That's because people only want the good that the other gender seems to get. But to truly be equal we'll have to fully accept the good and the bad. People don't want to do that
@LovemesomeBumbleBee Cuck is actually conservative, but hey instead of having a rational conversation lets try to put others down due to fear of them being right.
Girls have it so good now? Yet when girls get raped, people STILL sympathize with the rapist (s) and worry about his future, 'cause he was so successful in school, etc etc etc, until the point where he gets like 2 hours of probation and 5 minutes of community service. Or what about all the time when we're harassed in the streets, called names, grabbed and touched without consent? I've had male customers around the age of 50 try to brush up against me *while I'm fucking working*. One of my friends who's really fucking good at her job keeps getting undermined by customers, who want "a male to give them service" because "she probably doesn't know enough about what she's doing". So she has been forced to get the only other co-worker at her job, who's a man, to serve these customers. Despite the fact that she's been working there for years and he has only been there for a few months and often needs her help.
And what about the guy who drugged his SISTER until the point where she didn't even recognize him, and then raped her? Judge came to the conclusion that she willingly took her clothes off and fucked her own brother. Cause that makes sense. Despite the fact that she was higher than a kite and literally had no idea who her own brother even was. www.independent.co.uk/.../...ifornia-a7749691.html
SO don't even fucking tell me "girls have it so good now" when 1) you're not even a fucking girl and 2) we have to put up with y'alls bullshit every. single. fucking. day. And we're also supposed to just "laugh it off" or "take it with a grain of salt" or "not be so fucking triggered" because "boys will be boys" or some other fucking bullshit that justifies rape, catcalling, harassment and abuse.
@lumos Well since you didn't answer my question i'll leave it at that. Nah, I've had a girlfriend I have a sister and I have a mother so yes I can. Compared to me they've had pretty peachy lives; but why look at my personal experiences? Look at the media, look at how women can portray themselves, tits+ ass, look how, in porn, girls are now more widely accepted than ever before. The notion of a capitalistic girl was rejected back in the 40's but now, there is no such rejection. I'm not joking, about any of this either; I want girls to be equal in every way possible but they have it much better than guys. Why? Because socially, dating wise, emotionally they are able to do things guys can't or won't have happen to them. I'm speaking of course about dating, being the breadwinner, having emotional support and having a general view of themselves as being good or exceptional because everyone around compliments you. Then some girls turn it over on guy's because they focus on a few bad
instances in which some dick has been overly sexual. For some reason, you feel the need to make all men out to be this way. But you couldn't be further from the truth. Look at the way males are raised, they from a young age are not expected to show emotion, to show empathy but rather to be hard cold or distant in their manner. To be overly aggressive and to repress their feelings, to get a job young, to ask a woman out first, to join the military, to be the breadwinner and die overseas so you don't have to. Then you question why a few are assholes? there's your answer. Because a majority of the time they cannot talk about their thoughts, feelings or emotions; even if it's those exact feelings that run rampant and mutate into something bad like talking dirty or groping a girl you fail to see the forest for the trees. There's your answer if you were even looking for one.
You know three girls and think that that means you know all 3.5 billion of us? Lol using that logic I could say that I know my brother, father and boyfriend, and that means I know for a fact that you guys have literally nothing to complain about. Won't even bother reading the rest if your argumentative skills are on such a low level.
@lumos Here's the problem. I understand you enjoy and get giddy about having an argument on here about civil rights but getting angry and irritated about it, acting dismissive and arrogant does nothing. In fact, it hurts your wishing to progress your cause because you can't help people see your side of the argument if you constantly swear them out; acting like people are constantly out to get you simply isn't true... no matter how much you nor I believe it. Relax.
I am completely relaxed. But it's a fact that women all over the world have to put up with this sort of BS from men. I don't see why I can't swear because of it when it's something that affects me and everyone around me. Nor will I tolerate it when someone like you tries to speak for all women and claim you know what we go through because you happen to know 3 women personally. This is a forum where you're supposed to discuss and debate. If you can't handle getting called out on your poor debating skills, then don't post. Neither are you helping the discussion progress by going out of line and asking a personal question about me going to therapy. Don't even pretend to care.
@lumos I am discussing it with you. I also am not asking you to tolerate it, you can think what you like. That's not a problem as I see it either way. Is it a problem for you? Discussion and debate goes more like "Women don't get paid enough as men do" "I disagree, and here's why, Women blah blah blah" "Hmm interesting point, but what about etc." "I can see why that'd be bothersome" Not... "1) you're not even a fucking girl and 2) we have to put up with y'alls bullshit every. single. fucking. day. And we're also supposed to just "laugh it off" or "take it with a grain of salt" or "not be so fucking triggered" because "boys will be boys" or some other fucking bullshit that justifies rape, catcalling, harassment and abuse." So it's not really a debate more like a listening session which is fine by me, we can keep chatting if you like.
@lumos Sure they could be true but if you are too busy swearing or intentionally acting like everyone's opinion is pointless next to your own you cannot have a discussion.
Why does my colorful language bother you so much? My points still stand. And if it bothers you that I'm dismissing a portion of your answers, then maybe you should reconsider your approach on the subject. You knowing 3 women means jack shit, and does not give you a free pass to tell me what it's like to be a woman. That's just how it is.
@lumos It means that I won't take you seriously and you would have successfully wasted your time typing, which I think we can both agree on. I mean unless you like to swear people out in real life which would be hilarious.
@lumos Nothing wrong with it, i like it as well. But when you are trying to get your point across it makes you come off to the other side as arrogant... and that hurts your argument. Don't you see? I'm not even challenging what you say. People, who do challenge what you say most likely would be thinking what i said above and act like a total asshole because of it; i would imagine it gets pretty combative in arguments between you and others.
@lumos I doubt it that they don't get what you are saying in some regard. You'd be surprised at how much words have an effect on people... especially when they are meant well.
@lumos Though I will admit online interaction lacks face to face as it's only letters... pretty easy to dissociate or misinterpret others. Subtle manipulation has a much longer lasting effect, even if someone swears you out there will be some inclination to feel something about their conversation with you. Most of the time they will feel repulsed by their actions subconsciously and that will affect them later. The difficulty though is dealing with that anger of others... and making sure it doesn't transfer to you.
Yes women have some disadvantages, everyone does. But whining about it and acting like an 8 year old on the internet is just immature and does not help anyone
@Theearthisflat aww look at you. You're so special because, ya know, you love a person's sexist joke and you're a "woman". Wow. Cute. Maybe you should audition to be a snowflake or something
There's obviously lots of misogynism in the world. But do you really think that most of the people who oppose "feminism" actually disagree with most of what you said?
Feminism has become a game of motte and bailey. Pigeon holing opponents doesn't help anyone.
I have to say I typically avoid these feminism hate posts such as this one. You can continue you feminist march towards full Marxism until you finally achieve full scorched earth of relationships, families, rights, and quality of life. Sweden is an almost fully developed example of this and it is headed for full collapse. Your feminist fallacy is totalitarianism in the end and you will serve your ulterior masters. And NO I didn’t bother reading this crapola-
I never said specifically that it is a “nationalist movement”, show me the words, you can’t. I cited an example, that’s all, of a pocket of your disease.
Now let’s not have a nasty temper tantrum, try to demonstrate some maturity here. It sure seemed as if you did-such an unrelated passing comment to what I posted.
1. IT's illegal to pay someone less or not employ someone because of gender. Women earn less overall because they work less and do lower paid jobs on average
2. No one thinks it's ok to grope people, it's illegal. If you see it report it, if not, shut up/
3. Men can't show shoulders either
4. Yeah, other countries need feminism but the movement doesn't address that because they want to defend islam so it's not relevent.
5. The prime ministers of the UK and Germany are currently female, and a leader. Religions are fucked but again, feminism defends islam all the time
I feel feminism is good to a point, Trying to equal pay between genders? Good. Trying to make men any less than women Bad I think men and women should be equal but some feminists just take it too far
Feminism has a bad reputation.. I agree women still have a ways to go for equality around the world but more so in Muslim countries. Unfortunately the first thing I think of when I hear the word feminism is pro abortion which I will never support so I can say I don't support feminism but I do support equality
I dont know really there are thinks that still need to be talked about like equal punishment among other things. But a lot of stuff will equalise over time. Do we need feminism NO. We need a movement called equalism or whatever to reach that point. Time is key. feminism won't solve much at this point. we need ssomething else
Thanks? What thanks? You took away one of our "inalienable rights" which you males wrote yourselves and you think you should get a cookie for being decent. We wouldn't have to of been given the right to vote if you wouldn't of taken it away. But considering around 20% of America even votes, it doesn't matter anyways I guess. So please bathe in your ignorance and have a wonderful day sir.
@NatashaBeauty Not rights necessarily, but have you seen the luxury taxes that occur? Or the social stigma with females? It's nuts and berries and the ignorance around it is kind of disgusting
@bat0209 You really have no idea of how the women's vote has been used and abused by politicians over the decades to raise our taxes and to erode our Constitutional liberties. If it wasn't for the women's vote America probably wouldn't be the corrupt bankrupt laughing stock that it's become today. You really don't think that the politicians who gave women the vote back in 1919 cared about women or were trying to do the right thing, do you? You have a lot to learn yet...
Did you know that in 31 out of the 50 states in America, if a woman is raped, gets pregnant, and decides to keep the child, the rapist can sue for custody rights? Fuck yeah we still need feminism.
Do you know that in USA law don't event recognize men being raped and if a man get raped by a man and get pregnant, men are forced to pay child support to the rest of their life to their rapist event if she get to prison and some men pay child support to kids that aren't even theirs because that woman told the court is the father. And also men don't have anything to say when it comes to abortion, a women can decide if she want to become a mother or not a man is forced to do it or need to pay for the rest of his life.
Women win over 90% of child custody rights, she would get the child guaranted if he would go to prison so it dosen't make any difference that law didn't interdict the father.
@RazorX and he blatantly ignores what I clearly said and then brings up shit that has nothing to do with anything, much less so with the original post.
@RazorX I'm just saying my reason why feminism is still needed. I didn't say modern feminism anywhere, I can't help it that dumbasses jump to conclusions. I don't watch a lot of movies in general. They bore me.
If you want to fight for equality you should know first problem of both men and women and then try to make as good as possible for both of them, that is why i recommended that movie. What are you doing is not equality is entitlement and ignorance and sadly that is the problem with most feminists today, i support equality but i call myself egalitarian instead.
@RazorX I am not wasting my time watching a movie. How the fuck is it entitlement for a woman to not want her rapist to get custody of her child, she received as a result of being raped?
A rapist don't get the custody of the child, in 31 out of 50 states it's not outlawed for the rapist to ask for the custody but that don't mean he will get it, how in the earth do you think the rapist will do with the child if he is in prison especially when courts favors women already , and if you don't want to hear about other problems but you want others to hear about yours you are entitled. Do not respond to this comment if you don't event care to learn about men problems and then ignorantly say that you fight for equality.
@RazorX I don't want to talk to you. I never wanted to talk to you. I listed one reason for a reason. And yet despite the look on my face to what I am telling you, you're still talking. I listed one thing for a reason. The fact that it's still legal is what's disgusting. And there are jusges that are idiots. If you don't know that, then you need to pay attention.
I didn't called you entitled for the fact that you want a rapist to be unable to get custody of the childs, i agree with you with that matter, i called you because your second when you think that women are poor victims and men are privileged and don't suffer from anything witch is completely false , women has lots of advantages over men. Men have advantages over women too but you seen to care only about those.
"And cue the men saying they have it worse" you ironically said that women have much worse than men and men have it all great. Feminist like you are the reason why i don't call myself a feminist and i disrespect that ideology, you want equality but you don't even put a minimal effort to know the truth and then attack other people with ignorance thinking they are the one who are good. I don't necessarily talk about you on that one but most feminist i met were that way.
@RazorX just a way of saying that it's not a competition. You completely disregarded my original comment and said, "but men have to ________ and men have to _______" That was a mockery towards you not men in general.
At my first comment i was trying to say that women don't have it worse than men, i know men have it better in some places and women in others. Do you think if a women raped a man and get pregnant is fair for a man to pay the child support and who do you think should keep the child because if it was the opposite woman would keep it.
Lol, so whose opinions you care about? The "discriminated" 17 year old girls who "would like to make as much money as a man does and not be denied a job simply for having a vagina" who never actually looked for a job in the first place and thus have no idea or authority to rant about the things they are ranting about?
What more do you want? Women have equal rights in the western world. Anymore "equality" and it turns into female superiority. 3rd wave feminism is not needed and is a waste of time and effort.
How ignorant do you have to be to say something like this while women have their constitutional rights to their own bodies taken away (abortion) and have been dealing with terrorism directed at these rights ever since they got them?
Dude. Time to mature your opinion. There's no excuse not to acknowledge these things anymore.
You need to "mature your opinion" actually educate your opinion and stop listening to feminist rhetoric. "There's no excuse not to acknowledge these things" are BULLSHIT "anymore."
@Marinite why should i aknowledge 3rd wave feminism. I had a woman about to argue with me awhile back but i said the exact same thing about feminism and she backed down. You know im correct about 3rd wave feminism being useless and as toxic as zionism and nazism. Its creating an unnecessary divide between men and women that is completely irrational. I also dont agree with MGTOW. Thats the male equivalent to 3rd wave feminism.
Tell me one thing that 3rd wave feminism has done that is positive to all people? Not just the unwanted women who hop the bandwagon due to their hatred to men because we put you in your place 😂😂😂
@LogicBomber Right now the only choice I see is your ignorance. Sit down and shut up if you don't want to help women. We'll do twice as much work on your behalf.
@Marinite hahahahhah hahahahaa typical feminist. Learn about your own idology before talking. You are definitely an unwanted girl just trying to get back at the men who humiliated you😂
@Marinite Facts aren't ignorance. Nowhere did I say I didn't want to help women. I help PEOPLE with actual ISSUES. Not fake boogeyman syndrome. Your aggression is expected and typical. (if you haven't blocked me expectedly already)
@LogicBomber So you want to help women, you just refuse to help women with the problems they ask for help with. I believe that is called "Hypocrititis", since we're making up smart sounding phrases now. You blatantly don't care about women, so talking to you is a waste of my time. Feel free to continue... stalking my comments though? I genuinely don't care enough to block you.
@fueledbythc Being a feminist is great. It means I don't have to treat your opinion like it's better than mine, especially when it's not. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder friend. I don't think I'm the one trying to get back at anyone here.
@LogicBomber Just because you're incapable of feeling shame doesn't mean there's nothing to be ashamed of. Nor do I want help from the type of person who reads Breitbart. I think I can help myself, thanks.
@Marinite Again your shaming tactics are pointless. You simply prove the feminist stereotype. You refuse facts, use petty shaming tactics, and expect people to believe your nonsense without sources while claiming the sources given to you are not valid because you don't like them.
@LogicBomber What is this, "Virtue Signaling" to you? If you don't want to be shamed, don't act in such a shameful way! God. You lot are so sensitive. Can't even criticize your behavior without the whole holier than thou speech.
Breitbart is better known as the Neo-Nazi's Calling Card to a lot of people. You're only kidding yourself and other people that already buy into this garbage by pretending not to know that. Yeah. It's just because I don't like it. Not because there are any legitimate grievances about that website. Sure. Whatever. Disingenuous punk.
@Marinite stop using Ad hominems There is no shame in facts my dear. You excusing your shaming tactics doesn't make them valid or less childish. It has nothing to do with "sensitivity", you just have nothing to fight with but school yard bullying tactics.
Wage gap has been proven bullshit for decades. Forbes and many other financial sources prove that women's choices are the ONLY factor in any tiny gap there is.
Rape culture is bullshit. Proven by crime stats from bureau of justice statistics (0.8/1000) including numbers for the 90% not coming forward bullshit
Abortion is legal in all western societies. I have you a like already.
Please give me 1 single "issue" faced by women in western society.
@LogicBomber Durr, any criticism of me is an ad hominen strawman begging the question what's the next fallacy on the list
Protip: If you have to name the fallacy you're committing the fallacy fallacy.
Buddy, you haven't even acknowledged the fact that Trump's administration is trying to restrict women's abortion rights. It's very clear to me that you want to speak, but don't want to listen. If I want to have my beliefs challenged, I can find someone less disingenuous to do that. You need to step up to the plate if you're actually interested in sitting me down to a date and some debate.
@Marinite you need to learn the difference between criticism and shaming tactics. I have no issue with criticism and actually welcome it because it opens rational conversation. You have done nothing but make petty jabs at me personally... you have yet to make any reference to the conversation.
Trump is an idiot and regardless of what he "tries" to do... the team of advisors which actually run the country won't let it happen. I suppose you believe Hitlery would have been a better candidate simply because she had a vagina?
@Marinite that fallacy you are referring to is actually called argument from fallacy or argumentum ad logicam. There is a couple other names for this fallacy but none of the names are "fallacy fallacy". Plus in this case he didn't really use argument from fallacy. He told you to stop using fallacies, and then he went on to debunk some of your points.
I can't speak for other men, but if you're ok with taking jobs that put your life at risk (IE Construction and demolition, Cargo lifting, or even front line in a combat zone) I say have at it, that's one way the 70 cent difference will be closed.
Meanwhile in america the penuchle of women power. You must be three times better then the women you want to date in order for them to be attracted to you. Also you must make more money then them in order to make them feel secure enough to be in a long term relationship with you. And if you don't meet their standards they label you a creep and rapist. denying and depriving you dating and social experience until you actually start to turn into a creep and or sexual predator. Because while humans are social creatures testosterone twist men arms and forces them to socialize with the opposite sex to their own demise.
that is the truth walk out side and see for yourself. look at how different the man must be and the ratio at which it happens. then get back to reality
99% of men ate more successful than their wives, but, I'm not sure if that's because women like men they can look up to and admire or because men like women they can look down upon and fell superior to.
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I just... don't like feminism. It's not what it was supposed to be.. I think
Wanting to be equal seem unreachable anyway
That's because people only want the good that the other gender seems to get. But to truly be equal we'll have to fully accept the good and the bad. People don't want to do that
@Scooby225 Yeah. I think the same. We aren't completely the same and I think our differences are special. We gotta work with that, find a compromise.
Thats a respectable view. I dont think we were made equal but i just think life should be given fairly
I think both genders excel just in different parts/things.
In Cuba there are more women doctors than male doctors! You can be equal, give the right sort of government.
I try to be progressive as fuck but this my take gave me a headache. Girls have it so good now and some of y'all aren't even satisfied. smh.
True.
@LovemesomeBumbleBee Cuck is actually conservative, but hey instead of having a rational conversation lets try to put others down due to fear of them being right.
But they're not right
@NatashaBeauty He doesn't know that
Anyone eith the common sense of an 8 year old would know that. Girls do have it a lot better than guys do.
With*
Girls have it so good now? Yet when girls get raped, people STILL sympathize with the rapist (s) and worry about his future, 'cause he was so successful in school, etc etc etc, until the point where he gets like 2 hours of probation and 5 minutes of community service. Or what about all the time when we're harassed in the streets, called names, grabbed and touched without consent? I've had male customers around the age of 50 try to brush up against me *while I'm fucking working*. One of my friends who's really fucking good at her job keeps getting undermined by customers, who want "a male to give them service" because "she probably doesn't know enough about what she's doing". So she has been forced to get the only other co-worker at her job, who's a man, to serve these customers. Despite the fact that she's been working there for years and he has only been there for a few months and often needs her help.
And what about the guy who drugged his SISTER until the point where she didn't even recognize him, and then raped her? Judge came to the conclusion that she willingly took her clothes off and fucked her own brother. Cause that makes sense. Despite the fact that she was higher than a kite and literally had no idea who her own brother even was. www.independent.co.uk/.../...ifornia-a7749691.html
SO don't even fucking tell me "girls have it so good now" when 1) you're not even a fucking girl and 2) we have to put up with y'alls bullshit every. single. fucking. day. And we're also supposed to just "laugh it off" or "take it with a grain of salt" or "not be so fucking triggered" because "boys will be boys" or some other fucking bullshit that justifies rape, catcalling, harassment and abuse.
@lumos Can't really speak for your experiences, sorry.
Completely off shot but have you seen a therapist? and i mean this in the nicest way possible.
You can't speak for any woman's experiences which is why you should stop claiming that "girls have it so good now".
@lumos
Well since you didn't answer my question i'll leave it at that.
Nah, I've had a girlfriend I have a sister and I have a mother so yes I can. Compared to me they've had pretty peachy lives; but why look at my personal experiences? Look at the media, look at how women can portray themselves, tits+ ass, look how, in porn, girls are now more widely accepted than ever before. The notion of a capitalistic girl was rejected back in the 40's but now, there is no such rejection.
I'm not joking, about any of this either; I want girls to be equal in every way possible but they have it much better than guys. Why? Because socially, dating wise, emotionally they are able to do things guys can't or won't have happen to them. I'm speaking of course about dating, being the breadwinner, having emotional support and having a general view of themselves as being good or exceptional because everyone around compliments you. Then some girls turn it over on guy's because they focus on a few bad
instances in which some dick has been overly sexual. For some reason, you feel the need to make all men out to be this way. But you couldn't be further from the truth. Look at the way males are raised, they from a young age are not expected to show emotion, to show empathy but rather to be hard cold or distant in their manner. To be overly aggressive and to repress their feelings, to get a job young, to ask a woman out first, to join the military, to be the breadwinner and die overseas so you don't have to. Then you question why a few are assholes? there's your answer. Because a majority of the time they cannot talk about their thoughts, feelings or emotions; even if it's those exact feelings that run rampant and mutate into something bad like talking dirty or groping a girl you fail to see the forest for the trees. There's your answer if you were even looking for one.
You know three girls and think that that means you know all 3.5 billion of us? Lol using that logic I could say that I know my brother, father and boyfriend, and that means I know for a fact that you guys have literally nothing to complain about.
Won't even bother reading the rest if your argumentative skills are on such a low level.
@lumos Here's the problem. I understand you enjoy and get giddy about having an argument on here about civil rights but getting angry and irritated about it, acting dismissive and arrogant does nothing. In fact, it hurts your wishing to progress your cause because you can't help people see your side of the argument if you constantly swear them out; acting like people are constantly out to get you simply isn't true... no matter how much you nor I believe it.
Relax.
I am completely relaxed. But it's a fact that women all over the world have to put up with this sort of BS from men. I don't see why I can't swear because of it when it's something that affects me and everyone around me. Nor will I tolerate it when someone like you tries to speak for all women and claim you know what we go through because you happen to know 3 women personally. This is a forum where you're supposed to discuss and debate. If you can't handle getting called out on your poor debating skills, then don't post.
Neither are you helping the discussion progress by going out of line and asking a personal question about me going to therapy. Don't even pretend to care.
@lumos I am discussing it with you. I also am not asking you to tolerate it, you can think what you like. That's not a problem as I see it either way. Is it a problem for you?
Discussion and debate goes more like "Women don't get paid enough as men do"
"I disagree, and here's why, Women blah blah blah"
"Hmm interesting point, but what about etc."
"I can see why that'd be bothersome"
Not... "1) you're not even a fucking girl and 2) we have to put up with y'alls bullshit every. single. fucking. day. And we're also supposed to just "laugh it off" or "take it with a grain of salt" or "not be so fucking triggered" because "boys will be boys" or some other fucking bullshit that justifies rape, catcalling, harassment and abuse."
So it's not really a debate more like a listening session which is fine by me, we can keep chatting if you like.
But those things are true tho.
@lumos Sure they could be true but if you are too busy swearing or intentionally acting like everyone's opinion is pointless next to your own you cannot have a discussion.
I wouldn't be satisfied either if i was forced to have a life i never want
I'm sure nobody wants that, and yet here we are. @XOXOME16
Exactly. No one wants that. Which is why they're not satisfied. Duh.
No, not really. But think what you like.
Why does my colorful language bother you so much? My points still stand. And if it bothers you that I'm dismissing a portion of your answers, then maybe you should reconsider your approach on the subject. You knowing 3 women means jack shit, and does not give you a free pass to tell me what it's like to be a woman. That's just how it is.
@lumos It means that I won't take you seriously and you would have successfully wasted your time typing, which I think we can both agree on. I mean unless you like to swear people out in real life which would be hilarious.
I like swearing.
@lumos Nothing wrong with it, i like it as well. But when you are trying to get your point across it makes you come off to the other side as arrogant... and that hurts your argument. Don't you see? I'm not even challenging what you say. People, who do challenge what you say most likely would be thinking what i said above and act like a total asshole because of it; i would imagine it gets pretty combative in arguments between you and others.
It doesn't really matter what I say and how I say it, men rarely take what I have to say seriously anyways so why filter.
@lumos I doubt it that they don't get what you are saying in some regard. You'd be surprised at how much words have an effect on people... especially when they are meant well.
@lumos Though I will admit online interaction lacks face to face as it's only letters... pretty easy to dissociate or misinterpret others.
Subtle manipulation has a much longer lasting effect, even if someone swears you out there will be some inclination to feel something about their conversation with you. Most of the time they will feel repulsed by their actions subconsciously and that will affect them later. The difficulty though is dealing with that anger of others... and making sure it doesn't transfer to you.
Yes women have some disadvantages, everyone does. But whining about it and acting like an 8 year old on the internet is just immature and does not help anyone
Thats the point of a protest, dumbass. Are you dumb
get back to the kitchen
Spnsfi, I love you
@Theearthisflat :)
@Theearthisflat aww look at you. You're so special because, ya know, you love a person's sexist joke and you're a "woman". Wow. Cute. Maybe you should audition to be a snowflake or something
will u chill out already, it was just a joke
Obviously it was a joke which is why i didn't reply to it bc i already knew. Was i talking to you? Did i @ you? No? Ok then
who lit your tampon fuse lol
Sure as hell not you with your weak*ss replies
There's obviously lots of misogynism in the world. But do you really think that most of the people who oppose "feminism" actually disagree with most of what you said?
Feminism has become a game of motte and bailey. Pigeon holing opponents doesn't help anyone.
Pigeon holing is the first step toward hate and discrimination.
Yeah i do believe they disagree because everyone just did
That's a fair point. And I agree with your cause. But please be careful defining yourself by that which you disagree with.
The best advice I can give (for whatever it's worth) is:
If you are reading it, than it is for you."
I have to say I typically avoid these feminism hate posts such as this one. You can continue you feminist march towards full Marxism until you finally achieve full scorched earth of relationships, families, rights, and quality of life. Sweden is an almost fully developed example of this and it is headed for full collapse. Your feminist fallacy is totalitarianism in the end and you will serve your ulterior masters. And NO I didn’t bother reading this crapola-
I bet because you even sound clueless. Its not a nationalist movement. Its a world influence.
I never said specifically that it is a “nationalist movement”, show me the words, you can’t. I cited an example, that’s all, of a pocket of your disease.
Did i say you said that though? No i was making a statement. If you can't handle a statement without pissing yourself then stfu
Now let’s not have a nasty temper tantrum, try to demonstrate some maturity here. It sure seemed as if you did-such an unrelated passing comment to what I posted.
1. IT's illegal to pay someone less or not employ someone because of gender. Women earn less overall because they work less and do lower paid jobs on average
2. No one thinks it's ok to grope people, it's illegal. If you see it report it, if not, shut up/
3. Men can't show shoulders either
4. Yeah, other countries need feminism but the movement doesn't address that because they want to defend islam so it's not relevent.
5. The prime ministers of the UK and Germany are currently female, and a leader. Religions are fucked but again, feminism defends islam all the time
6. Name one right women dont have that men do
"You Think We Don't Need Feminism Anymore? Have I Got the Rant For You..."
" Feminism... Rant For You..."
"Rant"
No thank you.
Then dont click on it. The f*ck?
But I did.
So click off then
Nope.
I feel feminism is good to a point,
Trying to equal pay between genders? Good.
Trying to make men any less than women
Bad
I think men and women should be equal but some feminists just take it too far
I agree
Yeah and whoever disliked this comment fuck you sexist assholes!
Feminism has a bad reputation.. I agree women still have a ways to go for equality around the world but more so in Muslim countries. Unfortunately the first thing I think of when I hear the word feminism is pro abortion which I will never support so I can say I don't support feminism but I do support equality
It would be nice if feminism was no longer needed.
Let's hope.
I dont know really there are thinks that still need to be talked about like equal punishment among other things. But a lot of stuff will equalise over time. Do we need feminism NO. We need a movement called equalism or whatever to reach that point. Time is key. feminism won't solve much at this point. we need ssomething else
Huh?
You do know feminism means equality
And that masculinism (yes it's a thing) also mean she equality
So maybe it's not being Practiced by those claiming to be feminists in your life. But
Feminism=Equality=Masculinism
Works well doesn't it?
@bat0209 the word feminism has been tainted so badly...
Back in 1919 we gave women the right to vote (big mistake} and now in 2017 this is the thanks we get.
Ikr?
@NatashaBeauty to be fair-all politicians are crooks
Thanks? What thanks? You took away one of our "inalienable rights" which you males wrote yourselves and you think you should get a cookie for being decent. We wouldn't have to of been given the right to vote if you wouldn't of taken it away. But considering around 20% of America even votes, it doesn't matter anyways I guess. So please bathe in your ignorance and have a wonderful day sir.
@bat0209 women will be okay. What other rights do y'all need? Like damn, be grateful for something.
@NatashaBeauty Not rights necessarily, but have you seen the luxury taxes that occur? Or the social stigma with females? It's nuts and berries and the ignorance around it is kind of disgusting
@bat0209 You really have no idea of how the women's vote has been used and abused by politicians over the decades to raise our taxes and to erode our Constitutional liberties. If it wasn't for the women's vote America probably wouldn't be the corrupt bankrupt laughing stock that it's become today. You really don't think that the politicians who gave women the vote back in 1919 cared about women or were trying to do the right thing, do you? You have a lot to learn yet...
@bat0209 women get better treatment in this world than men do. Shut up and show some gratitude. Damn
@bat0209 everyone has to pay some sort of tax on something. Chill...
@NatashaBeauty it depends on a few variables
Did you know that in 31 out of the 50 states in America, if a woman is raped, gets pregnant, and decides to keep the child, the rapist can sue for custody rights? Fuck yeah we still need feminism.
Do you know that in USA law don't event recognize men being raped and if a man get raped by a man and get pregnant, men are forced to pay child support to the rest of their life to their rapist event if she get to prison and some men pay child support to kids that aren't even theirs because that woman told the court is the father. And also men don't have anything to say when it comes to abortion, a women can decide if she want to become a mother or not a man is forced to do it or need to pay for the rest of his life.
@RazorX And cue the men saying they have it worse.
You should watch The Red pill movie to understand men side too or you are just a feminazi that isn't even interested in equallity.
Women win over 90% of child custody rights, she would get the child guaranted if he would go to prison so it dosen't make any difference that law didn't interdict the father.
@RazorX and he blatantly ignores what I clearly said and then brings up shit that has nothing to do with anything, much less so with the original post.
If you watched the movie you will know it's about modern feminism witch the post is about, you look very ignorant with your responses.
@RazorX I'm just saying my reason why feminism is still needed. I didn't say modern feminism anywhere, I can't help it that dumbasses jump to conclusions. I don't watch a lot of movies in general. They bore me.
If you want to fight for equality you should know first problem of both men and women and then try to make as good as possible for both of them, that is why i recommended that movie. What are you doing is not equality is entitlement and ignorance and sadly that is the problem with most feminists today, i support equality but i call myself egalitarian instead.
@RazorX I am not wasting my time watching a movie. How the fuck is it entitlement for a woman to not want her rapist to get custody of her child, she received as a result of being raped?
A rapist don't get the custody of the child, in 31 out of 50 states it's not outlawed for the rapist to ask for the custody but that don't mean he will get it, how in the earth do you think the rapist will do with the child if he is in prison especially when courts favors women already , and if you don't want to hear about other problems but you want others to hear about yours you are entitled. Do not respond to this comment if you don't event care to learn about men problems and then ignorantly say that you fight for equality.
@RazorX I don't want to talk to you. I never wanted to talk to you. I listed one reason for a reason. And yet despite the look on my face to what I am telling you, you're still talking. I listed one thing for a reason. The fact that it's still legal is what's disgusting. And there are jusges that are idiots. If you don't know that, then you need to pay attention.
I didn't called you entitled for the fact that you want a rapist to be unable to get custody of the childs, i agree with you with that matter, i called you because your second when you think that women are poor victims and men are privileged and don't suffer from anything witch is completely false , women has lots of advantages over men. Men have advantages over women too but you seen to care only about those.
@RazorX where the hell did you get that? I should get you a trampoline since you love jumping to conclusions.
"And cue the men saying they have it worse" you ironically said that women have much worse than men and men have it all great. Feminist like you are the reason why i don't call myself a feminist and i disrespect that ideology, you want equality but you don't even put a minimal effort to know the truth and then attack other people with ignorance thinking they are the one who are good. I don't necessarily talk about you on that one but most feminist i met were that way.
@RazorX just a way of saying that it's not a competition. You completely disregarded my original comment and said, "but men have to ________ and men have to _______" That was a mockery towards you not men in general.
At my first comment i was trying to say that women don't have it worse than men, i know men have it better in some places and women in others. Do you think if a women raped a man and get pregnant is fair for a man to pay the child support and who do you think should keep the child because if it was the opposite woman would keep it.
@RazorX obviously not the rapist. Give it to the father if he wants it or put it in foster care.
Yes but in 50 out of 50 states there is no law that say that.
Yes, feminism is still needed all around the world. Anyone who thinks that it's not needed is beyond me.
The wage gap is a lie lol the fact that you believe that bullshit was reason enough not to read the rest of this crap.
"I need it because i would like to make as much money as a man does and not be denied a job simply for having a vagina"
Aaand that is where I stopped reading because I can't expect anything but fallacies, autistic screeching and made up non-issues to come after.
As if i care about the opinions of an almost 30 year old man who talks like he's been on ifunny too long arguing with 13 year olds.
Lol, so whose opinions you care about?
The "discriminated" 17 year old girls who "would like to make as much money as a man does and not be denied a job simply for having a vagina" who never actually looked for a job in the first place and thus have no idea or authority to rant about the things they are ranting about?
What more do you want? Women have equal rights in the western world. Anymore "equality" and it turns into female superiority. 3rd wave feminism is not needed and is a waste of time and effort.
How ignorant do you have to be to say something like this while women have their constitutional rights to their own bodies taken away (abortion) and have been dealing with terrorism directed at these rights ever since they got them?
Dude. Time to mature your opinion. There's no excuse not to acknowledge these things anymore.
@Marinite Abortion is the choice of a female in almost all of western culture.
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You need to "mature your opinion" actually educate your opinion and stop listening to feminist rhetoric. "There's no excuse not to acknowledge these things" are BULLSHIT "anymore."
@Marinite why should i aknowledge 3rd wave feminism. I had a woman about to argue with me awhile back but i said the exact same thing about feminism and she backed down. You know im correct about 3rd wave feminism being useless and as toxic as zionism and nazism. Its creating an unnecessary divide between men and women that is completely irrational. I also dont agree with MGTOW. Thats the male equivalent to 3rd wave feminism.
Tell me one thing that 3rd wave feminism has done that is positive to all people? Not just the unwanted women who hop the bandwagon due to their hatred to men because we put you in your place 😂😂😂
@LogicBomber Right now the only choice I see is your ignorance. Sit down and shut up if you don't want to help women. We'll do twice as much work on your behalf.
@Marinite hahahahhah hahahahaa typical feminist. Learn about your own idology before talking. You are definitely an unwanted girl just trying to get back at the men who humiliated you😂
@Marinite Facts aren't ignorance. Nowhere did I say I didn't want to help women. I help PEOPLE with actual ISSUES. Not fake boogeyman syndrome.
Your aggression is expected and typical. (if you haven't blocked me expectedly already)
@fueledbythc If
@LogicBomber So you want to help women, you just refuse to help women with the problems they ask for help with. I believe that is called "Hypocrititis", since we're making up smart sounding phrases now. You blatantly don't care about women, so talking to you is a waste of my time. Feel free to continue... stalking my comments though? I genuinely don't care enough to block you.
@fueledbythc Being a feminist is great. It means I don't have to treat your opinion like it's better than mine, especially when it's not. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder friend. I don't think I'm the one trying to get back at anyone here.
@Marinite I can't help with problems that don't exist.
Your content need attempt at shaming me instead of proving me wrong doesn't help your claims.
@LogicBomber Just because you're incapable of feeling shame doesn't mean there's nothing to be ashamed of. Nor do I want help from the type of person who reads Breitbart. I think I can help myself, thanks.
@Marinite Again your shaming tactics are pointless. You simply prove the feminist stereotype. You refuse facts, use petty shaming tactics, and expect people to believe your nonsense without sources while claiming the sources given to you are not valid because you don't like them.
@LogicBomber What is this, "Virtue Signaling" to you? If you don't want to be shamed, don't act in such a shameful way! God. You lot are so sensitive. Can't even criticize your behavior without the whole holier than thou speech.
Breitbart is better known as the Neo-Nazi's Calling Card to a lot of people. You're only kidding yourself and other people that already buy into this garbage by pretending not to know that. Yeah. It's just because I don't like it. Not because there are any legitimate grievances about that website. Sure. Whatever. Disingenuous punk.
@Marinite stop using Ad hominems
There is no shame in facts my dear. You excusing your shaming tactics doesn't make them valid or less childish.
It has nothing to do with "sensitivity", you just have nothing to fight with but school yard bullying tactics.
Wage gap has been proven bullshit for decades. Forbes and many other financial sources prove that women's choices are the ONLY factor in any tiny gap there is.
Rape culture is bullshit. Proven by crime stats from bureau of justice statistics (0.8/1000) including numbers for the 90% not coming forward bullshit
Abortion is legal in all western societies. I have you a like already.
Please give me 1 single "issue" faced by women in western society.
@LogicBomber Durr, any criticism of me is an ad hominen strawman begging the question what's the next fallacy on the list
Protip: If you have to name the fallacy you're committing the fallacy fallacy.
Buddy, you haven't even acknowledged the fact that Trump's administration is trying to restrict women's abortion rights. It's very clear to me that you want to speak, but don't want to listen. If I want to have my beliefs challenged, I can find someone less disingenuous to do that. You need to step up to the plate if you're actually interested in sitting me down to a date and some debate.
@Marinite you need to learn the difference between criticism and shaming tactics.
I have no issue with criticism and actually welcome it because it opens rational conversation.
You have done nothing but make petty jabs at me personally... you have yet to make any reference to the conversation.
Trump is an idiot and regardless of what he "tries" to do... the team of advisors which actually run the country won't let it happen.
I suppose you believe Hitlery would have been a better candidate simply because she had a vagina?
@Marinite that fallacy you are referring to is actually called argument from fallacy or argumentum ad logicam. There is a couple other names for this fallacy but none of the names are "fallacy fallacy".
Plus in this case he didn't really use argument from fallacy. He told you to stop using fallacies, and then he went on to debunk some of your points.
Let me rephrase it, it can be called "fallacy fallacy, but it isn't commonly know as it.
Im not even going to argue against this bc it was just weak.
I can't speak for other men, but if you're ok with taking jobs that put your life at risk (IE Construction and demolition, Cargo lifting, or even front line in a combat zone) I say have at it, that's one way the 70 cent difference will be closed.
Unfortunately they dont care about that unless the job says CEO. The stupid is strong with feminism.
I think we do need feminism, but it's also pretty common for people to make things into race & gender issues when it isn't really merited.
Meanwhile in america the penuchle of women power. You must be three times better then the women you want to date in order for them to be attracted to you. Also you must make more money then them in order to make them feel secure enough to be in a long term relationship with you. And if you don't meet their standards they label you a creep and rapist. denying and depriving you dating and social experience until you actually start to turn into a creep and or sexual predator. Because while humans are social creatures testosterone twist men arms and forces them to socialize with the opposite sex to their own demise.
Those are just your random assumptions though. So whats the truth
that is the truth walk out side and see for yourself. look at how different the man must be and the ratio at which it happens. then get back to reality
99% of men ate more successful than their wives, but, I'm not sure if that's because women like men they can look up to and admire or because men like women they can look down upon and fell superior to.
@Bezbozhnikustanka pretty much