should have their mgtow. They get to be happy by themselves and I get to be happy by never having to interact with them 😁 sounds like a win-win to me 👍🏾
I agree let all these bitter men take themselves out of the dating pool, sounds like a win win
Mgtow was originally built to glorify men being independent from which is good, nothing wrong with someone who can take of themselves, the problem with it is thats it has warped into woman hating propaganda the same way feminism has warped.
This thinking is very mentally and socially destructive and provides nothing healthy for either men or women.
I agree but give those guys a break. Sure it's anger but it's impotent self hating anger. Most mgtow guys have been hurt badly by women or are angry at their inability to get with women. Most once they get a girl they tend to be ex MGTOW. They are mostly looking for a girl to love and to be loved. It's like how most homophobes are closet gays.
Why did you post a picture of a divorced woman?
They don't deny that it's natural to desire a woman, the point is they recognize it as requiring an unreasonable amount of effort/risk. I see them as just looking for a mode of existence that makes them happy and pursuing women isn't doing that for them, even when they still like women and want meaningful relationships with women. They know it's not sustainable, it's sort of like a protest, but not quite, it's more just about surviving. They're just staying out of the way while a storm blows outside. They're not trying to convert you into a celibate monk.
I'm worth it
@datkunt
no
@datkunt Saying that means you're not. Someone worth it would respect others.
great take!
i agree, even tough i kind of sympathize with some mgtowers. only the ones who have been through shit tough. not your average misogynist.
and i dont really get why women hate on it either. its just a few guys and they aren't harming women or anything. their just doing their own thing. most guys still want women. if some dont, just let them be...
yep-most of us have been fucked over by a judicial system that favors women 7 to 1 in custody with zero basis, and 90% of child support is paid by MEN, 10% by women... feminism is slavery-we're the ones awake to it.
@feminismisnarcissism well I can't blame you, after what you have been trough. Thats worse than rape I would say