Shut Up About Blue Lives Matter!

[Waffles731]

I've seen it posted all over again. In response to every time someone mentions, You know, maybe these Black lives matter people have a point, you know Police brutality is a proble- SHUT UP, BLUE LIVES MATTER YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OUT THEIR BUSTING THEIR ASS KEEPING YOU SAFE YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARD.

Yet, in the past two years we've seen some cops that REALLY aren't taking that whole protect and serve thing to heart. We've seen a man put in a police paddy wagon and was injured by the police till he fell into a coma AND FUCKING DIED but you talk to these Blue Lives matter people and Freddie Gray's death wasn't police brutality, after all they decided not to charge the officers with murder. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THAT THE BALTIMORE PD WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF A SUSPECT WHEN THEY WERE IN CUSTODY SURROUNDED BY COPS.

Tell me how that fucking makes sense.

Oh and why was Freddie Gray arrested, because he had a switchblade, yep, a Switchblade, something no more dangerous than your average pocket knife.

When so many of these people will call people like me who think that maybe we can't always trust the police yet they often claim to not trust the government yet say that this shit is justified.

FYI, there are plenty of cops who think that the Police are WAY out of control.

Or take Actual hero Adrian Schoolcraft an NYPD officer, here is the opening of his wikipedia page, "

Adrian Schoolcraft (born 1976) is a former New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer who secretly recorded police conversations from 2008 to 2009. He brought these tapes to NYPD investigators in October 2009 as evidence of corruption and wrongdoing within the department. He used the tapes as evidence that arrest quotas were leading to police abuses such as wrongful arrests, while the emphasis on fighting crime sometimes resulted in underreporting of crimes to keep the numbers down.

After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was reportedly harassed and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days.[1] In 2010, he released the audio recordings to The Village Voice, leading to the reporting of a multi-part series titled The NYPD Tapes. That same year he filed a lawsuit against the NYPD and Jamaica Hospital. In 2012 The Village Voice reported that a 2010 unpublished report of an internal NYPD investigation found the 81st precinct had evidence of quotas and underreporting."- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

Yeah corrupt cops are so bad that they will actually use force to illegally commit an Honorable officer who did the right thing to a psych ward because repeat after me,

CORRUPT. COPS. ACT. LIKE. CRIMINALS. WITH.A. BADGE.

That is who Blue Lives Matters defends. They don't defend the honorable ones, the heroic cops. It defends corruption and racism. Thats what Blue Lives Matter is, a Defense of Corruption.

#ScrewCorruption

[Prof_Don]

The whole issue of the BLM movement's perception to the majority of nonblacks... is the stereotype that all black Americans are one monolithic group, and we all blindly play the game of "follow the leader" to each other.

Like any other ethnicity, us black Americans have a very wide way of thinking amongst our census.

But too many nonblack people, think the "loud few" radical people of the BLM movement, are the thought process of EVERY black American that they encounter and come into contact with.

Simply untrue. I am born and raised in America, born by two black parents (as in there is no biracial-factor to what i'm saying). I very much disagree with the black supremacist hijacking the BLM movement, and ruining the overall message to the masses. Makes me sick. :-/

[helloitsmethere]

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[RainbowFanGirl]

Exactly... Is that so hard to understand? A few thugs do not represent us all.

[Courtney90]

@RainbowFanGirl

So why do a few bad cops represent all cops. That's what it seems like to me.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Courtney90 I already know that lmao
That's not what it's about at all.

[Wulfila]

"That's what Blue Lives Matter is, a Defense of Corruption."

And I say the exact same thing about Black Lives Matter:

It's a defense of corruption, specifically mainstream black culture which has been rotting for decades, because people within it refuse to do anything substantive about crime, gang violence, drug trafficking, objectification of women, dissolution of the family, and growing disrespect for any type of authority. (BLM doesn't seem too keen on addressing these issues, because then they wouldn't be able to blame racist, trigger happy cops for everything, now would they?)

Do you know whom has to constantly deal with the festering sores that many inner city ghettos have become? Law enforcement, a group that I don't even particularly like. Now, why are there so many badges patrolling around these neighborhoods? Simple: more crime, more officers needed to deal with it. And, more cops means more chances for escalation and police overreaction. If there were less crime in these black sectors, then there would be fewer cops and fewer civilian (and police) deaths. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Now, I've heard some BLM folks propose abolishing the police force and turning over security of a neighborhood to its citizens. Ya know what? I'm fine with that. I say, go for a 24 month moratorium on police activity of any kind in an area if the blues aren't wanted there. (There's no police brutality if there are no pigs around, right?) After the two year period, if residents want the fuzz back, then they'll resume their jobs. It's that simple. This way, community success or failure will be contingent on the people.

Of course, for such an experiment to work, communities of color would have to sincerely address their own cultural corruption issues, something that I don't foresee happening. You know, despicable acts like these:

www.knoxnews.com/.../...p-358243140-355833211.html

www.nydailynews.com/.../...k-bed-article-1.2331544

www.chicagotribune.com/.../...-20160907-story.html

As long as they aren't willing to fix their own problems, cops aren't going anywhere.

[bbch25]

You're right with everything you've written I think.
Especially what you propose, it'd be an interesting test but I'm sure if it failed and people truly want to keep ignoring their own issues they may still find ways to blame others. That's something humans (of all races) can do well.

@hellionthesage Another one you may like.

[hellionthesage]

I agree well stated. Profiling by the police does occur but its never addressed why? The reason is because most crime comes from black neighborhoods and people. 52% of all murders in the US are commited by blacks, despite them making up only 12% of the population. So when it comes down to it of course they are going to immediately look towards the black community and immediately be more aggressive because they have every reason to be. This is why their is conflict to begin with, the black community is not holding itself accountable and a lot of people are letting them get away with it. You would never see some one making excuses for whites doing the same things you see in the black community and the more these protests groups start blaming cops the more violence their is going to be because the police's power comes from two things the threat of violence and actual violence and when you do not acknowledge or respect the threat the only thing left is the violence.

[Anonymous]

You see the very same thing with the military. They are a group bred to follow orders and to defend and support their fellow 'brothers and sisters.' It's not a bad thing, because they need that in their line of work where you're literally depending on someone to possibly save your life... but it's so ingrained in these people to just back each other and defend each other that when someone is corrupt on the force or in the military, there is often no recourse because to report means you're a snitch and no one wants someone ratting on a fellow officer because even though there could be miles of evidence, that means to other officers that you can't keep your mouth shut, you want to stir the pot, you don't have their back, and in the future, it may mean to them that you may be potentially ratting on the small things and getting them in trouble and being a 'bad soldier' or a 'bad partner.'

NO ONE has a whistle blowers back in their line of work, and if they do, they do it silently and behind closed doors because to support someone trying to out the truth is to basically sign up and say you also do the same which to the public sounds like a good thing because we help get bad cops off the force or bad soldiers and officers out of the military, but it doesn't translate within even if evidence is glaring, even if that guy is a pedophile, even if that woman killed someone in cold blood... it doesn't matter, inside the force, they treat you like you're the enemy out exposing people and not protecting your line brothers and sisters.

[Flames_864]

Black lives matter is saying all lives matter that's why its stating ours should matter but the white based culture just shuts it down with this cop lives matter and all lives matter bs. It's such a disgrace. After so much people start to fight back since no one is freaking listening. Not saying it's right I really would like to just erase all of these labels and racism etc etc. This is probably just a distraction from what the government actually has stirring up for us.

[Waffles731]

I know I know, Preaching to the choir

[Flames_864]

😐 ok then.

[IsraelJordan]

It's really amazing all the people still defending police for murdering civilians. There are no excuses for these murders. Even in a fucking WAR ZONE we have escalation of force, we wave people off, shout, warning shots, disabling shots THEN KILL SHOTS. Last fucking resort. NO excuse for these police to just be popping people off for no good reason. It's not even just black people, other races INCLUDING white people (If it's not a black guy it doesn't blow up on the media) get killed by police and they didn't even commit a crime. This needs to end.

[Riggers]

I suppose it depends where you live really, obviously countries like the Americas have a much much much greater issues then say European cops, (mostly because ours aren't armed other then specialist teams like the European equivalent of SWAT teams, street cops don't carry guns).

So, I suppose this is only really an issue in countries where cops have the power to be corrupt, what's the worst they can do here, write you a strongly worded note in their notebook?😂

[Waffles731]

Yeah, To be frank lately I've been wondering why Canada is doing better when they have the same circumstances
Police prejudice against certain minorites yet not problems on this level; Check First peoples and Blacks
Semi-auto rifles and some handguns civilian legal yet not really any mass shootings; Check
And i've come up with Healthcare system and a more effective war on poverty.
Also I bet your cops are glad they don't have to deal with the meth epidemic thats hitting the U. S and Canada

[Riggers]

Aye, bud, you really outa move somewhere else, 😂

[Waffles731]

Nah, As much as the healthcare system is better up there I'll be damned if move out of this state before I at least get my undergrad.
Seriously, Massachusetts has the best colleges in the world, literally, both Harvard and MIT are here and while I can't get into them, even the state schools of Massachusetts provide a damn fine education and look fairly good on a resume.
When a State University looks good on a resume...

[Waffles731]

Plus, I'm not willing to put up with Canadian weather.

[Fathoms77]

Just so I'm clear:

It's okay to have a Black Lives Matter movement despite the obvious violence and problems in the black community, but it's NOT okay to have a Blue Lives matter movement despite some of the corruption.

"CORRUPT. COPS. ACT. LIKE. CRIMINALS. WITH. A. BADGE."

And there are plenty of black people, even Black Lives Matter protesters, who have either acted in a criminal fashion WHILE protesting or are already felons. So shouldn't they be discounted as well and we should shut up about both? Or is this just more liberal double standard fun? :P

[Waffles731]

Blue Lives matter is a direct reaction to black lives matter.
Thats what it is, and since the point of black lives matter is to protest police brutality.
I think that Blue lives matter is just fucking disgusting

[Waffles731]

Essentially, Blue Lives matter people see, things like Alton sterling, a man subdued and on the ground be shot by police who have a record of excessive force and say, 'cops are the REAL victims here can't you see that'

[Waffles731]

Its not a double standard its that the fact is that statistically its the safest time in history to be a cop.
They REALLY do not need a movement

[Fathoms77]

I see. And the instances of those cops getting shot for no reason earlier this year is? And perhaps it's the safest time to be a cop because most of them are doing their jobs properly? And we can use the word "disgusting" to promote the lives of those who serve the populace, but such a word can't be used to describe some of these Black Lives Matter protesters who are saying and doing the most filthy, racist things anyone has ever heard... and if anyone says anything against it, they're automatically racist?

Well then, okay. :P

[Waffles731]

". And the instances of those cops getting shot for no reason earlier this year is? "
People were pissed at cops for shooting a man subdued already on the ground,
Was it right, Not at all.
Was it expected, Yeah it really was

[Fathoms77]

WTF. That sounds like you're CONDONING what happened, my friend. And I'm waiting on answers to my other questions.

[Waffles731]

I'm not condoning it,
I'm just saying you can't expect that everyone is going to be peaceful
There are going to be nutjobs who will kill random people because they are in the same line of work.
"And we can use the word "disgusting" to promote the lives of those who serve the populace, but such a word can't be used to describe some of these Black Lives Matter protesters who are saying and doing the most filthy, racist things anyone has ever heard... and if anyone says anything against it, they're automatically racist?"
There are plenty of cops who aren't disgusting, but this blue lives matter thing isn't about them, its a reaction to people saying black lives matter when a cop shoots someone unjustifiably.
And yes, there are absolutely SOME racist people who protest, however till we solve the whole police brutality against minorities issue, that other issue gets shelved

[Fathoms77]

Okay, that's fine. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. :) Personally, I think we're a tweak away from people attacking cops in the street for no reason other than they're cops. And when that starts happening, I'm outta this country... and that would hardly be the only reason I leave, at that point.

I don't agree at all that either "movement" should really exist in the first place, so whatever.

[CHARismatic110]

I wonder what you would have said had this been a Take about BLM needing to shut up. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you probably would have agreed.

[Fathoms77]

@CHARismatic110 No, that's just a racist assumption, which sort of proves my point above.

[CHARismatic110]

Lol assumption? Maybe. Racist? Not at all. I'm sorry but from what I see, every chance you get, you crucify BLM.

[Fathoms77]

@CHARismatic110 Uh... I've never said a word about it. I don't even notice it.

[somebodysaycheese]

Black lives matter is funded by Goerge Soros. Black man named King D Seals during the Ferguson protests tried to tell people this wasn't a black vs white it was much bigger than that and that BLM wasn't to be trusted. He talked about how the media is creating anger , fear and seperating the people.
He spoke out against Goerge Soros. He got a following and he was found shot in the dead in his car and it was lit on fire.
Hell even im talking too much.

[JRICHARDS1996]

This is why CCW is that much more important. The men in uniform have proven time and time again that they are incapable of defending us without screwing up. We have to bear the burden of our own protection ourselves. Frankly, I would feel safer surrounded by a group of concealed carriers than I would police. Statistically speaking, they are that much less likely to screw up. The training they have to undergo surpasses that of many police departments.

[Saoirse_Nua]

I will give same answer to the two takes that are here - There are rights and wrongs on both sides - Be glad you have freedom of speech to peacefully protest - There does need to be change in the police etc but also I think a frustrated lashing out is the best way to achieve it - BLM is an issue that affects us all whether they are black or blue or All lives BUT there has to be understanding on the Blue/All side that Blacks are the main ones being discriminated against.

[Library]

We all know that all lives matter (except the criminals), but it's annoying when people say blue lives matter (or all lives matter) just to minimize the importance of black lives matter.

[EmoKate97]

This is all just too sad. I wish we could just stop it already, but i know we can't. I get that there are wrongs that need to be corrected but i wish everyone just got along. So sad...

[Redstang88]

What are you saying, police lives don't matter?
There are bad people, as there are in any profession. Given them trust and comradery that the job requires, it makes it tough to throw your own under the bus. But it does happen, far more than you probably realise. But that doesn't change the fact that most officers are good people doing a difficult job. Blue Lives Matter was started in support of police dealing with these thugs rioting when an officer does their job.
Police are heroes, putting their lives on the line every day for people who sooner hit them than thank them. Anyone who doesn't appreciate them is nothing more than a waste of good oxygen.

[Waffles731]

Really, cause there was A LOT of camradery to Adrian Schoolcraft and all the other good cops when they reported the bad things,
There are plenty of good cops but there are also plenty of bad ones and lately, I'll give it fifty -fifty, and this is coming from someone who actually knows and whose dad is friends with my towns ex-chief of police

[takumii]

Bullshit bullshit everywhere.
We don't give a fuck about cops please.

Remember , we got our own guns because we think our cops were incompetent in the first place.

So people should stop playing the sympathy card and cliche the
*insert group here* life matters

[Anonymous]

Yes, I agree man!

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[Zombie_Killer_Redux]

The police are fighting a war with both hands tied behind their backs, So without the proper support or equipment they are gonna go to tragic ends to deal with the scumbags anyway they can.
But no matter how much corruption there is in any police department, It doesn't excuse or make dangerous black criminals into heroes and it will never justify all the actions of BLMs.

[Thisperson98]

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[Anonymous]

Using YOUR logic, BLM doesn't defend innocent civilians gunned down for no reason, they defend career criminals and thugs with rap sheets who get killed while assaulting police (Mike Brown) or threatening them with a gun (guy in Milwaukee). That's what BLM is, a Defense of Thugs.

See how illogical both arguments are?

[Opinion Owner]

The difference is that Blue Lives Matter are defending the GOOD cops, while Black Lives Matter are defending everyone regardless of whether they deserve it or not. They are literally making martyrs out of career criminals... the same guys who were harming their own communities.

[Opinion Owner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r38ncyrAFJs

Skip to an hour and 13 minutes to see the driver finally pull over in his hood, where he is greeted by a crowd of fellow black people who treat him like a celebrity for leading police on a long chase all over Los Angeles.

[Anonymous]

The problem is that there are bad people on both sides

[KINGNIGGA123]

im black and this is just about police hating on other police

[Alex88F]

sorry to say but 1312 all day err day at least down there.
there are some good cops, but they either are too good to be cops or either too soft for their job. which i recognize its an hard job