Girls are taught to be emotional, mentally and physically dependent on others- how else do you think these women would survive. What is Girls Scouts? Selling cookies or some shit? I don't know. Boys on the other hand, are taught to be independent. Boy Scouts teach you survival skills. It's like you put a rich person and a poor person in the wild and you tell them to survive on their own for a month. A guarantee you the rich person would barely know how to take care of themselves.
its a little bit of that, but its also biological, women are simply naturally more emotional, and more mentally and physically dependent on others on average compared to men. you can raise them to be better at handling that stuff, but they are still not going to be as good at things like this compared to men. Nature made it that way.
You just dissolved your own argument by associating men to the poor person who knows how to survive and women to the rich person who's a cuddles child-like infant, who has been given to many privileges. 😂
That's basically the point of this post, to show the difference between men and women, proving men are better at surviving, and proving we got to this day and age because of ''the patriarchy''.
@ProjectBaby1K Do you not know what an analogy is? Take a random poor person and take a random rich person and put them in the wild, the poor person would better adapt to the change in environment (man or women) Go away fire bender.
That's exactly my point. You associate the poor person from your analogy to the men in the video, and the rich person to the women. This dissolves the argument you tried to make.
Learn how to defend your analogy and well as your self dissolving theory, fairy tale fanatic nut.
One glaring flaw in this thinking. Women chosen for reality tv are picked for their charisma, not their skills. It would stand to reason that women who can rely on looks and charm generally dont need to be self industrious.
Admittedly, finding self industrious women would be more difficult, as they dont stand out or show boat.
I do not disagree or agree with the statment that one gender is better then the other at survivor, but just wanted to point that out.
There is a big flaw in your argument, you do not actually know what criteria they used for picking the contestants in either group for this specific show. Im sure there where many women and men who applied for this show while knowing what it was about specifically because they had confidence in their own abilities for this type of situation. Otherwise why would they apply for that show when they could have applied for Paradise Hotel or Ex on the beach instead.
I kinda agree with @OP... howeve mr @op that means the majority of women are useless because at least 60%-70% of women can easily attract men using their body or face so according to your logic, women are still at a disadvantage.
Making assumptions with nothing to back it up. It is known men are better at surviving... evolution and history will teach you that (see how i back it up with actual fact).
well yeah thats the point they attract guys so they never had to hard work and that means they are lacking in that area, some men suck at doing any labour work but they can get the attention of every girl in the room, of course since women are the ones often doing that it means their skills in thi particular situation (uk survivor) are useless.
@alphadoggystyle good point, I dont actually know what the vetting process is. I would believe they would select those who would generate drama, as that generates viewers.
in that case, why didn't they also select men as well who would be dramatic and useless at survival? Why different criteria for the genders? because if both genders where selected for drama the guys still proved they could handle this situation while not being that type of person who handles this stuff well.
@alphadoggystyle Emotiinally sensitive, dramatic guys are not liked, thats why. Every man in a club will want to help the pretty girl with tears, but women (and men) tend to feel uncomfortable around a man in the same situation.
That being said, depeding on your definition, drama is still fostered, just in a different way. For example, I find It's common practice to select a gay man and a homophobic man to be on the same team. Makes passions rise.
when i said dramatic, i didn't mean sensitive, men and women are typically dramatic in different ways. Guys who are carefree and reckless etc, drinks and party a lot, someone who refuses to take orders or is very competitive, if its for the enjoyment of the viewers i know many people men and women who find such guys entertaining even though such men might not be respected in regular circumstances. You suggested the women where picked for entertainment reasons, so they might have picked sensitive princess complex women, but at the same time logic then suggests that men would also be selected for entertainment in that case, which would be load and obnoxious clown dudes who only care about party and women. But realistically the people of both genders who applied for the show where those who had an interest in survival, and they where probably picked based on their background skills as well as physical attractiveness, which always brings more viewers.
Having been in charge of both an all male division and an all female division on a ship in the middle of the ocean, the male division was less dramatic. With the female division, I felt as if I was Dr. Phil.
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But that's nothing to be surprised about. Sure, it's a reality tv show, but ignoring that, that's what's been like since forever. Men are the ones who keep everyone safe, the ones who bring food and provide shelter. That's been men's role for centuries. Women had a different role. Now we don't live in a "survival" world, but that's very very new if we compare it to how long we lived like in the show. You can't just erase those roles, we've evolved with them ingrained.
This is not to say women are lazy and useless, they simply have another role to fulfill.
It in the very least demonstrates culture, if not sex differences. Women of the past weren't neccessarily wall flowers, many of them were labourers, not inside the factories or castles but at home. Women today though are very over priveleged and the show demonstrates that.
@Spawnface not really, it just shows women aren't as prepared as men to survive on their own when resources are scarce. Sure, women have many privileges nowadays, way more if we compare it to the past, but even back in the day, women wouldn't have been able to survive on their own. They never had, for the simple fact that they're not physically prepared (they're weaker (physically) than men), and because their minds have evolved to be good at other things. Men made sure women were safe, so when that's the norm for centuries, you evolve with the means necessary to survive by yourself.
Thats dependant on a certain world veiw which I simply cannot believe.
Like one can survive without physical strength equal to a man, thats true now, thats true then. Its not a good way to structure ancient society though.
And im sure everything else is far more complex that what you're saying.
Unfortunately, it's not surprising that those women would be like that because a lot are but it doesn't help that the shows purposely choose those types of women. Either way I'm grateful to have the knowledge of how to survive.
Good point. People here are dismissing any validity to the topic based on the subject being a tv show, not fairly representing the public or women. However those women do represent a good portion of women. They were ofcoarse deliberately chosen to demonstrate the underlaying theory, or to test it.
That said, take it with a grain of salt because its not conclusive of much of anything past what it can show.
That video was super entertaining. But there were no surprises in it to anyone who lives in the real world, as opposed to a feminist fantasy world where women are taught men and women are equally capable, or more likely, women are superior to men.
Women are only capable of surviving within the context of the modern infrastructure and conveniences afforded them by men. Without men, women would all die in very short order.
The feminist fantasy of a world run by women is hilariously comical.
There are certainly cases of individual women surviving on their own, or with their young. There are also situations where all of the men of a tribe have been killed and the women successfully continued the tribe for a generation or so. But as far as I know there have been no successful societies that have completly excluded men from the outset. And I think that you touch on the main reason why, the need to compete for dominant position.
Yeah i agree it's a reality TV Show and it might be biased a little in some areas but i think it reflects what would have happened correctly although i think the females would have tried a little harder instead of sunbathing lol.
@ObedientMalee I already told you what it is. Trying to talk your way out of it won't change that you're being creepy and you clearly have issues with women.
This has some merit but I think it important to note how these shows are mainly made with Western women. Women of other cultures tend to be more hardworking and organised.
Not all men and women would react that way (a female farmgirl or Marine would do just fine; a male liberal would fail miserably), but certainly many of them are exactly like that.
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Well, not all men are the same, and not all women are the same. For example, some women actually have survival skills, unlike those spoiled western women. On the other hand, some men lack survival skills, they can't drive, they are cowardly, lazy and/or incompetent. So, generalization doesn't help in any case.
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Most people live best in groups, not going solo. Everyone saying men provided the food historically aren’t really informed. Women and children traditionally provided most calories in prehistoric and early human life through gathering berries, leaves, nuts, etc. Men provided smaller amounts of protein. Both baskets and Spears were needed to survive. Etc. Men, Women, kids had to be tough and interdependent.
can't really confirm or agree with what your saying without the details on the matter, however I would agree that the work of ancient life is most likely misterpreted with women of the lower classes doing much of the labour in farming, etc. Wheress the misinterpretation is that thry only raised kids. Although, Im uncertain as to what the main occupations of men were through the generations. Id assume its much more than our common veiw.
Im a bit uncertain as to what you mean. I am also not an expert so I can only offer bland veiws. But just for interpretation, in ancient Japan there would have been the 4 common groups, the merchant, the samurai, the farmer and I can't remember the other one. But one might assume the jobs were generally confined that way with women primarily at work at the home, which wouldve included a wide variety of jobs including assistance to the mans occupation.
Totally agree! We are different, and we have different attributes. Combine them together, instead of forcing equality when some things just naturally never will be equal. We will never be equal, because we are different. There will always be privilege, and biology will determine some things in life. Some things are worth changing when it comes to gender roles, but this third wave isn't contributing to anything progressive.
While some of the fascination towards feminism holds merit, most of it has rescinded into a self deception. While it is true that men and women are different, you may even say that females have been historically inferior if you wish, the goal of either sex should be ascension out of our former selves. Whereas feminists do not care for ascension, they only want to move from one shell into another, they do not care to rid themselves of a shell.
By now, women should have been equal in to men in terms of self responsibility, feminists that preach that message are scorned and pilloried, instead feminism today only wants to accumilate the priveleges of others without relinquishing their own.
The issue should be a misnomer. Women should be acknowledging their own nature, especially in historical context and be aiming to rid themselves of unmeritous aspects. They shouldn't be removing the past for the sake of denial, they should be embracing it as to mentally evolve.
@Spawnface The perfect example of privilege without responsibility was that women could vote without signing up for the draft.
Actually, if you look at the timeline for suffrage in Europe, Britain for example, men got the vote by fighting a world war; while women stayed at home handing out white feathers - an accusation of cowardice - to men that hadn't volunteered to go die for them.
From the beginning it has been privilege not equality; they want "equality" but their idea of equality is to get the same outcome without being required to do the same work.
What is severely overlooked is our histories relationship with mental illness or psychological phenonema. Today we often use terms like narcissist and even have clinical diagnoses of narcisistic personality disorder. We are far more knowledgable of the type of illnesses that plague the minds of humanity. While many people would attribute narcissism to the ones they know or meet today, it is almost never an occurance that people attribute any type of mental disorder to the people of our history, or at least in a way that isn't out of pure spite and vitriol. When it comes to the past it was far more prevelant, the spread of mental illness, and we fail to think of mass movements or cultural aspects as having relationship to such things. When it comes to the plights of womens historical sufferings, many of it is true, however at the same time a lot of the things we believe are the machinations of people like narcissists that have usurped our common understanding of reality and lead us to believe that women were nothing more than slaves without any power over males and society while ofcoarse using such a false belief to undermine the rights and well being of others
lol it ain't a gender war i love women , i really do, but facts are facts women think too much and whine when they should be doing, they thrive in a society that give them the tools and means to use them, but alone without any guidiance? most women dont seem to be able to survive as well as men.
@Jamesol1 A reality TV show is proof women can't take care of themselves? Should I look to Keeping up with the Kardashians as a life skills tool? I don't know why so many men are so threatened by women these days. Smh
no , men dont hate women or feel threatened by them men just... well how do i put this, in western society women are demanding to be equal in every single thing with men despite that not being possible and this show is one of them, if it was a fighting show the men would win too there is no denying it, men are tougher, stronger, more aggressive and have a different set of skills , but todays women (some not all ) refuse to acknowledge that, so men find that quite annoying, they find women wanting to be men annoying and rightfully so, not only that but despite asking to get everything men get (and they already do) they still require men to be gentlemen, treat them super nice, do favors for them, buy them meals, ask them out and generally intiate everything... do you see the problem now?
@IceCubedude this isn't a fighting contest. He's clearly insinuating women are inferior by razzing his roommate and saying that women are incapable of taking care of themselves. Men and women general have pretty set skills and weaknesses. I acknowledge and accept that. But one is not better than the other, and that's where I get irritated. And treating someone with decency shouldn't be demanded. It should be willfully given. I don't know why that'd bother you.
Go check the US version... the girls had to go over to the guys fire on the second day due not not being able to make one... how much more proof does your small brain need?
If women are capable of taking care of themselves, why the man paying the bill is considered a decent manner? Just curious. You know exactly what he means. It's not about treating someone with decency, of course you should treat people decently but he talks about the fact that some people still think that men are expected to pay for everything, to open doors and such manners that insinuate that women are less capable of some kind. And when women think like this, it's a problem. It's a problem when the woman has the same salary as the man but still expects him to pay for things. See the problem? And this is really engraved into society. Or for example, if there's a sinking ship the children AND the women will be the first to get on the emergency boats. Why so?
@Jamesol1 a survival show that's reality TV. You don't have to insult someone because you're upset. I'm comparing two reality TVs shows to juxtapose the invalidity in the claim. Whatever boys, have fun thinking you're better than other people
You have issues... i really dont undersdtand why its so hard for you to accept that I as a man do posses qualities that you as a woman do not have , doesn't meant iam superior or that iam a better person , i just happen to do things differently and focus on things you dont focus on, which is the problem with todays women, most are like you and the minority are like linah, which is sad, instead of trying to prove how superior you are, know what skills you have and focus on improving them like i do with mine.
I dont care what you think about me, your opinion is worthless as you clearly dont understand any of this, you're not smart. And many women have already fallen for me, but im mgtow so i dont want relationships. And they are not worth more than me unless they are an instagram model or something. To claim someone is worth more than someone else you have to look at the overall sexual market value, me saying facts that hurt your feelings does not decrease my value in the dating market.
@IceCubedude no I agree with that. I possess skills you also don't have. We balance each other out and that's fine. What bothers me is when people think they're better than the other gender or need to prove some sort of ego boosting point. I'm NT saying you are doing that, just a lot are and it's getting real old
@linahh I'm not even referring to that. There are definitely problems with women and thinking they're entitled. But I'm referring to this My take that is taking a reality show, which isn't real reality, to assert men are more capable. Usually I just shake my head and click off. But it's getting SO OLD. I think men and women have strengths and weaknesses and that's all and good. I don't know why people can't accept that
@linahh lol okay good. Sorry it was hard to see where I was coming from here, but yes, same page,. Men and women need each other. Neither are better than the other. Cool
@alphadoggystyle ''I dont care what you think about me, your opinion is worthless as you clearly dont understand any of this, you're not smart. '' Exactly. She is ignorant to her own ego and that of her fellow whining females as we saw in the video. I'm not reading more of her crap she can't debate for shit.
@Jamesol1 yeah i know, like majority of the women on this site. Probably in real life too, women in general cannot debate because they refuse to admit to anything that makes them feel bad unless you force them to admit.
@alphadoggystyle Omg 100%. Every argument boils down to the female not being able to reply with a good argument... resorting in name calling such as ''you're a virgin'' or some shit. honestly this is a girl try to debate against guys website where all the bitter women who can't form an argument rage and talk rubbish.
@Jamesol1 yeah there are more idiot men than women, but on average, the average man also has slightly higher IQ than the average woman, while majority of geniuses are men.
I believe men will almost always survive better, but a biiig part of this is how women are raised and spoiled by western society. Men are taught to suck it up and power through harsh trials, while women are taught that they deserve to be protected and are worthy of being spoiled like princesses.
If I was in a survival group, I'd just do the best I could for everyone and encourage mutually beneficial actions. I'm easy to get along with.
Those stupid leftist twats in the top photo need to be put into jails with the "migrants" for whom their hearts bleed. They would learn painful lessons, and the migrant criminals who behave well might get a special "conjugal visit" as a reward.
@Praec yes they did. But guys always have this obsessive need to prove themselves especially when it comes to physical activity. I just personally believe that if their lives were really in danger, the women wouldn’t have sucked quite as much.
By the same logic, isn't that why CEO's are predominantly male? Men have an obsessive need to prove ourselves, and women know their lives aren't in danger - you can survive on a minimum wage salary, and of course you could just scurry over to the men's camp for heat, shelter, and food (as in the reality show)?
Heck the supplies they started with (rice, etc) could be seen as welfare; the women took what they were given, then sunbathed, instead of actually getting off their asses to build shelter (obviously the showrunners won't let them die, but exposure is a thing, and the girls were sitting with minimum cover in heavy rain for hours on end).
@Praec same thing applies with jobs. It’s not that women can’t do certain things, they just don’t want to. Our egos are bigger in other areas for the most part.
by the way, reality shows are fake and most people know it. There are producers and directors who trigger and set things up purposely to get a certain reaction or result. If reality tv wasn’t such a puppet show, it would be EXTREMELY boring.
That's why I said "reality" - it's like Bear Grylls, where he'd drink piss and eat bugs to survive on camera; but have a buffet ready and waiting for him just behind the camera.
Big Brother was one that kind of shows your point; the entertainment came from the challenges, if you watched it live sub-primetime it was as boring as watching paint dry.
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Girls are taught to be emotional, mentally and physically dependent on others- how else do you think these women would survive. What is Girls Scouts? Selling cookies or some shit? I don't know.
Boys on the other hand, are taught to be independent. Boy Scouts teach you survival skills.
It's like you put a rich person and a poor person in the wild and you tell them to survive on their own for a month. A guarantee you the rich person would barely know how to take care of themselves.
its a little bit of that, but its also biological, women are simply naturally more emotional, and more mentally and physically dependent on others on average compared to men. you can raise them to be better at handling that stuff, but they are still not going to be as good at things like this compared to men. Nature made it that way.
Boy Scouts don't do shit with teaching you survival skills. I would know.
@FýrdracaDócincel That's the general misconception tho. I think Girl Scouts-cookies
I think Boy Scouts-Camping
You just dissolved your own argument by associating men to the poor person who knows how to survive and women to the rich person who's a cuddles child-like infant, who has been given to many privileges. 😂
That's basically the point of this post, to show the difference between men and women, proving men are better at surviving, and proving we got to this day and age because of ''the patriarchy''.
@ProjectBaby1K Do you not know what an analogy is?
Take a random poor person and take a random rich person and put them in the wild, the poor person would better adapt to the change in environment (man or women)
Go away fire bender.
That's exactly my point. You associate the poor person from your analogy to the men in the video, and the rich person to the women. This dissolves the argument you tried to make.
Learn how to defend your analogy and well as your self dissolving theory, fairy tale fanatic nut.
Girls are naturally more emotional it's called hormones
Biology factors in to this. People didn't start gravitating to these trends because society said so. There is no blank slate, biology drives society.
The men in the TV show were submissive
One glaring flaw in this thinking. Women chosen for reality tv are picked for their charisma, not their skills. It would stand to reason that women who can rely on looks and charm generally dont need to be self industrious.
Admittedly, finding self industrious women would be more difficult, as they dont stand out or show boat.
I do not disagree or agree with the statment that one gender is better then the other at survivor, but just wanted to point that out.
There is a big flaw in your argument, you do not actually know what criteria they used for picking the contestants in either group for this specific show. Im sure there where many women and men who applied for this show while knowing what it was about specifically because they had confidence in their own abilities for this type of situation. Otherwise why would they apply for that show when they could have applied for Paradise Hotel or Ex on the beach instead.
I kinda agree with @OP... howeve mr @op that means the majority of women are useless because at least 60%-70% of women can easily attract men using their body or face so according to your logic, women are still at a disadvantage.
Making assumptions with nothing to back it up. It is known men are better at surviving... evolution and history will teach you that (see how i back it up with actual fact).
@Jamesol1 what assumtion did I make you disagree with? Main point of what i ment was that reality TV isn't a useful yardstick for measuring society.
Also for future knowledge - saying "evolution and history will teach you that," isn't showing any facts.
@IceCubedude not useless, just different skill set.
well yeah thats the point they attract guys so they never had to hard work and that means they are lacking in that area, some men suck at doing any labour work but they can get the attention of every girl in the room, of course since women are the ones often doing that it means their skills in thi particular situation (uk survivor) are useless.
@alphadoggystyle good point, I dont actually know what the vetting process is. I would believe they would select those who would generate drama, as that generates viewers.
in that case, why didn't they also select men as well who would be dramatic and useless at survival? Why different criteria for the genders? because if both genders where selected for drama the guys still proved they could handle this situation while not being that type of person who handles this stuff well.
@alphadoggystyle Emotiinally sensitive, dramatic guys are not liked, thats why. Every man in a club will want to help the pretty girl with tears, but women (and men) tend to feel uncomfortable around a man in the same situation.
That being said, depeding on your definition, drama is still fostered, just in a different way. For example, I find It's common practice to select a gay man and a homophobic man to be on the same team. Makes passions rise.
when i said dramatic, i didn't mean sensitive, men and women are typically dramatic in different ways. Guys who are carefree and reckless etc, drinks and party a lot, someone who refuses to take orders or is very competitive, if its for the enjoyment of the viewers i know many people men and women who find such guys entertaining even though such men might not be respected in regular circumstances.
You suggested the women where picked for entertainment reasons, so they might have picked sensitive princess complex women, but at the same time logic then suggests that men would also be selected for entertainment in that case, which would be load and obnoxious clown dudes who only care about party and women. But realistically the people of both genders who applied for the show where those who had an interest in survival, and they where probably picked based on their background skills as well as physical attractiveness, which always brings more viewers.
Having been in charge of both an all male division and an all female division on a ship in the middle of the ocean, the male division was less dramatic. With the female division, I felt as if I was Dr. Phil.
But that's nothing to be surprised about. Sure, it's a reality tv show, but ignoring that, that's what's been like since forever. Men are the ones who keep everyone safe, the ones who bring food and provide shelter. That's been men's role for centuries. Women had a different role.
Now we don't live in a "survival" world, but that's very very new if we compare it to how long we lived like in the show. You can't just erase those roles, we've evolved with them ingrained.
This is not to say women are lazy and useless, they simply have another role to fulfill.
It in the very least demonstrates culture, if not sex differences. Women of the past weren't neccessarily wall flowers, many of them were labourers, not inside the factories or castles but at home. Women today though are very over priveleged and the show demonstrates that.
@Spawnface not really, it just shows women aren't as prepared as men to survive on their own when resources are scarce. Sure, women have many privileges nowadays, way more if we compare it to the past, but even back in the day, women wouldn't have been able to survive on their own. They never had, for the simple fact that they're not physically prepared (they're weaker (physically) than men), and because their minds have evolved to be good at other things. Men made sure women were safe, so when that's the norm for centuries, you evolve with the means necessary to survive by yourself.
Thats dependant on a certain world veiw which I simply cannot believe.
Like one can survive without physical strength equal to a man, thats true now, thats true then. Its not a good way to structure ancient society though.
And im sure everything else is far more complex that what you're saying.
Unfortunately, it's not surprising that those women would be like that because a lot are but it doesn't help that the shows purposely choose those types of women. Either way I'm grateful to have the knowledge of how to survive.
Good point. People here are dismissing any validity to the topic based on the subject being a tv show, not fairly representing the public or women. However those women do represent a good portion of women. They were ofcoarse deliberately chosen to demonstrate the underlaying theory, or to test it.
That said, take it with a grain of salt because its not conclusive of much of anything past what it can show.
That video was super entertaining. But there were no surprises in it to anyone who lives in the real world, as opposed to a feminist fantasy world where women are taught men and women are equally capable, or more likely, women are superior to men.
Women are only capable of surviving within the context of the modern infrastructure and conveniences afforded them by men. Without men, women would all die in very short order.
The feminist fantasy of a world run by women is hilariously comical.
There are certainly cases of individual women surviving on their own, or with their young. There are also situations where all of the men of a tribe have been killed and the women successfully continued the tribe for a generation or so. But as far as I know there have been no successful societies that have completly excluded men from the outset. And I think that you touch on the main reason why, the need to compete for dominant position.
Are you seriously using a reality show that's purposefully edited to create drama as a basis for your ideas? Like really?
Yeah i agree it's a reality TV Show and it might be biased a little in some areas but i think it reflects what would have happened correctly although i think the females would have tried a little harder instead of sunbathing lol.
@ObedientMalee It is seriously starting to creep me out how you wander around my opinions just to bash women.
How am i bashing women? I believe in equal rights for women and the empowerment of women
@ObedientMalee I already told you what it is. Trying to talk your way out of it won't change that you're being creepy and you clearly have issues with women.
I don't have any issues with women, i have nothing against them at all. I dont understand what you are trying to accuse me of
@ObedientMalee I'm not continuing this conversation with you
Okay im sorry for whatever i've done to you.
@ObedientMalee i now this is old. but dude dont apologize.
It's true actually and they did this not only in America but the UK and on Bear Gyrlls survivior show to.
Every single time the men whooped the women's asses and handed em to them on a silver platter and I won't lie I enjoyed every moment of it.
No shame.
This has some merit but I think it important to note how these shows are mainly made with Western women. Women of other cultures tend to be more hardworking and organised.
Thanks to patriarchy ;)
Not all men and women would react that way (a female farmgirl or Marine would do just fine; a male liberal would fail miserably), but certainly many of them are exactly like that.
Well, not all men are the same, and not all women are the same.
For example, some women actually have survival skills, unlike those spoiled western women.
On the other hand, some men lack survival skills, they can't drive, they are cowardly, lazy and/or incompetent.
So, generalization doesn't help in any case.
Most people live best in groups, not going solo. Everyone saying men provided the food historically aren’t really informed. Women and children traditionally provided most calories in prehistoric and early human life through gathering berries, leaves, nuts, etc. Men provided smaller amounts of protein. Both baskets and Spears were needed to survive. Etc. Men, Women, kids had to be tough and interdependent.
can't really confirm or agree with what your saying without the details on the matter, however I would agree that the work of ancient life is most likely misterpreted with women of the lower classes doing much of the labour in farming, etc. Wheress the misinterpretation is that thry only raised kids. Although, Im uncertain as to what the main occupations of men were through the generations. Id assume its much more than our common veiw.
The bigger the group, obviously the more specialists, of course.
I’d guess anyway - I don’t actually know that part.
Im a bit uncertain as to what you mean. I am also not an expert so I can only offer bland veiws. But just for interpretation, in ancient Japan there would have been the 4 common groups, the merchant, the samurai, the farmer and I can't remember the other one. But one might assume the jobs were generally confined that way with women primarily at work at the home, which wouldve included a wide variety of jobs including assistance to the mans occupation.
Totally agree! We are different, and we have different attributes. Combine them together, instead of forcing equality when some things just naturally never will be equal. We will never be equal, because we are different. There will always be privilege, and biology will determine some things in life. Some things are worth changing when it comes to gender roles, but this third wave isn't contributing to anything progressive.
But again, maybe they just chose the wrong girls.
While some of the fascination towards feminism holds merit, most of it has rescinded into a self deception. While it is true that men and women are different, you may even say that females have been historically inferior if you wish, the goal of either sex should be ascension out of our former selves. Whereas feminists do not care for ascension, they only want to move from one shell into another, they do not care to rid themselves of a shell.
By now, women should have been equal in to men in terms of self responsibility, feminists that preach that message are scorned and pilloried, instead feminism today only wants to accumilate the priveleges of others without relinquishing their own.
The issue should be a misnomer. Women should be acknowledging their own nature, especially in historical context and be aiming to rid themselves of unmeritous aspects. They shouldn't be removing the past for the sake of denial, they should be embracing it as to mentally evolve.
@Spawnface The perfect example of privilege without responsibility was that women could vote without signing up for the draft.
Actually, if you look at the timeline for suffrage in Europe, Britain for example, men got the vote by fighting a world war; while women stayed at home handing out white feathers - an accusation of cowardice - to men that hadn't volunteered to go die for them.
From the beginning it has been privilege not equality; they want "equality" but their idea of equality is to get the same outcome without being required to do the same work.
@Praec
What is severely overlooked is our histories relationship with mental illness or psychological phenonema. Today we often use terms like narcissist and even have clinical diagnoses of narcisistic personality disorder. We are far more knowledgable of the type of illnesses that plague the minds of humanity. While many people would attribute narcissism to the ones they know or meet today, it is almost never an occurance that people attribute any type of mental disorder to the people of our history, or at least in a way that isn't out of pure spite and vitriol. When it comes to the past it was far more prevelant, the spread of mental illness, and we fail to think of mass movements or cultural aspects as having relationship to such things. When it comes to the plights of womens historical sufferings, many of it is true, however at the same time a lot of the things we believe are the machinations of people like narcissists that have usurped our common understanding of reality and lead us to believe that women were nothing more than slaves without any power over males and society while ofcoarse using such a false belief to undermine the rights and well being of others
I litteraly died laughing at this part :
"Where is your hut"
"We have no hut"
Where are your supplies"
"We ate all the rice"
Hahaha can even imagine the three guys coming for some pussies and ending up in this mess hahaha
My hell, you are the exact opposite of these radical feminists and equally as annoying. Get over the gender war. Honestly
They spout false crap. This is legit proof. Big difference.
lol it ain't a gender war i love women , i really do, but facts are facts women think too much and whine when they should be doing, they thrive in a society that give them the tools and means to use them, but alone without any guidiance? most women dont seem to be able to survive as well as men.
@Jamesol1 A reality TV show is proof women can't take care of themselves? Should I look to Keeping up with the Kardashians as a life skills tool? I don't know why so many men are so threatened by women these days. Smh
no , men dont hate women or feel threatened by them men just... well how do i put this, in western society women are demanding to be equal in every single thing with men despite that not being possible and this show is one of them, if it was a fighting show the men would win too there is no denying it, men are tougher, stronger, more aggressive and have a different set of skills , but todays women (some not all ) refuse to acknowledge that, so men find that quite annoying, they find women wanting to be men annoying and rightfully so, not only that but despite asking to get everything men get (and they already do) they still require men to be gentlemen, treat them super nice, do favors for them, buy them meals, ask them out and generally intiate everything... do you see the problem now?
@IceCubedude this isn't a fighting contest. He's clearly insinuating women are inferior by razzing his roommate and saying that women are incapable of taking care of themselves. Men and women general have pretty set skills and weaknesses. I acknowledge and accept that. But one is not better than the other, and that's where I get irritated. And treating someone with decency shouldn't be demanded. It should be willfully given. I don't know why that'd bother you.
Men are dominant women are submissive are you gonna continue arguing against nature and biology?
yes one is better than the other at some things, that is why we have "Different" skills thats the whole point of it really
Go check the US version... the girls had to go over to the guys fire on the second day due not not being able to make one... how much more proof does your small brain need?
If women are capable of taking care of themselves, why the man paying the bill is considered a decent manner? Just curious. You know exactly what he means. It's not about treating someone with decency, of course you should treat people decently but he talks about the fact that some people still think that men are expected to pay for everything, to open doors and such manners that insinuate that women are less capable of some kind. And when women think like this, it's a problem. It's a problem when the woman has the same salary as the man but still expects him to pay for things. See the problem? And this is really engraved into society. Or for example, if there's a sinking ship the children AND the women will be the first to get on the emergency boats. Why so?
@Jamesol1 a survival show that's reality TV. You don't have to insult someone because you're upset. I'm comparing two reality TVs shows to juxtapose the invalidity in the claim. Whatever boys, have fun thinking you're better than other people
You have issues... i really dont undersdtand why its so hard for you to accept that I as a man do posses qualities that you as a woman do not have , doesn't meant iam superior or that iam a better person , i just happen to do things differently and focus on things you dont focus on, which is the problem with todays women, most are like you and the minority are like linah, which is sad, instead of trying to prove how superior you are, know what skills you have and focus on improving them like i do with mine.
I dont care what you think about me, your opinion is worthless as you clearly dont understand any of this, you're not smart. And many women have already fallen for me, but im mgtow so i dont want relationships. And they are not worth more than me unless they are an instagram model or something. To claim someone is worth more than someone else you have to look at the overall sexual market value, me saying facts that hurt your feelings does not decrease my value in the dating market.
@IceCubedude no I agree with that. I possess skills you also don't have. We balance each other out and that's fine. What bothers me is when people think they're better than the other gender or need to prove some sort of ego boosting point. I'm NT saying you are doing that, just a lot are and it's getting real old
@alphadoggystyle I understand now you're just trolling so it's cool
@linahh I'm not even referring to that. There are definitely problems with women and thinking they're entitled. But I'm referring to this My take that is taking a reality show, which isn't real reality, to assert men are more capable. Usually I just shake my head and click off. But it's getting SO OLD. I think men and women have strengths and weaknesses and that's all and good. I don't know why people can't accept that
Cheers to that! I see it as a puzzle, if all the pieces were the same, there would be no bigger picture. We complement each other. :)
@linahh lol okay good. Sorry it was hard to see where I was coming from here, but yes, same page,. Men and women need each other. Neither are better than the other. Cool
@alphadoggystyle ''I dont care what you think about me, your opinion is worthless as you clearly dont understand any of this, you're not smart. ''
Exactly. She is ignorant to her own ego and that of her fellow whining females as we saw in the video. I'm not reading more of her crap she can't debate for shit.
not trolling, just stating facts, which obviously hurts your feelings.
@Jamesol1 yeah i know, like majority of the women on this site. Probably in real life too, women in general cannot debate because they refuse to admit to anything that makes them feel bad unless you force them to admit.
Men are more capable and superior to women, its fact and nothing is ever going to change that. Get over it.
@alphadoggystyle Omg 100%. Every argument boils down to the female not being able to reply with a good argument... resorting in name calling such as ''you're a virgin'' or some shit. honestly this is a girl try to debate against guys website where all the bitter women who can't form an argument rage and talk rubbish.
@Jamesol1 yeah there are more idiot men than women, but on average, the average man also has slightly higher IQ than the average woman, while majority of geniuses are men.
The men in the TV show were submissive
I believe men will almost always survive better, but a biiig part of this is how women are raised and spoiled by western society. Men are taught to suck it up and power through harsh trials, while women are taught that they deserve to be protected and are worthy of being spoiled like princesses.
If I was in a survival group, I'd just do the best I could for everyone and encourage mutually beneficial actions. I'm easy to get along with.
Interesting one. I wish all women were taught since children to be independent.
They are independent or most of them are, the men who did what the women told them were obviously all submissive
@ObedientMalee like you
I know i am
Those stupid leftist twats in the top photo need to be put into jails with the "migrants" for whom their hearts bleed. They would learn painful lessons, and the migrant criminals who behave well might get a special "conjugal visit" as a reward.
The women knew good and well that it was temporary, so they felt less inclined to try. That’s just my opinion.
The guys knew the same.
@Praec yes they did. But guys always have this obsessive need to prove themselves especially when it comes to physical activity.
I just personally believe that if their lives were really in danger, the women wouldn’t have sucked quite as much.
By the same logic, isn't that why CEO's are predominantly male? Men have an obsessive need to prove ourselves, and women know their lives aren't in danger - you can survive on a minimum wage salary, and of course you could just scurry over to the men's camp for heat, shelter, and food (as in the reality show)?
Maybe that's what made it a "reality" show.
Heck the supplies they started with (rice, etc) could be seen as welfare; the women took what they were given, then sunbathed, instead of actually getting off their asses to build shelter (obviously the showrunners won't let them die, but exposure is a thing, and the girls were sitting with minimum cover in heavy rain for hours on end).
@Praec same thing applies with jobs. It’s not that women can’t do certain things, they just don’t want to. Our egos are bigger in other areas for the most part.
by the way, reality shows are fake and most people know it. There are producers and directors who trigger and set things up purposely to get a certain reaction or result. If reality tv wasn’t such a puppet show, it would be EXTREMELY boring.
That's why I said "reality" - it's like Bear Grylls, where he'd drink piss and eat bugs to survive on camera; but have a buffet ready and waiting for him just behind the camera.
Big Brother was one that kind of shows your point; the entertainment came from the challenges, if you watched it live sub-primetime it was as boring as watching paint dry.
@Praec okay