Why Women Are Responsible For the Breakdown of Relationships

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Yes, I do believe that it's mostly women who have destroyed the family unit and life-long marriage, but I also believe that women are the ones who can fix it.

For thousands of years, people understood that strong family units were necessary for the good of human civilization. A loving husband caring and providing for his wife and children was something to be cherished. It was never seen as something oppressive. However, in just a few decades, marriage and family in the western world has become obsolete. This didn't happen by accident. Only a fool would think that. There has been a concerted effort by those in power to destroy the family. And I'll explain how they used women to do it:

It's quite simple really: Feminism, the sexual revolution, and the change in the divorce laws. Feminism claimed to be about equality, but at the same time it was also a rebellion against the institution of marriage. Feminism encouraged young women to believe that they would be happier in the workplace, rather than being full-time mothers with a loving husband. Feminism encouraged young women to believe that sex should be separated from marriage and that being single and promiscuous was liberating.

For anyone to claim that feminism is only about equality is a big fat lie. If you research 1960's feminism, you will discover that it was also an attack on marriage and motherhood. Around this time, there was also a change in family laws. Most of the power was handed over to the wife, and fathers were eventually stripped of their rights. Women were now free to commit adultery and still get full custody of the children, and very often their husbands property. When these changes were made, divorce rates dramatically increased, and most divorces were instigated by women. Today, about 80% of divorces are done by women.

The end result of all this is a society that puts sex, pleasure, and greed above love and commitment. The government has now replaced the role of fathers and husbands, so there is no need for men to grow up and take responsibility. Men no longer feel needed or respected like they use to be, so they can now avoid marriage and just use women for sex. Now, if you are happy with all this, then I pity you. But there have been many studies that reveal both men and women are becoming more unhappy.

But the main problem is the brainwashing of the media and education system. From a very young age, young girls and women are indoctrinated with feminist lies. They are encouraged to believe that marriage and motherhood is outdated and that going to university and being single is the best thing for women. And what's sad is that most young women believe all these lies they are fed by man-hating feminists and education bullshit. And the evil people behind this agenda sit back and laugh at the destruction of our society.

So yes, I mostly blame women because women allowed themselves to be sucked into this agenda. Far too many women have used their freedoms and privileges to destroy the family. Women have been brainwashed to seek power instead of love. Instead of empowering men, women emasculate men and become masculine themselves. Depriving themselves of love and marriage, many of these women end up lonely and miserable. Call me old fashioned, but I do believe that women, in general, were much happier when they were at home with their children and having a loving husband. Why on earth would women be happier staying single and a slave to their employer, just to prove that they're a strong independant woman? Why are so many women deluded into believing that love and life-long marriage will make them unhappy?

The truth is, women hold the power. All women need to do is stop sleeping with bad boys and jerks and start seeking nice, genuine men. I know it's easier said than done, but it's still very possible. Secondly, women need to stop using the divorce laws and family courts to screw men over and not to use their kids as a weapon, as so many women do. If women started to do this, more men would be willing to commit and get married and the family unit could be fixed. Women have the power to choose which man gets to sleep with them, so if women continue to sleep with assholes and give up on love and marriage, then the family unit will never be fixed. I wish women could be beautiful again, like they once were, honorable and trustworthy. Love and marriage isn'ta curse, it's a blessing. Women, please become beautiful again and resist the lies and brainwashing of feminism and the media.

[This_is_my_username]

"Women please become beautiful again"

what are we.. playthings? anyways.. we're not the fault of everything I don't understand why some men on this site find it so easy to blame us. It's always Women this.. Women that.. it's raining outside that's a woman's fault! A bird shit on my car.. jee a woman must have done it! Jesus that's a lot of weight to put on our shoulders.

"Men longer feel needed or respected"
Ugh whats your point? They fucked up my coffee order today.. you see me whining about it? Just because you're A MAN doesn't mean you should be automatically respected. Respect is earned. Not handed out like candy on Halloween. Needed? ofc men are needed. Just like women are needed.

Everyone should be cared for and treated equally. But starting here. Blaming it on one sex... for everything is definitely not the start.

Feminism shouldn't be the brunt of anger and hate when shit goes awry anon.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

But you did not attempt to disprove or argue against anything I said. What I have said is the truth. It's based on facts. All you did was respond with emotion and anger, which is what usually happens.

[MargaritaPeach]

I'd have to agree with you. We're beautiful just the way we are.

[This_is_my_username]

I feel bad for you son i got 99 problems but blaming shit on women ain't one!

i didn't fight it because I know men like you on this site.. your opinion is set in stone. Why should i waste my breath on someone/something futile. And you'll just say well... what you said. Or say some random shit to form a sentence throw the word depression in and boom call it a day.

It's not based on facts. You wrote a take on GAG dude. I don't see any statistics, polls, any scientific evidence nothing. Just YOUR OPINION. Which you're entitled too. I don't see you doing any good for the world with bitter resentment towards one whole sex.

[This_is_my_username]

@MargaritaPeach we are indeed! :)

[This_is_my_username]

by the way @Love_Is_Eternal your alias is ironic

[Love_Is_Eternal]

If you got off your lazy ass and did a bit of research you would discover that feminism was indeed a rebellion against marriage and family. You will also discover that about 80% of divorces are indeed done by women. You gave no arguments but instead responded with emotion, which is what always happens with people who don't care about the truth.

[MargaritaPeach]

Well, riddle me this: in America, traditional households with working dads and stay at home moms abound in the state of Utah. They are largely conservative, with a focus on families. Women are encouraged to stay home and raise large families rather than enter the workforce. Yet the suicide rate there for women is significantly higher than anywhere else in the country. How do you account for that?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@MargaritaPeach I don't know. All I know is that since the breakdown of the family, suicide and mental illness has increased dramatically. And there have been multiple studies that have revelaed that people in strong marriages are generally happier than those who are single. It's natural for both men and women to want love and commitment. It's only the feminists who want to be alone and miserable.

[MargaritaPeach]

Aahhh... the key words that you spoke there are "people in strong marriages". Yes, people in strong marriages are happy. But kids are not a requisite for string and happy marriages, and neither is the woman being a housewife. A career woman can still build a string, happy marriage. Staying home to raise babies and do all the chores does not necessarily make you a good wife.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@MargaritaPeach Yes, that is true, but in general the majority of women do want children at some point in their lives.

[Tanith]

Based on facts? What facts? Do you have any evidence to back up anything you said? Like, say, stats regarding how happy women reported themselves to be now vs 50 or 100 years ago? Or anything at all really?

[Tanith]

How lucky that we have men to tell us what we want.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Tanith I actually saw a poll the other day which was shown on the BBC in the UK that revealed the vast majority of women want children, and that has been my experience for over 20 years. It's only the miserable feminists who don't want children. These are the same women that kill babies in the womb.

[Tanith]

Link to the poll then. Presumably that would only be of women in the uk, and without seeing it I don't know what the demographic breakdown is (was there a good range of age, economic and cultural backgrounds represented, and a reasonable number of respondents?). You can't speak for all women. Heck I'm a woman and wouldn't presume to do that, a man definitely shouldn't. Re. Abortion, women choose abortions for a number of different reasons. It is incorrect to assume that a woman who has an abortion doesn't want children ever. It only means she didn't want to have a child at that time. Many women who have abortions go on to have babies later. Others already have children before their unwanted pregnancies.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Tanith Ok, i'll turn the tables. Give me the evidence that most women DON'T want children. Show me the evidence. And abortion is murder, no excuse for it.

[juliaanita]

That you say something is true doesn't make it true. It makes it only your distorted opinion. The "facts" above (I can't really believe I used that word with the crap you wrote) is pablum only, and not worthy to spend any time to disprove or argue with. I take this time to respond to your little diatribe, love_is_eternal, only to make note of how ignorant you are.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@juliaanita Either you are very stupid or very dishonest. I see women all around me having babies. Almost every woman I've across for the last 20 years eventually want to have children. Provide your evidence or just get lost.

[MargaritaPeach]

The evidence is showing in your lasts few census polls! Numbers don't lie. Women are having less xhilsr

[MargaritaPeach]

*children (stupid phone!). We are giving birth to less children because less women want to be mothers. And the ones that do want children don't want as many of them. Children come at enormous cost for women physically. Raising them is labor-intensive. For 20 years. And they are a lifetime investment financially, emotionally, and socially. It's far different for men. They can disconnect and walk away any time they want.

[juliaanita]

you are the one making erroneous conjectures. I do not make claims therefore do not have an obligation to present to you any evidence. On the contrary you make statements, claim they are factual, and provide ridiculous anecdotal evidence. The only claim I would make is that it is you who is very stupid or very dishonest. That IS a fact. The prima facie evidence (for which you asked) is your moronic diatribe above.

[Tanith]

I never claimed that most women don't want children. I haven't made any claims about what most women want. As I said, I wouldn't presume to speak for the majority of women. Nor should you. But in any case, that's not how burden of proof works. If you make a claim, you're supposed to back it up, not demand that others disprove it.

[Tanith]

I really don't care about your opinion of abortion. It's up to a woman to decide whether she wants to continue a pregnancy or not. Random men don't get a say in that.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Tanith But God does, and on judgment day people who support abortion will go to hell.

[castratedwhiteguy]

I agree!

[MargaritaPeach]

So let me ask you a few thing s: are you married? Working to support a wife who stays home and raises your children? What percentage of the chores do you do, or how many hours a week do you spend doing household chores? How many children do you have? Have you ever been a stay at home parent while your wife or partner worked? And are your parents still married, if they are still living?

[MargaritaPeach]

@Love_Is_Eternal

[Lightning8]

It's not even so much about "housewives".

We're doing something that is ultimately selfish and consumerist. I say that because no one pays attention to the fact that fathers are key to a child's healthy development, and around 80% of households are single parent.

Each change we make has a complex ripple effect, but it can be said the mother is the link between the father and the child. It's well and good that women are ambitious, but that puts more stress on men to be "equal or better", yet "open minded". It also raises women's expectations not only short term, but long term such that they're far more likely to initiate divorce. Then add social media, reality shows and Oxygen (lol).

We prioritize our personal feelings of happiness over long term commitment and separate the ideas of monogamy and commitment to get serial monogamy. I call it psuedo monogamy. We feel it's our right to constantly pursue "happiness", but at who's expense?

At the very least, it seems to be at the expense of children.

[Anonymous]

This is why I abandoned American women.

[Idonthaveausername]

I have to say that I agree with the majority of what you wrote their. I do enjoy the right to vote and being able to work, but there's a lot of so-called "women's rights" that are really just ways to legally justify selfish actions.

Women complain about not finding good men who are attractive and nice, but they refuse to look in the mirror and see themselves with the same eyes they view men with. When girls lower their standards to sleep with many men outside of marriage, it causes men to view marriage as less sacred than they would if women held higher standards for themselves and men.

My mother abused the court system in my parents' divorce 20 years ago. I believe my life would have been immensely different if the court system had not been swayed in her favor. Our court system needs to have the best interest of the children in mind, not the mother. Some mothers aren't fit to raise their own children.

But I don't think all of the blame is on women. I think an equal amount of the blame is on men for allowing this kind of behavior to take control. If all men treated all women with respect rather than taking advantage of the women who don't respect themselves, they could help to proactively fix this problem. And there are a great number of men who just need to wear condoms when they're screwing girls they don't want to have children with. If you didn't get a girl pregnant, you wouldn't have any children to walk out on.

I agree with a number of your points, but I feel it is a little one-sided.

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Absolutely correct opinion. !! For your age you hit it mostly on the nail. (An equal of the blame is on men for allowing this type of behavior to take control ). Is also so true and correct.

[Idonthaveausername]

@Djaaaaay
Thank you. My family had a lot of issues growing up and we all had to go to therapy for it for several years. I learned early on that everyone has their own side of why something went wrong and problems are NEVER one-sided. No matter how much you think you did everything right, there was always something you could have done to not upset the other person. Sometimes you need to upset people, but you still need to take the responsibility in that situation for the part you played.

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Exelent. !! you definitely have a great out look on life. Believe me , you'll do just fine , never let anyone sway your great character. 😊

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Thanks for your reply, and I agree that the men today are pathetic as well. But how could men have stopped it? Men had no control over feminism and the media and the family court laws. The reason I put most of the blame on women is because women hold the power when it comes to sex. Of course there are a lot of asshole men who just want to get laid amnd put it about, so why do the women have to open their legs to them and get pregnant? Women could refuse these loser men sex, and wait until they found a decent guy who was looking for love and marriage. As long as women keep allowing the bad men to sleep with them, things will never improve. There are plenty of good men who don'twant to use women for sex, but women keep allowing the bad men to get between their legs. Women hold the power, so yes, I hold them mostly responsible.

[MargaritaPeach]

I think the way men could have stopped it would have been to remember that their wives have needs and desires too--ones that go beyond being a wife and mother. We are more than just baby makers. Believe it or not, we deserve to be happy and enjoy our lives just as much as you do. I know you have said in response to some of our replies that we are just responding with emotion. That may be partly true, but the reason we get emotional about this issue is that you are minimizing our lives and the importance of our true happiness. You are basically saying that women exist to serve men, and that we should be thrilled about that. We shouldn't want for anything more. That we should be delighted to put aside our dreams in order to assist you in achieving all of yours. Unfortunately, women grew tired of that life years ago. We are done with sacrificing ev

[MargaritaPeach]

*everything to give you a beautiful home and beautiful children only to be thrown out like yesterday's garbage when we grow older, just so you can sleep with younger women once we have successfully raised your children. Unfortunately, a good marriage that makes both parties equally happy requires a very difficult balance. And when men cheat, they disrupt that balance. You were born about 50 years too late. Our patience with men's infidelity ran out, I think. Guess you can thank your forefathers for that. :)

[Djaaaaay]

@MargaritaPeach The Bible says what a woman's duties should be , along with what a mans duty is in life is quite clear. Under all respect , I'm going with the Bible and Gods instructions rather than a woman's or mans point of view .

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@MargaritaPeach You are twisting things. I never said women should just serve men. What more could men have done? They went out to work, often in dangerous jobs, and provided for their families and did whatever they could to keep their families strong. What more could they have done? Allowing women to sleep around and destroy the family was the wrong kind of liberation. So tell me, what more could men have done? You seem very selfish.

[Idonthaveausername]

Everybody calm down!

Women are more emotional than men--that's a fact and it has to do with chemical and hormonal makeup of the brain. I agree that many men are insensitive to female emotions. They think we're overreacting, and we might be, but that's not necessarily something we can control

I once had a couple come in at work who was married for like 70 years or something and the husband said the secret to a happy marriage is the wife is always right. That's because the best way to deal with someone who is insane, mentally ill, or completely emotional or hormonal is to agree with said person

Many men do not take this advice and create rifts in their relationships by always having to get the last word in to feel justified in their actions. There is no justification in marriage, only compromise. If the less emotional party (usually the man, but in some cases the woman) can not accept or diffuse the situation, it can lead the other or both to feel insecure about the relationship

[Idonthaveausername]

@Djaaaaay
@MargaritaPeach
While I do believe that marriage is something that belongs to the church and not the government, I am not religious, and don't have faith in OR use the Bible seriously. A lot of people I know and am related to use religion as an excuse for abuse and to be horrible human beings. Going to church every Sunday to repent does not forgive you of beating your children and wife. Please leave the Bible out of this discussion. Thank you.

Other than being more sensitive to female emotions, Men certainly need to stop becoming alcoholics, beating their children and wives, and walking out on them and also cheating. No not all men do this, but it has become a big enough problem for some women to think all men do and for women to press the issues of changing divorce laws. Don't be blind these issues. My family has dealt with them for generations.

And as for the women sleeping around, I already agreed they need to keep their legs closed

[Idonthaveausername]

Obviously the breakdown in relationships over the last 40-50 years (divorce laws took a huge turn in the 70s) has left both parties hostile and lonely. You can't retain animosity for the other side if you hope to fix the situation. You might be out spewing one-sided nonsense when the love of your life walks by, but he or she will walk right on past you rather than want to deal with someone who hates their entire gender.

We all need to focus more on meaningful relationships and proving our worlth to the other party

[Tanith]

@Djaaaaay The bible is not relevant to the not religious. Don't expect everyone to act according your beliefs.

It also says that disobedient children should be stoned to death, that one shouldn't wear clothing made from two different types of cloth, that women should be forced to marry their rapists... all kinds of things that are now considered morally abhorent or simply irrelevant to modern life.

[Tanith]

Nope, it is not a "fact" that women are more emotional than men. When men become aggressive and commit acts of violence, which they're statistically more likely to do, they're being emotional. Men are socialised not to show certain emotions (eg. not to cry in public) but that doesn't mean they don't have them. Women are shamed for showing emotion too, and dismissed as being irrational if they become upset, but that doesn't mean they are more emotional, or emotional more often, just that a bigger deal is made of it when they are seen to be. Both men and women are affected by our hormones, and we can all be emotional, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

I was going to add a link but I can't - there's a psychology today article you might want to check out called "Are Women More Emotional than Men?" (spoiler: no, not really).
" Men could be described as more emotional than women, too. It depends on the type of emotion, how it is measured, where it is expressed, and lots of other facto

[Idonthaveausername]

@Tanith
I get that some women in your family have been abused, but they didn't do themselves or you any justice by staying with their abusers. You seem to be extremely angry and hostile towards men. I think you'd benefit from letting go of some of this. What happens to you isn't necessarily your fault, but it is your problem. Stewing in anger and hostility isn't a healthy way to deal with your problems.

I wasn't saying that men are not emotional. Man can be quite emotional at times but, like you said, they are taught by society to regulate their emotions better than women. Therefore women become hysterical and break down crying more often than men. Men can handle their emotions in a more effective manner than women. It may not be healthy for the to bottle up their feelings, but it would cause less arguments and less harmful things would be said if women controlled their emotions better than they currently do.

[Tanith]

Ah, that old chestnut "why didn't she leave?" Leaving is not an easy thing to do if a woman has no resources and nowhere to go. In fact it is very dangerous. In almost all cases where women are murdered by their intimate partners it is when they tried to leave. I wish I could post links, try the dvip Iowa for some stats on this in the US. Furthermore in cases where there is psychological abuse a woman may no longer have the self esteem to recognise the need to leave. Hard to understand if you haven't been in that situation, which is where listening comes in instead of making assumptions.

Saying that women are emotional or angry is so often used as a way of dismissing what they have to say. No, I'm not particularly angry or hostile towards men in general, just men who make bizarre sweeping claims about what they think women want or what makes us happy, or who pretend that all problems are caused by women. I'm sure it would suit men if women bottled up their emotions.

[Tanith]

Conversely, it would suit women if men controlled their emotions better and didn't rape and murder women. From the DVIP page I mentioned before, a woman is beaten by her partner every nine seconds.

No, I did not say that men were "taught by society to regulate their emotions better." I said they were socialised not to cry in public. That's not the same thing at all. Crying in public is far from the worst way to express, or even lose control of one's emotions. Try actually reading the article I mentioned.

[Tanith]

@MargaritaPeach 1000X this!

[Idonthaveausername]

@Tanith
Don't assume people haven't been in the situations you've come up with. I said earlier that my family has dealt with these issues for generations. Leaving isn't an easy thing to do, but defending someone who stays will not fix their problem. If every woman left the first time a man hit her, then she wouldn't get stuck in that disgusting mess of abuse, emotion, and commitment.

I don't need to read your article. I understand perfectly where you're coming from, but I'm going to politely disagree with you here. Women do make relationships harder on themselves than they need to and women in general display their emotions far more than men to a point where they become irrational, refuse to listen to logic, and make poor or harmful decisions based on how they feel at the moment.

I already addressed the issue of men raping and abusing their wives and children. My stance hasn't changed nor will it change.

[Tanith]

You said it was a fact that women are emotional. That's simply not true, though of course you are free to ignore the science, but it's kind of hilarious if you do that while accusing women of refusing to listen to logic.

[Idonthaveausername]

@Tanith
Science is fact in theory and numbers, but real-life doesn't always conform to logic, fact, theory, or numbers. I've often been able to find two studies proving contradictory things because each scientist needs to "prove" something in order to get more grants to keep studying things. You can believe all the studies and articles you want, but if you want to improve your relationships in reality, you have to throw out everything that doesn't relate to your situation or is only going to harm it, even if that is a "proven fact."

There is such thing as "the human element" in science. This is because some humans screw up and all humans and their behaviors and situations are different. You can live your life by facts and logic, but you have to accept the human element when you're dealing with something that is completely based on humans screwing up. Science can't give you an answer all the time, especially when something contradicts what science predicted

[Tanith]

That's just word salad. You threw out an opinion and called it a fact. Cop to it.

[Idonthaveausername]

@Tanith
No. Word salad is a symptom of Schizophrenia, an illness I have not been diagnosed with yet, but that I have witnessed from my mother before.

In my experience, and the majority of people I've met and have observed have agreed, women are more emotional than men. I won't deny the findings of the study and their application, but I have the right to disagree with them. I don't have to agree with everything everyone tells me is true if my experiences are contradictory.

As far as you insulting me for throwing out opinions, I am not offended. This is an opinion-based website. If you disagree with me, you are welcome to, but please refrain from insulting me and direct your animosity elsewhere.

[Tanith]

Oops I left a word out, that should have said "MORE emotional". Obviously wouldn't claim we don't have emotions at all lol

[Tanith]

I didn't "insult you for throwing out opinions". I called you on saying that your opinion was a fact. Opinions are not facts, they are opinions.

[Idonthaveausername]

@Tanith
And I simply replied that it's considered a fact among the consensus of our population. This argumentation of semantics isn't going to help anybody sleep better tonight.

[Tanith]

"Considered a fact" incorrectly by people who haven't bothered to look at the science, such as yourself. That a lot of people believe something and repeat it doesn't make it a fact. Do you know what a fact is, by definition?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Tanith is someone who denies facts. I wouldn't waste my time with her.

[Anonymous]

It sounds to me like what you are implying is that a woman is somehow obligated to dedicate her entire adult life to caring for her husband and to raising however many children he wants. A blur of pregnancy, childbirth, struggling to lose the baby weight only to get pregnant again as soon as you have. An endless lifetime supply of laundry, taking out the garbage, cooking, cleaning, washing dishes, grocery shopping, scrubbing toilets, taking care of the family pets, holding crying babies, cleaning up puke, changing poopy diapers, chasing toddlers, helping children with homework, bathing them twice a day and getting them to school on time. Volunteering for the insufferable PTA and waking up early on Saturdays when you want to sleep in because you kids have soccer and Tai Kwon Do at zero dark thirty in the morning. Waking up at the crack of dawn to make breakfast for the whole household, and staying up until midnight making sure that every need is met. Getting almost zero sleep for 20 years. All while maintaining a healthy weight and looking good for your husband, and making sure his sexual needs are satisfied. Then finding out that he's been sleeping with your kid's baby-sitter while you were busy taking care of his sick mother. Having zero time for yourself. Zero money to pursue any hobbies that you actually care about. Very little attention from your husband. You are bored, lonely, and unappreciated. Overworked, underpaid, and taken for granted. Sleep deprived and overly stressed out. Why, you ask, would a woman want anything else? You think our obligations as a woman prohibit us from the male privileges of money, power, sleep, or a great body not destroyed by pregnancy and childbirth? A social life? An exciting career? Because that's how most men think. They already have all of those things, and aren't pressured to do all the things a woman is supposed to.

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Bitter !!

[Opinion Owner]

@Djaaaaay Not bitter. Just putting into perspective for you what many housewives that am close to lament about. But you of course discount the validity of the desperation in their complaints. Because you've never walked that path.

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner. That's right. I'm always happy in my relationship, from day 1 , with a great woman. Now go read my opinion on the other side.

[Opinion Owner]

@Djaaaaay I am happy, too. Glad that you are. But I am still slightly puzzled as to why the author thinks a woman should be happy and content to stay home and raise children. Not every woman is cut out for that lifestyle--why try to restrict us all to that one role? That's like saying every man should be a lawyer. No one 'job' is a good fit for everyone. And not all women are going to be happy staying home and having a bunch of babies and doing all the chores.

[TheFlak38]

" An endless lifetime supply of laundry, taking out the garbage, cooking, cleaning, washing dishes, grocery shopping, scrubbing toilets, taking care of the family pets, holding crying babies, cleaning up puke, changing poopy diapers, chasing toddlers, helping children with homework, bathing them twice a day..."
And you just confirmed everything the authro of this article has posted. If you're not willing to do all these things out of love for the people you can call family then stay single for life, work like a cute "man" and pretend to be happy, while in reality we all know you suffer from depression.

[Opinion Owner]

@TheFlak38 Oh, my. Wow. So, you honestly believe that any woman who chooses to have a career instead of a family is secretly depressed and is only pretending to be happy? I guess I will try to spell it out for you in simpler terms: Not. All. Women. Are. The. Same.

[TheFlak38]

Yes. All women who seek a career are depressed. I have seen it, you have seen it too I guess no matter how much you don't want to accept it. And I'm talking about women. Not lesbians or "cute men".

[Opinion Owner]

@TheFlak38 you must be rather out of touch with reality. I know a lot of career women who are truly happy and lead exciting, fulfilling lives. And also plenty of them who juggle a career and a family and are perfectly happy with that arrangement, too.

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner I agree with you on that one. But then again you shouldn't even be married because of that reason alone. For those who aren't cut out for that life style , really don't need thier input on marriages. Then again men are just as much to blame for allowing this all to happen as well.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

So what should women do? Give up on marriahe and motherhood, sleep around, be single mothers, and end up lonely by following the radical feminists? Yopu misrepresented and twisted the point of this myTake. But I knew women would do this. They NEVER attempt to have a logical discussion about these things, but instead respond with emotion and completely ignore my points.

[Opinion Owner]

@Djaaaaay I am pretty much speechless at this point. Both of you feel that a woman should only be allowed to marry if she gives up her goals, dreams and aspirations and stays home to make babies? Plenty of marriages are about being in love, not necessarily about increasing the world's population. Why anyone would think marriage should be reserved strictly for baby making is beyond me.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

And I never said you should get married and be a mother. If you want to stay single and be a fulltime worker then you have that choice. My point, which you missed, was that there is a concerted effort by the media, government, and feminists to brainwash women into believing that the workforce will make women happy but love and marriage will make them miserable and oppressed. That's the point I was making.

[Opinion Owner]

I kind of get what you are saying. At least Cosmo magazine seems to spew that message! I grew up in a super conservative and religious household where marriage and family are the focal point of everything. So I don't think of it as being bad, I think of it as a blessing. At the same time, I believe everyone has the right to follow whatever path makes them happy. We are all different, and being a stay at home mom is NOT something everyone is cut out for. Having kids is not the obligation of a woman, which seems to be the message that the other two

[Opinion Owner]

@Djaaaay and @TheFlak38 seem to subscribe to. "You shouldn't even be married for that reason alone". Until now I was not aware that some other man on another part if the planet reserves the right to decide whether or not I deserve have a marriage based on whether or not I have kids.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Again, not once did I say that every single woman has to get married and have children. The whole point I was making is that the whole system is set up to encourage women to avoid marriage and motherhood and go into the workforce. The government, the feminists, and the media just can't leave women alone. From a young age they target girls and young women to brainwash them and poison their minds. The system we live in does not encourage love and commitment, it encourages the opposite. Why not just leave women alone. Why brainwash them to see marriage and motherhood as something bad or oppressive?

[Opinion Owner]

Here is what I truly believe is at the core of that movement: women. Women who spent their childhood witnessing how oppressive it can feel when you are a homemaker. Two things lie at the core of that: a deep desire to bear children and then love and nurture them vs. a growing awareness that these children need to be provided for. See, when you stay at home and don't work, you aren't bringing in any money. Which means you are largely dependant on someone else to provide for your offspring. And that is a terrifying feeling. Even moreso when you grew up in a home where your father walked out on you mom and left your household in poverty. So the short answer to your question is that when men walk out on their families, it scars those kids for life. And those kids grow up to push a feminist agenda that will give them control over their own destiny. No one wants to be left at the mercy of another, wondering every day if this is going to be the day that he walks out and it all falls apart.

[Tanith]

Yes. I would add to that also that women who stay home and card for their husband and children don't get superannuation. They can work for decades and end up with nothing of their own. The fastest growing demographic among the homeless in Australia is women in their 60s

[Love_Is_Eternal]

That's not true. Women were already working before feminsim. The feminist movement was a rebellion against the instituition of marriage. The leading feminists hated men and the traditional family. They encouraged women to believe that being single and promiscuous was liberating, and that being a mother was a pathology. It went much deeper than just "equal rights." And by the way, before feminism, there was laws in place to protect women. A husband couldn't just divorce his wife and leave her and his children destitute. No. He still had to make sure she was financially secure. This is another lie of feminists, the lie that men could just do whatever they wanted. Not true. Most men never filed for a divorce. They kept the family strong. Feminism came along and ripped it apart, with the help of the government and family courts. And even after all this time women like you still can't see it. So sad.

[Tanith]

So you think people should stop telling women what to do, and your solution is to tell women what to do.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Tanith Not at all. I'm saying that in order for the family unit to be fixed, women need to change.

[Djaaaaay]

Your absolutely wrong about me... I'm completely retired at age 18 . I do wrk all the time , but don't need to. I have all the time in the world to help my girl with whatever is needed , including children. My girls free to do as she damn well pleases in our relationship. We together do the cooking , the chores laundry , shopping, everything under sun !! I have only one expectation of her. Be herself. So I don't fit in your description of guys your talking about. And by the way... what me and my girl does in our relationship, is totally the opposite of traditional marriage. !! As for the other guy you mentioned... well I get it

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner

[Tanith]

How exactly is that not telling us what to do? Not to mention telling us what we want. Not so big on asking and listening though apparently.

[Tanith]

@TheFlak38 wow! Our choices are domestic drudgery or being single for life? Can you seriously not vice ice of any other options there?

[TheFlak38]

@Tanith Go enjoy your derpessed career life.

[Opinion Owner]

You are right about one thing in that most of them never filed for divorce. They didn't file. They just walked out one day and left their wives there to raise the children alone. Things got tough, and they bailed. It's still happening today, although more people file since the government is in everybody's business. I don't think women ruined families. You are placing blame in the wrong area. What is destroying or dissuading the kinds of people that you are referring to is the fact that society has made it nearly impossible to make it in today's society on one salary alone. And greed is responsible for that tragedy--certainly not feminism. GREED.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tanith Exactly.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Men couldn't just walk out. There were laws in place to compel men to financially provide for their families. Feminism came along and tore the family aopart with the help of the government. Women arefull of pride and hardly ever accept blame. So yer, I do blame women because they were the ones, mostly, who destroyed the family.

[Opinion Owner]

Tell that to the millions of children whose fathers walked out on them. Yes, millions. Let that sink in. Law or no law, men have been walking away from their family responsibilities and staying over somewhere else for generations. It takes two to make a marriage work, but when little girls grow up jaded from having been abandoned, they don't forget it. Men had it made for a long time and then they blew it for the rest of you. Cheating, domestic abuse, abandonment, and ungratefulness all caught up to you, and now you guys are mad because the tables are turning. So sorry that we aren't your servants any longer. But blame the men that screwed it up for you, not the women who are becoming wise to your outdated ways. :)

[Sara413]

What's with the conflating of marriage and motherhood here? Plenty of people marry who don't have or plan to have children.

And what is so hard for you guys to accept about the fact that life isn't a one size fits all type of thing? Being a stay at home mother is great for some women, not for others. Feminism is about CHOICE. My sister in law chose to stay home and care for the children while my brother worked to provide for the family. As did my mother. However, both were very happy to have the chance to go back to the workforce once the kids we in school. I have made the choice not to have children, despite having the financial means and a great partner. It just isn't what I want for my life and I know that a life revolving around children would be miserable for me. I have friends who have chosen to have children and go back to the workforce full or part time after their maternity leave ended because that's what works for them.

What has "ruined" the family unit is people trying

[Sara413]

To force others into roles that don't fit them and lifestyles they don't want.

Instead of telling women make choices other than stay at home motherhood that they need to change, try figuring out your own wants and needs and seeking a partner whose wants and needs align with yours.

[Sara413]

There are plenty of women out there who want to be stay at home mothers. They're not extinct. Feminism didn't eliminate that urge... it merely told the rest of us, who don't feel that urge, that we don't have to pretend anymore.

[Opinion Owner]

@Djaaaaay So are you 18, or 56? Your post says one and your profile says the other. You say you are fully retired, but still work every day. It's one or the other, not both. Retired people don't spend all their time working--working people do that. So I am a little confused. But glad to hear that you help out with chores. I am sure that makes your girlfriend happy.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Love_Is_Eternal - you're so right...

[supernerd99]

women with a mindset like your die alone or become 40-50 and their biological clock goes nuts. what you spew is exactly what the feminist ptopaganda indoctrinated women. that they have to become like some men to be "happy". in fact thats what brings misery to women and the world.

[Sara413]

@supernerd99

Getting real tired of bitter dudes telling "women like me" we're gonna die alone because we don't fit your ideal for womanhood.

Newsflash - most of us don't die alone and, frankly, even if we did I'd rather die alone than be in a relationship that forces me to live a life that I don't want.

[supernerd99]

@Sara413 it has nothing to do with you personally. its just how facts about modern reality work. i'm not in the slightest bitter, i know women are the backbone of society and if i were the elite, and wanted to target some group, it would be women. and thats what we witness today... .

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Sara413 The problem with women/feminists like you is that because you're miserable you want every other woman to be miserable, alone, and unhappy.

[Sara413]

@Love_is_eternal

I'm neither miserable or alone, but ok.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Sara413 You sound very miserable

[Sara413]

One of us certainly does...

[redeyemindtricks]

Wow... imagine that. Now that we can make our own living, and don't HAVE to marry early out of pure economic necessity -- and now that housework no longer takes all damn day and all damn night, thanks to modern technology -- we actually want FULFILLING RELATIONSHIPS.

::gasp::

Holy shit!

You might have to offer more than just a paycheck!
You might have to... actually put *effort* into RELATIONSHIPS!

You might have to actually think about what WE want! And what we LOVE, and what INSPIRES us!

Sorry you boys have to step it up.
... Actually not sorry.
Not sorry at all.

[MargaritaPeach]

Ha, ha... love this answer.

[redeyemindtricks]

@MargaritaPeach Men love this answer, too.

That's "men". Not overgrown spoiled little boys like the author of this take.

... Thank you for the kind words. <3

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Another brain dead female who completely ignored the meaning of this myTake

[jacquesvol]

@redeyemindtricks <3 :)

[Scrambledagain]

@redeyemindtricks

Although I also think this take is a pile of Kanye west cd's, I disagree with men putting effort into relationships part.

Maybe for long term but putting in effort during the initial stages is "needy" "desperate" "white knight" etc. that's why good genuine guys get disheartened at this whole thing. The guy who doesn't give a shit gets her into bed on the night (but will probably not be with her long term.., but has the choice) and the good guy scares her away with his "neediness" but would probably be a good long term, but would never get the chance to prove that.

And in today's world... pay check gets you places lol. A guy with cash can get laid a bizzilion times more than the guy without. If I just could make double my salary that I'm earning now... I would solve all my sex problems 😈 And because I have that, I would probably meet a great girl that's sexually compatible with me.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Scrambledagain Guys who don't give a shit... nah.

You're right that guys who give TOO MANY shits don't get laid -- but that's because we don't want to end up with a stalker. Or end up dead, or some shit.
Melodramatic? Possibly... but, some of this is honestly just instinct.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Women are just too complicated and irrational when it comes to sex and dating.

[Scrambledagain]

I don't know why woman equate neediness to creeping.

Lol... I'm sure Oscar Pistorius wasn't that "shy"

... actually I was thinking about this. I should go on a prison tour and get some advice from the inmates there how they deduce women. Both directly (some how these guys who destroyed women attracted them) and those indirect guys like drug dealers who get these babes etc. going to businessmen or even powerful guys like Charlie sheen or politicians outside jail will end up in paying for sex because these guys don't do as well 🤔😂

[redeyemindtricks]

@Scrambledagain Dude, the AVERAGE prison inmate isn't some ladykiller.

If it seems to you that way, then, 3 things

1)
You watch too much sensationalist television. Or you search FOR THESE THINGS on the internet, and then are Shocked! when you find them.

AND

2)
You fail to realize that lots of women have "prison pen pals" because they're the perfect combination:
2a) Such badddd boys
2b) 100.000% SAFE... behind dem prison walls tho
2c) Soooo romantic, in their letters. Because hey, why not? If tehy're also writing to 10 other women, no one will even know!

3)
Most prisoners are from social milieux (yes, I just used the word "milieux"... suck it) where bitches be DESPERATE... because *everyone* is DESPERATE... and so they get pussy to cling to them if they have ANYTHING going for them, including a small-time bullshit crime career. Most rank-and-file criminal gang members make less money than US minimum wage. In Australia, that's like less than 1/3 of minimum wage. But it's SOMETHING.

[Scrambledagain]

That's funny 😂 Suck on my articulation. Pinky up👌🏻

[Abtraction]

what do women offer other than sex? Not much.

The truth is a smart man doesn't want a relationship, most women are toxic.

[TheFlak38]

Excellent article! I have covered this problem in one of mine...

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a28234-explaining-cultural-marxism-what-your-school-will-never-tell-you

And of course all those who dissagree here with you either don't have any argument or they simply say "men are also to blame for that".
Wow, thanks a lot. I didn't think of that. The difference is that this whole war on traditional family is done with propaganda directed specifically at women. The globalist elite knows that women will fall for everything that is trendy and "socially acceptable". Women are at the tip of the spear when it comes to the destruction of whole civilisations. They are asociated with life/power of life giving. We have seen this pattern too many times in history to count. On one hand they preach about feminism and how White men are the world's evil, on the other hand the same feminists support the import of muslim invaders and call for the rape of our women with banners like "Please white men, don't save us if we get raped". In Cologne they even gave flowers to their own rapists. Feminism is anti-women! Case closed!

[Tanith]

You believe women were happier before feminism? You're not going to ask older women about this, or do any actual research, just invent a conclusion and work back from there? Right oh. I suppose all the women of my mother and grandmothers generation who were beaten by their husbands, overwhelmed by the large families they were expected to care for and denied the right to pursue interests in education or careers of their own choosing didn't exist. Also as a woman who us both married and university educated i fond it very odd that you seem to think that woman can only have one if those things, not both.

[rsstanford]

@Shusu just you deserve to get punched in the face for talking like that.

[genuinlysensitive]

I'm sure you, yourself did research about this, asking older women about how they were beaten by their husbands. Because I have yet to find any older women who were. They loved their husbands, and their families. Because I mean if you didn't that would make you such a huge hypocrite, wouldn't it?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

you're a liar

[Tanith]

What exactly do you think I am lying about? Or is that just an easy way to dismiss me without engaging with what I am actually saying?

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive I'm not the one making claims about "most women", apparently pulled out of nowhere. I don't know for certain whether "most women" where happier 50 or 100 years ago, but I do know what other women I know, of my mother's and grandmother's generation have told me. Turns out you can find out what women want if you try asking them. Seems like a no brainer to me but it doesn't seem to occur to some men.

[Tanith]

@Shusu Thanks troll.

[genuinlysensitive]

I have, not just my mother and one grandmother either. I have talked to many older women, have yet to find one who was "suffering" and "hated" or was "overwhelmed" by her family, (the exact opposite in fact! They seem way more happy than modern women!) or one that even knew of a husband hitting his wife. Perhaps you should take your own advice " do any actual research"...

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive I certainly have spoken with women who were overwhelmed by the work they had to do to care for their families (not the families themselves, but the cooking, cleaning, teaching and emotional support, day after day, to the extent that their was no time or energy left for themselves at all). I know old women who were intelligent and wanted an education but were forced to leave school to help their mothers with their younger siblings or "go into service" (paid work to help support their families) and they were not happy about this. I know women who wanted to go to university like their brothers but were not allowed to because money was limited and boys' education was prioritised over girls' regardless of their abilities or desires. They weren't happy about it. I haven't made any sweeping claims about "most women" but there certainly were some women who weren't happy with the way things were.

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive As for domestic violence, well that absolutely existed, it's laughable to suggest that it didn't. Harder to find stats on it from the days when women were discouraged from reporting it and marital rape was not yet illegal, but you can read womens' stories, and reports from hospitals of injuries sustained by housewives that could not have been accidental. Again I can't post links but you might like to check out the past sense project.

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive Another tack you could take would be to look at the lives of women in places where feminism has not yet taken hold. Places where it's considered perfectly acceptable to forcibly "marry" young girls, or where girls and women are still denied an education, or money of their own, or the right to travel unaccompanied. Does having less freedom seem to make them happy? The existence of women and girls who fight against such oppression suggests not. Or you could use some imagination and empathy. Would you, yourself be happy if the only option you were given was to stay at home and care for your partner and children and do housework all day Would? Would you be okay with being denied an education, and expected to "be beautiful" for somebody else according to their standards? What about having no money of your own and no say in how household funds are spent? Would you be cool with not having the right to vote, or drink in a bar unaccompanied by someone of the opposite sex?

[genuinlysensitive]

You are looking at things with jade colored glasses, and putting words in my mouth. I never said it didn't exist, I simply stated it wasn't as widespread as you claimed, that the era wasn't about men hitting women at all, you seem to believe anyone who disagrees with you is somehow pro-wife beating. I have worked with many women from around the world, outside of a few sensationalized news stories in war torn regions it is not "OK" to force marriage on little girls. However you seem to be perfectly fine trying to force your views on everyone else.

I am begining to think you are nothing but a feminist troll, as if you actually talked to older women you would find they loved their families and although at times overwhelmed, loved them more than anything. What is overwhelming is the modern stress that everyone "Must" work 24/7 and God Forbid choosing to be a stay at home mother and wife, you are shamed by feminist fanatics.

[genuinlysensitive]

Also you seem to be intent on accusing anyone who disagrees with you or your radical worldview as somehow being ok with women not voting, or any of the other rights both men and women demanded everyone have. This is absolutely untrue.

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive My radical worldview? What do you imagine that is exactly? I disagreed with the idea in the OP that women were happier before feminism. Is that a radical view? I thought the gist of the post was that the poster thought this was an unpopular idea? Or is my questioning your throwing out of "facts" you don't back up radical? Or was it my saying that men are not more emotional than women, which actually is a fact, backed by science? Please elaborate.

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive I did not say you were pro wife beating. You seem to have missed my point entirely. The time you were harking back to that was supposedly better when women were happier was a time when there was little women could do about it if they were beaten by their husbands (which you seemed to be implying didn't happen), and didn't have the right to vote etc.

How am I forcing my views on anybody? I'm giving my opinions here, the same as anybody else. Nobody is forced to read them.

[Tanith]

@genuinlysensitive Oops I hit enter too early. Again you are assuming you speak for women here. Can you genuinely not imagine that there might be some women who weren't happy with the lack of choice they were given about what to do with their lives, nor with the amount of work left to them alone? Do you really think all women must have the same view about it? Wow. We're not the borg, dude. Our experiences and opinions vary.

Do you consider anybody who disagrees with you a troll?

Fanatics? Disagreeing on a website makes you a fanatic now? Who said people must work 24/7, or that nobody should be a stay at home mother? The point you keep missing is that there should be a choice in it. Women now can choose to be a stay at home mother (I happen to be one, shocking hey?) or not. We get to choose. That choice is a good thing. I'm certainly glad I got to have an education and other options. It seems bizarre to me to have men come along and tell me I'd be happier with less choice.

[Joti_Harrison]

So you believe the current state of society where women are opening their legs to several losers out there due to modern feminist sexual empowerment (more like feminist sexual depravity) rather than starting strong relationships and families with some respect to themselves is better for the society as a whole?

[Jager66]

"You believe women were happier before feminism?"

Not getting involved in the argument here.. Just wanted to point out that they have been measuring this and YES every decade since Feminism women have been less and less happy and continue to be less happy. Men's happiness has remained stable.

[castratedwhiteguy]

@rsstanford No! It's women who think like you who should have been punched in the face going back to the 1960's when feminism first started poisoning our culture. It's to late now though, so why even bother?

[castratedwhiteguy]

Those were the good old days when families actually stayed together and we had a healthy growing birth rate. However, since women have flipped the script, western civilization has entered into a death spiral of broken homes and crashing birth rates. Nice work ladies!

[MargaritaPeach]

@castratedwhiteguy there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet. Why would we need an increasingly higher birth rate? We can't even keep the people we have now alive. Continuing to have even more is just irresponsible.

[Joti_Harrison]

@MargaritaPeach I reckon he meant to say an increase in Unwanted pregnancies and single mothers due to the increase in the amount of women these days who mask being sexually promiscuous with sexual empowerment outside of committed relationships and wedlock.

[MargaritaPeach]

@Joti_Harrison Aahhh. That's entirely possible. In that case, I am very much in support of easier access to birth control. Including permanent birth control. I don't even mind contributing my tax dollars towards it. It's far better than abortion, and infinitely less expensive than raising babies. I am surprised that we haven't done a better job of advocating for better birth control solutions as a global society.

[Joti_Harrison]

@MargaritaPeach Instead of better birth control, how about abstinence, which is safer and wiser don't you think? Asides from pregnancy, girls run the risk of STDs each time they open their legs to some loser who will probably be non-existent in her life within a few months. Why didn't modern feminism teach women this (abstinence) rather than do the far opposite. Do you believe you can spread condoms to every part of the known world? It is far easier and safer to teach women to be careful and avoid sexual promiscuity than go towards your suggestion.

This way in turn men will have to work harder and be more respectful and committed to women, when they can not just sleep around as much as they'd like to. Modern feminism had to go for the direct opposite of this masking sexual depravity and licentiousness as sexual empowerment, akin to animalistic and backwards thinking.

[MargaritaPeach]

@Joti_Harrison Yes, there is definitely many benefits to abstinence. That's one of the things I value about religion, is that it encourages purity and teaches young people respect, self-control and wisdom. Sexual activity is often the result of people being impulsive. When you learn ahead of time about making good decisions, and about the consequences of your actions, you tend to make less rash decisions. And that includes decisions about being sexually active. Abstinence is ideal. And birth control is great for those who choose not to follow that path; whether it's due to personal choice or lack of impulse control. You sound like a smart young lady.

[Joti_Harrison]

@MargaritaPeach Nah I'm a 20 year old guy currently on my Law degree at university who is tired of going on dates with soo many women not worth my precious valuable time. I have studied society and seen that truly traditionalists were not so dumb as we think when certain roles were placed on different genders. The destruction of such stringent principles and value would cause the downfall of society and family (the most fundamental institution in society).

Women were meant to hold sex off of men until they were sure they were serious enough for commitment or marriage. There are a lot of physiological and evolutionary reasons to this in order for there to be proper family life in a society. But nope, both genders nowadays have gone the opposite way.

I on the other hand will wait for a woman who shares the same value as I do, someone that is worth me investing my financial and emotional resources, and won't take it for granted unlike the many promiscuous women out there in the society.

[MargaritaPeach]

@Joti_Harrison ah... sorry for the confusion. I did not check your profile or notice the color of your user name. So, smart young man, then. Sounds like you have valid points and a solid plan in place. Good for you!

[Theodorable]

It may be true that most divorces are commenced by women, but they're divorcing their worthless husbands. -- I disagree. Men also share responsibility for not stepping up to the occasional. Men should make their wives happy. It's part of our obligations. Women have the "power," but in many senses they surrender this power with marriage. Why do some women choose poorly, that's a better question which I'm sure you don't know the answer to. I think you're opinion is only 50% true, at best, or maybe less.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You are aware that in so many cases women will divorce good men who have tried their best?

[Rissyanne]

I married young became a wife... a military wife. Had two children... stayed at home with them. I even homeschooled them for a while. They are both college graduates and are successful. I never really felt part of the feminist movement. I think it is more about women controlling their own lives. Like all the single mothers with no fathers in the home. Unless it's rape... she is in charge of whether or not she gets pregnant. Women just need to be more responsible. Men do to but it is the women who end up with the heartache.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

not true

[Rissyanne]

So you are saying I was not a stay at home mother isn't true? Or what?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

No, the bit where you said it is the women who end up with the heartache is pure bullshit.

[Tanith]

So, you're saying men never walk away from a woman they've gotten pregnant, leaving her a single mother without support? Because obviously that does happen. Like, all the time.

[Rissyanne]

@Tanith I never said that. What I am saying is... for women to take responsibility. Women shouldn't depend on the man for birth control. We need to have control of the situation. We need to decide whether or not we get pregnant.

[Tanith]

I was responding to "Love is Eternal" not you. Sorry for the confusion. He was saying it wasn't true that women are "left with the heartache".

[Rissyanne]

@Tanith ok

[kaylaS91]

A shitload of generalizations, completely overlooking the fact that a relationship involves TWO parties and nobody is forcing you or any man to be in one if he's too bitter, and, not surprisingly, laying ALL the blame on women because you can't handle the fact that the fault may be shared?

I'd advise you to take an actual course in research at the very least before writing another article that you want others to take seriously.

[castratedwhiteguy]

This my take is a boil-down and not a complete dissertation, so generalizations are perfectly acceptable. He did a good job...

[kaylaS91]

@castratedwhiteguy Whether you're writing a full-length essay or just throwing a bunch of nonsensical sentences together doesn't change whether using generalizations as the only form of support to back up your points. This is a complete mess, and is the reason why nobody takes most of the whiney men seriously.

[castratedwhiteguy]

kaylaS91 - Everything this guy said here can be backed up by doing some simple Google searches. In fact, it's probably better that he didn't muddle his message by adding supporting links that nobody will ever bother to check out anyway. I still say that he did a good job, although you may not agree with me.

[jacquesvol]

@castratedwhiteguy

Look, ìt's on Google only says that others too sàid it -> argumentum ad populum fallacy

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@jacquesvol But on Google you can find published studies etc you thick dimwit.

[kaylaS91]

The one saying that something is 100% accurate and the absolute truth simply because it was 'proven' by a study calling naysayers 'dimwits'.
... lol. Oh, the irony. 😑

[Abtraction]

@castratedwhiteguy yep

[CasaNorba]

kick ass article brother, you couldnt of said it any better!

I always knew it was the government who created feminism in order to destroy women's roles as wife/mother so they can instead work and help capitalism reach higher levels. however I dont think women are the only ones who are able to fix this whole new mess and that is what the MGTOW movement is all about. we are here to teach men how to go their own way and try bettering themselves without the need of women. if we men continue to focus on bettering ourselves while rejecting women's presence then you best believe that women will eventually pick up on this thus leaving them no choice to analyze that feminism is doing nothing but harm to them and the whole world that surrounds them

[castratedwhiteguy]

A very good My Take! But judging by the responses from most women here, I'd say that these words of wisdom are falling on def ears. If you notice, the responses from these women all say the same thing, "It's all about ME ME ME ME"! Fuck the family! Fuck the children! Fuck what men think! Fuck society! It's just ME ME ME ME!!!

That's why, for every reason you pointed out here and for all practical purposes, marriage and the traditional family are dead and it's never coming back. That's why I think that the MGTOW discussions are so important. It's past time that we figured out how to live in a post feminist age where we see that marriage is a booby trap and that fatherhood is for losers. Sad but true...

[Idonotgivearatsass]

Stop looking in the rear view mirror, the past was not as golden as you paint it to be, nor is the present as tarnished as you make it. You can't live in the past, which is what you want, progress can not be stopped nor should it. Either learn to live in the now, or go crawl back under a rock.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Ok white knight, point taken.

[Anonymous]

Interesting ideas.

I do think though that they seem to reward bad with good. For instance if they had male friends. Those who are confident, attractive, and possess good qualities - e. g. text them sweetly, compliment her specifically - those guys seem to get her innocent side. The less attractive end of the spectrum (still her social circle), who don't text her specifically sweetly, who objectify all women openly, and call every girl pretty, etc, those guys seem to see her less innocent behaviour and get away with more.

I wrote a question on it. Can u help me out pls www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2182612-how-d-a-woman-act-around-these-guys-do-they-allow-some-men-to-get

[Jxpxtxr]

Hahahaha but of course!
Whenever a man gets sick with diarrhoea feminism is also the cause!

[Love_Is_Eternal]

That's the kind of immature response I expect to get from a feminist. Just childish immature drivel.

[Jxpxtxr]

Lmao but this mytake is mature?
ever heard of mirror response?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Yes, it's based on the truth, something you have no interest in.

[Jxpxtxr]

"Yes, it's based on the truth"

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[Negrodamuss]

Yet another gag male who is shit with women, so he's gotta pin the blame on them for everything. Sad. Guys on here need to start growing a pair

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Oh look, we have another white knight.

[Tanith]

When someone disagrees with you "love is eternal" if they're a woman you call them a liar, and if they're a man you call them a "white knight". Either way you can't seem to engage with what they're actually saying.

[LittleSally]

Doing research is your weak spot, right?
Evident...

[pr3ttybr0wn]

I thought if I were to seek a man to provide for me and take care of my family that that would make me a gold digging bitch? Old fashioned women get criticized too, by women AND other men. A lot of guys think that women who wait to have sex are teases and playing games. Even the nice guys are becoming corrupted.

[19magic]

This sounds great and all but what about the fact, it's really hard to get anywhere in life without both genders working. You can't buy a house to raise your family in, and you don't get the same quality of life without both genders working. And this is after both genders working hard in university or collage or a startup business.
If you do end up on the government you realise it's shit and not the same kind of life.

[Abtraction]

lmao, started happening when women entered the workforce...

[19magic]

More like this started when our population quadupled gone from 1.8 billion to 7.8 billion, in the space of a 100 years. Never before has there been such an increase of births in our entire history

[Abtraction]

BS, population growth in the recent US is between.9 - 1.27 %, from 1969+ population is not a problem for jobs. Women in the workforce started it.

[Gedaria]

I find this quite funny.. As the saying goes ( it takes to to tango.) Women are there own enemy they want equality but still want to be special but it's how other people relate to them. As far as being responsible for brake down of all relationship that is rubbish. My first marriage collapsed it was more my fault than my wife's.

[kellyg83]

oh, here we go. another fool trying to put the blame mostly on women. did you ever stop to look at it from both sides? men aren't innocent either.

[MargaritaPeach]

Love how he said sex and pleasure should not come before commitment. :) Guess we are supposed to look forward to a lifetime of no sex and no pleasure? Why do they have to be exclusive? Pretty sure the right man could give you the kind of sex and pleasure that would make a girl want to commit. Maybe some relationships break down because there is not enough fun involved. Life doesn't have to be all about serious commitments.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Another female who ignored the point of this myTake and responded with emotion.

[kellyg83]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5s4euach5U

ok. first, i read the entire article and i must say that you might want to get your facts straight before you go running your mouth. did you know that back in the day, when a man cheated on his wife she was expected to grin and bear it? she couldn't divorce him because it would create a scandal. so the man could pretty much do what the f*ck he wanted. you want to act like it was all peaches and roses because she was raising a family, and being taken care of by a man but it wasn't. some men were abusive, some men dogged other women, and the little woman just had to deal with it because he had a penis and was the provider. whoopty f*cking doo... your money does not entitle you to cheat. period.

[kellyg83]

second of all, while i agree that feminism is a nuisance in this day and age, because it brainwashes women into living dissatisfying lives, you need to realize that women aren't just going to fit into your "guy mold." you're talking about "be beautiful again." so what does that mean exactly? that you expect us to sit on our @sses, raise your kids, and cater to you while you do all the work? women are not one dimensional. we do not exist to just be pretty, child bearing, child raising, little servants of love. we have dreams and aspirations of our own, and there's nothing wrong with that. there's no possible reason why a woman can't have a career and a family if she wants too. or study to do something she really wants to do, or invent something that she wants to invent. so you can throw that little "mold" of yours out the window because it's ancient history, and guys don't get to have it all. there does, however, need to be a balance and the brainwashing needs to stop.

[kellyg83]

because it should never be all about career, but it should never be all about men either. cheers.

[kellyg83]

p. s. the women who can actually provide for themselves are doing themselves a favor, and i'll tell you why. when a man decides he wants a younger wife, and throws her out on the street, if she can't take of herself then she is pretty much homeless. and don't act like it doesn't happen, because it does. men are just as selfish as women are. however, a lot of them don't see it as a problem because they think that it's somehow ok. just like the other entitled females in the world.

[kellyg83]

@MargaritaPeach this is true, but men don't generally care about commitment anyway until they are in there 30's or 40's. there out there "sowing their oats," so to speak. and the funny thing is they always want to b*tch about how "nice guys" suffer. well what happened to that "nice girl" you were too busy trying to take advantage of? oh that's right. "nice guys" who pretend to be nice, f*cked with her so much that she turned into a b*tch. or you were too busy screwing around, and you came back to the nice girl as a last resort. that's something i have noticed. most nice girls are generally a last resort, and they only settle down with them when they want kids. so i guess men find nice girls boring, and won't admit it.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

So much drivel. Men couldn't just do whatever they wanted. There were laws in place to force men to financially look after their families, even if they walked out. And has it not accured to you that women cheated as well? Would you prefer things to stay as they are where women sleep around, have abortions, getaway with using kids as a weapon? Women today are disgusting and they have destroyed the family, with the help of feminism and the government. Women have been completely brainwashed and now society is fucked. Women today don't deserve any respect.

[kellyg83]

yes. i am aware of what they are like, i am aware that women cheated and do cheat, however it's not just one sided, and those kinds of women are in fact bad people. however, that's going to take a lot more than women to fix this problem. for starters, we need to throw those gender studies @ssholes out of the godd*mn universities.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Well unfortunately women have too much pride. Most women will not accept fault. They allow themselves to be brainwashed by society, feminism, and the media.

[kellyg83]

a lot of people have trouble looking at their own flaws, but that's the only thing that can really help you grow as a person. i miss the days when people were smart enough to know the media/society is garbage. that's also a big part of the problem. selfishness, materialism, etc. are praised while "niceness" is looked down on, or seen as weakness. these are not the values i was taught growing up. we need to rewire the programming somehow, because are practically brain dead. or maybe we should shoot some people upstairs.

[Tanith]

Why shouldn't it be all about career? If a woman wants a career and doesn't want to have a family, and that makes her happy, what's wrong with that?

[Tanith]

Feminism is a nuisance? You do know without it you wouldn't be able to be posting your opinions on the internet, right? Feminism is what gained us the right to an education, among other things.

[Tanith]

Again with the "most women" thing. I wonder how many women you have actually talked to face to face. You seem happy just making stuff up about us without bothering to ask us things or listen to us.

[kellyg83]

@Tanith while that is true about previous feminism, the feminism of today is absolute nonsense. and women can do whatever they want, nobody is disputing that. however, with the majority of feminists it seems to be a huge problem whenever a woman wants to stay at home with the kids, no work, and catering to her husband. would you care to explain the hypocrisy?

[Tanith]

I can't speak for other feminists. I am a stay at home mother myself. Call out that stuff when you see it, but I wouldn't dismiss feminism because of it. There are plenty of important battles still to be fought and women need each other.

[kellyg83]

@Tanith i am not discrediting previous feminism. the feminism of today is completely out of hand. for example: the crazy ones that say "kill all men." or "i bathe in male tears." or the ones that go around talking about rape, and how dressing mostly naked doesn't give you the right to rape. while that point is true, feminists had absolutely nothing to say when a female porn star was raped by several black males... or this whole thing about body positivity and fat shaming, while they allow other people who are considered fat to go around shaming skinny people. or how they go around calling out the supposed misogyny of white males, but they have nothing to say when actual misogyny is presented by muslims. if they want to make any sort of a case at all, they need to pull their heads out of the lies that the media, and universities are feeding people. come from a point of actual facts, instead of hypocrisy.

[kellyg83]

and please let's be real here. i haven't seen a feminist yet who genuinely cares about equality between the sexes. i see that more from egalitarians.

[Tanith]

I don't know anybody who advocates killing all men. I don't think that's typical of modern feminism at all.

But re. rape, yeah, nobody has the right to rape, ever. It doesn't make any difference how a woman is dressed.

Re. the rape of porn stars, many feminists have quite a lot to say about that subject actually. There's a whole anti porn and anti prostitution movement centred around wanting to help women who are harmed by those industries. Radical feminism and liberal feminism are very different when it comes to those issues. "Feminism" is a very broad umbrella. Don't assume all feminists believe the same things. You might find you have a lot in common with some of them.

Yep, all body shaming is bad. I call that out when I see it too. I hate lines like "real women have curves".

Re. misogyny against moslem women, again radical feminists have quite a lot to say about that. That doesn't mean that misogyny directed at non moslems isn't misogyny as well.

[Tanith]

The line I hear from radfems is actually that we are seeking liberation, not equality. Wish I could link here. Basically equality isn't the same as justice because not everybody has the same needs.

[kellyg83]

@Tanith seeking liberation for what exactly? you already live in a world where it is illegal to discriminate. (of course that doesn't seem to be working out as much lately because some women have found a way to only hire women, which is discrimination) you can get an education, you can be a mother if you choose, you can pretty much do whatever you want within reason. so why do so many of them go out of their way to make it difficult for men to have an education (particularly white men), or to even have a job? example: huffington post. they may be seeking liberation, but they are attacking others rights in the process.

[Tanith]

Liberation for women. The gender pay gap still exists in Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of statistics (doubtless in other countries too), and discrimination still occurs though it is illegal. Interestingly here at least often it is still legal to discriminate on grounds of sex where it wouldn't be on other grounds, hence why complains about sexist and misogynist advertising are often ignored when it would not be acceptable to depict another group in the same way. Still can't link, but there's a petition about it if you're interested to read about that, through a group called Collective Shout. Other issues of interest to many feminist groups include pornography and prostitution (as mentioned above), the prevalence of domestic violence, with at least one Australian woman being murdered by her male partner every week this year so far, so many other things, I'm out of room here.

Show me an example of women going out of their way to make it difficult for men to find work?

[kellyg83]

@Tanith example: huffington post only hires women, and they have made it blatantly obvious.

[Tanith]

Ah, okay. I can't speak to why they do that. I wouldn't call that going out of their way to stop men finding work though, just denying them employment at one place. Not saying that it's right they do that. I don't even know why they do it.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Tanith Feminism was about destroying the family and dividing men and women. Feminism is a cancer to relationships and is onl embraced by foolish, selfish women, like yourself.

[MargaritaPeach]

So, @Love_Is_Eternal do you feel that feminism just no longer has a place in society, because most Americans experience equal rights for the most part? Because there are a lot of places in the world where women still don't have equal rights. At it's core, feminism is about FAR more than encouraging women to be aware of their life and career choices. It's about a woman's basic human right to live a life that is safe, happy, empowering, and fulfilled. None of that should come as a threat to you. I do get what you're saying about wishing that society still glorified the stay at home mom life a little more. But I think you might just be looking in the wrong circles. Millions of women are stay at home moms, and conservative and religious circles go to great lengths to support and encourage that lifestyle. There are a lot of websites and support groups online that revolve around it. It's not as discouraged as you might think. A lot of moms are stay at home moms.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@MargaritaPeach But I don't believe that feminism is about equality. Feminists claims it's about equality, but they act completely different. I said in this myTake, which almost every woman ignored, that 1960's to 1970's feminism wasn't just about getting women equal rights, it was also a rebellion against the institution of marriage and motherhood. It didn't just seek equality, it encouraged women to abandon marriage and motherhood and pursue a career instead. Also, there was a lot of man-hating in the feminist movement.

[kellyg83]

not all feminists were man haters. true, there is a lot of man hating today to ridiculous levels. and while there was a rebellion against marriage, quite a bit of it to the advantage of the government or marxists, you have to understand that women are not one dimensional. nor do we serve only one purpose in life. if you go back and look at history, you will see that women's primary objective was marriage and children. they were rarely allowed to do much else besides socialize and church. even when they started breaking away from this accepted norm, there were people in society trying to pull them back. i don't see why women can't do both.

[MargaritaPeach]

Well, the man-hating came from deep wounds that were the result of generations of abuse. Failing to acknowledge that doesn't make it untrue. Some women are more bitter than others, and there are extremists in every movement, unfortunately. And the reason there was a movement against motherhood and marriage in the first place is because the workload and isolation of being being a stay at home mom can be crippling.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You forget to mention that for thousands of years most jobs were very hard physical dirty jobs that most women would never have weanted to do. Imagine if men had stayed at home looking after the house while their wives went out to work in dangerous, physical jobs. Women today would be complaining how easy men had it. I take things at face value and it seems that the more men and women give up on marriage and family, the more unhappy and chaotic society becomes. Feminism helped destroy the family by brainwashing young women with lies and myths, and the end result is what we have today where love, commitment, and life-long marriage are becoming extinct.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@MargaritaPeach Probably the biggest load of drivel yet.

[MargaritaPeach]

Have you ever even been to church? There are entire congregations on every corner where hundreds of people espouse the very values you are claiming no longer exist. They are by no means perfect, and most don't pretend to be, but their focus is on love and family. Try one. The average large city has 400 or more if them.

[kellyg83]

no, no, no. you can't just blame feminism for that. you forgot to factor in the law, which is extremely f*cked up. the money you can make off a divorce has people, especially men, running for the hills. you also forgot to factor in money and materialism. those things are huge relationship killers. everyone is focused more on money and material. so now they look at everything as more of a business transaction, and what can i get out of this person that benefits me? here's an example: my boss, who is male, is currently dating an older grandmother who makes more money than him. he told me, that "it's a dog eat dog world, and i would rather have a sugar momma." so really, it's more about money than feminism.

[kellyg83]

aside from that, do you know how much money the elite are making off of this fiasco? maybe you should really start eyeballing society with the elite factored in? it's eye opening.

[Jersey2]

I truly think that the majority of women of some decades ago had a happier life than the majority of today's women.

[genuinlysensitive]

From talking with older women, and younger women I tend to agree with you.

[supernerd99]

exactly feminism made them sad and wasted